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People present (lines said):
People present (lines said):
#  jlaska (63)
# adamw (44)
# kparal (40)
# j_dulaney (33)
# maxamillion (24)
# Viking-Ice (16)
# fenris02 (10)
# vaschenb (6)
# zodbot (5)
# jeff_hann (2)


Regrets:
Regrets:
* [[User:liam|liam]]
# [[User:liam|liam]]
* [[User:rhe|rhe]]
# [[User:rhe|rhe]]
* [[User:wwoods|wwoods]]
# [[User:wwoods|wwoods]]
* [[User:jskladan|jskladan]]
# [[User:jskladan|jskladan]]


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-July/092176.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-July/092176.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [FIXME MeetBot summary]
* [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-07-19/fedora-qa.2010-07-19-15.00.html MeetBot summary]


== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
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:: Finalize [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000815.html test base class patchset]
:: Finalize [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000815.html test base class patchset]
:: Finalize [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000820.html label patchset]
:: Finalize [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000820.html label patchset]
: Work continues ...
:: vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
:: kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables
:: kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients
; Next steps...
; Next steps...
# Start picking up tickets in the above milestones
: Outstanding patchsets
:: Helloworld test (vaschenb)
:: test-specific labels support (kparal)
:: common base class for all autoqa tests (jskladan)
: Continue progress towards depcheck milestones


== Proventester Update ==
== Proventester Update ==
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: [[Proven_tester]] updated as the result of several proposed wiki drafts
: [[Proven_tester]] updated as the result of several proposed wiki drafts
; Next steps
; Next steps
: Discuss generating recurring critpath+proventester metrics
: Generating critpath+proventester metrics -- see {{ticket|bodhi|456}}


= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
== Proventester FAS requests ==
; Owner - [[User:Maxamillion]]
; Summary
: Adam Miller asked if we should check on the open FAS ''proventester'' requests in each meeting
; Next steps
: maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request check-in


= Upcoming QA events =
= Upcoming QA events =
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= Action items =
= Action items =


# maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin


= IRC Transcript =
= IRC Transcript =
{|
|- id="t15:00:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t15:00:10|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Jul 19 15:00:10 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:10|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:10|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:15|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:15|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Gathering in the lobby
|| [[#t15:00:19|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hey gang, I'll wait a few minutes for folks to join
|| [[#t15:00:37|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:45"
| colspan="2" | * kparal in
|| [[#t15:00:45|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | morning
|| [[#t15:00:56|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:16"
| colspan="2" | * fenris02 waves
|| [[#t15:01:16|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:23"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney is here and in better shape than last week, or at least he things so.
|| [[#t15:01:23|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | thinks^^
|| [[#t15:01:36|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | maybe not
|| [[#t15:01:44|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | someone mail j_dulaney the tylenol
|| [[#t15:01:59|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | let's get a shipment out stat!
|| [[#t15:02:30|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:08"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice here
|| [[#t15:03:08|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, I think we have everyone.  I see maxamillion and vaschenb lurking too
|| [[#t15:03:18|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan and wwoods will be out today
|| [[#t15:03:24|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:03:44|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:08"
| colspan="2" | * vaschenb in
|| [[#t15:04:08|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I have a proventester follow-up item on the list from last week ... but we can hold that until the main proventester topic
|| [[#t15:04:11|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vaschenb: welcome :D
|| [[#t15:04:20|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: any objections?
|| [[#t15:04:31|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:47"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vaschenb
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: thx:-)
|| [[#t15:04:47|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | sure
|| [[#t15:04:49|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so that's it for follow-up from last week ... unless I missed anything?
|| [[#t15:05:21|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, diving into the proposed agenda
|| [[#t15:06:08|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic  Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
|| [[#t15:06:13|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Just a quick heads up ... we had another batch of install images posted last week (thanks clumens and Oxf13) for automated testing
|| [[#t15:06:46|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Testing just about completed - results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2
|| [[#t15:07:08|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll post a summary to the mailing list ... the good news is there seems to be a lack of flames with these images
|| [[#t15:07:31|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:43"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | starts to look greenish
|| [[#t15:07:43|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't know if that means the big changes haven't landed yet, or something else
|| [[#t15:07:55|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | anaconda team says they haven't changed a lot
|| [[#t15:08:10|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | they were kinda surprised that we'd hit *any* blocker issues
|| [[#t15:08:19|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | right, that could be the big factor
|| [[#t15:08:24|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so this milestone isn't intended to be an exhaustive run through the matrix, just a "does it smell" check-point
|| [[#t15:08:47|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:49"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | bah!
|| [[#t15:08:49|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:51"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion is here
|| [[#t15:08:51|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: welcome :)
|| [[#t15:08:56|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:03"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | what about systemd is going in alpha?
|| [[#t15:09:03|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:24"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: thankies .... not sure how I pulled off being late when I never left my desk
|| [[#t15:09:24|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: last I checked it's in rawhide, but not enabled by default
|| [[#t15:09:25|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska will post test summary to the list in the next day
|| [[#t15:09:42|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | lennart wanted to flip the switch on systemd last week
|| [[#t15:10:01|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info The 3rd (and final) pre-alpha acceptance test run is scheduled for this Thursday
|| [[#t15:10:03|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:04"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | jlaska: what was what I was wondering about if it would be on by default
|| [[#t15:10:04|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | in alpha
|| [[#t15:10:12|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:25"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | the sooner the better
|| [[#t15:10:25|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | agreed
|| [[#t15:10:28|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:41"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | until systemd has a working policy that allows selinux/enforcing, i would nix it
|| [[#t15:10:41|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | mostly it's held up by a bug which makes it fail to work if selinux is turned on
|| [[#t15:10:48|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:53"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i'd quote the bug number but i can't find it
|| [[#t15:10:53|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:57"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I thought Dan had fixed that
|| [[#t15:10:57|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | fenris02, do you have it to hand?
|| [[#t15:10:59|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:14"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | adamw, i'm cc'd on it .. moment
|| [[#t15:11:14|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | so ... I am going to play the noob real quick, what's systemd?
|| [[#t15:11:18|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:19"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Viking-Ice: I thought the same thing?
|| [[#t15:11:19|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | maxamillion: new init system, written by lennart
|| [[#t15:11:28|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it's the pulseaudio of system startup!
|| [[#t15:11:33|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | bug #614574
|| [[#t15:11:36|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: don't phrase it like that! :D
|| [[#t15:11:43|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: wait, its going to replace upstart?
|| [[#t15:11:46|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 614574
|| [[#t15:11:55|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | jlaska: Bug 614574 tracker : SELinux policy for Systemd - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=614574
|| [[#t15:11:56|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it's going to place sysv.
|| [[#t15:11:56|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:58"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | maxamillion, correct. upstart is too unstable
|| [[#t15:11:58|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=183943
|| [[#t15:12:02|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | yes!!!!!
|| [[#t15:12:03|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | I freaking hate upstart
|| [[#t15:12:07|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... so next topic ...
|| [[#t15:12:07|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | maxamillion: yeah, it's going to replace it.
|| [[#t15:12:11|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: rock
|| [[#t15:12:11|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Package update acceptance plan
|| [[#t15:12:17|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:19"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion does a little dance
|| [[#t15:12:19|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:22"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | maxamillion, check out the whitepaper on systemd.  once it works, it sounds awesome
|| [[#t15:12:22|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:28"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | * Wed Jul 14 2010 Dan Walsh &lt;dwalsh@redhat.com&gt; 3.8.7-2 - Make boot with systemd in enforcing mode
|| [[#t15:12:28|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | fenris02: I will do so shortly
|| [[#t15:12:32|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:48"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | systemd is pretty cool; I like the code, too
|| [[#t15:12:48|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | rather elegant, in my opinion
|| [[#t15:13:00|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:04"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | guys, the topic changed... :)
|| [[#t15:13:04|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Oh
|| [[#t15:13:10|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we can talk about systemd in open-discussion if there are any more topics
|| [[#t15:13:13|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | sorry to contribute to derailing the meeting :P
|| [[#t15:13:18|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we all ignore that jlaska guy and his crazy topic changes
|| [[#t15:13:19|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: cranes
|| [[#t15:13:27|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | =)
|| [[#t15:13:31|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:42"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | ok, so ... package update acceptance plan :)
|| [[#t15:13:42|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | go!
