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| themayor | hey anyone here for marketing meeting? | 22:01 |
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| moixs | bouh | 22:02 |
| * lcafiero is here for marketing meeting | 22:02 | |
| themayor | im here | 22:02 |
| * spevack is here, but in a bit more quiet role than the last few eeks | 22:02 | |
| yanstadel | im also there | 22:02 |
| spevack | s/eeks/weeks | 22:02 |
| themayor | hey yanstadel!!! | 22:02 |
| themayor | welcome | 22:02 |
| moixs | Hi yanstadel, welcome :) | 22:02 |
| e1luca1 | Hi, I'm an ambassador not in mk team so I'll be as quiet as I can | 22:03 |
| inode0 | ambassadors do not have quiet in their nature! | 22:03 |
| moixs | :p | 22:03 |
| yanstadel | thx, themayor and moixs | 22:04 |
| e1luca1 | so I manage to make a good joke :D | 22:04 |
| themayor | e1luca1: its all good, feel free to join us | 22:04 |
| themayor | okay anyway | 22:04 |
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| themayor | let us begin | 22:04 |
| moixs | First point for me on the list, the release announcment | 22:05 |
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| themayor | yeah i wanted to bring that up | 22:05 |
| moixs | As you have probably seen, I fucked it up :p | 22:05 |
| themayor | well let me hear what you wanted to say first | 22:06 |
| themayor | i actually fucked up a little too | 22:06 |
| moixs | I wasn't aware that the docs team was already working on it | 22:06 |
| moixs | good news is, we wrote aproximatively the same ;) | 22:06 |
| themayor | okay so last week we had a beta-ready meeting | 22:06 |
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| themayor | and we spoke about what stuff we need to work together on, etc | 22:06 |
| themayor | docs mentioned at that meeting that they had an announcement ready already, or partially ready | 22:07 |
| moixs | ok, I dind't read the log :/ | 22:07 |
| themayor | and i didnt send a summary to out list | 22:07 |
| themayor | my fault on that | 22:07 |
| moixs | Do they plan on doing the same for all future release announcments? | 22:07 |
| themayor | but i view this as a good thing because we also spoke about areas in which we need to collaborate in the future and the fact there was a crossed wire shows there is an opportunity to nail this next time | 22:08 |
| themayor | moixs: for the most part yes, but we should work with them on it | 22:08 |
| themayor | after all we ARE marketing | 22:08 |
| themayor | and they arent against that | 22:08 |
| moixs | ok, that's less work for me. I'll send this text to the NDN 2 days before the actual release. | 22:08 |
| spevack | we've talked before about the need to coordinate these sorts of things across teams | 22:08 |
| themayor | thats a couple more items we need to add to our schedule | 22:08 |
| themayor | write the release announcement, or work on them, whatever the arrangement will be | 22:09 |
| themayor | i am going to be talking to the docs guys again tomottoew | 22:09 |
| themayor | tomorrow | 22:09 |
| moixs | Who has the lead on this in the docs team btw? | 22:09 |
| themayor | so i will mention this to them and see how we can get 50/50 on this | 22:09 |
| moixs | One thing you can tell them, is not to use english-specific cultural references | 22:10 |
| themayor | i think john did most of it | 22:10 |
| themayor | and sparks too | 22:10 |
| themayor | and i know susan did some of it | 22:10 |
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| themayor | it was sparks who was at that beta meeting btw | 22:11 |
| moixs | Ok, when I send the text to the NDN I'll just mention to adapt it to local cultures. Sentences like "Is a better operating system than Fedora 10 even possible?" are not appreciated AT ALL from French people for example. | 22:11 |
| moixs | btw, next point :p | 22:12 |
| spevack | ! | 22:12 |
| themayor | yes | 22:12 |
| * stickster comes in late, sorry | 22:12 | |
| spevack | Sentences like "Is a better operating system than Fedora 10 even possible" shouldn't really be written in any language! :) | 22:13 |
| themayor | lol | 22:13 |
| themayor | agreed, well paul mentioned we want the slogan to be actionable | 22:13 |
| moixs | In some cultures it's ok to say that, people get over it...not in France. | 22:13 |
| spevack | Fedora 11: Be Metal | 22:13 |
| themayor | ah we are talking about the announcement | 22:13 |
| stickster | spevack: lol | 22:14 |
| themayor | yeah, bad sentence | 22:14 |
| themayor | anyway | 22:14 |
| themayor | i will talk to them tomorrow about how we want to do this from now and report back to the list | 22:14 |
| themayor | sound good? | 22:14 |
| moixs | yep | 22:14 |
| themayor | im going to siggest that we come up with the key points maybe, and then they can flesh it out | 22:14 |
| themayor | because we will have a bunch of stuff by a beta release | 22:14 |
