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<h1>FDSCo-irclog-2008-02-05.log</h1>
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<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo meeting - greetings and role call</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, I'm here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob Bobjensen</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Do we have an agenda?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, sort of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have what we had last week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was lookig on list for anything new, and there isn't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we'll have a quick meeting :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo - one summary</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf here</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have an update for the install guide also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, renamed SingleSummary</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and work still needs to happen to figure out what belongs where</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">JonRob is doing a good job with it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else on that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo - content status update</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">one small thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">is this Docs-owned or Marketing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">~yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">LOL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: I think we need to both own the content, and wrangle it together</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf not 100% up2date on that</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll get it figured out soon, I reckon, and on list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: go head with IG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">this is different than the one sheet release note, correct?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">K</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can pull from the SingleSummary to populate the top parts of the one-sheet, conceivably</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(if useful, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: IG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I am meeting with Paul on thursday evening, going to get going on the IG, I have recruited two helpers that do a majority of the installs in the fedora unity re-spin testing process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So I will maybe need some CVS and docbook help in the comign weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">are you and Paul going to consider additions/enhancements to the IG?  other than whatever changes come from anaconda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">coming</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: exacty</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: there are some areas that need more info to flesh the doc out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do you know yet what F9 release or date we are targetting the IG beta for?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">superb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or is that after THur?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">after thursday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have not had a chance to look at that yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok; can you make sure poelcat sees that info?  presumably emailing the list should do it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok; other IG stuffs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- chased [n=themis@athedsl-341053.home.otenet.gr]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">relnotes one-sheet for Fedora 9 Alpha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">went out today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">kudos to mether and jonrob for teaming up to get that one together; I had a few edits this morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although the wiki is having problems over the last few hours, it sounds as if it is not because of overt hammering of that page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">however, we need to include a ~12 hour ahead step next time to convert to a static page and link everywhere to there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">what do I need to see?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: our schedule for the install guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">DUG and AG are quite silent atm, but trying to get up to speed with everything right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: I will email you once I have a chance to look at the calendar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">EvilBob: gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">got some more time on hands now, so it could be ready pretty quick</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">next?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: sorry if I got lost in this; are many of the wiki pages ready for "final before conversion" edits?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">As for the Software Management Guide (SMG):</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. Sparks has asked for input on list; gotten any from anywhere?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. I was looking at how to change the bugzilla component but haven't gotten it figured yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks at that #2 whilst 1 is discussed</td><td><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: from what I've seen, it still needs some work, but it's almost at that point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">some pages are pre-conv edit ready</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and are marked, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can put out some pressure to edit; I'd like more people watching so e.g. Paul and I are passing along skills and tips</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'll send a list to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's a good idea; we can divide and conquer a bit more that way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I'll work on the smg bz component separately</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it does bring up one point, we could use more makefile, scripting, tooling, and CVS admin expertise</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, and Crypto Guide ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sparks: did you update that one for the new Anaconda features?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll get updates on list for those</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo -- AOB</td><td><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't think we can chat about meeting times, and we have to plead "transition time" for not being able to handle the FDSCo chair elections</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Leadership</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(also, a lack of enough people)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we really need to get that sorted out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">OK next week new time or same time?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I know this time really isn't good for jmbuser, the rest is fine iirc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">do we want to take the meeting time issue to the list and decide there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: problem is ... we don'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">t know what time is good for jmbuser</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right, so we should get him to fill in the table, he's back in middle east right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EvilBob: don't get me started</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I am so Evil...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but so far I don't see a time that is good for everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe stickster_afk can redo his part now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so can we settle this by next week on-list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"></meeting>?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
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