| adamw
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#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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Meeting started Mon Jan 23 16:00:51 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| adamw
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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| adamw
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#topic roll call
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16:01
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| * tflink is here
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16:01
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| adamw
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morning, tflink
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16:01
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| * j_dulaney is distracted by hot girl with red purple hair
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16:01
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| * pschindl is here
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16:01
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| * kparal is unfortunately not distracted
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16:01
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| * mkrizek is here
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16:01
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| adamw
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#chair tflink
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16:02
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Current chairs: adamw tflink
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| adamw
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#chair kparal
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16:02
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink
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16:02
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| * jskladan was distracted by ponies, but eluded the mighty creatures
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16:02
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| j_dulaney
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Hmm, are they the smart ones for leaving?
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16:02
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| * adamw is distracted by the snow report
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16:02
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| j_dulaney
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No snow here!
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16:03
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| adamw
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25cm...why the hell am I down here
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16:03
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| adamw
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you people don't deserve me, damnit
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16:03
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| adamw
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:P
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16:03
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| j_dulaney
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And it is *supposed* to be in the 60s tomorrow
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16:03
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Where is 'here'
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16:03
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| adamw
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the 60s are over, man, get with the times
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16:03
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: sea level.
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16:03
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| tflink
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wow, I didn't realize that we were in the presense of such greatness
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16:03
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| adamw
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tflink: you visionless fools!
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16:03
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: But, I like the music
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16:04
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| * j_dulaney cranks the Jefferson Airplane just to spite adamw
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16:04
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| * maxamillion is here
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16:04
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| j_dulaney
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Whatup, brah?
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16:04
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| maxamillion
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not much, been absent for far too long :/
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16:04
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| adamw
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heya max
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16:04
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| adamw
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yeah, you have. you're fired!
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16:05
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| maxamillion
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adamw: o noes!
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16:05
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| * adamw starts the week off right
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16:05
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| maxamillion
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:P
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16:05
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| adamw
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i love the smell of downsizing in the morning...
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16:05
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| j_dulaney
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Well, if you want to do all the work yourself ...
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16:06
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| maxamillion
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ha!
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16:06
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| * j_dulaney quits!
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16:06
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| adamw
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alrighty
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16:06
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| j_dulaney
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You can't fire me!
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16:06
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| adamw
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oh, just you watch
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16:06
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| adamw
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#topic Previous meeting follow-up
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16:06
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| adamw
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hah, well you can all fire me now
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16:07
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| adamw
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cos i had three action items last week and i'm 0 for 3
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16:07
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| adamw
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#info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow
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16:07
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| adamw
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#info nope, didn't get to it yet, sorry
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16:07
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| adamw
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#info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17
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16:08
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| adamw
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#info ditto, still working on that one
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16:08
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| adamw
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#info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how to use pjones' check-iso-is-bootable too
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16:08
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| adamw
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#info and once more...not done yet
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16:08
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| adamw
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so that's a job well done
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16:08
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| adamw
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#info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa
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16:08
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| adamw
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how'd you get on with that, tim?
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16:08
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| tflink
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fail on that one, I forgot
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16:08
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| kparal
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I haven't seen lmacken on IRC last week
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16:09
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| kparal
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I was wondering whether he has vacation or something
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16:09
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| kparal
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I guess noone knows?
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16:09
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| kparal
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ah, he's here right now
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16:09
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| kparal
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interesting, forget my comment
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| adamw
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alrighty
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16:09
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| adamw
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#info tflink didn't get around to that yet
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16:10
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| adamw
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0 for 4! it's like we're mike piazza or something.
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16:10
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| adamw
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alrighty, since we did such a great job there, let's move right on to the next topic
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| adamw
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#topic Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow
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16:10
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| adamw
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so, this vaguely touches on us, though it'd really be more bugzappers stuff officially
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16:11
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| adamw
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did people see the thread on the devel list?
