[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:00:54] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-20".
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:01:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	So, who's present?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:01:28] <svahl>	present
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:01:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: Ping?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:02:36] <rdieter>	here (forgot the time switch).
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:03:06] <mefoster>	Hi, I'm new and I'd like to join the KDE sig ...
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:03:19] <svahl>	mefoster: welcome :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:04:00] <than>	present
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:04:45] <pembo13_com>	present
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:04:58] <pembo13_com>	just woke uo though
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:05:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: Are you going to chair the meeting?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:06:17] 	 * pembo13_com wonders why we're making references to Balmer
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:07:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	LOL
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:07:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	Let's start.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:07:46] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-20 - Preparations for KDE4: Initial Builds http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/KDE4".
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:08:35] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: how is the current kde4 state in rawhide?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:09:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	So we have upgraded the development platform and kdebase4 (upstream kdebase main package, a.k.a. kdebase-apps) to 3.96.0.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:09:23] <svahl>	than: it's still the "KDE4 Development Platform" (withouth conflicting files)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:09:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	Meanwhile Sebastian Vahl has been working on KDE 4 full desktop packages (KDE 4 as default and kdebase-workspace packaged) and on upgrading some other modules to the KDE 4 versions.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:09:43] Nickname	dwmw2_gone nennt sich jetzt dwmw2_BOS.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:10:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	But his work is not in Rawhide yet.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:10:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	You can find it at the link I just put into the topic.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:11:51] <rdieter>	sorry, i'm half occupied @ work, carry on with/without me. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:08] <than>	Kevin_Kofler:  are kdelibs3, kdebase3 already done?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:24] <than>	or someone's still working on it
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	According to the page, kdelibs3 is essentially done, but kdebase3 needs more work.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	This is what svahl has:
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/KDE4/SPECS/kdelibs3.spec
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/KDE4/SPECS/kdebase3.spec
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	But kdebase3 isn't working yet.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:12:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's more files which can/should be removed.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:02] <svahl>	kdebase3 is compiling atm. kdelibs3 seems to work (eg. koverartist ist working(
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	For kdelibs3, crystalsvg really has to be included.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	KDE 4 has no CrystalSVG.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	And KDE 3 apps need it (default/fallback theme, and KDE 4 themes don't work well with KDE 3).
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:50] <svahl>	Kevin_Kofler: crystalsvg is in kdeartwok(-icons)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:54] <than>	svahl: do you have a filelist which conflicts with kde4?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:13:58] <svahl>	but we have to verify if it's complete
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:14:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	And that it still works with KDE 3!
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:14:20] <rdieter>	svahl: crystalsvg was in kdelibs(3) last I checked. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:14:29] <svahl>	than: no actual one atm. This is on my todo list for tody
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:14:44] <Kevin_Kofler>	I don't think we should ship crystalsvg from kdeartwork4 even if it's there.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:00] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: we could try, at least.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	Sure.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:18] <svahl>	rdieter: in my version of kdelibs3 I've removed crystalsvg and use the ones from kdeartwork-icons (4). They're working but not complete (as I've seen so far)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:20] <rdieter>	afaik, not much in crystalsvg has changed.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:37] <rdieter>	svahl: not complete kde4-wise, you mean?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or no longer complete KDE3-wise?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	(because of renames)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:15:56] <svahl>	sry. kde3-wise. haven't checked kde4. Or I've maybe removed to many files :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:03] <rdieter>	yuck, crap.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	If it's no longer usable for KDE 3, then we really should ship the KDE 3 version instead.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or a union of both if we're brave.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:28] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: but that makes it unusable for kde4.  We have to choose.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:40] <pembo13_com>	Kevin_Kofler, thought a union was the original idea
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:41] <pembo13_com>	?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:16:55] <rdieter>	proposal: go with kde4 version, file bugs, (hope) upstream/kde fixes it.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:04] <svahl>	+1
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'm not sure upstream is willing to add compat-symlinks. :-(
