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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (25 March 2007)</h1>
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<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster just updated page with his item</td><td><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?action=edit&editor=text">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?action=edit&editor=text</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">crud, sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the first is easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there isn't a GSoC update; aiui the deadline for entries was extended to tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Ah OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I don't have a view yet into what has been proposed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and I don't have a decision yet whether i'll participate as a student.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but it does look like, except for FDP, Fedora didn't get as many ideas up on pages for people to propose against</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">kind of our usual, "How about you dream up something you'd like to do?"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*sigh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think the Board will need to start proactively dealing with this better in 2008</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey, you know, if all we had to do was put out GNOME or something, then maybe we'd have time for niceties :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And to do that, we need a better planning system. I think there was an unfortunately short thread on a better project-wide calendaring system in one of the lists</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster, right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we can move on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">All right, my item next, yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So, obviously if you look at f-docs-commits you'll see I've spent a bunch of time in Makefile.common recently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We are now set up so people can check out single documents as a module, and automatically get docs-common included.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but this is docs-common at ,/ v. ../?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Things should Just Work(TM) regardless of whether you do that, or mirror the whole repository down</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">gotcha!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so you dealt with the concern about multiple docs-common copies/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">You'll see the "find-common-dir" near the top (or some name like that, can't recall off the top of my head)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It looks in current dir first, then parents up, then looks for a system dir in case we ever get around to packaging it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid kicks CVS for not supporting symlinks</td><td><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Boo-ya!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Nah, symlinks bad for people using Windowsw</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">s/sw$/s/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the rest of it works on Windows?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster, :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Well, cygwin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, as long as you got it to work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, and...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If it had to be a choice, cygwin would lose out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But I think symlinks are generally a bad way of doing things anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">fragile</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2. entities</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The entities files originally in docs-common/common/ are now gone (fdp-entities-<LANG>.ent)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">They were useless anyway, a pain for translators, and mostly stale</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">All system wide entities have migrated to docs-common/common/entities/ using PO, the way that God intended</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Next up, I'm going to do the same for docs-common/common/ snippets like bugreporting, legalnotice, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, good, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hang on , brb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid saw cruft and didn't know which was cruft and which was gold</td><td><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid gets distracted in EPEL SIG meeting</td><td><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I got the new CVS bits and didn't have any questions so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but this is good because it simplifies the l10n process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">should we have the QSTG updated?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or maybe wait until things settle down some more?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">dunno</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid, I'd say that we could wait to get it done right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">It's 2 months more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:33" class="time">12:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It won't be nearly that long before I have everything done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">In the next few days, after I'm done, I'll update it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*: I also want to bring up the whole "xml2po -e" vs. "xml2po -k" thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think we're better off with the latter. </td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We tried it before but it didn't work because of the stupid stuff in docs-common/common/ (i.e. snippet inclusion without XInclude)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think we can safely go back to keeping entities in the POT/PO files now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That means that translators will simply translate, e.g. &DISTRO; as &DISTRO;</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If we update one of them, like the Fedora release number, the translation doesn't immediately catch "the fuzzies"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster, whatever you believe it's better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yeah, we tried to do it this way before, and fell back because we couldn't make it work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Now we have more XML savvy and fewer crazy things we're trying to do, so things like that should now be possible again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: good work, padewan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh, one more thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm putting per-branch aliases in CVSROOT/modules, so you can now check out, e.g. "install-guide-devel" to get just the devel branch.  It cuts down on bandwidth as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So, next up:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1. fixing snippets => XML+PO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2. fixing graphics => SVG+[tools] </td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:39" class="time">12:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">GuGu: we're meeting here for the next 20 minutes (or so); do you want to save your question(s) until then, then we can talk here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: sorry, what are snippets?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:40" class="time">12:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: bugreporting-*.xml, legalnotice-*.xml, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:41" class="time">12:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">all found in docs-common/common/ right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, right, those</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:42"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid forgot the special term 'snippet'</td><td><a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">;-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:42" class="time">12:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK, I'm done too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf_away is still away, so we can safely skip his item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I have a suggestion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that might urge translators get more Docs translated for F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">if we had on the web some l10n statistics for cvs.fp.org, that might urge them to push their translation too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:45" class="time">12:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">can we do that semi-manually?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">boo, hiss</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, write some Perl that dumps stats to SVG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">err</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Sonar_Gal, would it be a good idea to ask FIP for a place to run the <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation#statistics">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation#statistics</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Python I meant</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Poor Sonar_Gal </td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">her fault, if she chose Sonar_Gyrl, then Sonar_Guy would get all the "So[tab] "</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid, we could do a cron job to run this script and publish the results.. they are not pretty, but they are usable... Especially if you run them through a search-n-replace script that transforms them into an HTML table...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at least that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe an update hourly (or at :20 or something)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid, should we ask FIP for l10n.fedoraproject.org?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And translation.fp.o</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as a CNAME?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">whatever</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster doesn't trust people to guess "l10n"</td><td><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, whatever, I mena, as a pointer v. stand alone host</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oh yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then I want documentation.fp.o !</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ok.. we could standarize on translations.fedoraproject.org and take it from there.. I guess this is something -trans-list should decide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is all about the "docs is unprofesional, spell it out" :)</td><td><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yes, propose and see what they prefer, just as we did for docs.fp.o and then we'll put up what we have as we hae it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">k. then I'll just send an email to FIP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool, or file a ticket</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there is nothing to discuss, just request</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(<a href="http://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets">http://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets</a>)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and there we go</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything more here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:54" class="time">12:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">nah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh, no quorum even</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rockin', thx getns</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">gents even</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
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