hello all hey who all's around? i'm there i'm there #startmeeting Meeting started Tue Jan 11 19:05:15 2011 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. * schendje is #rollcall phew er #topic roll call just got outta the shower so we have finalzone fabsh schendje lol fresh for the meeting yeah just back from a run too :) oh nice :) * gnokii lurking isn't showering mandatory for design meetings? :S lol my hair is dripping all over the place * fabsh makes a towel turban * Emichan (~Emichan@40.174-pool-cable-he.sccoast.net) has joined #fedora-design hey Emichan hi guys :) heyho okie let me dive into topics #topic Fedora 15 supplemental wallpaper submissions i think our publicizing it more last week worked as we've gotten more submissions and more interest arrgh still need to do that i had some folks message me on identi.ca & email me too to get help in submitting will blog about it this week and some already have theirs posted sounds good fabsh, excellent :) ianweller had an action item to advertise on deviant art too but he's not here today so ill email him for a status update on that #action mizmo to check in with ianweller on deviant art supplemental wallpaper status #action fabsh to blog advertise supplemental wallpaper submissions okay any other notes / questions on $topic? thanks for adding the action npp :) okay next topic #topic FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update so we had two action items for this • Emichan to correct date on T-shirt mockup for Tempe and hand off to Robyn for printers' estimate • Schendje/Emichan to blog final t-shirt design for Tempe in Fedora Design team blog Emichan, schendje - where we at? yep im working on it, it'll be out before the end of this week kk is the design team blog on planet fedora? Emichan: can you send me the final image? mizmo: hmmm not sure I've posted the final designs as svg and pdf on the list Emichan: or is it simply the latest one on the list? ah ok :) it doesn't look like it cool where is the blog at again? * rbergeron has the corrected tee shirt design and has a quote and is getting ready to pull the trigger on the order. i can add it, i had to add the board blog so i can just copy/paste the entry in my .planet #action mizmo to add design team blog to planet fedora rbergeron, yay! #info final fudcon tempe t-shirt design http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2011-January/003899.html #info robyn got a quote for the tee shirt order and is ready to order #info jef is working on the design team blog on the tshirt design looks absolutely fab fabsh, lemme look it up one sec * t2hot (~t2hot@82.128.58.50) has joined #fedora-design fabsh, http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/designteam/ #link Fedora Design team blog http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/designteam/ sorry, I'm late mizmo: thanks! it's all good t2hot * t2hot takes a seat not much on there yet LOL so basically we are in good shape for the fudcon tshirt, great job Emichan fabsh, yep hehe not *yet* okay i though maybe ianweller's tempe print guide would be a good next topic but he couldn' make it today maybe ill send an email to the list on it * kylebaker (~kylebaker@nat/redhat/x-kgzjvbrnqvgdrpnl) has left #fedora-design ("Leaving") * finalzone realized it has been months he blogged #action mizmo to send an email to the design team list re: ianweller's print design for tempe * schendje remembers ianweller also wanted to send a mail about the booklet lol i'll jump his gun and hopefully he can fill in the missing gaps er hm i think that might have been the wrong expression to use lol dont think about it too hard okay next topic * schendje wouldn't even notice #topic Fedora RPG i did a mockup! i posted it to the list but i dont think i got any comments :( maybe i should have blogged it sorry, i was busy. email is overflowing that one bloke gave a few comments, right? oh i got some feedback i think from kirk yep thats right i remember some of them being valid too ah, right, kirk :) mizmo, didn't you put it up on the image annotation thing as well? we've got to come up with a name for it ;) #link Mockup + comments on image annotation app http://jefvanschendel.nl/ImageAnnotation/index.php?i=Fedora_RPG_Startpage_Mockup_1 Emichan, yeppers it's so useful!!! Sorry, what's 'RPG'???? #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2011-January/003883.html RPG thumbnail sketches t2hot: Role Playing Game t2hot, there's a proposal to build an RPG for fedora to make it easier for new contributors to join fedora and to win prizes! hehe I thought so .... but that site looks serious. I mean its cool, ... t2hot, what do you mean serious? is the logo too serious? the overall design & coloring? serious as in it doesn't look like a game? if the seriousness isn't appropriate, what would you change? (this is exactly the type of feedback that's really useful, btw t2hot) No, the concept ... the spirit behind the site. the concept is serious? it has cute pandas that aint serious well it has a serious purpose i guess t2hot: "serious" as in, a really big effort, maybe? or "for real"? and hotdogs to make it easier to contribute i like big efforts :D schendje has it think big its not a joke ... maybe that should describe it better t2hot: it's sort-of official, not just a mockup floating around :) It will sell ... big time t2hot, ohhhh yeh it's not a joke t2hot, it's for a proposal spot is going to make at FUDcon later this month the winning proposal(s) will have developers working on them I see This one will definitely pull strings I like it Well art-wise, I haven't given it a critical look. So far, Its cool t2hot, well any feedback you have i think would be great and if anybody has other ideas please, please jump in :) i'll have a look at it i'd like to work on the widget thing when we get to that stage does anybody have any general ideas / questions on the RPG project? fabsh, that would be awesome oh There's already some good comments on the image, I'll also look over it and give feedback that reminds me i have to upload your widget mockup to the wiki fabsh #action mizmo to add fabsh's widget mockup to the RPG wiki page ha, yeah. was just a first try. quite