|| [[#t15:13:47|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal and vaschenb are representing the AutoQA masses today
|| [[#t15:13:49|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:01"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | two masses :)
|| [[#t15:14:01|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:05"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska notes wwoods and jskladan are out enjoying life hopefully
|| [[#t15:14:05|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | to me, this IS life
|| [[#t15:14:23|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so kparal ... any big items to report on ... there's been quite a flury of activity on autoqa-devel@ in the past 2 weeks
|| [[#t15:14:36|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:48"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | alright, so let me say a few words about the past week or so
|| [[#t15:14:48|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:49"
| colspan="2" | * adamw bets wwoods is slumped over a bar somewhere saying 'yum upgrade? let me TELL you about yum upgrades...'
|| [[#t15:14:49|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:50"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice is so fortunate to not having a life..
|| [[#t15:14:50|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:24"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: LOL
|| [[#t15:15:24|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Yeah, I'm still trying to dig through all the emails
|| [[#t15:15:28|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | unfortunatelly our main autoqa architect wwoods is somewhere out there, so our patches are not really submitted to master
|| [[#t15:15:36|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:01"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | but vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
|| [[#t15:16:01|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:06"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney notes that next time he gets sick, he should turn off mail receiving from the mailing lists
|| [[#t15:16:06|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
|| [[#t15:16:15|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:30"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | he can surely say a few words about it, go, vaschenb :)
|| [[#t15:16:30|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:34"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion has to run afk
|| [[#t15:16:34|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Peace, bro
|| [[#t15:16:40|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:00"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vaschenb
| style="color: #488888" | kparal: I'm just listener :-)
|| [[#t15:17:00|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:13"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vaschenb
| style="color: #488888" | kparal: no write access :-D
|| [[#t15:17:13|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:32"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | alright, so let's say we now have a slightly modified control file
|| [[#t15:17:32|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:46"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | all autoqa variables are in a dictionary now, so it's much easier to get a list of them
|| [[#t15:17:46|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:58"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | which will allow us to do multihook tests
|| [[#t15:17:58|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | (maybe with some more tweaks)
|| [[#t15:18:05|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Is such a list available online?
|| [[#t15:18:16|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:34"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | j_dulaney: not really online, but in the documentation of every hook
|| [[#t15:18:34|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Or, would it be
|| [[#t15:18:40|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:45"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | kparal: ah, thanks
|| [[#t15:18:45|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: I believe vaschenb posted a dump of them to autoqa-devel recently?
|| [[#t15:18:46|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:06"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | the patches are in autoqa-devel, not yet merged to master
|| [[#t15:19:06|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: I'll look for it, I've a million emails built up
|| [[#t15:19:33|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:54"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vaschenb
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: it's helloworld topic...
|| [[#t15:19:54|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | vaschenb: aye aye
|| [[#t15:20:10|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:19"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | and from the my part of the world - I started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables (not just autotest ones).
|| [[#t15:20:19|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:31"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | that means that tests will be able to better control when and how they should run
|| [[#t15:20:31|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | this ties into your labels work, right?
|| [[#t15:20:53|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | for example on which architectures, which autotest labels are required for this test to run, or whether this run should run at all
|| [[#t15:20:54|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ah cool
|| [[#t15:21:00|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | for example we don't have to run initscripts test when we don't have initscript testing support for that particular package
|| [[#t15:21:15|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | which saves resources in the end
|| [[#t15:21:23|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:21:28|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables
|| [[#t15:21:32|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:45"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | similarly to rpmlint, we don't need it to run on every architecture, just on 'any' single architecture
|| [[#t15:21:45|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | so, that's it I guess. stay tuned :)
|| [[#t15:22:18|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | eggsellent, thanks for the updates kparal
|| [[#t15:22:36|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:49"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | and I have created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation today
|| [[#t15:22:49|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:08"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | if you need to install multiple virtual machines as AutoQA clients, this can save you some time and typing
|| [[#t15:23:08|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | sounds like vaschenb's work isn't far from master, wwoods will likely help move that through when he returns
|| [[#t15:23:11|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:47"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: yea, I'm sure his patches are just one review away from master :)
|| [[#t15:23:47|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients
|| [[#t15:23:49|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty ... anything else guys?
|| [[#t15:24:10|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:21"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | this time it's really all from us I believe
|| [[#t15:24:21|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, let's move on to adamw and maxamillion
|| [[#t15:24:55|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Proventester Update
|| [[#t15:25:03|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | well, i dunno that we need to do this every week now
|| [[#t15:25:23|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i think the hard work for proven testers is pretty much done now, we have the process in place and working
|| [[#t15:25:42|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: cool, I'm fine removing it ... I left it on from last week since we still had open items
|| [[#t15:25:43|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | what's open for update from last week?
|| [[#t15:25:50|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | talking to lmacken for guidance on the 2 python scripts he has for generating bodhi metrics
|| [[#t15:26:12|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | okay, yeah, i mailed luke
|| [[#t15:26:34|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | he said he could make metrics stuff happen if we request it, so i opened a ticket
|| [[#t15:26:47|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456
|| [[#t15:26:56|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i put the most important metrics i can think of that we'd need in the ticket
|| [[#t15:27:11|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | can anyone think of any others?
|| [[#t15:27:14|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | oh nice, /me looks
|| [[#t15:27:22|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: nice ... I like those 2 points you noted in the ticket
|| [[#t15:27:51|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | * top proven testers (by feedback left on critpath packages)
|| [[#t15:27:57|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | * a list of critpath updates still requiring proventesters feedback (ordered perhaps by how long since they were submitted)
|| [[#t15:28:00|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Do reverse order, so oldest is first?
|| [[#t15:28:32|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | the top proven tester each week will win free beer!*
|| [[#t15:28:42|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | * - the beer is a lie
|| [[#t15:28:44|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Or is that what was meant
|| [[#t15:28:47|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | j_dulaney: that's probably what i meant, but it's worth clarifying it, thanks =)
|| [[#t15:28:59|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:06"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | adamw: I'm close enough to drive to Raleigh to get beer
|| [[#t15:29:06|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh, that's a good idea, since i'm in vancouver. yes, jlaska in Raleigh is DEFINITELY in charge of providing the free beer
|| [[#t15:29:55|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:58"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | j_dulaney: you would have to travel much further to get a beer from adamw :)
|| [[#t15:29:58|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | heh
|| [[#t15:30:03|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | direct all free beer-related enquiries to jlaska
