Aug 07 18:13:42 <svahl>	what is the status of kde4 packages?
Aug 07 18:14:22 -->	[splinux] (n=damien@fedora/splinux) hat #fedora-meeting betreten
Aug 07 18:15:06 <than>	svahl: ATM, kde4 packages still cannot be installed at the same time with kde3
Aug 07 18:16:12 <svahl>	thanks
Aug 07 18:17:04 <than>	svahl: there're still a lot works to do there
Aug 07 18:17:12 <Kevin_Kofler>	Than has done some small commits, but there's still work left to do. I don't know if Rex got any further on the module coverage front.
Aug 07 18:20:47 <Kevin_Kofler>	One issue I wanted to bring up is the kdegames3 trademark mess. (None of the affected games is in kdegames4, the trademark issues were probably part of the reason they're now unmaintained.)
Aug 07 18:20:51 <Kevin_Kofler>	http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248343
Aug 07 18:21:09 <Kevin_Kofler>	I have a patch which removes the Tron and Sokoban trademarks throughout.
Aug 07 18:21:35 <Kevin_Kofler>	I also checked the level copyright: the offending levels (ripped from the original game) are long gone from KSokoban.
Aug 07 18:21:43 <Kevin_Kofler>	The ones which are still there come from here:
Aug 07 18:21:47 <Kevin_Kofler>	http://users.bentonrea.com/~sasquatch/sokoban/
Aug 07 18:21:51 <Kevin_Kofler>	From the web page:
Aug 07 18:21:51 <Kevin_Kofler>	> These sets may be freely distributed provided they remain unchanged
Aug 07 18:21:51 <Kevin_Kofler>	> and credited with my name and email address.
Aug 07 18:22:19 <Kevin_Kofler>	So fixing AUTHORS to credit the levels properly and removing trademark abuse should be enough to clear KSokoban from any legal issues.
Aug 07 18:22:41 <Kevin_Kofler>	(even for RHEL, though I guess it's too late to get this into existing RHEL releases, right than?)
Aug 07 18:23:49 <Kevin_Kofler>	While the "unchanged" part is not really Free Software, it is acceptable for game content in Fedora.
Aug 07 18:24:19 <Kevin_Kofler>	There's an explicit exception for that in the guidelines.
Aug 07 18:25:12 <svahl>	sounds good
Aug 07 18:26:27 <Kevin_Kofler>	I'm going to double-check for any user-visible instances of the trademark I missed (there's "(sokoban)" in one of the translations of GenericName in ksokoban.desktop, I'll zap that in the next iteration).
Aug 07 18:28:29 <Kevin_Kofler>	I wonder if we have to fix transliterations we can't read too though (maybe safest to remove those translations entirely, unless somebody can decypher them?)
Aug 07 18:28:51 <Kevin_Kofler>	I did remove the Kanji for "Sokoban", that was the original name, so not hard to find.
Aug 07 18:32:17 <Kevin_Kofler>	I removed all the Latin and Cyrillic instances in any case (the Greek translation was using Latin letters for the trademarks).
Aug 07 18:32:19 <than>	i would rather to remove them
Aug 07 18:32:39 <Kevin_Kofler>	Remove what?
Aug 07 18:32:54 <Kevin_Kofler>	The entire games? I think this is really overkill.
Aug 07 18:33:11 <than>	Kevin_Kofler: remove the games which could cause the trademark issue
Aug 07 18:33:20 <than>	not the entire games
Aug 07 18:33:30 <Kevin_Kofler>	The Fedora licensing folks all agree we just need to fix the names.
Aug 07 18:33:54 <Kevin_Kofler>	See also Gnometris, which was reintroduced in Rawhide, renamed to gnome-falling-blocks.
Aug 07 18:39:35 <than>	Kevin_Kofler: does your attached patch already fix this issue?
Aug 07 18:40:36 <Kevin_Kofler>	Yes, but please give me a few hours to double-check that I didn't miss any instances.
Aug 07 18:41:17 <Kevin_Kofler>	Tomorrow, I'll definitely have a checked patch.
Aug 07 18:41:32 <than>	Kevin_Kofler: great, thanks
Aug 07 18:41:53 <Kevin_Kofler>	The legal folks said file names don't need to be renamed, but anything user-visible does.
