Nov 25 17:04:12 Kevin_Kofler Time for the KDE SIG meeting, who's present? Nov 25 17:04:26 * jreznik is here Nov 25 17:04:28 * lvillani present Nov 25 17:04:41 svahl present Nov 25 17:05:41 than present Nov 25 17:06:00 Stalwart me too Nov 25 17:06:24 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - Agenda Nov 25 17:06:43 rdieter here (mostly) Nov 25 17:06:44 Kevin_Kofler Before we start: is there anything you want discussed? Nov 25 17:06:52 Kevin_Kofler The agenda is a bit empty today... Nov 25 17:06:54 SMParrish_Mobile sorru I'm late but I'm here Nov 25 17:06:56 Kevin_Kofler https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 Nov 25 17:07:21 Stalwart 4.2 progress? Nov 25 17:07:29 Kevin_Kofler I already added that one. :-) Nov 25 17:07:38 Stalwart o ok Nov 25 17:08:33 than enable webcollage in kdeartwork again Nov 25 17:09:11 Kevin_Kofler Added. Nov 25 17:09:17 Kevin_Kofler Let's start then. Nov 25 17:09:25 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - Fedora 10 released Nov 25 17:09:32 rdieter party! Nov 25 17:09:43 Kevin_Kofler OK, not much to discuss here, I think: Fedora 10 has been released! Nov 25 17:09:57 dgilmore rdieter: i could never find the SCM for knetworkmanager4 Nov 25 17:10:00 Stalwart \o/ Nov 25 17:10:08 ltinkl where's the champagne? Nov 25 17:10:09 SMParrish_Mobile yep the bits and beer are flowing Nov 25 17:10:13 Stalwart i have tea and cookies! Nov 25 17:10:14 dgilmore rdieter: i really want it fo F-11 Nov 25 17:10:34 dgilmore ltinkl: no time for champagne, F-11 needs worked on ;) Nov 25 17:10:36 jreznik ltinkl: I had one party hamburger Nov 25 17:10:44 rdieter dgilmore: nod, by then kde-4.2+ should have native nm plasma applet, but more the merrier Nov 25 17:11:01 * ltinkl goes to check the fridge Nov 25 17:11:09 Kevin_Kofler I think the systray version of KNM 4 got dropped in favor of the plasmoid. Nov 25 17:11:29 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: I'd prefer the systray way Nov 25 17:11:33 jreznik first mockup of this plasmoid was awful Nov 25 17:11:39 Kevin_Kofler The plasmoid can be put into the systray. Nov 25 17:11:43 Kevin_Kofler (in 4.2) Nov 25 17:11:46 ltinkl ah right Nov 25 17:11:47 jreznik ltinkl: it's not problem for plasmoid Nov 25 17:12:00 jreznik you can put it on desktop or panel Nov 25 17:12:12 jreznik you should check my desktop user guide :) Nov 25 17:12:13 Stalwart plasmoid is way to go if you want knm to be INTEGRATED Nov 25 17:12:25 Stalwart to poll network status from other applets for example Nov 25 17:12:32 Kevin_Kofler It's also what's being included into upstream KDE. Nov 25 17:12:40 Kevin_Kofler And it uses NM through Solid, not directly. Nov 25 17:12:58 Kevin_Kofler So Solid gets to know all the information it knows as well. Nov 25 17:13:01 Stalwart and solid uses nm through hal? Nov 25 17:13:08 Kevin_Kofler No. Nov 25 17:13:16 Kevin_Kofler Networking is separate. Nov 25 17:13:44 Stalwart ok, i see now Nov 25 17:14:01 Kevin_Kofler Somewhere in the process HAL is used to enumerate network devices (I think NM handles that, the Solid HAL backend might be doing it too), but managing network connections is NM's job. Nov 25 17:14:10 Kevin_Kofler Solid has a NM backend. Nov 25 17:15:04 rdieter slashdot: woo http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/25/1517233 Nov 25 17:17:25 jreznik so what's the plan for f11? ;) of course 4.2, but any hot feature? Nov 25 17:17:42 Kevin_Kofler KOffice 2 hopefully. Nov 25 17:18:04 Tuju hot, i'm sure you'll burn your fingers with Akonadi ;) Nov 25 17:18:12 dgilmore nm uses dbus Nov 25 17:18:15 Kevin_Kofler NM plasmoid and PowerDevil by default. Nov 25 17:19:02 jreznik and maybe finally Amarok 2 Nov 25 17:19:10 Kevin_Kofler We already have that in F10. :-) Nov 25 17:19:11 jreznik or 2.x Nov 25 17:19:19 jreznik but it's still RC Nov 25 17:19:23 Kevin_Kofler Well, the beta, with the RC now queued for testing. Nov 25 17:19:26 than Policykit support Nov 25 17:19:30 jreznik with many missing features Nov 25 17:19:30 Kevin_Kofler The final will show up in updates. Nov 25 17:19:49 Kevin_Kofler than: Right. Nov 25 17:20:06 Stalwart new artwork AGAIN of course Nov 25 17:20:19 Stalwart