|| [[#t15:30:04|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | LOL
|| [[#t15:30:12|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:24"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion is back
|| [[#t15:30:24|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:25"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | make sure he only provides imported beer
|| [[#t15:30:25|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:26"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | who handles the free pony?
|| [[#t15:30:26|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:40"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney likes imports
|| [[#t15:30:40|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I've got a fedora-qa ticket open that ties into your metrics thread
|| [[#t15:30:40|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we'll have absolutely no pony handling in THIS qa group, i tell you
|| [[#t15:30:47|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | although NC's Duck Rabit stout's pretty good
|| [[#t15:30:50|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: stop working, we're trying to be silly here! what ticket?
|| [[#t15:31:11|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: anything you want to keep on the list for next week?
|| [[#t15:31:14|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:17"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I think anything will suffice as long is not beer from the state
|| [[#t15:31:17|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Viking-Ice: american microbrews are pretty great. it's only the mass market stuff that sucks. of course, in europe you only get the mass market stuff.
|| [[#t15:31:37|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:52"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yup
|| [[#t15:31:52|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: ticket#93
|| [[#t15:32:21|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:30"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | Franziskaner for everyone! :D
|| [[#t15:32:30|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: i don't think there's anything we need to keep as a weekly checkin, we can put the metrics in as a meeting topic in future if we ever need to i guess
|| [[#t15:32:34|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: okay
|| [[#t15:32:55|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | maxamillion: anything you can think of to check in on for proventesters in future meetings?
|| [[#t15:32:59|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:01"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska notes ... there goes my left-click :(
|| [[#t15:33:01|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: same bug we've been talking about on the list?
|| [[#t15:33:18|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: not that I can think of, I think we're pretty much full swing ... all the action items that I know of have been completed
|| [[#t15:33:23|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:31"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: redundancy, man,  redundancy
|| [[#t15:33:31|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah
|| [[#t15:33:31|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, it's open discussion time
|| [[#t15:33:40|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:46"
| colspan="2" | * jeff_hann here, sorry
|| [[#t15:33:46|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open discussion - &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:33:50|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: try yanking the mouse cord? it hasn't happened to me again yet, i'm curious to see if that helps
|| [[#t15:33:52|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:54"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #9b519b" | just got home from work
|| [[#t15:33:54|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | beer?
|| [[#t15:33:59|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: didn't help :(
|| [[#t15:34:07|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | ooh. interesting bug...wonder what it is
|| [[#t15:34:21|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:35"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney has mouse and tablet, so if one dies, in theory, the other should still work
|| [[#t15:34:35|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair kparal
|| [[#t15:34:53|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:53"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: jlaska kparal
|| [[#t15:34:53|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:16"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I say we ditch mouse and touchpads all together and go keyboard only
|| [[#t15:35:16|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: Can you guide us through to the finish line, I'm double booked
|| [[#t15:35:17|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: sure
|| [[#t15:35:23|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:35"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | it may be very short
|| [[#t15:35:35|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | does anyone have any open floor topic?
|| [[#t15:35:42|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | does anyone have a NON-BEER-RELATED open floor topic?
|| [[#t15:35:51|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Not I
|| [[#t15:35:51|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:59"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | I kinda have one
|| [[#t15:35:59|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: thanks
|| [[#t15:36:08|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | would we want to look into a weekly "this is how many proventester mentor requests are still outstanding, anyone interested?" check-in ?
|| [[#t15:36:27|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | That may be a good thing
|| [[#t15:36:54|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:55"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | #topic outstanding proventester mentor requests
|| [[#t15:36:55|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | maybe in the short term, ypu
|| [[#t15:37:16|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i'd hope we won't really have outstanding requests in the long term
|| [[#t15:37:24|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | It shouldn't take long to run through
|| [[#t15:37:28|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but seems like a solid idea if we do
|| [[#t15:37:37|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:44"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I think we can have a look at it next week
|| [[#t15:37:44|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: right
|| [[#t15:37:46|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:59"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | but generally we shouldn't have any of them outstanding
|| [[#t15:37:59|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:17"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | I'd hope it won't be something that there are many outstanding in the long term but since we're still kinda in the early stages of being live I thought I'd bring it up
|| [[#t15:38:17|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | and now I don't know the tag for marking a follow-up item
|| [[#t15:38:36|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Of course, the average proven tester doesn't have to be a rocket scientest
|| [[#t15:38:56|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: #action
|| [[#t15:39:27|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | something like #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin
|| [[#t15:39:51|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:08"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin
|| [[#t15:40:08|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | :)
|| [[#t15:40:13|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:24"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | LOL
|| [[#t15:40:24|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vaschenb
| style="color: #488888" | hh
|| [[#t15:40:30|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:33"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | alright, anythig else to solve? :)
|| [[#t15:40:33|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:37"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | The selinux policy for systemd in enforcing mode is in place ( selinux-policy-3.8.7-2.fc14 )  thus there should not be anything in the way of allowing systemd to replace upstart in alpha. . ..
|| [[#t15:40:37|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:52"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | #topic Open floor
|| [[#t15:40:52|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:53"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | Viking-Ice, you tested it?
|| [[#t15:40:53|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:25"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney thinks that he'll give it a shot
|| [[#t15:41:25|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:32"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | not in enforcing mode
|| [[#t15:41:32|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Viking-Ice: that's not a qa issue, still. it's a devel issue. once it's in, we can start complaining that it's broken. =)
|| [[#t15:41:33|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:36"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney rather likes systemd
|| [[#t15:41:36|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:46"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | Viking-Ice, last i tried, it failed miserably in enforcing mode.
|| [[#t15:41:46|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:16"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I've been running systemd from the get go however in disabled mode
|| [[#t15:42:16|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:17"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | alright, seems we don't have any other topics to discuss
|| [[#t15:42:17|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:21"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | fenris02
| style="color: #97974f" | j_dulaney, the concept is outstanding.  it's just not ready yet
|| [[#t15:42:21|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:44"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | thanks everyone for joining in
|| [[#t15:42:44|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | maxamillion
| style="color: #4b904b" | happy to have been able to make it back to one of these :)
|| [[#t15:42:58|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:43:05|15:43]]
|}
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  1. jlaska (63)
  2. adamw (44)
  3. kparal (40)
  4. j_dulaney (33)
  5. maxamillion (24)
  6. Viking-Ice (16)
  7. fenris02 (10)
  8. vaschenb (6)
  9. zodbot (5)
  10. jeff_hann (2)