Aug 07 18:42:07 <Kevin_Kofler>	And the source tarball doesn't have to be patched directly, applying a patch is enough.
Aug 07 18:42:29 <Kevin_Kofler>	It's "advertising" with a trademark (i.e. showing it to the user) which is the issue.
Aug 07 18:47:45 <than>	Kevin_Kofler: kdegames should be rebuild and pushed out for FC6/F7 update, when we have the patch,
Aug 07 18:48:03 <Kevin_Kofler>	Agreed.
Aug 07 18:51:16 <Kevin_Kofler>	Anything else to discuss? We have 9 minutes left.
Aug 07 18:51:44 <jwb>	is this the kde meeting?
Aug 07 18:51:44 <Kevin_Kofler>	Otherwise let's close the meeting and make room for the FPC folks.
Aug 07 18:51:49 <Kevin_Kofler>	Yes.
Aug 07 18:52:04 <jwb>	can i ask a quick "where's the kde4beta question"? :)
Aug 07 18:52:28 <Kevin_Kofler>	It's being worked on, but we don't really have anything ready for user consumption.
Aug 07 18:52:35 <jwb>	ok thanks
Aug 07 18:52:40 <jwb>	sorry for the interruption
Aug 07 18:53:09 <svahl>	just for the record: I've had a "working" kde4-livecd (with gdm as login manager). But atm I have to wait for kdebase to come back in kde-redhat-unstable repo
Aug 07 18:53:20 <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, we could get kdebase (and the libs it depends on: kdelibs, kdepimlibs) up built for /opt/kde4 (in fact I have them built from F7, but I'd rather not give the address out publicly because the server I'm hosting this on has limited bandwidth).
Aug 07 18:53:39 <svahl>	maybe ask Rex?
Aug 07 18:53:47 <Kevin_Kofler>	I think we should get this up at kde-redhat.
Aug 07 18:53:51 <svahl>	k
Aug 07 18:54:08 <Kevin_Kofler>	So yes, we need to bug Rex. He just prioritized working on F8 and beyond.
Aug 07 18:54:31 <Kevin_Kofler>	(which is understandable)
Aug 07 18:56:01 <Kevin_Kofler>	Hmmm, I guess I could upload the SRPMs and i386 RPMs (I don't have x86_64 RPMs because my CPU is only 32 bits and QEMU is way too slow to build KDE in it) to the kde-redhat SourceForge project. I can't upload to the kde-redhat repos though.
Aug 07 18:56:58 <Kevin_Kofler>	The problem with SourceForge is that there's no way to do a repo over their mirroring system.
Aug 07 18:57:14 <svahl>	that would be great :) (I would prefer /usr/ instead of /opt/kde4 but it is better than nothing)
Aug 07 18:58:08 <svahl>	( I just don't have the time/cpu power to rebuild the srpms)
Aug 07 18:58:17 <svahl>	and also for the record: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/F8Test1
Aug 07 18:59:00 <svahl>	I'm unsure where to link it
Aug 07 18:59:10 <Kevin_Kofler>	We're working on the /usr stuff, but that's really too experimental right now.
Aug 07 18:59:36 <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd not judge that ready for user consumption yet unfortunately.
Aug 07 18:59:49 <Kevin_Kofler>	I also don't have anything beyond kdebase built atm.
Aug 07 19:00:12 <svahl>	right. but this could probably be tested with the livecd?
Aug 07 19:00:44 <Kevin_Kofler>	The live CD won't even build if there are file conflicts. :-(
Aug 07 19:00:47 -->	racor (n=rc040203@HSI-KBW-082-212-056-027.hsi.kabelbw.de) hat #fedora-meeting betreten
Aug 07 19:01:00 <Kevin_Kofler>	So we'd need to fix the file conflicts in some way, then test that it still works.
Aug 07 19:01:18 <Kevin_Kofler>	We're out of time now, so I propose to close the meeting here.
Aug 07 19:01:39 -->	JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@p54B13752.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) hat #fedora-meeting betreten
Aug 07 19:01:42 <svahl>	sure. it would be kde4only (like the last rpms from rex)
Aug 07 19:01:56 <svahl>	ok. see you next week