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:20] <than>	i agree with rdieter
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:47] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: shrug, we can add missing things if we have to.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Yes, getting upstream to keep the theme in KDE 4 working with KDE 3 would be optimal.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:17:52] <svahl>	btw: Not really sure, but in my 30-seconds-test of koverartist (a kde3-app) sound was working if pulseaudio was started
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:19:18] <dgilmore>	rdieter: thats sane
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:19:38] 	 * svahl has just updated his kdelibs3 version (spec, srpm, rpms, rpmlint output - filelist is still uploading)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:20:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	We'll skip "Preparations of kdelibs3, kdebase3" from the agenda because we're already mostly discussing this right now, so if you have anything to discuss about those, do it now. :-)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:22:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	svahl: For the conflicts you're removing from kdelibs3, some are no longer conflicts.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:22:06] <svahl>	well. I'm not really sure (or have the knowledge) of what files are sane to remove and which one should be keeped. I'll need some help in this
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:22:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	The list of rm -f in kde*4 is outdated, some of the stuff isn't there to be removed in the first place.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:22:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	For example, kcmshell in KDE 4 is now kcmshell4.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:22:39] <svahl>	ok.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:23:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need to build the KDE 4 packages without the conflict removals and check which of the files are actually still there.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:23:12] <svahl>	i think, we'll have to re-check this more than once. :) especially the -devel bits
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:23:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then we remove the rm commands for everything which isn't there to conflict.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:23:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	And we fix kdelibs3/kdebase3 to include it.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:24:26] <rdieter>	slow, painful, but necessary work.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:24:42] 	 * rdieter would rather give himself a papercut, poor lemon juice on it. ;)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:24:45] <svahl>	that's what I've done with kdelibs4, kdebase4 and kdebase-runtime on sunday.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:24:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdebase3 has no list of conflicts at all yet.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:25:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	So, let's move on to the needed BRs?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:26:16] <pembo13_com>	i have nothing to add myself
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:26:34] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-20 - Needed but not yet included BuildRequires (eg. libzip, decibel)".
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	svahl has made a preliminary package for libzip, but wasn't sure of the licensing.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	I checked it and it's a standard 3-clause (no advertising clause) BSD license.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	Decibel isn't packaged at all yet.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:46] <rdieter>	who's available for quick, hard-hitting pkg reviews?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	It also depends on Tapioca-Qt.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:27:50] <svahl>	yes, sry for not replied to your mail. I'll change the license to BSD and submitt it for review
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:28:11] <rdieter>	svahl: if no one else does, I can review it, let me know whe it's ready.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:28:20] <svahl>	rdieter: ok
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:28:52] <rdieter>	so, Tapioca-Qt, Decibel, any takers to package, maintain these?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:29:10] <rdieter>	(I can take a stab at it, if needed)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:30:33] <svahl>	both seems to be early versions (Tapioca-Qt only has a subversion tree, last I've checked)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:31:03] <pembo13_com>	i'm trying to get to their site now to find out what it is, not loading
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:31:13] <pembo13_com>	http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:31:30] <svahl>	mhh. here too. Yesterday it was working
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:31:42] <rdieter>	http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/TapiocaQt ?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:31:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Is kdenetwork actually using Decibel already?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:32:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	I thought Decibel has been postponed to 4.1 because it's just not ready, and Kopete doesn't actually use it yet.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:32:16] <svahl>	Kevin_Kofler: kdenetwork checks for it through cmake
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:32:19] <rdieter>	I thought that too
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:32:46] <svahl>	but I've not tested to disable it at compile time
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:33:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	svahl: There's always a difference between "checks" and "uses". :-) So my question is: what uses it and how, if at all?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:33:11] <rdieter>	I'd say, go ahead do kdenetwork without decibel for now.  we can determinte if it's really needed/used later.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	The Decibel check has been removed Nov 11.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=735412
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:46] <rdieter>	there ya go, problem solved. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, actually not.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:50] <svahl>	:)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:34:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	But it's been made optional.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:35:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	And it says: "Used by the Kopete telepathy protocol."