| themayor | they can cull from that | 22:15 |
| themayor | next topic | 22:15 |
| themayor | the slogan | 22:15 |
| themayor | let me just pull it up | 22:15 |
| moixs | (F11_release_slogan) | 22:16 |
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| themayor | yup | 22:16 |
| themayor | anyone have any thoughts on that? | 22:16 |
| themayor | stickster: ?? | 22:16 |
| stickster | I have plenty, but I thought we were just gathering ideas at this point. | 22:17 |
| themayor | yes we were | 22:17 |
| stickster | At what time are we going to declare an end to idea-gathering, and move on to critique and winnowing down the list? | 22:17 |
| themayor | but i figured you might have some thoughts thus far | 22:17 |
| themayor | well we should have it done by the time of the preview | 22:18 |
| themayor | i would say give it a couple more weeks? | 22:18 |
| e1luca1 | don't art guys need some time in advance to fit the slogan ? | 22:18 |
| themayor | the slogan is supposed to revolve around the art really | 22:19 |
| themayor | or match up at least | 22:19 |
| moixs | e1luca1: yes, but we still have 1 month or so | 22:19 |
| themayor | the truth is | 22:20 |
| themayor | i like come and get it | 22:20 |
| themayor | its rough, and it fits | 22:20 |
| themayor | although it doesnt really fit in with the keyowrds | 22:20 |
| moixs | "Come get some" is a bit of the same, more catchy :p | 22:20 |
| themayor | and i didnt like it at first | 22:20 |
| themayor | yeah | 22:20 |
| yanstadel | Is Leonidas bound to Leonidas the king or could it also be Leonidas the athletic? | 22:21 |
| stickster | We try to match the slogan with some element of the artwork. | 22:21 |
| moixs | yanstadel: it's bound to nothing, feel free to propose whatever you want | 22:21 |
| themayor | and then we can speak to the four foundations as the "some" of what you are coming to get | 22:21 |
| themayor | yes | 22:21 |
| e1luca1 | yanstadel: +1. we have mountains, philosophers, and a lot of 300 movie but nothing about Olympics | 22:22 |
| e1luca1 | like Win at Freedom Olympics | 22:22 |
| yanstadel | just added another slogang | 22:22 |
| yanstadel | -g | 22:22 |
| * stickster notes the artwork team will need enough notice to create any related banners, and the websites team will need notice to move the slogan *and* send it to Translation | 22:22 | |
| yanstadel | "keep on running" | 22:22 |
| themayor | anyway, lets not get carried away | 22:23 |
| themayor | lets set 2 weeks from now as the cutoff date | 22:23 |
| themayor | sound good? | 22:23 |
| moixs | 1 week for ideas, one week for selection? | 22:23 |
| themayor | no 2 weeks for ideas | 22:23 |
| themayor | then another week for selection | 22:23 |
| moixs | okay | 22:23 |
| e1luca1 | in 2 weeks we'll need another 8 to sort through ideas | 22:23 |
| themayor | and we coordinate with art that 3rd week | 22:23 |
| themayor | na i dont think so, because we will be talking about it on the list | 22:23 |
| * stickster notes that he retains veto power :-) | 22:24 | |
| * spevack would like to propose the next topic for tonight's meeting, when this one is complete | 22:24 | |
| spevack | stickster: it's good to be king, eh? | 22:24 |
| themayor | stickster: absolutely, you're involved in this process 100% | 22:24 |
| * stickster has one of the palace attendants peel him another grape | 22:24 | |
| themayor | okay so lets note that too, ill add it to the schedule | 22:25 |
| spevack | stickster: shouldn't your kids be in school? /runs | 22:25 |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:25 |
| themayor | okay so spevack what dud you want to talk about? | 22:25 |
| spevack | one quick comment | 22:25 |
| spevack | and one question | 22:25 |
| spevack | comment first | 22:25 |
| themayor | shoot | 22:26 |
| spevack | Dimitris and Diego will be in Amsterdam with me for a week. I plan to do an audio interview with them about Transifex, Fedora localization, etc. | 22:26 |
| spevack | where/when/how we use it, we can figure out later | 22:26 |
| spevack | but it's an opportunity worth seizing | 22:26 |
| spevack | 22:27 | |
| themayor | tell me more.... | 22:27 |
| moixs | Yep, interviews are always very much appreciated on linux/tech news websites | 22:27 |
| spevack | themayor: I don't know... just that I figured it would give us a chance to do something like the in-depth F11 feature, but focusing instead on a Fedora sub-project | 22:27 |
| * stickster comes back from talking to his daughter about homework and ironically sees spevack's comment :-D | 22:27 | |
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| spevack | themayor: and maybe it can provide a template for doing profiles of different parts of Fedora | 22:28 |
| spevack | and the people behind them | 22:28 |
| themayor | spevack: yeah, i was going to ask if you wanted that to be something like an in-depth feature thing | 22:28 |
