[08:56] who's here? [08:57] me [08:57] howdy matt [08:57] Action: skvidal is here [09:00] on the phone -- max, seth, matt, paul [09:01] and bill nottingham is here too [09:01] bill enters the room [09:02] corbet (n=corbet@vc7-1-72.dsl.netrack.net) joined #fedora-board. [09:03] the press is here, quick everyone leave :-) [09:03] hi jon [09:03] Sigh. Maybe I need a new, anonymous nick...:) [09:04] so, i think we're about ready to get started given that we've got 5 people [09:05] we're starting with the simple stuff -- basically just checking to make sure that the folks who are here right now are going to be at FUDCon [09:05] everyone is planning on being there, but everyone also still needs to buy their tickets [09:05] max -- how goes the new world of RPM? [09:05] seth -- there was lots of good discussion on the lists (look at the archives) and then christmas happened [09:06] seth is planning on talking to nasrat and schroeder when they get back [09:07] max -- is the goal to have a RPM release before Fedora 7? [09:07] seth -- no goal has been set yet, but seems like it would be a reasonably smart thing to do [09:07] it's going to have to be planned [09:09] max -- talking about thl's desire to have a more open f-a-b list [09:09] paul -- along with the entire "mailing list reorganization" goal [09:10] mether (n=ask@fedora/mether) joined #fedora-board. [09:12] max -- we need someone to lead the whole process. perhaps thl? [09:12] Action: thl can do that [09:12] Action: thl is currently in the kitchen and mostly afk, sorry [09:13] thl: that would be fantastic. i can work with you from the red hat side to get all the changes actually made [09:13] seth -- what will happen to the old lists [09:13] max -- we'll just turn off new posts, keep archives forever [09:13] matt -- also can set up aliases to redirect posts to a new, correct place [09:16] max -- new ideas for Fedora board meetings [09:16] one week -- general meeting [09:17] next week -- specific meeting about 1 or two projects, with the leaders of those projects invited [09:18] max will get in touch with karsten and see if next week can focus on docs [09:19] rahul -- we made progress on the Art project over vacation, but Max needs to go back and follow up on it [09:19] Max will do that this week [09:19] we don't want to have to scramble for the artwork at the last minute [09:21] f13 (i=jkeating@nat/redhat/x-d4a6bd28b17deea7) joined #fedora-board. [09:22] basically max was trying to solve the problem a bit over vacation, and needs to keep working on it. need to make sure we can have leadership, but also make sure people know their contributions are valued [09:23] will there be some love for l10n? [09:25] max -- talking about his goal to try to figure out mass producing of LiveCD's + USB keys for giveaway and possible sales [09:26] rahul -- what about making just a USB stick that is bootable and also has storage? max needs to talk to davidz [09:26] paul -- anything solidified in terms of accomodations for FUDCon? [09:27] *general chatter about all of us trying to stay in the same hotel* [09:27] any quesitons/topics from IRC? [09:27] our agenda is kind of light due to vacation [09:28] Any suggested Wiki namespace to start fleshing out details of the next release? [09:28] wiki/Fedora7/* [09:28] for me particularly what would be the payload of things like the Desktop spin and the Server spin [09:29] f13: you mean how we decide what RPMs go into each? [09:29] or just what rpms. [09:30] "how" we decide is largely organic I think and hard to define. I'm just more interested in WHAT will go in. [09:31] f13: i would hope that maybe you would lead us in that -- a good chance to figure out what stuff in Core 6 is superfluous, and what stuff in Extras we want to pull in. Come up with 2 solid recipes, and let people review them? [09:31] dgilmore (n=dennis@fedora/dgilmore) joined #fedora-board. [09:31] rahul -- launchpad-like system for tracking progress for each F7 target item [09:32] mspevack: something like that. [09:32] seth -- yes, do this with the wiki [09:32] stickster: that requires a launchpad-like system. I"d rather just use the wiki [09:32] f13, seth: +1 [09:32] rahul -- what do folks think of putting every single package on media? [09:32] Some things will probably get a trac instance, like the buildsystem. Pungi already has one. Pilgrim might get one. [09:33] mspevack: not something I"d want to ask the mirrors to host [09:33] most people would like to keep Fedora's printed release to 1 DVD [09:33] they already host every single package, why do it twice? [09:33] f13: nod, i agree with you [09:34] matt -- creating images is easy [09:34] if someone like cheapbytes wants to produce them, why not? [09:34] http://joey.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/2006/12/28/q-what-should-end-user-graphics-in-fiesty-look-like-a-fedora/ [09:35] max -- we're already going to have 2 images for F7 that are official. i'd be concerned about people getting confused if we started making extra CDs [09:35] seth -- we need to make sure "additional spins" and non-official builds or livecds, etc are in a folder that mirror admins can easily exclude [09:35] skvidal: interesting. [09:36] mspevack: there is also some interesting legal issues with non-official builds. [09:36] mspevack: export approval, SRPM hosting, etc... [09:36] f13: are liable for that though? if someone else does the work? [09:37] f13: yeah, i actually have to follow up with our lawyers about some export control stuff they were talking to me about before xmas [09:37] mmcgrath: If the Fedora name goes on it, and we host it somewhere on our mirroring system, yes we may be liable for it. [09:38] having multiple spins of the distro poses some Legal questions we need cleared up. Do we need export approval for each different spin of the isos, or... [09:38] ah [09:39] matt -- we don't require export approval before we put a package into extras [09:39] paul -- is it just for crypto software? [09:39] matt -- no, but they only critique the stuff with encryption [09:39] mspevack: because those aren't spun into isos and "released" as a distribution. [09:40] either way, we should just keep legal in the loop and get some clarification from them given our new release practices [09:41] Action: mspevack will take this as a task [09:48] *current conversation is a re-hash of all the NTFS stuff, and the fact that we never *REALLY* settled the whole thing. NTFS 3g being the main question [09:48] rahul is going to drive this, with max helping him get in touch with legal folks as needed [09:49] Yeah, let's disconnect the NTFS-3g issue and the kernel module NTFS issue [09:49] Because OIN is involved with one and not the other [09:50] getting ready to adjourn -- starting with docs stuff and Karsten next week [09:51] rahul -- relicensing of content from opl with restrictions to opl is one of the topics [09:52] paul is in charge of the detailed docs part of next week's agenda