Regrets:

  1. liam
  2. rhe
  3. wwoods
  4. jskladan

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. adamw to talk with lmacken about generating recurring email reports on proventester

Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2

Owner - User:jlaska
Summary
Per task#6 on the fedora-qa schedule, a rawhide acceptance test run was scheduled for 2010-07-15.
See rel-eng ticket#3872 , images built on Jul 15, 2010.
Next steps ...
Testing underway, results posted to Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2
Test summary will be sent to test@lists.fedoraproject.org

AutoQA PUATP

Owner - User:wwoods
Summary
In order to accomplish the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan, wwoods proposed prioritizing the following autoqa milestones
depcheck
multi-hook test support
Finalize test base class patchset
Finalize label patchset
Work continues ...
vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables
kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients
Next steps...
Outstanding patchsets
Helloworld test (vaschenb)
test-specific labels support (kparal)
common base class for all autoqa tests (jskladan)
Continue progress towards depcheck milestones

Proventester Update

Owner - User:Maxamillion, User:Adamwill
Summary
Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft.
There are several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group.
Proven_tester updated as the result of several proposed wiki drafts
Next steps
Generating critpath+proventester metrics -- see bodhi ticket#456

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Proventester FAS requests

Owner - User:Maxamillion
Summary
Adam Miller asked if we should check on the open FAS proventester requests in each meeting
Next steps
maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request check-in

