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People present (lines said):

  1. jlaska (63)
  2. adamw (44)
  3. kparal (40)
  4. j_dulaney (33)
  5. maxamillion (24)
  6. Viking-Ice (16)
  7. fenris02 (10)
  8. vaschenb (6)
  9. zodbot (5)
  10. jeff_hann (2)


  1. liam
  2. rhe
  3. wwoods
  4. jskladan


Previous meeting follow-up

  1. adamw to talk with lmacken about generating recurring email reports on proventester

Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2

Owner - User:jlaska
Per task#6 on the fedora-qa schedule, a rawhide acceptance test run was scheduled for 2010-07-15.
See rel-eng ticket#3872 , images built on Jul 15, 2010.
Next steps ...
Testing underway, results posted to Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2
Test summary will be sent to


Owner - User:wwoods
In order to accomplish the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan, wwoods proposed prioritizing the following autoqa milestones
multi-hook test support
Finalize test base class patchset
Finalize label patchset
Work continues ...
vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff
kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables
kparal created to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients
Next steps...
Outstanding patchsets
Helloworld test (vaschenb)
test-specific labels support (kparal)
common base class for all autoqa tests (jskladan)
Continue progress towards depcheck milestones

Proventester Update

Owner - User:Maxamillion, User:Adamwill
Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft.
There are several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group.
Proven_tester updated as the result of several proposed wiki drafts
Next steps
Generating critpath+proventester metrics -- see bodhi ticket#456

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Proventester FAS requests

Owner - User:Maxamillion
Adam Miller asked if we should check on the open FAS proventester requests in each meeting
Next steps
maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request check-in