likely worse than solar Nov 25 17:21:03 jreznik I hope for F11 final theme will be choosed earlier... Nov 25 17:21:13 jreznik and then I can prepare much more Nov 25 17:21:16 * SMParrish_Mobile likes solar Nov 25 17:21:18 Stalwart should we ask art team to have link to previous release artwork just like we have with codenames? Nov 25 17:21:30 Kevin_Kofler My ConsoleKit shutdown hack in kdebase-workspace should also be using PolicyKit, by the way. Right now it'll just silently kick you to GDM if you don't have permissions to shutdown or restart. Nov 25 17:21:33 jreznik like Plasma theme Nov 25 17:21:42 Kevin_Kofler But without the hack it wouldn't support shutdown or restart with GDM at all. Nov 25 17:21:45 jreznik pages for Konqueror etc... Nov 25 17:22:38 Kevin_Kofler I need to get PolicyKit support in there, then get the patch upstreamed (another fight with ossi, fun...). Nov 25 17:23:19 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - KDE 4.1.3 Nov 25 17:23:26 Kevin_Kofler Next topic: KDE 4.1.3. Nov 25 17:23:36 * Kick_ hat die Verbindung getrennt ("Client exiting") Nov 25 17:23:44 Kevin_Kofler So the current status is that it's queued for stable for F10, F9 and (for the few relevant parts) F8. Nov 25 17:24:12 Kevin_Kofler The F8 update is just libs and Dolphin, as usual. Nov 25 17:24:15 * MathStuf (n=MathStuf@rattata-55.dynamic.rpi.edu) hat #fedora-meeting betreten Nov 25 17:25:17 jreznik ok Nov 25 17:25:19 Kevin_Kofler rdieter updated the kdegraphics build today to fix some missing files in -libs. Nov 25 17:25:41 Kevin_Kofler Is there anything to discuss about 4.1.3 or should we move on? Nov 25 17:27:23 jreznik Kevin_Kofler: we can move on, no objections Nov 25 17:27:51 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - KDE 4.1.80/4.2 Nov 25 17:27:59 Kevin_Kofler Next topic: KDE 4.1.80/4.2 Nov 25 17:28:07 Kevin_Kofler This one is probably more interesting. :-) Nov 25 17:29:05 jreznik Yes, it's interesting... What's current state? Nov 25 17:29:24 * lvillani is working on kdepim now Nov 25 17:29:32 than KDE-4.1.80 is now in CVS Nov 25 17:29:50 lvillani and the parallel_devel patch must be be fixed Nov 25 17:30:08 Kevin_Kofler Right. I'm going to work on the parallel_devel stuff today. Nov 25 17:30:19 * rdieter hopes we can try to upstream some/most of the the parallel_devel stuff Nov 25 17:30:29 lvillani I prepared a dirty replacement, but I sent all the required stuff to Kevin_Kofler ;) Nov 25 17:30:59 Kevin_Kofler The parts which are really hard to update when the build setup changes (like it did in 4.2) are the ugly hacks which upstream will never accept. Nov 25 17:31:12 Kevin_Kofler The infamous /usr/lib/kde4/devel hack. Nov 25 17:31:18 rdieter nod Nov 25 17:31:30 Kevin_Kofler Renaming kconfig_compiler and makekdewidgets is the easy part. Nov 25 17:32:30 Kevin_Kofler But we can expect this to be a one-time occurrence as far as the near future. Nov 25 17:32:48 Kevin_Kofler KDE 4.3 will still use cmake 2.6, so I don't expect them to change things radically again. Nov 25 17:32:51 MathStuf want to do the krazy-licensecheck move into krazy for 4.2? or do it earlier? Nov 25 17:34:32 Kevin_Kofler Hmmm, I don't know. Nov 25 17:35:26 MathStuf it does internal checks for krazy, so if i put it into krazy, it'll be a lot less as well Nov 25 17:38:56 Kevin_Kofler Well, I think it should go into krazy. Nov 25 17:39:04 Kevin_Kofler Let's do it in F11 Rawhide? Nov 25 17:39:09 MathStuf alright Nov 25 17:39:13 Kevin_Kofler I can drop the file from kdesdk. Nov 25 17:39:14 Tuju Kevin_Kofler: any plans to kdepim lib requirements? Nov 25 17:39:23 Kevin_Kofler Tuju: What lib requirements? Nov 25 17:39:34 Kevin_Kofler libopensync? Nov 25 17:39:41 Tuju well, you know where the swamp is :) Nov 25 17:39:43 Kevin_Kofler We need to talk to its maintainer. Nov 25 17:39:52 Kevin_Kofler (Andreas Bierfert) Nov 25 17:40:05 Tuju is the akonadi schedule fixed already? Nov 25 17:40:08 MathStuf its a perl script, but i think I'll just replace it with a bash script Nov 25 17:42:23 Kevin_Kofler I really don't know what's up with Akonadi. Nov 25 17:42:35 Kevin_Kofler I think we'll need it updated to build kdepim 4.2. Nov 25 17:42:45 