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Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-12-10

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<tr id="t13:00"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping notting jeremy rdieter wwoods spot lmacken poelcat jwb</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: I'll be back in just a minute</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I suspect spot is sleeping off the jet lag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh warren ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I was talking to him before lunch, but perhaps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, once again not much on the agenda.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">FC6 is dead.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so long, zod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We're going to try reversing the netapp streams next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(sync from PHX to other places rather than from RDU)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we have a buildsystem refresh coming</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and a glibc/gcc update coming that could use a mass rebuild</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat put out a 2nd request for feature pages</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'm working on a rawhide dashboard (<a href="http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html</a>)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: coolio</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, update for what?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">need to find a way to get mash and/or the rawhide sync to send a signal to the rawhide monitor thingy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jwb: gcc 4.3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so the top section(s) of that page get updated after rawhide finishes building/syncing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy, and glibc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: will it signal whether it is installable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jwb: no big glibc change that I know of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe I was mistaken on the glibc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: it checks to see if the tree is there, checks the metadata, checks for boot images</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods, so does it have a way to query why something went bad?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">re-reading the mail it looks like just gcc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if there's boot images it will (eventually) launch automatic tests and report those results</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, it links to the logs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so you can figure it out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it does?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: glibc goes to 2.8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oh, i see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat, not until the end</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods, odd.  a 0 log for ppc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: why "make the user figure out it"... why not a clear status that says "WORKY" or "NOWORKY"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">anyway, this is cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat has a daily internal rhts job doing the same thing right now</td><td><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">poelcat: there *is* clear status</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb wonders why ppc has a log size of 0</td><td><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">either "no tree", "bad/missing metadata", "no boot images", or "tree OK"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">followed by results of the attempted install test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: because the pungify-ppc didn't actually comlete</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">complete</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, i see that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">will will probably be either "OK" or "FAIL" with a link to anaconda logs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">due to an nfs mounting error which I have reported to mmcgrath</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">err which will ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, i see that too :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: I'm going to try it again manually in a few minutes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I can't magically determine why anaconda failed when it fails</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13, ok cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but there should be obvious pass/fail status</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so yeah.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods, we need the doom-o-meter on there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">otherwise it's cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*crickets*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ah yes, the doom-o-meter!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah that'll come once I have the other bits working</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but yeah, the main thing is working out a way for the rawhide build/sync process to signal that it's ready for smoke testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that has some entertaining details if we reverse the stream</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: actually, it's a lot simpler</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since we'd just be doing an rsync to $box in phx as part of compose, and relying upon snapmirror to move the bits around.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: we can't tell $process when the bits are ready in RDU</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: but we can tell them when they're ready in phx. which is probably 'close enough'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">as that's public</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but not nfs mountable by wwoods' farm.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is the problem he's going to face</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I don't need nfs mountability</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I thought you did for some tests?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">not really.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(well, the obvious one being nfs install test)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the stuff is designed to use http/ftp for installs, since that seems to be the typical way people get trees and do network installs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sure, that just means we'll miss nfs install bugs until later (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: the really scary ones are iso based methods... so meh.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, I can set up some stuff to wait for the bits to land in RDU to do local nfs-using tests on a local cluster</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but for doing simple smoke tests</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">you kind of want that to happen as soon as the bits are built</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">NFS is tier2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy would be quite happy with some ftp/http smoketesting and isn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth :)</td><td><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">a simple %packages --default http kickstart install would make a good basic smoketest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and/or %packages @base</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 neither</td><td><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">%packages --default kickstart install covers a lot of the key codepaths - if that works we're not completely doomed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">by all means, do whatever you can for the love of god (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so, hm. if I set up something (e.g. an xmlrpc/cgi thing) could you have it be pinged as soon as the bits are baked?