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Attendees

  • adamw (108)
  • j_dulaney (37)
  • kparal (28)
  • maxamillion (6)
  • zodbot (5)
  • tflink (4)
  • dgilmore (4)
  • tflink_ (3)
  • jskladan (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • pschindl (1)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow

  • Group doesn't have a strong feeling either way on this proposal

Upcoming QA events

  • 'TC1' images built for first RATS run appear to be unbootable
  • kparal will try to conduct second RATS run this week as hongqing/twu are on vacation

AutoQA update

  • occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek
  • kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch
  • kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa

Open floor

Action items

  • N/A

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 16:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jan 23 16:00:51 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00
adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 16:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 16:00
adamw #topic roll call 16:01
* tflink is here 16:01
adamw morning, tflink 16:01
* j_dulaney is distracted by hot girl with red purple hair 16:01
* pschindl is here 16:01
* kparal is unfortunately not distracted 16:01
* mkrizek is here 16:01
adamw #chair tflink 16:02
zodbot Current chairs: adamw tflink 16:02
adamw #chair kparal 16:02
zodbot Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink 16:02
* jskladan was distracted by ponies, but eluded the mighty creatures 16:02
j_dulaney Hmm, are they the smart ones for leaving? 16:02
* adamw is distracted by the snow report 16:02
j_dulaney No snow here! 16:03
adamw 25cm...why the hell am I down here 16:03
adamw you people don't deserve me, damnit 16:03
adamw  :P 16:03
j_dulaney And it is *supposed* to be in the 60s tomorrow 16:03
j_dulaney adamw: Where is 'here' 16:03
adamw the 60s are over, man, get with the times 16:03
adamw j_dulaney: sea level. 16:03
tflink wow, I didn't realize that we were in the presense of such greatness 16:03
adamw tflink: you visionless fools! 16:03
j_dulaney adamw: But, I like the music 16:04
* j_dulaney cranks the Jefferson Airplane just to spite adamw 16:04
* maxamillion is here 16:04
j_dulaney Whatup, brah? 16:04
maxamillion not much, been absent for far too long :/ 16:04
adamw heya max 16:04
adamw yeah, you have. you're fired! 16:05
maxamillion adamw: o noes! 16:05
* adamw starts the week off right 16:05
maxamillion  :P 16:05
adamw i love the smell of downsizing in the morning... 16:05
j_dulaney Well, if you want to do all the work yourself ... 16:06
maxamillion ha! 16:06
* j_dulaney quits! 16:06
adamw alrighty 16:06
j_dulaney You can't fire me! 16:06
adamw oh, just you watch 16:06
adamw #topic Previous meeting follow-up 16:06
adamw hah, well you can all fire me now 16:07
adamw cos i had three action items last week and i'm 0 for 3 16:07
adamw #info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow 16:07
adamw #info nope, didn't get to it yet, sorry 16:07
adamw #info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17 16:08
adamw #info ditto, still working on that one 16:08
adamw #info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how to use pjones' check-iso-is-bootable too 16:08
adamw #info and once more...not done yet 16:08
adamw so that's a job well done 16:08
adamw #info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa 16:08
adamw how'd you get on with that, tim? 16:08
tflink fail on that one, I forgot 16:08
kparal I haven't seen lmacken on IRC last week 16:09
kparal I was wondering whether he has vacation or something 16:09
kparal I guess noone knows? 16:09
kparal ah, he's here right now 16:09
kparal interesting, forget my comment 16:09
adamw alrighty 16:09
adamw #info tflink didn't get around to that yet 16:10
adamw 0 for 4! it's like we're mike piazza or something. 16:10
adamw alrighty, since we did such a great job there, let's move right on to the next topic 16:10
adamw #topic Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow 16:10
adamw so, this vaguely touches on us, though it'd really be more bugzappers stuff officially 16:11
adamw did people see the thread on the devel list? 16:11
adamw https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161370.html 16:11
tflink it rings a bell, but I'm not sure that I actually read it 16:11
* j_dulaney saw it 16:11
j_dulaney At least, a little 16:11
* j_dulaney scans to see if he missed anything 16:11
adamw #info sgallagh proposed that the CLOSED UPSTREAM resolution be dropped 16:12
adamw just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that 16:12
adamw i mostly wrote the current page...my concern with the suggestion is it won't stop developers doing what they're doing now anyway, they'll just use a less accurate bugzilla status to describe it. 16:12
adamw so i doubt it'll get sgallagh where he wants to be. 16:12
adamw but just on its merits, it wouldn't be a horrible change. 16:13
j_dulaney Don't axe the whole upstream thing 16:13
j_dulaney Just don't make it closed 16:13
j_dulaney If that makes sense 16:13
adamw there is an Upstream keyword you can use too 16:14
adamw dunno if that's been pointed out in the thread yet 16:14
adamw still, devs who want to close a bug are going to close it, one way or the other, i think. 16:14
j_dulaney True 16:15
adamw anyone else have thoughts? 16:15
adamw i guess not then 16:17
adamw #agreed group doesn't overly mind the proposal either way 16:17
adamw that was easy enough. 16:17
adamw #topic Upcoming QA events 16:18
adamw see http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-quality-tasks.html ! 16:18
adamw so things start heating up for f17 this week 16:18
adamw the first RATS is supposed to be going on right now (though note the built images seem to be non-bootable) 16:18
adamw we have the second RATS run scheduled for thursday, and the first blocker review scheduled for friday 16:19