dirty we need some other pages too i did pencil sketches on some ideas i had for other pages i think we need more pages too though the idea i had was to have detail pages for users detail pages for missions/quests some missions though are way more work than others so i added this idea of 'campaigns' we definitely need content people then people to write missions etc well the page you currently have mocked up is for a logged in user looking at their own character/account, right? if we want it to be self-sustaining, i think ideally members of each team within fedora would be writing up the missions once its up and running of course Emichan, close - a logged in user, on the 'start page' yeah cool i think their own account page would have a lot more details right, a kind of overview page about their panda/hotdog in particular exactly we should ping marketing at some point #idea maybe some kind of form field design to make it easier to write up a mission? but we should also have an overview page for people looking at other players characters which should probably emphasize different information. #idea ping marketing about rpg idea #idea overview for people looking at other characters/ pages yeh definitley like 'missions & campaigns you share with this person' maybe a friend system social! :) right - and more information about already completed missions and trophies, and less on missions they're about to complete in a few years time, there will be a movie about this "you know what's cooler than a million points? a BILLION points" lol #idea profiles of other users need more emphasis on already-completed missions & trophies, less on those that are almost completed yeh because from what a person has completed, you can get a good feel for what they like to do and where their skills & interests are we need a definite design for trophies right, plus people can show off what they've done! it's something to be proud of! :) like a style guide like they have for individual games on psn the ones from dragon age rock, visually otherwise they'll look all over the place fabsh++ RPG site is living * kylebaker (~kylebaker@nat/redhat/x-koyjwafvmzfzfrqo) has joined #fedora-design Can the site be customized ...themed #idea need a set of solid trophy designs add a question mark there please #idea trophy design style guide fabsh, that's a fantastic idea trophy HIG FTW! ;) t2hot, i thought about that, it's an interesting idea... depending on your character's color the coloring of the website changes to match like user pages on twitter or identica you can theme it within certain bounds maybe cool * cwickert (~chris@fedora/cwickert) has joined #fedora-design any other rpg ideas? mizmo, t2hot ++ okay we got two more topix although if anybody wants to work on rpg stuffs please let me know if it's a matter of not knowing where to start or what to work on im happy to write up some ideas that sounds good okay next topic i wanted to do is the anaconda design stuff put it on the wiki! :) #topic anaconda ux #action (mizmo to write up some open tasks on RPG wiki) so last week i worked on some mockups for the localization / location sections of anaconda #link start of anaconda UI localization discussion https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-December/msg00110.html btw, is there any reason you can't switch the language on the live cd ? fabsh, the live cd only fits english i think if the other translations were included it wouldn't fit that threw me when i tried to install it for my mother over xmas if we go to a live dvd format i think they would be added back ah. shame. sorry about that :( no worries we have i think 20+ languages they could at least include the language switcher app though trying to find what package to actually install to get a lang is a nightmare hmm it would be nice if the language switcher app was there, then you could pick a language and package kit would get hte files you needed i installed systemconfig-language or whatever its called fabsh, i think it's totally worth filing a bug on, do you want me to file it? yeah i will do it #action fabsh to file Ananconda bug on language switcher for live cd okie! oh i forgot the mockups lol i did it by hand and now my ma has fedora auf deutsch :) * t2hot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) #link mockups for anaconda location https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2011-January/msg00111.html i basically took notting's idea and made it into mocks * t2hot (~t2hot@82.128.58.50) has joined #fedora-design one thing that is tricky about the mocks is displaying the currently-set option but keeping a clean appearance while letting folks edit the options so if you page through the mocks you'll see there's on-hover buttons for the various fields eg https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/f/f3/Anaconda-location-4b-1.png <= there's one for "United States" if you click on it then an overlay dialog appears https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/d/d6/Anaconda-location-4b-2.png mizmo, is that for live media or dvd? so that's the general pattern here finalzone, it'd be for both although it may need some modifications for live media if it doesn't include all the langs i think we're supposed to be going to live dvd for f15 though i like the design mizmo: i'm liking the backdrop you know, I'm warming up to that wallpaper just a note, i did make these mockups before the wallpaper drama lol don't call it a drama things like that happen yeh to be frank, it was time to take a break from wallpapers design to focus elsewhere we'll sort it out and afterward we'll be stronger for it i mean if we focus on anaconda rather than wallpaper those anaconda changes will make a huge, huge difference for years the wallpaper only lasts 6 months.. finalzone, fabsh ++ I learn more with anaconda UX redesign finalzone, would you be interested in reviewing the location mockups for me? just walk through them and let me know if anything doesn't make sense or if you have any ideas / suggestions? mizmo, sure ok awesome :) #action finalzone to review anaconda location mockups https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Anaconda_Location#Mockups