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| adamw
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https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161370.html
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| tflink
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it rings a bell, but I'm not sure that I actually read it
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16:11
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| * j_dulaney saw it
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16:11
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| j_dulaney
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At least, a little
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16:11
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| * j_dulaney scans to see if he missed anything
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16:11
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| adamw
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#info sgallagh proposed that the CLOSED UPSTREAM resolution be dropped
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16:12
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| adamw
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just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that
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| adamw
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i mostly wrote the current page...my concern with the suggestion is it won't stop developers doing what they're doing now anyway, they'll just use a less accurate bugzilla status to describe it.
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| adamw
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so i doubt it'll get sgallagh where he wants to be.
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| adamw
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but just on its merits, it wouldn't be a horrible change.
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| j_dulaney
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Don't axe the whole upstream thing
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| j_dulaney
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Just don't make it closed
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| j_dulaney
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If that makes sense
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| adamw
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there is an Upstream keyword you can use too
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| adamw
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dunno if that's been pointed out in the thread yet
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| adamw
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still, devs who want to close a bug are going to close it, one way or the other, i think.
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| j_dulaney
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True
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16:15
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| adamw
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anyone else have thoughts?
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16:15
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| adamw
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i guess not then
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16:17
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| adamw
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#agreed group doesn't overly mind the proposal either way
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| adamw
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that was easy enough.
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| adamw
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#topic Upcoming QA events
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| adamw
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see http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-quality-tasks.html !
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| adamw
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so things start heating up for f17 this week
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| adamw
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the first RATS is supposed to be going on right now (though note the built images seem to be non-bootable)
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| adamw
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we have the second RATS run scheduled for thursday, and the first blocker review scheduled for friday
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| adamw
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so everyone get ready for that, and try and finish off your pre-alpha tasks soon if you have 'em
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| kparal
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when you talk about RATS...
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| adamw
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yeah?
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| kparal
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do you mean rats_install test from autoqa?
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| adamw
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more or less
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| kparal
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old or new version?
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| kparal
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because I am working with honqging on that one
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| adamw
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whichever one works? :)
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| kparal
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I reviewed that and found some issues, but hongqing unfortunately went on holiday
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| kparal
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I believe the old one will not work
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| adamw
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the intent is that we get an image and run it through the rats test to see if it's vaguely bootable/installable
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16:20
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| adamw
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ah. yeah. chinese new year. i really should've taken that one into account.
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16:21
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| kparal
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and the new one might
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| adamw
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still, good news is we already know the image isn't bootable, that was established on list
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| adamw
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so it's kind of academic
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16:21
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| kparal
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he'll be back Feb 1
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16:21
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| adamw
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yeah
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| kparal
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ok then
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| adamw
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would you mind trying to run new rats again with new image on thursday?
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16:22
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| adamw
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then the following week we have a full TC scheduled, so no more RATS-ing.
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16:22
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| kparal
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yeah, just ping me
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| adamw
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okay
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| adamw
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the rats thing is bad process as we never documented it, we made a start but then i proposed replacing all rats runs with TCs, maybe for f18 we'll just do that since dgilmore apparently finds it just as easy to spin up a full TC as a single image for RATS testing anyway.
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16:23
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| * maxamillion reads backscroll because co-worker is apparently on a mission to thwart his participation in this meeting
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16:23
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| j_dulaney
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maxamillion: He's on a mission from God
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16:23
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| adamw
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heh
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16:24
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| * j_dulaney wonders if the first TC will be death
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| adamw
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#info first rats testing image is non-bootable, second will arrive thursday and kparal will attempt to rats test it
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16:24
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: always the question
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16:24
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| adamw
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and yup, blocker meeting this friday, bring your popcorn
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16:25
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| adamw
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okay, moving along...
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16:26
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| adamw
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forgot to put this on the schedule, but:
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| adamw
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#topic autoqa update
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16:26
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| adamw
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what's the news, kparal?