Kevin_Kofler We have 1.0.0 and I'm sure that's too old. Nov 25 17:43:43 rdieter we'll surely find out... the hard way. Nov 25 17:44:52 ltinkl http://akonadi.omat.nl/akonadi-1.0.80.tar.bz2 Nov 25 17:44:58 ltinkl this is what we need Nov 25 17:45:10 Kevin_Kofler ltinkl: OK, can you import it then? :-) Nov 25 17:45:15 ltinkl has been mentioned on kde-packager Nov 25 17:45:18 ltinkl Kevin_Kofler: sure Nov 25 17:45:24 lvillani I already have bumped specfile awaiting for commit Nov 25 17:45:41 Kevin_Kofler We also need to figure out what's the state of strigi and soprano. Nov 25 17:46:09 Kevin_Kofler At least for strigi, 0.5.11.1 is apparently enough (we have 0.5.11, we might need the .1 bugfix). Nov 25 17:46:15 Kevin_Kofler And I have no idea when 0.6 will be out. Nov 25 17:46:40 Kevin_Kofler For soprano, the messaging isn't clear about whether 2.2 will be out with KDE 4.2 and whether we should upgrade it now or not. Nov 25 17:46:43 lvillani my builds in mock revealed that 4.1.80 builds with our version of both soprano and strigi Nov 25 17:46:58 lvillani I was about to do the same tests for akonadi and kdepim Nov 25 17:47:02 Kevin_Kofler So let's keep the existing versions for now? Nov 25 17:47:09 Kevin_Kofler I think akonadi really needs upgrading. Nov 25 17:47:14 Kevin_Kofler A lot of work going on there. Nov 25 17:47:43 Kevin_Kofler Upgrading soprano might be useful too, unfortunately they aren't too talkative about their schedules. Nov 25 17:48:00 * ltinkl going to update akonadi after the meeting Nov 25 17:48:13 Kevin_Kofler Last news was that it'll release with 4.2 though. So it might be useful to upgrade it. Nov 25 17:48:24 Kevin_Kofler As for strigi, I have absolutely no idea when they plan to release 0.6. Nov 25 17:48:40 Kevin_Kofler No talks about schedules anywhere, web page horribly outdated, no mailing list discussions either. Nov 25 17:49:23 lvillani ltinkl, I'm going to drop my bumped specfile then Nov 25 17:49:28 Kevin_Kofler Suggested action item: somebody should talk to upstream KDE about kdesupport schedule communication. Nov 25 17:50:03 lvillani oh, I also saw automoc failing randomly (that was weird) Nov 25 17:50:17 lvillani automoc or moc Nov 25 17:51:17 Kevin_Kofler So can we move on? There's one more topic on the agenda. Nov 25 17:51:23 rdieter I understood that requisite kdesupport bits would be tagged/released along with releases Nov 25 17:52:09 rdieter move on... Nov 25 17:52:21 Kevin_Kofler But what about upgrades which aren't strictly needed to build 4.2, but could be useful for F11 anyway, like Soprano 2.2? Nov 25 17:52:39 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - enable webcollage in kdeartwork again Nov 25 17:52:47 Kevin_Kofler Well, next topic: enable webcollage in kdeartwork again Nov 25 17:53:02 Kevin_Kofler So webcollage has been fixed not to display obscene images by default. Nov 25 17:53:10 Kevin_Kofler https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472061 Nov 25 17:53:12 buggbot Bug 472061: high, medium, ---, mtasaka@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp, RELEASE_PENDING, webcollage screen saver displaying pornography Nov 25 17:53:29 Kevin_Kofler So we can reenable it in kdeartwork. Nov 25 17:53:44 Kevin_Kofler Any objections there? Nov 25 17:54:18 SMParrish_Mobile none here Nov 25 17:55:54 than it seems no objections here -> enable it again Nov 25 17:56:41 Kevin_Kofler Somehow calling it "web collage" is a bit of a misnomer though with that "fix". Nov 25 17:59:47 jreznik how can I fix it to show only p0rn? :) Nov 25 17:59:56 Kevin_Kofler ;-) Nov 25 18:00:19 Kevin_Kofler Use --directory with the directory of your pr0n collection? ;-) Nov 25 18:00:28 than jreznik: it*s easy to enable it again ;-) Nov 25 18:02:20 ltinkl we need F10 adult edition, esp. for jreznik :p Nov 25 18:02:35 jreznik spin :) Nov 25 18:04:53 Kevin_Kofler Conflicts: sugar ;-) Nov 25 18:05:41 Kevin_Kofler Well, we're over time already. Nov 25 18:05:56 Kevin_Kofler Anything else to discuss? Otherwise let's wrap it up here. Nov 25 18:06:07 * Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-25 - open discussion Nov 25 18:10:46 Kevin_Kofler OK, that was it for today.