Can I look at those too? t2hot, absolutely that'd be quite helpful! #action t2hot to review anaconda location mockups any other ideas / questions on the anaconda ux project? honestly if there is anything at all that bugs you about the fedora install process now is the time to bring it up!! ehhh because we have a chance to fix it with this project the fact that i have to enter stuff after the install? can only think of ntp fabsh, the firstboot screens? i want to enter it all at the start yeah hm fabsh++ well the reason we have firstboot is for OEMs who ship pre-installed linux machines to customers who should fill out that info and i want it to start installing while i do that like the new ubuntu does but maybe a flag could be set caldera had that YEARS ago apparently * finalzone is also thinking about revamping the entire custom install layout (Pirut needs to die for good) +1 on setting a flag so by default it asks you the questions up front, but if you put a flag in the ks file it asks firstboot later for OEMs +a +1 +1 #idea ask firstboot questions in installer so users can finish all questions at once, have a flag in kickstart to use firstboot for OEMs sounds great it would be really hard to maintain as two separate code paths though im not sure the devel solution for that but ill talk to the anaconda peeps and see what they think awesome you rock! :) hmm, does flag bring political problem? #action mizmo to talk to anaconda folks about firstboot drop flag finalzone, oh it's a different kind of flag, the kind of flag i mean is just setting a variable in a kickstart text file finalzone, e.g., firstboot=1 or firstboot=0 lol the non-controversial kind of flag, thankfully oh ok will we have an open floor? well the next topic is the wallpaper then open floor but we might as well do open floor for both i just have a short question #topic open floor ok cool who will be at FOSDEM? ah you asked me this in identi.ca sorry i missed it! * mizmo won't be going :( did i? yeh oh :( * mizmo has cut back on travel bc of upcoming wedding fabsh: I'll be there :-) understand jsmith: ah cool. lets meet up fabsh: Absolutely! :) does anyone have any ideas/sketches for the F15 wallpaper? ok, i'll write an email to the list about it * t2hot is blank oh i'll be there too :) it's on my schedule for this week, but not done yet :) saturday, and maybe sunday i totally slacked on that after the discussion schendje: yay! t2hot: how's the mailer design thing going? no idea for F15 wallpapers at the moment... kk #action Emichan working on F15 wallpaper mockup schendje, inundated with tasks my dear ... haven't come around to it. Should be done before weekend I was thinking about a concept, but I have no design skills to save my life i'm the only one? :( jsmith, what concept? t2hot: no worries :) mizmo: Well, two concepts really.... * fabsh peaks ears * schendje looks funny at fabsh, but also peaks ears I feel you jsmith ... I might be in the same boat The first would be a dark round swimming pool with a person breaking the surface, but the pool looking kind of like an eyeball (for some reason, that sounds a lot creepier when I type it out) lol * zodbot has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) The other idea was a dark pool of water being sliced by a canoe... Anyhoo -- crazy ideas, but maybe it'll trigger an idea dark pool of water? you been reading stephen king? :D * finalzone has some orders to fulfil for clients. Seems using only FOSS tools do the job jsmith, the upcoming deadline is just for concepts, so you don't have to have a full, polished wallpaper, you can just sketch something out and present it. LooooooooooooooooooL when's the deadline again? Emichan: You've never seen me sketch! fabsh, jan 18th (our next meeting) #info deadline for wallpaper concepts is our next meeting Jan 18th jsmith, can't be that bad, surely? ;) ok one thing you do need for concepts is a link to the lovelock idea Ok, I have this idea of glowing particles/fire-flies forming flower petals on a blue backdrop i think a sentence or two stating the link will try to do a concept fabsh, yay! lovelock. hmmm. what was the idea there again? we had a bunch lol lemme see if i can dig 'em up t2hot, that sounds interesting, I'd like to see it :) i want steampunk hrm the wiki is down the lock would probably be interlocking gears for me ouch steampunk bomaye! wikifail? steampunk could be absolutely be linked to lovelock i've seen a lot of steampunk art with heavy metal locks Emichan, thats the problem ... moving from the head to paper yeah, exactly t2hot, sure, that's the hardest part! maybe loads of gears and a vault that slowly opens on a shiny bright blue light or something lol but if you have a textual description of a concept and can get someone else to give you a sketch that's sufficient to meet the deadline requirements I still like the idea of steampunk wings - I want to do at least one concept based on that cool then #info wallpaper concept submissions should include: (1) a short statement linking the concept to the theme 'lovelock' (2) at least once sketch (that can be made by a friend) depicting the concept * andreasn (~andreas@c83-248-192-174.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #fedora-design s/once/one Emichan: wings? steampunk wings...... cool Emichan: might try that mizmo did a couple of sketches I think back when we had our first (and only) "sketching session" I know mizmo found a bunch of steampunk/wing art on deviant art too as inspiration :) might look at my old magic the gathering cards, they had loads of steampunk #link ideas from our sketching session http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.2010-12-14-19.01.html found them :) cool will try have to take off soon * t2hot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * t2hot (~t2hot@82.128.58.50) has joined #fedora-design just before i leave, nothing to do with fedora but if anybody has interest in giving me feedback on an android app I am doing design for, I'd be much obliged http://wiki.sixgun.org/ponyexpress/ux will add more mockups soon and I could need some additional designer eyes. it's all free software of course fabsh, cool! I'll definitely take a look