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16:26
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| kparal
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not as much this week. most kudos go to mkrizek this time. he fixed occasional depcheck crash and also fixed watchers being stuck for eternity sometimes
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16:27
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| kparal
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I reviewed hongqing's rats_install patch twice and pointed out some problems
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16:27
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| adamw
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#info occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek
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16:28
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| kparal
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I can fix some of them but there's at least one hard issue that will require quite some work
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16:28
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| adamw
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#info kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch
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16:28
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| kparal
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in the meantime I'm working on centralized configuration class for autoqa. expect more this week
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| kparal
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and that's all I know
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| kparal
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anyone else?
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16:29
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| adamw
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#info kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa
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16:29
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| adamw
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tflink_: any news?
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16:29
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| tflink_
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adamw: not on autoqa, no
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| dgilmore
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adamw: i have to run exactly the same commands to make a full dvd iso set as i do to just make a boot.iso
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| adamw
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alrighty
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16:31
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| adamw
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movin' right along, then
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16:31
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| adamw
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#topic open floor
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| adamw
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anyone got any other issues of concern?
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| kparal
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dgilmore: will there be regular boot.iso composes after f17 branches?
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| kparal
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like daily
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16:32
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| j_dulaney
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adamw I do
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| dgilmore
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kparal: yes
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| dgilmore
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kparal: we make boot.iso for branched
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| dgilmore
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kparal: but never for rawhide
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16:32
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| kparal
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great, that's important for rats_install test to have sense
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| adamw
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yeah.
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16:32
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| adamw
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#info there will be regular boot.iso composes after branching
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16:33
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: what's your topic?
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16:33
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: It seems that I'm not getting emails from Trac
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16:33
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| j_dulaney
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At least, some of them
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16:33
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| j_dulaney
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I've had several people poke me, wondering why I was ignoring test day tickets
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| j_dulaney
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And I did not know of their existance
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| adamw
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ah
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| adamw
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i don't think you'd get a personal mail automatically, it's not hooked up that way
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| adamw
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you'd have to watch test list for new tickets and cc yourself on them]
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16:34
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| * j_dulaney is subscribed to test list
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16:34
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| adamw
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i do see all the requests in the test list history, i think
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16:34
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| tflink_
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adamw: really, I get 2 emails for every trac ticket that is assigned to me or that I reported
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16:34
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| j_dulaney
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I'd been getting them automagically that way
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16:34
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| adamw
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tflink_: test day requests won't be assigned to j_dulaney automatically, though
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16:34
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| adamw
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so he'll just get the test list mail at first
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16:35
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| tflink_
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good point
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16:35
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| kparal
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correct
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16:35
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| kparal
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just create a mail filter j_dulaney
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16:35
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| j_dulaney
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Hmm
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16:35
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| j_dulaney
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kparal: Already have one
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16:35
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| j_dulaney
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I'll just poke it and see what pops out
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16:35
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| adamw
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is there a specific ticket you can give as an example that you didn't get a mail for?
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16:36
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| adamw
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then i can check the ml archive and see if one was sent
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16:36
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| * j_dulaney looks
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| j_dulaney
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276
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16:38
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| kparal
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j_dulaney: it's in the test list. Jan 20
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16:38
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| adamw
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yeah
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16:38
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| j_dulaney
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Must have been a fluke in the Interwebz is all I can think of
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16:39
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| adamw
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but that's the only one i see that you haven't responded to
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16:39
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| adamw
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so i don't think you've missed a lot
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16:39
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| j_dulaney
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Dunno
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16:40
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| j_dulaney
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The Interwebz have failed me
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16:40
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| adamw
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heh
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16:40
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| adamw
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WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT
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16:40
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| adamw
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you can always just check through the web interface for anything you missed
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16:40
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| adamw
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they're all under 'test day release' at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/report/9 i think
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16:40
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| j_dulaney
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Righteo
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16:41
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| adamw
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anything else for open floor, folks?
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16:41
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| * j_dulaney is done
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16:42
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| adamw
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alrighty then
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16:43
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| adamw
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let's try and get the pre-alpha stuff rounded up soon (I know I still have stuff to do there...) and get prepped for f17 testing (yay)
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16:43
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| adamw
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thanks everyone
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| adamw
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#endmeeting
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