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:35:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	Kopete should be functional without it with the old protocols.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:35:42] <rdieter>	ok, not a blocker though, we can do kdenetwork/Decibel work in parallel, enable support when/if decibel is ready.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:35:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Right.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:36:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	All the protocols from KDE 3 Kopete should still be there.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:36:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	Decibel is mostly a 4.1 feature AFAIK.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:37:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	If 3.96 still errors when Decibel is missing, we can backport that revision, which makes it optional.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:38:18] <rdieter>	or wait for next kde4 beta/rc/snapshot.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:38:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	Yeah, they're fairly fast at releasing these.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:38:55] <svahl>	the next one is planned for dec 5th. and it would be the last one
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:39:34] <rdieter>	hmm, pretty far away, if we have time, try to patch to make it work, otherwise, waiting works.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:39:58] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-20 - Planning of inclusion in Rawhide".
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	OK, next topic.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:08] <svahl>	another BR: tcptl: http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/tpctlhome.htm
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:17] <svahl>	mhh. tpctl
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:29] <svahl>	or maybe BR
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	BR of what?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:39] <svahl>	kdeutils
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:44] <rdieter>	svahl: that should be optional (I hope).
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:40:57] <svahl>	yes. it's optional.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:41:13] <svahl>	kdeutils is working also without it (I cannot use klaptopdaemon)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:41:44] <Kevin_Kofler>	Existing third-party package: http://dries.ulyssis.org/rpm/packages/tpctl/info.html
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:42:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	Looks ugly though (using %makeinstall), maybe less work redoing it.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:42:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	Also, there are .so.* files and no .so symlinks?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:42:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	I.e. where's the -devel package?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:42:55] <rdieter>	worry about that later.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:43:02] <svahl>	and also kdebindings is missing some optional packages (see spec file: http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/KDE4/SPECS/kdebindings.spec)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:43:04] <rdieter>	let's focus on the big stuff first.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:43:30] <Kevin_Kofler>	Big stuff like getting things into Rawhide? :-)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:43:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	So svahl has done all that work, but we need to get it in.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:43:58] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdebase-workspace needs a review.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:44:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	The other stuff can go in as updates / have already passed review.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	I thought PyKDE is supposed to be part of kdebindings in KDE 4.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	So this doesn't make sense to me:
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	# FIXME/TODO: Is PyKDE already ported to KDE4?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	#BuildRequires:  PyKDE-devel
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:34] <svahl>	mhh. maybe. It was late when I've done that (3am or so) :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:45:59] <svahl>	kdebindings is at a rough state atm
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:46:07] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: is there a separate PyKDE?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:46:24] <rdieter>	PyKDE(4) is/should be in kdebindings(4), afaik.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:46:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	In KDE 4 not anymore, we could make it a subpackage though.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:46:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	For qscintilla, we have a qscintilla package, but it's the Qt 3 version. :-(
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:47:16] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: I'll take care of qscintilla (minor problem, it doesn't cope well with co-installed qt3/qt4 versions, so we may have to pick *one*).
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:47:18] <than>	qscintilla isn't ported to Qt4 yet?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:47:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	qwt5 is already available though, see qwt-devel (that's a 5.0.x version and it uses Qt 4, so it should be the right one).