adamw so everyone get ready for that, and try and finish off your pre-alpha tasks soon if you have 'em 16:19
kparal when you talk about RATS... 16:19
adamw yeah? 16:19
kparal do you mean rats_install test from autoqa? 16:19
adamw more or less 16:20
kparal old or new version? 16:20
kparal because I am working with honqging on that one 16:20
adamw whichever one works? :) 16:20
kparal I reviewed that and found some issues, but hongqing unfortunately went on holiday 16:20
kparal I believe the old one will not work 16:20
adamw the intent is that we get an image and run it through the rats test to see if it's vaguely bootable/installable 16:20
adamw ah. yeah. chinese new year. i really should've taken that one into account. 16:21
kparal and the new one might 16:21
adamw still, good news is we already know the image isn't bootable, that was established on list 16:21
adamw so it's kind of academic 16:21
kparal he'll be back Feb 1 16:21
adamw yeah 16:21
kparal ok then 16:21
adamw would you mind trying to run new rats again with new image on thursday? 16:22
adamw then the following week we have a full TC scheduled, so no more RATS-ing. 16:22
kparal yeah, just ping me 16:22
adamw okay 16:22
adamw the rats thing is bad process as we never documented it, we made a start but then i proposed replacing all rats runs with TCs, maybe for f18 we'll just do that since dgilmore apparently finds it just as easy to spin up a full TC as a single image for RATS testing anyway. 16:23
* maxamillion reads backscroll because co-worker is apparently on a mission to thwart his participation in this meeting 16:23
j_dulaney maxamillion: He's on a mission from God 16:23
adamw heh 16:24
* j_dulaney wonders if the first TC will be death 16:24
adamw #info first rats testing image is non-bootable, second will arrive thursday and kparal will attempt to rats test it 16:24
adamw j_dulaney: always the question 16:24
adamw and yup, blocker meeting this friday, bring your popcorn 16:25
adamw okay, moving along... 16:26
adamw forgot to put this on the schedule, but: 16:26
adamw #topic autoqa update 16:26
adamw what's the news, kparal? 16:26
kparal not as much this week. most kudos go to mkrizek this time. he fixed occasional depcheck crash and also fixed watchers being stuck for eternity sometimes 16:27
kparal I reviewed hongqing's rats_install patch twice and pointed out some problems 16:27
adamw #info occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek 16:28
kparal I can fix some of them but there's at least one hard issue that will require quite some work 16:28
adamw #info kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch 16:28
kparal in the meantime I'm working on centralized configuration class for autoqa. expect more this week 16:29
kparal and that's all I know 16:29
kparal anyone else? 16:29
adamw #info kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa 16:29
adamw tflink_: any news? 16:29
tflink_ adamw: not on autoqa, no 16:30
dgilmore adamw: i have to run exactly the same commands to make a full dvd iso set as i do to just make a boot.iso 16:30
adamw alrighty 16:31
adamw movin' right along, then 16:31
adamw #topic open floor 16:31
adamw anyone got any other issues of concern? 16:31
kparal dgilmore: will there be regular boot.iso composes after f17 branches? 16:31
kparal like daily 16:32
j_dulaney adamw I do 16:32
dgilmore kparal: yes 16:32
dgilmore kparal: we make boot.iso for branched 16:32
dgilmore kparal: but never for rawhide 16:32
kparal great, that's important for rats_install test to have sense 16:32
adamw yeah. 16:32
adamw #info there will be regular boot.iso composes after branching 16:33
adamw j_dulaney: what's your topic? 16:33
j_dulaney adamw: It seems that I'm not getting emails from Trac 16:33
j_dulaney At least, some of them 16:33
j_dulaney I've had several people poke me, wondering why I was ignoring test day tickets 16:33
j_dulaney And I did not know of their existance 16:33
adamw ah 16:33
adamw i don't think you'd get a personal mail automatically, it's not hooked up that way 16:34
adamw you'd have to watch test list for new tickets and cc yourself on them] 16:34
* j_dulaney is subscribed to test list 16:34
adamw i do see all the requests in the test list history, i think 16:34
tflink_ adamw: really, I get 2 emails for every trac ticket that is assigned to me or that I reported 16:34
j_dulaney I'd been getting them automagically that way 16:34
adamw tflink_: test day requests won't be assigned to j_dulaney automatically, though 16:34
adamw so he'll just get the test list mail at first 16:35
tflink_ good point 16:35
kparal correct 16:35
kparal just create a mail filter j_dulaney 16:35
j_dulaney Hmm 16:35
j_dulaney kparal: Already have one 16:35
j_dulaney I'll just poke it and see what pops out 16:35
adamw is there a specific ticket you can give as an example that you didn't get a mail for? 16:36
adamw then i can check the ml archive and see if one was sent 16:36
* j_dulaney looks 16:36
j_dulaney 276 16:38
kparal j_dulaney: it's in the test list. Jan 20 16:38
adamw yeah 16:38
j_dulaney Must have been a fluke in the Interwebz is all I can think of 16:39
adamw but that's the only one i see that you haven't responded to 16:39
adamw so i don't think you've missed a lot 16:39
j_dulaney Dunno 16:40
j_dulaney The Interwebz have failed me 16:40
adamw heh 16:40
adamw WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT 16:40
adamw you can always just check through the web interface for anything you missed 16:40
adamw they're all under 'test day release' at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/report/9 i think 16:40
j_dulaney Righteo 16:41
adamw anything else for open floor, folks? 16:41
* j_dulaney is done 16:42
adamw alrighty then 16:43
adamw let's try and get the pre-alpha stuff rounded up soon (I know I still have stuff to do there...) and get prepped for f17 testing (yay) 16:43
adamw thanks everyone 16:43
adamw #endmeeting 16:43

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