[16:02] notting (i=notting@redhat/notting) joined #fedora-board. [16:09] mdomsch (n=Matt_Dom@cpe-70-112-153-20.austin.res.rr.com) joined #fedora-board. [16:09] who is note-taking? [16:09] I can [16:09] who all is here? [16:09] seth, bill, paul, matt, chris [16:09] currently online: [16:09] f13 (i=jkeating@fedora/ender) joined #fedora-board. [16:09] seth and chris debate yum speedups [16:09] mdomsch, skvidal, notting, gregdek, jeremy, blizzard, stickster, rdieter [16:09] gdk joins [16:10] Action: f13 waves hi to the board [16:10] Action: mdomsch waves at f13 [16:10] Action: mmcgrath lurks in the background [16:11] chris - "yum is 2x as fast" would be a nice thing to say for FC7 [16:11] seth - I like testing on the OLPC system because it's got so little memory [16:11] it's easier to see what the problem is [16:11] gdk - fudcon [16:12] gdk - barcamp.org/FUDConBoston or something like taht [16:12] http://barcamp.org/FudconBoston2007 [16:13] gdk - venue, food in place, additional sponsorship? [16:13] drinks for the geeks? [16:13] hackfest saturday [16:13] say Rockstar or redbull sponsorship? [16:13] f13: if someone ponies up [16:13] Now yer talking [16:14] they do things like that for lan parties, this is just a lan party of a different variety [16:14] gdk to send invitations this week [16:14] notting - hotels? [16:14] Residence Inn++ [16:14] I stayed there for last FUDCon, nice and not pricey... on habor [16:14] *harbor [16:15] gdk - will ask paul stoffer & matt miller about hotels / logistics / events [16:16] red hat is sponsoring most of it, but additional sponsorship would be nice [16:17] f13: Know anybody at pogo who might be interested in helping? [16:17] vis-a-vis a bit o' groundwork [16:17] stickster: meh, I can ask, but I'm not hopeful. They've gone a bit downhill in the realm of community involvement. [16:17] what would they "get" out of it? [16:18] Just heard your name come up on the phone :-) [16:18] open to everyone - if you need travel assistance, ask [16:18] heh [16:18] mdomsch: I could use a Charlie Ticket... [16:18] Action: f13 ducks [16:19] chris - should invite someone from mozilla doc project [16:19] friday - lots of presentations [16:19] need to get some presentations written before then :-) [16:20] jeremy - evangelism [16:21] How to spin your own Fedora [16:21] (new topic) [16:21] Action: stickster was worried up until 30 sec ago whether anyone wanted him there all weekend [16:21] Is good to be luvved [16:21] RH Eng Mgmt agrees on merging Core & Extras [16:22] chris - today's his birthday! [16:22] and this is his present [16:22] my bday present! [16:22] woo! [16:22] It's my sister's birthday too... whoa [16:22] hehe [16:23] It's your burfday... Go Blizzard... it's your burfday [16:23] Action: notting wonders if blizzard is joining him on the wrong side of 30 [16:23] 33 [16:23] woo! i'm less old! [16:23] haha [16:23] old farts [16:23] <-- old [16:23] *#$&! I'm more old. [16:23] So young... [16:24] jeremy - it may make sense to add another RH person (from RH Eng) to the Board after this [16:25] to represent RHEL's interests in Fedora [16:25] Board would vote [16:28] topic - Bill's note to F-A-B [16:28] Is there suggested wiki space to start fleshing out details regarding the deliverables that Bill posted to FAB list? I'd like to get wiki pages going for defining the desktop/server spins, etc... [16:28] hmm [16:28] chris - jesse needs minions [16:28] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC7Future ? [16:29] or just F7 [16:29] F7Features [16:29] +1 [16:29] +1 to which? (: [16:29] F7Features [16:29] f13 should just be accountable for the build system stuff [16:29] mdomsch: community folks can be minions. Just unpaid ones (: [16:29] karma [16:30] mdomsch: I don't mind