Upcoming QA events

Action items

  1. maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jul 19 15:00:10 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Gathering in the lobby 15:00
jlaska hey gang, I'll wait a few minutes for folks to join 15:00
* kparal in 15:00
adamw morning 15:00
* fenris02 waves 15:01
* j_dulaney is here and in better shape than last week, or at least he things so. 15:01
j_dulaney thinks^^ 15:01
j_dulaney maybe not 15:01
adamw someone mail j_dulaney the tylenol 15:01
jlaska let's get a shipment out stat! 15:02
* Viking-Ice here 15:03
jlaska alright, I think we have everyone. I see maxamillion and vaschenb lurking too 15:03
jlaska jskladan and wwoods will be out today 15:03
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:03
* vaschenb in 15:04
jlaska I have a proventester follow-up item on the list from last week ... but we can hold that until the main proventester topic 15:04
jlaska vaschenb: welcome :D 15:04
jlaska adamw: any objections? 15:04
vaschenb jlaska: thx:-) 15:04
adamw sure 15:04
jlaska so that's it for follow-up from last week ... unless I missed anything? 15:05
jlaska alright, diving into the proposed agenda 15:06
jlaska #topic Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2 15:06
jlaska Just a quick heads up ... we had another batch of install images posted last week (thanks clumens and Oxf13) for automated testing 15:06
jlaska #info Testing just about completed - results at 15:07
jlaska I'll post a summary to the mailing list ... the good news is there seems to be a lack of flames with these images 15:07
kparal starts to look greenish 15:07
jlaska I don't know if that means the big changes haven't landed yet, or something else 15:07
adamw anaconda team says they haven't changed a lot 15:08
adamw they were kinda surprised that we'd hit *any* blocker issues 15:08
jlaska right, that could be the big factor 15:08
jlaska so this milestone isn't intended to be an exhaustive run through the matrix, just a "does it smell" check-point 15:08
maxamillion bah! 15:08
* maxamillion is here 15:08
jlaska maxamillion: welcome :) 15:08
Viking-Ice what about systemd is going in alpha? 15:09
maxamillion jlaska: thankies .... not sure how I pulled off being late when I never left my desk 15:09
jlaska Viking-Ice: last I checked it's in rawhide, but not enabled by default 15:09
jlaska #info jlaska will post test summary to the list in the next day 15:09
adamw lennart wanted to flip the switch on systemd last week 15:10
jlaska #info The 3rd (and final) pre-alpha acceptance test run is scheduled for this Thursday 15:10
Viking-Ice jlaska: what was what I was wondering about if it would be on by default 15:10
Viking-Ice in alpha 15:10
Viking-Ice the sooner the better 15:10
jlaska agreed 15:10
fenris02 until systemd has a working policy that allows selinux/enforcing, i would nix it 15:10
adamw mostly it's held up by a bug which makes it fail to work if selinux is turned on 15:10
adamw i'd quote the bug number but i can't find it 15:10
Viking-Ice I thought Dan had fixed that 15:10
adamw fenris02, do you have it to hand? 15:10
fenris02 adamw, i'm cc'd on it .. moment 15:11
maxamillion so ... I am going to play the noob real quick, what's systemd? 15:11
j_dulaney Viking-Ice: I thought the same thing? 15:11
adamw maxamillion: new init system, written by lennart 15:11
adamw it's the pulseaudio of system startup! 15:11
fenris02 bug #614574 15:11
jlaska adamw: don't phrase it like that! :D 15:11
maxamillion adamw: wait, its going to replace upstart? 15:11
jlaska .bug 614574 15:11
zodbot jlaska: Bug 614574 tracker : SELinux policy for Systemd - 15:11
adamw it's going to place sysv. 15:11
fenris02 maxamillion, correct. upstart is too unstable 15:11
Viking-Ice 15:12
maxamillion yes!!!!! 15:12
maxamillion I freaking hate upstart 15:12
jlaska okay ... so next topic ... 15:12
adamw maxamillion: yeah, it's going to replace it. 15:12
maxamillion adamw: rock 15:12
jlaska #topic Package update acceptance plan 15:12
* maxamillion does a little dance 15:12
fenris02 maxamillion, check out the whitepaper on systemd. once it works, it sounds awesome 15:12
Viking-Ice * Wed Jul 14 2010 Dan Walsh <> 3.8.7-2 - Make boot with systemd in enforcing mode 15:12
maxamillion fenris02: I will do so shortly 15:12
j_dulaney systemd is pretty cool; I like the code, too 15:12
j_dulaney rather elegant, in my opinion 15:13
kparal guys, the topic changed... :) 15:13
j_dulaney Oh 15:13
jlaska we can talk about systemd in open-discussion if there are any more topics 15:13
maxamillion sorry to contribute to derailing the meeting :P 15:13
adamw we all ignore that jlaska guy and his crazy topic changes 15:13
jlaska adamw: cranes 15:13
adamw =) 15:13
maxamillion ok, so ... package update acceptance plan :) 15:13
maxamillion go! 15:13
jlaska kparal and vaschenb are representing the AutoQA masses today 15:13
kparal two masses :) 15:14
* jlaska notes wwoods and jskladan are out enjoying life hopefully 15:14
j_dulaney to me, this IS life 15:14
