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<tr id="t11:39"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | blocker list: <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Blocker&hide_resolved=1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Blocker&hide_resolved=1</a></td><td><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">woo meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we're ~2 weeks from doing the serious final spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">woo indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I need to gather some better metrics but it looks like we have ~52 blockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">33 on the list, 24 children, 5 blockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">33+24-5=52</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a *lot* of them are in MODIFIED</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is really good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, and a lot have been closed too recently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I've been watching the closures</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah it's been steady</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 stares at the rawhide compose process that is /still/ going.</td><td><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've been closing a couple a day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">unfortunately we've also been adding a couple a day, so..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">some of those are dubious "blockers"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">maybe I need to be better at doing punt->target</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">problem is if it's not on the blocker, some developers don't feel the need to get it done for F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but maybe that's not my problem to worry about</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we need to message that better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> cebbert</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">both of the kernel blockers that are left are kind of dubious</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cebbert: feel free to toss them over at F9Target</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> cebbert</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">one looks like it might be broken hardware</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Target = "We really want this for F9 and will accept freeze breaks for it. But we won't delay the release any further if you don't fix it."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Blocker = "We can't release unless this is fixed."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I cheated, and added a pet bug or 2 to f9blocker, in the hopes of at least getting a maintainer comment.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll play a little good QA guy / bad QA guy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">WE CAN'T RELEASE UNTIL THIS IS FIXED. MAINTAINER, YOUR ASS IS ON THE LINE HERE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"oh now rdieter, don't be so hasty..."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, which 2 bugs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443320">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443320</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Bug 443320: low, low, ---, Kristian Høgsberg, ASSIGNED , Cannot enter keyboard input into kdm after logout</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">seeing as we have >50 bugs and 10 work days to fix 'em all, I'm anxious to be sure they're *seriously* blockers at this point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427383">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427383</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, see, that's really nasty</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Bug 427383: high, medium, ---, Adam Jackson, ASSIGNED , xorg-x11-drv-vesa causes KDE 4 to crash (on some hardware)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd consider that first one a blocker. -vesa... is.. different</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the 1st one is my main concern.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd want ajax's opinion. which is usually: "If you're using -vesa you've already lost"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">:) nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'd be happy with any comment, even that one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ajax said he's making good progress on the f9-x-blockers.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and just going through them one at a time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, he hasn't been complaining about massive impending doom</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> cebbert</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I reported bug 443729 last night; it seems some others are hitting nearly the same problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443729">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443729</a> high, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEW , Cannot install preview release to encrypted partition</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cebbert: sounds like bug 439633</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=439633">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=439633</a> low, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEEDINFO , F9-Beta anaconda crash with PVCreateError</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(which is on the blocker list)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jds2001 sits in the back</td><td><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's possible that udev hasn't created /dev/mapper/luks-sda2 yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">udev races are fuuuuun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">not really</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you might try the debugging stuff as suggested in 439633 (check for udevd / device node)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fun with a capital F-U</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, and I reproduced the notorious "Assertion <code>c->xlib.lock' failed." bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">with vinagre, oddly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">should be fixed, but the package hasn't hit rawhide yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay so. rdieter, I think you can ping ajax if you want a comment about keeping that -vesa bug as a blocker or not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything that's in MODIFIED should be retested and closed ASAP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jds2001: if something's in MODIFIED, but the patch doesn't fix the bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">shrug, I think I'll move it to F9Target, ajax has bigger fish to fry.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does it go back to ASSIGNED or just stay in MODIFIED?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: well, the thing is, lots of reviewers use qemu+live image to test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so if that is busted, things look bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">qemu uses cirrus now, not vesa.  (apparently VirtualBox uses vesa still tho)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ohhhh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'll ping ajax, hear what he has to say.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wwoods: 'not fixed' should be in ASSIGNED</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: it should go back to MODIFIED</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">oops</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">multitasking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jds2001: what?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ack. was using bugzilla wrong. we actually have 64 blockers.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">try go back to ASSIGNED :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k, gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't have any special advice on working on the blockers, and I really don't want to run through all 64</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:07" class="time">12:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if you've got stuff you find questionable, either punt to F9Target or bring it to #fedora-qa and we'll discuss</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but really, the blocker list should only contain things we would delay the release if it was left unfixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">things for which ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">agreed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so.. yeah. keep an eye on 'em? everything seems to be going OK, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jds2001 has been somewhat agressive removing things</td><td><a href="#t12:08" class="time">12:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and now, a quick word about RCs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the RC images will not typically be made public</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but that's OK 'cuz anyone who actually wants to test stuff with images can build their own</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there's anything *really* important we might put some up on the torrent server</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yep, i do  that anyways</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:09" class="time">12:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but, for the most part, I think RHT-internal people will take care of the media-based testcases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 points out FreeBSD where the binaries themselves aren't relaly made public for release testing, releases consisit fo building everything from source on a workstation the day of release</td><td><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">well, if my reading of their release engineering guide is correct</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter shudders</td><td><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">unless you're testing media-based stuff, 99% of the time testing rawhide is *exactly* the same as testing whatever RC we have floating around</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:10" class="time">12:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when we make a first actual RC I'll have a test results page available</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the community folks are welcomed and encouraged to test and fill in squares on the matrix, as always</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll make a post to -devel-list and -test-list when that happens</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I just want to make sure everything's clear</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we aren't hiding anything and we aren't preventing participation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we're dividing up the work in a way that makes sense</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: does it matter if we use pungi to build images and fill in image-based results?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jds2001: as long as you're using the same ks + tree, that should be perfectly acceptable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: /usr/share/fedora-release/rawhide-fedora.ks is still the canonical ks for images, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">will that get an update when we update fedora-release for the RC, or will there be a new file?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wwoods: it'll be named appropriately in fedora-release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and the F-9 package of pungi will also gain an appropriately named copy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:14" class="time">12:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how likely is it that we'll have rc-specific changes that we'll need to put on a web page or something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or is the ks basically stable at this point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and using the packaged one will always be preferred?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:15" class="time">12:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">using the packaged one is preferred, and if we do have to make last minute changes, it'll be commited to the upstream source control so we can point people there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">gotcha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll make a note of that on the matrix page, for testers who want to produce their own images</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay then - anything else we want to discuss? is the plan for the next couple of weeks clear?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: is the schedule accurate for when we're going to start producing RCs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wwoods: I do believe so.  however that Friday is going to be.. interesting.  We're supposed to be moving offices</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">depending on when the move happens is when the first RC starts getting composed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh crap, right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well have fun with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I may be able to spin up something thursday after I land and quickly sync it off somewhere that will be available for testing during the move</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we plan to start making RCs at the end of next week.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay, so yeah. this week and next week: clean up blocker list, retest as much as possible, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">end of next week: RC1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's when I'll make the testing matrix</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we'll shift priorities from Blocker Triage to Release Testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and we'll still get accused of not testing :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then we will summarily kick the ass of the testing and release Fedora 9 to deafening applause, choirs of angels, &c</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ha. yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">sounds great! :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Fedora QA (which does not exist)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">will test Red Hat's desktop product (which also does not exist)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">lol</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this sure is a lot of work for something that doesn't exist</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I guess it's OK 'cuz I don't exist either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, enough nonsense. any other actual discussion topics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">otherwise: meeting ends in 60s</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">there is no fpoon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thanks all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
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