Upcoming QA events

Action items

  1. maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jul 19 15:00:10 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Gathering in the lobby 15:00
jlaska hey gang, I'll wait a few minutes for folks to join 15:00
* kparal in 15:00
adamw morning 15:00
* fenris02 waves 15:01
* j_dulaney is here and in better shape than last week, or at least he things so. 15:01
j_dulaney thinks^^ 15:01
j_dulaney maybe not 15:01
adamw someone mail j_dulaney the tylenol 15:01
jlaska let's get a shipment out stat! 15:02
* Viking-Ice here 15:03
jlaska alright, I think we have everyone. I see maxamillion and vaschenb lurking too 15:03
jlaska jskladan and wwoods will be out today 15:03
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:03
* vaschenb in 15:04
jlaska I have a proventester follow-up item on the list from last week ... but we can hold that until the main proventester topic 15:04
jlaska vaschenb: welcome :D 15:04
jlaska adamw: any objections? 15:04
vaschenb jlaska: thx:-) 15:04
adamw sure 15:04
jlaska so that's it for follow-up from last week ... unless I missed anything? 15:05
jlaska alright, diving into the proposed agenda 15:06
jlaska #topic Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2 15:06
jlaska Just a quick heads up ... we had another batch of install images posted last week (thanks clumens and Oxf13) for automated testing 15:06
jlaska #info Testing just about completed - results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2 15:07
jlaska I'll post a summary to the mailing list ... the good news is there seems to be a lack of flames with these images 15:07
kparal starts to look greenish 15:07
jlaska I don't know if that means the big changes haven't landed yet, or something else 15:07
adamw anaconda team says they haven't changed a lot 15:08
adamw they were kinda surprised that we'd hit *any* blocker issues 15:08
jlaska right, that could be the big factor 15:08
jlaska so this milestone isn't intended to be an exhaustive run through the matrix, just a "does it smell" check-point 15:08
maxamillion bah! 15:08
* maxamillion is here 15:08
jlaska maxamillion: welcome :) 15:08
Viking-Ice what about systemd is going in alpha? 15:09
maxamillion jlaska: thankies .... not sure how I pulled off being late when I never left my desk 15:09
jlaska Viking-Ice: last I checked it's in rawhide, but not enabled by default 15:09
jlaska #info jlaska will post test summary to the list in the next day 15:09
adamw lennart wanted to flip the switch on systemd last week 15:10
jlaska #info The 3rd (and final) pre-alpha acceptance test run is scheduled for this Thursday 15:10
Viking-Ice jlaska: what was what I was wondering about if it would be on by default 15:10
Viking-Ice in alpha 15:10
Viking-Ice the sooner the better 15:10
jlaska agreed 15:10
fenris02 until systemd has a working policy that allows selinux/enforcing, i would nix it 15:10
adamw mostly it's held up by a bug which makes it fail to work if selinux is turned on 15:10
adamw i'd quote the bug number but i can't find it 15:10
Viking-Ice I thought Dan had fixed that 15:10
adamw fenris02, do you have it to hand? 15:10
fenris02 adamw, i'm cc'd on it .. moment 15:11
maxamillion so ... I am going to play the noob real quick, what's systemd? 15:11
j_dulaney Viking-Ice: I thought the same thing? 15:11
adamw maxamillion: new init system, written by lennart 15:11
adamw it's the pulseaudio of system startup! 15:11
fenris02 bug #614574 15:11
jlaska adamw: don't phrase it like that! :D 15:11
maxamillion adamw: wait, its going to replace upstart? 15:11
jlaska .bug 614574 15:11
zodbot jlaska: Bug 614574 tracker : SELinux policy for Systemd - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=614574 15:11
adamw it's going to place sysv. 15:11
fenris02 maxamillion, correct. upstart is too unstable 15:11
Viking-Ice http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=183943 15:12
maxamillion yes!!!!! 15:12
maxamillion I freaking hate upstart 15:12
jlaska okay ... so next topic ... 15:12
adamw maxamillion: yeah, it's going to replace it. 15:12
maxamillion adamw: rock 15:12
jlaska #topic Package update acceptance plan 15:12
* maxamillion does a little dance 15:12
fenris02 maxamillion, check out the whitepaper on systemd. once it works, it sounds awesome 15:12
Viking-Ice * Wed Jul 14 2010 Dan Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com> 3.8.7-2 - Make boot with systemd in enforcing mode 15:12
maxamillion fenris02: I will do so shortly 15:12
j_dulaney systemd is pretty cool; I like the code, too 15:12
j_dulaney rather elegant, in my opinion 15:13
kparal guys, the topic changed... :) 15:13
j_dulaney Oh 15:13
jlaska we can talk about systemd in open-discussion if there are any more topics 15:13
maxamillion sorry to contribute to derailing the meeting :P 15:13
adamw we all ignore that jlaska guy and his crazy topic changes 15:13
jlaska adamw: cranes 15:13
adamw =) 15:13
maxamillion ok, so ... package update acceptance plan :) 15:13
maxamillion go! 15:13
jlaska kparal and vaschenb are representing the AutoQA masses today 15:13
kparal two masses :) 15:14
* jlaska notes wwoods and jskladan are out enjoying life hopefully 15:14