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:47:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	So that should be it for the missing BRs in kdebindings.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:48:13] <rdieter>	see also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249020
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:48:15] <buggbot>	Bug 249020: low, low, ---, Rex Dieter, ASSIGNED , qscintilla-2.x
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:49:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Now how do we handle inclusion into Rawhide?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:50:22] <svahl>	maybe a seperated cvs tree for the beginning (like we've done for kdelibs4)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:50:37] <than>	i don't see any problem to built it in rawhide
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:50:38] <rdieter>	Pick a window of a few days where everybody is readily available.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:50:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd like to have kdelibs (v4), kdebase-runtime, kdebase (v4), kdebase-workspace, kdelibs3 and kdebase3 in at the "same time" (as close together as possible) because of the conflicts.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:50:57] <rdieter>	Send out notice that rawhide kde-wise, may be unstable (similar to recent notice of X breakage)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:51:08] <rdieter>	Then, everybody hammer on it until done. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:51:22] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: +1
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:51:28] <than>	rdieter: +1 :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:51:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'm having my final diploma exam on Thursday 29, so I'll be a bit busy reviewing for it from now to then.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:52:12] <rdieter>	ok, let's wait until after that, will give us more time to get more of the details ahead of time.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:52:54] <rdieter>	Any 3-4 day window particularly good for everyone?  (svahl, Kevin_Kofler, than, me mostly, + anyone else who wants to help)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:53:00] <svahl>	well. we could submit it for review now (at least kdebase-workspace). it doesn't matter, when we actual review it
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:53:09] <rdieter>	svahl: +1, definitely
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:53:31] <rdieter>	as a matter of fact, we want it reviewed and ready *before* the big move.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:53:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	Anything in the first week in December should be OK for me.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:53:52] <rdieter>	Dec 3-7 then?  ok with me, anyone else?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:54:06] <rdieter>	or even Dec 1-7.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:54:15] <svahl>	it'll be ok for me
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:54:24] <rdieter>	than?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:54:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	Dec 1-7 would also be OK for me, but I'm not sure than will want to spend his weekend on this. ;-)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:55:17] <rdieter>	we all don't have to be available 100% of that time, a significant portion would suffice.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:55:45] <svahl>	oh. correction: Dec 2-7 for me
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:09] <than>	rdieter:  it should be ok for me
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then let's say December 2-7 is KDE 4 week in Rawhide. :-)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:37] <rdieter>	ok, mark your calendars Dec 1-7, rawhide/kde hosage, kde4 triumph.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:43] <svahl>	And I would prefer to submit _all_ packages for a review in bugzilla. Just to get it better organized
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:57] <rdieter>	svahl: ??
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:56:58] <mefoster>	Sounds exciting. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:57:00] <Kevin_Kofler>	Formal reviews just make it take longer.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:57:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	I say do only those we have to, handle the rest over IRC.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:57:25] <svahl>	mhh. ok. 
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:57:32] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: +1 definitely, if we want it done before kde-4.0 is released. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:01] Topic	Kevin_Kofler setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-20 - Information for Package Maintainers (BR: kdelibs -> kdelibs3, building packages for KDE4)".
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:03] <rdieter>	svahl: I understand your motivations, they're good, but that would just take too long
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need to send a message to fedora-devel-list about this.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	Probably even fedora-devel-announce, can we get through to that?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:45] <svahl>	that would be true, maybe :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:58:47] <rdieter>	yes.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [17:59:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	So who takes care of the announcement?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:00:07] <rdieter>	I volunteer to be the bearer of the news.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:00:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	Thanks.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:00:30] <rdieter>	It'll probably require a good deal of followup, explanations, etc... fun.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:00:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	We're out of time and we're through the agenda, so I suggest stopping here. :-)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:01:06] <rdieter>	we can heard everyone back to #fedora-kde to continue any further discussion.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:01:25] 	 * rdieter is a bad spellar today. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:01:52] 	 * spot is here
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:01:57] 	 * tibbs here
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:00] <pembo13_com>	who is spot?
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:02] <pembo13_com>	hmm
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:07] <pembo13_com>	guess we're getting kicked out
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:17] <rdieter>	pembo13_com: yes, next meeting. :)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	KDE SIG Meeting closed, if you have any further questions/discussions, go to #fedora-kde, time for FPC.
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:21] <spot>	Out! Out! (says damned spot)
[Di Nov 20 2007] [18:02:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	(Please, someone from FPC, set an appropriate topic. :-) )