[14:57] kde sig meeting in ~5 minutes. [15:00] ok, let's get started, KDE SIG meeting, who's present? [15:01] * svahl is here [15:02] small party, ok. [15:03] just mostly fyi stuff to begin with... I and svahl will stick around for the Board meeting to report on KDE spin. [15:03] lacking than being here (again, sigh), we'll have to push harder for kde stack to be merged asap. [15:04] svahl: did you have any issues/topics you want to raise wrt Board meeting, spin progress? [15:05] only two: 1. small feedback 2. non-english-versions [15:05] can you elaborate? [15:05] for the second: I think we should think about how we could offer versions in other languages than english [15:06] I've tested a dvd version today (~1100 megs). It's working. [15:06] of course, but how/why does that involve the Board? or did you just want them to be aware of the issue? [15:07] the second: they should be aware of that (i think) [15:08] and "small feedback" = lack thereof? yeah, that's ok (for now). (hopefully) it'll get better for f7t4. [15:08] what did you add for your test dvd version? [15:08] it _must_ be better for test4. eg. I've heard that kpowersave and kdesktop crashes sometimes. but i cannot reproduce this [15:09] only kde-i18n-* and koffice-langpack-* [15:09] kpowersave *does* crash (I saw it), sometimes, but we need bug reports, feedback, to be able to fix that. [15:09] the only "problem" there was, that after installation the not used localizations would also be installed/updated [15:10] yes. that's the problem. Only one bug report (AFAIK) for KDE-Test3 [15:10] does this powersave issue concern the LiveCD? [15:11] kanarip: yes. [15:11] kanarip, yes. after automatic login kdesktop crashes sometime [15:11] s [15:11] fwiw, I've never seen nor heard of kdesktop crashes. [15:11] may i ask what's the reason powersave is in a livecd? [15:11] laptops? [15:11] not sure (don't own one) [15:11] laptops running a fullblown desktop from an optical or usb image? [15:12] also, the case where the LiveCD becomes your installed image, and then you want power save there too [15:12] not to step on any toes here [15:12] kanarip: I run the liveUSB on my laptop a lot [15:12] kanarip: toes, smoes, np. [15:12] I'd rather it did powersave stuff so that the battery doesn't get eaten alive. [15:12] but having stuff run during livecd because it needs to be there when the user installs... doesn't make sense to me [15:12] also, it's handy to have that kind of stuff in place to test withthe Live CD before deciding to install, you can see how well it performs on your battery. [15:13] kanarip: it needs to be there for runtime use too. Easier to enable sleep/hibernate. [15:13] by the way, this doesn't at all affect my opinion that i'd rather see all these issues fixed [15:13] kanarip: it's about a consistant look/feel. We don't want the Live environment to be different from your normal installed environment. [15:14] kanarip: did you have other issues as well? I'd like to hear them. [15:14] rdieter, not concerning the KDE spins whatsoever, keep up the good work ;-) [15:15] if worse comes to worse, (heaven forbid) we could use gnome-power-save instead, if kpowersave is too unstable. [15:15] likewise, replace knetworkmanager with nm-applet (but I doubt it'll come to that) [15:16] svahl: anything else on your mind? [15:17] maybe only some webspace at fp.o for weekly test spins :) [15:17] svahl: they're working on it (or so I'm told), we'll make do until then (hosted @ kde-redhat.org) [15:17] ok. good to know that [15:18] did you get any feedback for the first weekly spin? [15:18] fwiw, only 10 downloads from our local torrent tracker. :( [15:18] oh :( [15:19] no feedback, 1 question: "is the /dev/root issue been fixed?", I said I hadn't heard of the issue before. [15:19] this one is fixed [15:19] swell. [15:19] fixed in our snapshot, or since then? [15:20] since test2 (also gnome one) [15:20] sheesh, kinda silly question then, imo, oh well. [15:21] svahl: any luck with git access? [15:21] how hard would it be to default kernel.sysrq to 1 on the live cds? [15:23] rdieter, no. [15:25] silug: why? [15:26] silug: regardless, I better question asked on fedora-livecd list. [15:26] svahl: jeremy granted me access, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. [15:27] s/I better question/a question better/ , makes more sense. [15:27] according to jeremy this should be all: git clone ssh://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/livecd [15:28] I got permission denied. :( [15:28] me too [15:29] may because my fedora key username is rdieter, my local (here) username is rdieter1, but I'll can debug more later. [15:30] if git gives us too much hassle in the short-term, I can give you access to our kde-redhat cvs/svn repository on sourceforge... [15:30] and we can put the kde livecd configs there. [15:32] And, until kde pkgs are merged, I'll use our (forked) kde-redhat packages for livecd snapshots. [15:32] ok. that would be an option [15:32] rdieter, what do you think about the package list for the weekly spin? Is it ok? Is something missing? Should we re-add whole koffice? [15:33] i just git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/livecd [15:33] svahl: package list is looking pretty good, I don't see much changing there. [15:33] kanarip: no fair. :) [15:33] yeah, you want commit access, right? ;-) [15:34] though, you didn't use ssh, right. [15:34] try use git clone ssh://rdieter@git.fp.org/git/hosted/livecd, that is how i clone revisor if need be [15:35] ahalsey, it works :) [15:35] thx kanarip [15:35] np [15:35] yay! eureka! [15:36] looks like we have a winner, thanks. [15:36] kanarip: if you don't mind, what *is* revisor? [15:37] revisor is the tool you want to use when composing and customizing Fedora Installation and Live Media [15:37] good to know. [15:38] http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/development/feature-list [15:39] we're adding more and more stuff along the way [15:39] have users include an updates.img is now also create the updates.img using revisor (all future releases) [15:39] include your drivers in the initrd for installation media [15:40] advanced package selection including the specific versions [15:40] integrates with pungi and/or livecd-tools, I assume? (or not?) [15:40] and last but not least, rebrand the entire distro < that's gonna be a tough one [15:40] it integrates with pungi, yes [15:40] but not livecd-tools [15:41] it's not set up to be importable in any way [15:41] how does it generate live media then? [15:41] and they told me they're not gonna have an API ready any time soon [15:41] we basically forked it [15:41] icky poo. [15:41] at least for the time being, we have a deadline [15:42] sorry, nothing against you, just poo'ing on the non-ideal-ness of the situation. [15:42] kanarip: why did you fork it instead of execing it and using the cli api? [15:42] sure, we get the same during fudcon [15:42] is it just becuase you wouldn't get callbacks? [15:42] [Notify] tibbs went offline (irc.freenode.org). [15:43] no f13, we need livecd-creator to do more then it can currently do [15:43] we also need it to do stuff different from how it does things [15:43] ah, so it's more than just not having an API [15:44] because, and this is something i've been working on around with pungi too... [15:44] we have the package sack, and we do the depsolving already [15:44] i'm not gonna have pungi do it again, and then have livecd-creator do it again [15:45] now pungi was easily done, it has good and proper functions [15:45] interesting, but looks like not something kde spin can use this time around. [15:45] not yet rdieter ;-) [15:45] ideally, work on revisor, pungi, livecd-tools can be merged back together sometime (maybe after f7). [15:46] our deadline also forces us to do some nasty stuff we wouldn't choose to do if we had the chance [15:46] I *totally* understand. [15:46] providing a patch to pungi to provide callbacks is one of those things [15:46] that however is still on our todo list [15:47] svahl: anything else, otherwise, we can call it quits for now and wait for FPB meeting. [15:47] no [15:47] (or anyone else can chime in too) [15:48] well i just want you to know [15:48] i'm watching livecd-creator at every move it makes [15:48] and i also hear your feedback on it ;-) [15:49] * rdieter hears a police song in the background. [15:49] kanarip, thx. Was interesting to hear about. [15:49] ok, we're done then... thanks all.