j_dulaney to me, this IS life 15:14
jlaska so kparal ... any big items to report on ... there's been quite a flury of activity on autoqa-devel@ in the past 2 weeks 15:14
kparal alright, so let me say a few words about the past week or so 15:14
* adamw bets wwoods is slumped over a bar somewhere saying 'yum upgrade? let me TELL you about yum upgrades...' 15:14
* Viking-Ice is so fortunate to not having a life.. 15:14
maxamillion adamw: LOL 15:15
j_dulaney Yeah, I'm still trying to dig through all the emails 15:15
kparal unfortunatelly our main autoqa architect wwoods is somewhere out there, so our patches are not really submitted to master 15:15
kparal but vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff 15:16
* j_dulaney notes that next time he gets sick, he should turn off mail receiving from the mailing lists 15:16
jlaska #info vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff 15:16
kparal he can surely say a few words about it, go, vaschenb :) 15:16
* maxamillion has to run afk 15:16
j_dulaney Peace, bro 15:16
vaschenb kparal: I'm just listener :-) 15:17
vaschenb kparal: no write access :-D 15:17
kparal alright, so let's say we now have a slightly modified control file 15:17
kparal all autoqa variables are in a dictionary now, so it's much easier to get a list of them 15:17
kparal which will allow us to do multihook tests 15:17
kparal (maybe with some more tweaks) 15:18
j_dulaney Is such a list available online? 15:18
kparal j_dulaney: not really online, but in the documentation of every hook 15:18
j_dulaney Or, would it be 15:18
j_dulaney kparal: ah, thanks 15:18
jlaska j_dulaney: I believe vaschenb posted a dump of them to autoqa-devel recently? 15:18
kparal the patches are in autoqa-devel, not yet merged to master 15:19
j_dulaney jlaska: I'll look for it, I've a million emails built up 15:19
vaschenb j_dulaney: it's helloworld topic... 15:19
j_dulaney vaschenb: aye aye 15:20
kparal and from the my part of the world - I started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables (not just autotest ones). 15:20
kparal that means that tests will be able to better control when and how they should run 15:20
jlaska this ties into your labels work, right? 15:20
kparal for example on which architectures, which autotest labels are required for this test to run, or whether this run should run at all 15:20
jlaska ah cool 15:21
kparal for example we don't have to run initscripts test when we don't have initscript testing support for that particular package 15:21
kparal which saves resources in the end 15:21
j_dulaney Indeed 15:21
jlaska #info kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables 15:21
kparal similarly to rpmlint, we don't need it to run on every architecture, just on 'any' single architecture 15:21
kparal so, that's it I guess. stay tuned :) 15:22
jlaska eggsellent, thanks for the updates kparal 15:22
kparal and I have created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation today 15:22
kparal if you need to install multiple virtual machines as AutoQA clients, this can save you some time and typing 15:23
jlaska sounds like vaschenb's work isn't far from master, wwoods will likely help move that through when he returns 15:23
kparal jlaska: yea, I'm sure his patches are just one review away from master :) 15:23
jlaska #info kparal created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automate_AutoQA_clients_installation to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients 15:23
jlaska alrighty ... anything else guys? 15:24
kparal this time it's really all from us I believe 15:24
jlaska okay, let's move on to adamw and maxamillion 15:24
jlaska #topic Proventester Update 15:25
adamw well, i dunno that we need to do this every week now 15:25
adamw i think the hard work for proven testers is pretty much done now, we have the process in place and working 15:25
jlaska adamw: cool, I'm fine removing it ... I left it on from last week since we still had open items 15:25
adamw what's open for update from last week? 15:25
jlaska talking to lmacken for guidance on the 2 python scripts he has for generating bodhi metrics 15:26
adamw okay, yeah, i mailed luke 15:26
adamw he said he could make metrics stuff happen if we request it, so i opened a ticket 15:26
adamw https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456 15:26
adamw i put the most important metrics i can think of that we'd need in the ticket 15:27
adamw can anyone think of any others? 15:27
jlaska oh nice, /me looks 15:27
jlaska adamw: nice ... I like those 2 points you noted in the ticket 15:27
jlaska * top proven testers (by feedback left on critpath packages) 15:27
jlaska * a list of critpath updates still requiring proventesters feedback (ordered perhaps by how long since they were submitted) 15:28
j_dulaney Do reverse order, so oldest is first? 15:28
adamw the top proven tester each week will win free beer!* 15:28
adamw * - the beer is a lie 15:28
j_dulaney Or is that what was meant 15:28
adamw j_dulaney: that's probably what i meant, but it's worth clarifying it, thanks =) 15:28
j_dulaney adamw: I'm close enough to drive to Raleigh to get beer 15:29