| themayor | this actually leads into what yanstadel is here for | 22:28 |
| themayor | the face of fedora stuff | 22:28 |
| spevack | well, then feel free to segue into that. | 22:28 |
| themayor | but before that, spevack, yes its an excellent idea | 22:28 |
| yanstadel | openSuSe has (or had?) a interview-series called people of opensuse | 22:29 |
| themayor | i think we should be doing contributor profiles, like text profiles and put them up on planet | 22:29 |
| themayor | and then the face of fedora video comes out of that | 22:29 |
| * spevack remembers fondly his "lesser known fedora contributors" series | 22:29 | |
| themayor | yes | 22:29 |
| themayor | that was good | 22:29 |
| yanstadel | they had a list of interessting people, wehe everyone could add people of whom he wants to read a interview | 22:29 |
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| yanstadel | every month they picked up one and published a interview with him | 22:30 |
| stickster | spevack: I did a few of those myself :-) Rasther just found his... from almost a year ago! | 22:30 |
| yanstadel | and i think it would be a good idea to do something like that in the fedora project too | 22:30 |
| yanstadel | what do you think about it? | 22:31 |
| themayor | yanstadel: i think its a great idea | 22:31 |
| themayor | would you want to work together with me on a series like that | 22:32 |
| yanstadel | yes, of course | 22:32 |
| themayor | we can do individuals, and then groups | 22:32 |
| yanstadel | yes | 22:32 |
| themayor | and we can grow from that into the face of fedora video | 22:32 |
| yanstadel | yes, but i think this is going to be a very great step, from written interviews to video interviews | 22:33 |
| yanstadel | for videos you need much more infrastructure and manpower | 22:33 |
| themayor | na, i think we just need to figure out what we want people to put in their videos and have them self-submitted | 22:34 |
| e1luca1 | how about just still pictures. and, could you also include ambassadors in the interviews? I need some stories of ambassadors for a project there | 22:34 |
| yanstadel | ok, this would be an idea | 22:34 |
| themayor | sound good? | 22:35 |
| moixs | I see one problem with videos | 22:35 |
| themayor | for the videos, we've spoken about this before, basically last time we came to a conclusion, 3 minutes or less | 22:35 |
| themayor | hello i am foo | 22:35 |
| themayor | this is what i do for fedora | 22:35 |
| themayor | this is why i am fedora | 22:35 |
| themayor | thats it | 22:36 |
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| * wonderer_ steps in | 22:36 | |
| moixs | People are not all very confident to record themselves on video, particularly non-english people. | 22:36 |
| themayor | and we can intersperse those with longer features which we decide upon doing | 22:36 |
| moixs | For this reason, I's like to see both types of interviews | 22:36 |
| moixs | I'd like | 22:36 |
| themayor | okay so the campaign starts like this | 22:37 |
| themayor | first text interviews | 22:37 |
| themayor | then we move up to groups | 22:37 |
| themayor | then from groups we go to videos | 22:37 |
| themayor | sound good? | 22:37 |
| themayor | and it will be an ongoing thing | 22:37 |
| themayor | from say beta until like a couple months after release | 22:38 |
| moixs | sounds fine | 22:38 |
| yanstadel | for me too | 22:38 |
| wonderer_ | ! | 22:38 |
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| * spevack is experiencing lag that makes him almost unable to participate in the meeting, just FYI | 22:39 | |
| themayor | yes wonderer_? | 22:39 |
| wonderer_ | some short notice. for FUDCon / Linuxtag I will go for some written Interviews for some PR. So if anybody is interresstet please contact me. | 22:39 |
| themayor | you can just say what you want, no need for the ! | 22:39 |
| * spevack is going to work with wonderer_ on that | 22:39 | |
| wonderer_ | ok | 22:39 |
| themayor | wonderer_: okay see if you can seek out people | 22:39 |
| themayor | ill throw up a place on the wiki to track our work and email the list | 22:40 |
| themayor | let me add this to my list of things | 22:40 |
| wonderer_ | themayor: yes, I allready work with max on that. so, also if anybody need such stuff - wonderer AT fedoraproject DOR or :-) | 22:40 |
| wonderer_ | ok. | 22:41 |
| wonderer_ | eof :-) | 22:41 |
| spevack | themayor: we're going to be doing interviews w/ FUDCon VIPs to generate press leading up to FUDcon berline | 22:41 |
| themayor | niiiice | 22:41 |
| themayor | this is all written right? | 22:41 |
| themayor | or audio? | 22:41 |
| spevack | right now we're just focusing on written | 22:42 |
| spevack | but the thing w/ diego & dimitris will touch on fudcon | 22:42 |
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| spevack | and if i can find a really easy way to capture audio, i'll do some audio interviews for various purposes and make this a recurring thing. | 22:42 |