jlaska so kparal ... any big items to report on ... there's been quite a flury of activity on autoqa-devel@ in the past 2 weeks 15:14
kparal alright, so let me say a few words about the past week or so 15:14
* adamw bets wwoods is slumped over a bar somewhere saying 'yum upgrade? let me TELL you about yum upgrades...' 15:14
* Viking-Ice is so fortunate to not having a life.. 15:14
maxamillion adamw: LOL 15:15
j_dulaney Yeah, I'm still trying to dig through all the emails 15:15
kparal unfortunatelly our main autoqa architect wwoods is somewhere out there, so our patches are not really submitted to master 15:15
kparal but vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff 15:16
* j_dulaney notes that next time he gets sick, he should turn off mail receiving from the mailing lists 15:16
jlaska #info vaschenb prepared a helloworld test usable for the newcommers and for us when testing new hooks and stuff 15:16
kparal he can surely say a few words about it, go, vaschenb :) 15:16
* maxamillion has to run afk 15:16
j_dulaney Peace, bro 15:16
vaschenb kparal: I'm just listener :-) 15:17
vaschenb kparal: no write access :-D 15:17
kparal alright, so let's say we now have a slightly modified control file 15:17
kparal all autoqa variables are in a dictionary now, so it's much easier to get a list of them 15:17
kparal which will allow us to do multihook tests 15:17
kparal (maybe with some more tweaks) 15:18
j_dulaney Is such a list available online? 15:18
kparal j_dulaney: not really online, but in the documentation of every hook 15:18
j_dulaney Or, would it be 15:18
j_dulaney kparal: ah, thanks 15:18
jlaska j_dulaney: I believe vaschenb posted a dump of them to autoqa-devel recently? 15:18
kparal the patches are in autoqa-devel, not yet merged to master 15:19
j_dulaney jlaska: I'll look for it, I've a million emails built up 15:19
vaschenb j_dulaney: it's helloworld topic... 15:19
j_dulaney vaschenb: aye aye 15:20
kparal and from the my part of the world - I started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables (not just autotest ones). 15:20
kparal that means that tests will be able to better control when and how they should run 15:20
jlaska this ties into your labels work, right? 15:20
kparal for example on which architectures, which autotest labels are required for this test to run, or whether this run should run at all 15:20
jlaska ah cool 15:21
kparal for example we don't have to run initscripts test when we don't have initscript testing support for that particular package 15:21
kparal which saves resources in the end 15:21
j_dulaney Indeed 15:21
jlaska #info kparal started to work on a new control file for tests, that would handle autoqa variables 15:21
kparal similarly to rpmlint, we don't need it to run on every architecture, just on 'any' single architecture 15:21
kparal so, that's it I guess. stay tuned :) 15:22
jlaska eggsellent, thanks for the updates kparal 15:22
kparal and I have created today 15:22
kparal if you need to install multiple virtual machines as AutoQA clients, this can save you some time and typing 15:23
jlaska sounds like vaschenb's work isn't far from master, wwoods will likely help move that through when he returns 15:23
kparal jlaska: yea, I'm sure his patches are just one review away from master :) 15:23
jlaska #info kparal created to document installing multiple autoqa virt clients 15:23
jlaska alrighty ... anything else guys? 15:24
kparal this time it's really all from us I believe 15:24
jlaska okay, let's move on to adamw and maxamillion 15:24
jlaska #topic Proventester Update 15:25
adamw well, i dunno that we need to do this every week now 15:25
adamw i think the hard work for proven testers is pretty much done now, we have the process in place and working 15:25
jlaska adamw: cool, I'm fine removing it ... I left it on from last week since we still had open items 15:25
adamw what's open for update from last week? 15:25
jlaska talking to lmacken for guidance on the 2 python scripts he has for generating bodhi metrics 15:26
adamw okay, yeah, i mailed luke 15:26
adamw he said he could make metrics stuff happen if we request it, so i opened a ticket 15:26
adamw 15:26
adamw i put the most important metrics i can think of that we'd need in the ticket 15:27
adamw can anyone think of any others? 15:27
jlaska oh nice, /me looks 15:27
jlaska adamw: nice ... I like those 2 points you noted in the ticket 15:27
jlaska * top proven testers (by feedback left on critpath packages) 15:27
jlaska * a list of critpath updates still requiring proventesters feedback (ordered perhaps by how long since they were submitted) 15:28
j_dulaney Do reverse order, so oldest is first? 15:28
adamw the top proven tester each week will win free beer!* 15:28
adamw * - the beer is a lie 15:28
j_dulaney Or is that what was meant 15:28
adamw j_dulaney: that's probably what i meant, but it's worth clarifying it, thanks =) 15:28
j_dulaney adamw: I'm close enough to drive to Raleigh to get beer 15:29
adamw oh, that's a good idea, since i'm in vancouver. yes, jlaska in Raleigh is DEFINITELY in charge of providing the free beer 15:29