the other things, accountable != do all the work. [16:30] just making sure the work gets done. [16:30] chris - can't have Dan for full-time boot speedup time improvements [16:30] jeremy - we need someone for wireless and NetworkManager stuff [16:30] or wireless [16:32] banter... [16:33] all - Send suggestions, corrections, improvements to list thread; beat this about the head and shoulders and then put on wiki [16:34] Action: stickster thinks he needs to redouble efforts to get packaging up to shape for F7 [16:34] sorry, s/packaging/Docs packaging/ [16:34] who wants to be the "F7 Status Person" - e.g. Program Manager [16:35] notting - not exactly volunteering [16:35] notting volunteers [16:35] notting was trapped under something heavy [16:35] if nobody else wants to,s ince I own most of them anyway.... [16:35] chris - should have a PM pumpkin [16:35] pass it around [16:35] I volunteer as well. [16:37] f13 - thanks, but you can be the release manager [16:37] but you'd be overloaded being the PM pumpkin [16:38] Various - Is it a problem with mostly RH people being on the chopping blocks? [16:38] greg - not as long as we keep things transparent. [16:38] jeremy - LiveCD [16:39] stickster: nothing more motivating than a paycheck. [16:39] f13: +2 [16:39] hard to hound community people's managers. [16:40] ...silence... [16:40] skvidal - documentation [16:41] *about RPM in particular [16:41] oldrpm.org [16:42] skvidal adding a link from rpm.org to oldrpm.org [16:42] hrm. [16:42] content blurb on top of oldrpm.org isn't exactly friendly [16:43] f13: no, its not. Its not exactly true either. [16:44] chris - 2500 SRPMS in extras [16:44] notting - 1000 SRPMS in Core [16:45] chris - debian has 6800 [16:45] chris - not a small feat [16:45] Action: mmcgrath notes if numbers mattered we'd just run out to cpan... [16:45] jeremy looks up number of package owners [16:45] metrics suck. [16:46] using metrics to try and say "We're better than you" sucks even more. [16:46] jeremy - 237 package owners in extras [16:46] ~50 are from RH [16:46] roughly [16:46] plus those with packages in Core but don't have anything in extras [16:47] pushes it over 250 [16:47] skvidal - put a "contributors... and counting" chart [16:48] on the front page [16:48] skvidal - get data from account system [16:48] mmcgrath owns metrics... people are nominating him [16:49] mmcgrath, you want to own keeping the stats? [16:49] I'll take it. [16:49] mmcgrath: You are a scholar and a gentleman [16:49] Yeah, I'm actually working on a hardware reporter right now. [16:49] mmcgrath: ahh, talk to me goose [16:51] I've been doing metrics via cacti for the most part, if anything else needs to be monitored let me know and I'll get something implemented. [16:51] seth - wants to keep evangelizing "free" vs "functional" [16:52] gdk - codec buddy [16:52] Action: stickster sees a glorious future in a metabuddy framework for legal, politic, codec, *-buddy [16:53] my buddy and me? [16:53] *sigh* [16:53] chris, gdk - hardware data capture stuff [16:53] clue-buddy [16:53] rhn up2date client code can be a good start [16:54] used to run kudzu, now uses lshal [16:55] Action: mdomsch will send rhn-client-tools to mike [16:56] that will be most helpful with what I've been working on, danke. [16:56] meeting adjourned [16:56] And with that... [16:56] next meeting in January [16:56] Happy holidays, everyone! [16:57] Happy non-holidays to the athiests too [16:57] well in the UK sense of 'time off from work', they have holidays too, most likely [16:57] f13 :-) [17:00] Happy secular vacation [17:00] Action: stickster goes off to eat dinner before LUG meeting [17:00] Nick change: stickster -> stickster_afk [17:04] enjoy trading the office mates for relatives :) [17:04] heh