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| themayor | great!!! | 22:42 |
| spevack | stickster has done some work on that, maybe he can just hand it to me :) | 22:42 |
| stickster | I can write up a wiki page on it | 22:43 |
| wonderer_ | spevack: as a radio mod I had some stuff. lets talk later on that issue ;-) | 22:43 |
| * spevack is laaaaazy | 22:43 | |
| * wonderer_ sends max acup of coffee _]3 | 22:43 | |
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| themayor | hahaha | 22:44 |
| stickster | Brilliant emoticon dude! | 22:44 |
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| themayor | anyway | 22:44 |
| themayor | yeah that was pretty damn sweet | 22:44 |
| * spevack doesn't get it..... oh wait, the 3 is the handle of the cup! | 22:44 | |
| themayor | _]3 | 22:44 |
| spevack | lulz | 22:44 |
| themayor | _]D | 22:44 |
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| themayor | thats more like it | 22:45 |
| spevack | -]3 -- my cup is half full! | 22:45 |
| moixs | Interesting discussion, but can we move on? :p | 22:45 |
| wonderer_ | maybe something for shirts?! (c) ... anyway. | 22:45 |
| themayor | ~]D | 22:45 |
| themayor | now thats more like it | 22:45 |
| themayor | but i dont even drink coffee | 22:45 |
| themayor | anyway | 22:45 |
| themayor | lets move on | 22:45 |
| spevack | moving on :P | 22:45 |
| * wonderer_ drinks right now out of a fedora blue IBM coffee cup ... just a hint... | 22:46 | |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:47 |
| themayor | spevack: you are still on tap to brief famsco right? | 22:48 |
| moixs | Do we have other things to talk about (picture book?) or are we more and more efficient to the point of lowering meeting times under 1h? :p | 22:48 |
| themayor | well ian isnt here | 22:48 |
| stickster | PICTURE! | 22:48 |
| themayor | i will email him to send an update to the list | 22:48 |
| themayor | BOOK | 22:48 |
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| themayor | he sent an email saying he wouldnt be here | 22:48 |
| themayor | okay we still need two people to do in depth features | 22:49 |
| themayor | volume control and virt improved console | 22:50 |
| themayor | any takers? | 22:50 |
| themayor | its just a short interview | 22:50 |
| themayor | pretty please? | 22:50 |
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| moixs | As a sidenote (I sent a mail to spevack about this), I'm starting my bachelor thesis really soon this I'll be less present for the 2 next months. That's why I don't pick up any heavy tasks at the moment. | 22:51 |
| themayor | ah k | 22:51 |
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| themayor | well moixs thanks for everything that you do | 22:51 |
| e1luca1 | good luck with the exams | 22:51 |
| themayor | okay i guess there are no takers, im going to start prodding people senselessly in private | 22:52 |
| themayor | herlo: didnt you mention you wanted one? | 22:52 |
| moixs | e1luca1: the exams are over, only the thesis is left :) | 22:52 |
| moixs | (which is heavily Fedora based btw) | 22:52 |
| e1luca1 | well put a lot of graphs looks thicker ;) | 22:53 |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:53 |
| themayor | okay so im going to wrap up, except for one point | 22:54 |
| themayor | next week | 22:54 |
| themayor | we need to start working on the press kit | 22:54 |
| themayor | be prepared with ideas for next week | 22:54 |
| themayor | moixs: dont know if youll be able to make it, but its a good auxiliary to the NDN | 22:54 |
| moixs | yep, send it in the meeting reminder too | 22:55 |
| e1luca1 | @ the mayor: pls explain a little the task left untaken about the features. I might try somethig | 22:55 |
| themayor | e1luca1: hold on ill link you | 22:55 |
| moixs | themayor: don't worry, I'm not overloaded with work at *that* point, I'll still assume some tasks and assist to the meetings ;) | 22:56 |
| themayor | F11_in-depth_features | 22:56 |
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| themayor | my internet is ass slow today for some reason | 22:56 |
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| e1luca1 | is it to late if I figure out if I can do it by day after tomorrow? | 22:58 |
| themayor | no | 22:58 |
| themayor | we have time | 22:58 |
| themayor | we have until the beta | 22:58 |
| themayor | e1luca1: there is an example under packagekit | 22:58 |
| themayor | and i have one about the kernel mode setting which i will put up as soon as ajax finished answering some questions for me | 22:58 |
| themayor | hes been busy last two days unfortunately | 22:59 |
| e1luca1 | k. I'll register on the wiki if I'll do it. | 22:59 |
| themayor | some bug that hes tracking down | 22:59 |
| themayor | thanks | 22:59 |
| themayor | alright folks, thats about ti | 22:59 |