kparal j_dulaney: you would have to travel much further to get a beer from adamw :) 15:29
kparal heh 15:30
adamw direct all free beer-related enquiries to jlaska 15:30
j_dulaney LOL 15:30
* maxamillion is back 15:30
Viking-Ice make sure he only provides imported beer 15:30
fenris02 who handles the free pony? 15:30
* j_dulaney likes imports 15:30
jlaska I've got a fedora-qa ticket open that ties into your metrics thread 15:30
adamw we'll have absolutely no pony handling in THIS qa group, i tell you 15:30
j_dulaney although NC's Duck Rabit stout's pretty good 15:30
adamw jlaska: stop working, we're trying to be silly here! what ticket? 15:31
jlaska adamw: anything you want to keep on the list for next week? 15:31
Viking-Ice I think anything will suffice as long is not beer from the state 15:31
adamw Viking-Ice: american microbrews are pretty great. it's only the mass market stuff that sucks. of course, in europe you only get the mass market stuff. 15:31
Viking-Ice yup 15:31
jlaska adamw: ticket#93 15:32
maxamillion Franziskaner for everyone! :D 15:32
adamw jlaska: i don't think there's anything we need to keep as a weekly checkin, we can put the metrics in as a meeting topic in future if we ever need to i guess 15:32
jlaska adamw: okay 15:32
adamw maxamillion: anything you can think of to check in on for proventesters in future meetings? 15:32
* jlaska notes ... there goes my left-click :( 15:33
adamw jlaska: same bug we've been talking about on the list? 15:33
maxamillion adamw: not that I can think of, I think we're pretty much full swing ... all the action items that I know of have been completed 15:33
j_dulaney jlaska: redundancy, man, redundancy 15:33
jlaska adamw: yeah 15:33
jlaska okay, it's open discussion time 15:33
* jeff_hann here, sorry 15:33
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <your topic here> 15:33
adamw jlaska: try yanking the mouse cord? it hasn't happened to me again yet, i'm curious to see if that helps 15:33
jeff_hann just got home from work 15:33
j_dulaney beer? 15:33
jlaska adamw: didn't help :( 15:34
adamw ooh. interesting bug...wonder what it is 15:34
* j_dulaney has mouse and tablet, so if one dies, in theory, the other should still work 15:34
jlaska #chair kparal 15:34
zodbot Current chairs: jlaska kparal 15:34
Viking-Ice I say we ditch mouse and touchpads all together and go keyboard only 15:35
jlaska kparal: Can you guide us through to the finish line, I'm double booked 15:35
kparal jlaska: sure 15:35
kparal it may be very short 15:35
kparal does anyone have any open floor topic? 15:35
adamw does anyone have a NON-BEER-RELATED open floor topic? 15:35
j_dulaney Not I 15:35
maxamillion I kinda have one 15:35
jlaska kparal: thanks 15:36
maxamillion would we want to look into a weekly "this is how many proventester mentor requests are still outstanding, anyone interested?" check-in ? 15:36
j_dulaney That may be a good thing 15:36
kparal #topic outstanding proventester mentor requests 15:36
adamw maybe in the short term, ypu 15:37
adamw i'd hope we won't really have outstanding requests in the long term 15:37
j_dulaney It shouldn't take long to run through 15:37
adamw but seems like a solid idea if we do 15:37
kparal I think we can have a look at it next week 15:37
maxamillion adamw: right 15:37
kparal but generally we shouldn't have any of them outstanding 15:37
maxamillion I'd hope it won't be something that there are many outstanding in the long term but since we're still kinda in the early stages of being live I thought I'd bring it up 15:38
kparal and now I don't know the tag for marking a follow-up item 15:38
j_dulaney Of course, the average proven tester doesn't have to be a rocket scientest 15:38
adamw kparal: #action 15:39
adamw something like #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin 15:39
kparal #action maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin 15:40
maxamillion  :) 15:40
j_dulaney LOL 15:40
vaschenb hh 15:40
kparal alright, anythig else to solve? :) 15:40
Viking-Ice The selinux policy for systemd in enforcing mode is in place ( selinux-policy-3.8.7-2.fc14 ) thus there should not be anything in the way of allowing systemd to replace upstart in alpha. . .. 15:40
kparal #topic Open floor 15:40
fenris02 Viking-Ice, you tested it? 15:40
* j_dulaney thinks that he'll give it a shot 15:41
Viking-Ice not in enforcing mode 15:41
adamw Viking-Ice: that's not a qa issue, still. it's a devel issue. once it's in, we can start complaining that it's broken. =) 15:41
* j_dulaney rather likes systemd 15:41
fenris02 Viking-Ice, last i tried, it failed miserably in enforcing mode. 15:41
Viking-Ice I've been running systemd from the get go however in disabled mode 15:42
kparal alright, seems we don't have any other topics to discuss 15:42
fenris02 j_dulaney, the concept is outstanding. it's just not ready yet 15:42
kparal thanks everyone for joining in 15:42
maxamillion happy to have been able to make it back to one of these :) 15:42
kparal #endmeeting 15:43

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