[15:00] KDE SIG meeting start, who's present? [15:00] [Notify] scop went offline (irc.freenode.org). [15:00] hi [15:01] svahl: jeremy was asking for you.. :) [15:01] here I am :) [15:01] jeremy? Might as well make livecd talk topic item 1 [15:01] svahl: I mostly just wanted to say thanks for all your testing and prodding at the livecd tools [15:02] no problem. was me a pleasure :) [15:03] rdieter: and sure... I was mostly going to lurk and watch the discussion [15:03] a related topic posed from Board meeting this morning also was to focus solely on making KDE livecd (instead of a conventional KDE spin). [15:04] watcha think? [15:05] i haven't tried an installation with liveinst yet. two weeks ago I just recompiled liveinst against to see if it starts - it did. [15:06] IMHO, there should be at least one DVD-sized spin, whether a Live DVD or an installer-only DVD. For the Live CD, compromises have to be made on the package set, for example no development tools, possibly no Krusader, ... [15:06] Also only one locale. [15:07] jeremy, we had been wondering when/if LiveDVD's will be possible, do you know? [15:07] they'll definitely be possible [15:08] they work now, although there's a slight tweak you have to make to livecd-creator depending on how big what you're creating is [15:08] Keven_Kofler: maybe a liveDVD would be the way to go then? [15:09] Maybe. [15:09] * rdieter is undecided whether the extra stuff (like the mentioned development tools), is worth worrying about for a live disk. [15:10] Another thing to consider: Are upgrades possible from a Live CD/DVD or only fresh installs? [15:10] I really like to have some free space to let the local communities include their own languages (like discussed last week) [15:11] Kevin_Kofler: you mean using a liveCD to upgrade from FC6 -> F7? [15:11] Kevin_Kofler: you can't do an upgrade using what's on the live cd/dvd as what you're upgrading to [15:11] Right. [15:11] no. [15:12] That would be a good reason to make a non-live-CD version. [15:12] Kevin_Kofler: folks upgrading should be using Prime or Everything anyway. [15:12] (else they'll end up with partly unupgraded bits) [15:13] I think "Everything" is really the only thing which avoids that problem... [15:13] right. [15:13] See, f13/releng has been assuming all along we were going to be producing (at most) 1 spin/iso. [15:13] I've had my fair share of 2-stage upgrades: upgrade Core with Anaconda, then fire up Synaptic or whatever to clean up the mess and upgrade the rest. [15:14] I'd like to focus our energies... [15:15] that's all. [15:16] focussing on livecd takes a lot of other complexities out of the picture, like comps, for example. [15:17] well, think about it anyway. [15:17] bummer than isn't here, we're still blocking on him for packaging until things are merged. [15:18] any other topics folks want to discuss today? [15:21] What about the latest KDevelop? [15:21] Rawhide still only has 3.3.6... [15:21] But I guess that's something to ask Than about, too bad he's not here. :-( [15:21] Sure, we can ping than to update to 3.4 (that is the latest yes?) [15:22] I forget which version ended up getting reviewed (prolly 3.3.6) [15:22] not that it matters much. [15:22] Yes, 3.4.0 is the latest according to kde-apps.org. [15:24] jeremy: (if you're still listening), f13 and notting wanted to discuss comps issues, specifically, type=default items. [15:24] sometime, so we can add type=default items to kde-desktop group (or something equivalent) soon. [15:25] or should I just start doing it? [15:25] for kde-desktop, just do it [15:25] no qualms about items being listed in 2 places? kde-desktop + [15:26] some, but I'll just suck them up for the moment ;) [15:27] thanks, will do. [15:27] well, I guess that's all I've got for today. [15:28] I'll take a day or 2 off work sometime over the next week or 2, and start wrapping up a lot of our loose ends... [15:28] update/clean-up: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE [15:29] and work to identify remaining todo items, and assign these remaining tasks to folks. [15:30] anything else to discuss? (if not, I'll close the meeting in 60...) [15:31] 30... [15:32] meeting closed, thanks folks.