adamw oh, that's a good idea, since i'm in vancouver. yes, jlaska in Raleigh is DEFINITELY in charge of providing the free beer 15:29
kparal j_dulaney: you would have to travel much further to get a beer from adamw :) 15:29
kparal heh 15:30
adamw direct all free beer-related enquiries to jlaska 15:30
j_dulaney LOL 15:30
* maxamillion is back 15:30
Viking-Ice make sure he only provides imported beer 15:30
fenris02 who handles the free pony? 15:30
* j_dulaney likes imports 15:30
jlaska I've got a fedora-qa ticket open that ties into your metrics thread 15:30
adamw we'll have absolutely no pony handling in THIS qa group, i tell you 15:30
j_dulaney although NC's Duck Rabit stout's pretty good 15:30
adamw jlaska: stop working, we're trying to be silly here! what ticket? 15:31
jlaska adamw: anything you want to keep on the list for next week? 15:31
Viking-Ice I think anything will suffice as long is not beer from the state 15:31
adamw Viking-Ice: american microbrews are pretty great. it's only the mass market stuff that sucks. of course, in europe you only get the mass market stuff. 15:31
Viking-Ice yup 15:31
jlaska adamw: ticket#93 15:32
maxamillion Franziskaner for everyone! :D 15:32
adamw jlaska: i don't think there's anything we need to keep as a weekly checkin, we can put the metrics in as a meeting topic in future if we ever need to i guess 15:32
jlaska adamw: okay 15:32
adamw maxamillion: anything you can think of to check in on for proventesters in future meetings? 15:32
* jlaska notes ... there goes my left-click :( 15:33
adamw jlaska: same bug we've been talking about on the list? 15:33
maxamillion adamw: not that I can think of, I think we're pretty much full swing ... all the action items that I know of have been completed 15:33
j_dulaney jlaska: redundancy, man, redundancy 15:33
jlaska adamw: yeah 15:33
jlaska okay, it's open discussion time 15:33
* jeff_hann here, sorry 15:33
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <your topic here> 15:33
adamw jlaska: try yanking the mouse cord? it hasn't happened to me again yet, i'm curious to see if that helps 15:33
jeff_hann just got home from work 15:33
j_dulaney beer? 15:33
jlaska adamw: didn't help :( 15:34
adamw ooh. interesting bug...wonder what it is 15:34
* j_dulaney has mouse and tablet, so if one dies, in theory, the other should still work 15:34
jlaska #chair kparal 15:34
zodbot Current chairs: jlaska kparal 15:34
Viking-Ice I say we ditch mouse and touchpads all together and go keyboard only 15:35
jlaska kparal: Can you guide us through to the finish line, I'm double booked 15:35
kparal jlaska: sure 15:35
kparal it may be very short 15:35
kparal does anyone have any open floor topic? 15:35
adamw does anyone have a NON-BEER-RELATED open floor topic? 15:35
j_dulaney Not I 15:35
maxamillion I kinda have one 15:35
jlaska kparal: thanks 15:36
maxamillion would we want to look into a weekly "this is how many proventester mentor requests are still outstanding, anyone interested?" check-in ? 15:36
j_dulaney That may be a good thing 15:36
kparal #topic outstanding proventester mentor requests 15:36
adamw maybe in the short term, ypu 15:37
adamw i'd hope we won't really have outstanding requests in the long term 15:37
j_dulaney It shouldn't take long to run through 15:37
adamw but seems like a solid idea if we do 15:37
kparal I think we can have a look at it next week 15:37
maxamillion adamw: right 15:37
kparal but generally we shouldn't have any of them outstanding 15:37
maxamillion I'd hope it won't be something that there are many outstanding in the long term but since we're still kinda in the early stages of being live I thought I'd bring it up 15:38
kparal and now I don't know the tag for marking a follow-up item 15:38
j_dulaney Of course, the average proven tester doesn't have to be a rocket scientest 15:38
adamw kparal: #action 15:39
adamw something like #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin 15:39
kparal #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin 15:40
maxamillion :) 15:40
j_dulaney LOL 15:40
vaschenb hh 15:40
kparal alright, anythig else to solve? :) 15:40
Viking-Ice The selinux policy for systemd in enforcing mode is in place ( selinux-policy-3.8.7-2.fc14 ) thus there should not be anything in the way of allowing systemd to replace upstart in alpha. . .. 15:40
kparal #topic Open floor 15:40
fenris02 Viking-Ice, you tested it? 15:40
* j_dulaney thinks that he'll give it a shot 15:41
Viking-Ice not in enforcing mode 15:41
adamw Viking-Ice: that's not a qa issue, still. it's a devel issue. once it's in, we can start complaining that it's broken. =) 15:41
* j_dulaney rather likes systemd 15:41
fenris02 Viking-Ice, last i tried, it failed miserably in enforcing mode. 15:41
Viking-Ice I've been running systemd from the get go however in disabled mode 15:42
kparal alright, seems we don't have any other topics to discuss 15:42
fenris02 j_dulaney, the concept is outstanding. it's just not ready yet 15:42
kparal thanks everyone for joining in 15:42
maxamillion happy to have been able to make it back to one of these :) 15:42
kparal #endmeeting 15:43

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