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couldn't you set a watch on a file ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like if we touched a file that said "all done"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: why can't you go off of internal gridtrees (or whatever it is called)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: that's not used by Fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">because gridtrees is a horrible abomination</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that must be stopped</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but it tells you when a new rawhide tree is there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and also it's internal-only</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">just no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I don't recall any current code that touches gridtrees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if gridtrees is being updated with rawhide info that's a side-effect or a hack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">horrible deprecated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ugh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the entire point of having .composeinfo/.treeinfo was to stop using gridtrees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, no rawhide content in gridtrees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">you really really really don't want multiple processes writing the same file over NFS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, much doomage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: so theoretically we can "ping" you in some form.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the most simple way possible would be preferred</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: yeah, if you write a given file last</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or atomically move the tree into place after syncing it to a temp location</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually, the repodata files are synced last</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'd prefer that the signal was a push rather than having to poll</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but you're right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">thinking generally, it might be nice to have a compose framework</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a very simplistic push would be best</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ala, koji, but for composes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: and what would it do?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">something the secondary arches could plug into to get notification of mashing and send it when they've finished composing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: right. I can set up a .cgi and you can just do something like 'wget ${cgi_url}?newtree=${dirname}'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or similar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or just ${cgi_url}?dopoll=true</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">whatevs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: ok, yeah, I had at one point evisioned a big communication bus between things like bodhi, koji, composes, etc... that things could subscribe too just for notifications ( police scanner ) , drop messages on, or otherwise react to calls.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, we've talked about that in QA-land as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: dbus++?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">there's messaging stuff going on in RH (aqmp for example) but those are a bit fancy for us, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: steroiD-bus?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting, er fbus man</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">dbus supports multihost stuff, doesn't it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">does it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it has some vestigial support for doing that anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">where's J5?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">there's a tcp transport for dbus</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">J5, can dbus do multihost stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">easily?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so that a 5 year old could code something up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">multihost?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">J5, machine 1 sends an event on the bus and machines 2-5 get it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">it's not very well documented IIRC, but you can do stuff like: <listen>tcp:host=localhost,port=12434</listen></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">in dbus system.conf</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods, is there an equivalent broadcast?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">you'd think you could use multicast for that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but now I'm speculating wildly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: ya, not sure what our tcp support is like</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">maybe amqp is better for this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb shrugs</td><td><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">we are primarily a local bus</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that's what i thought</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">tubes has multicast support I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">we do dbus over tubes on the OLPC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that sounds like it might be the Right Thing To Do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"tubes"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh, so tubes is.. basically dbus over xmpp?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: tubes abstracts the transport</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, details aside because.. yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> J5</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">xmpp is one of the transports</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but yeah. sounds like Tubes is the answer for "dbus over network"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we're pretty far off in the weeds</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">right. that's like a post-f9/f10 kind of target</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: if you get something simple up that can be poked via urllib or whatnot, let us know and we will update the compose job</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">for testing f9 I'll set up some cutely stupid cgi that you can poke</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but under a similar topic of 'weeds', who all is going to be at FUDCon?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and if there is a number of us, should we get together and voice some things out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">i suppose i can make the trip</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">since F9 is going to become RHEL6 when it gets growed up, the RHEL QA guys are going to be working on F9/rawhide testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: now kind of you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah I'll probably be at FUDCon, seeing as it's, y'know, here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: i suspect if i try and expense travel someone will laugh at me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: sadly, you could probably get away with it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: are you coming?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm assuming wwoods will be there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy isn't going to be at fudcon</td><td><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and j5 will be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'll be there, yeah.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well maybe will figure out something to do then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">On the signing server front, I think Mike McGrath is ready for testing new hosted environment, and we're going to be fodder.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we may ahve a public repo in the next day or 3.  Luke and I are going to get together and hash out some of the API stuff, and I think I'm going ot let him work on the server side, and I'll focus on a fedora specific client for it that deals with koji and figuring out /what/ to sign and where to import the signed copy from</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I did a bunch of hacking on the signing server over the weekend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this may need a new koji call, to be able to import from 'relative' location, relative to the koji server.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">it's almost ready for testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Are there any other topics people would like to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods sits on hands</td><td><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oh, i will not be at FUDCon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">darn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">no surprise there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: what about the Boston one with RH Summit attached?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">when is that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">June 18-20</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although I may not actually be around then, let me check.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i'll try to get to that one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anywho, hours up, seems we're done.  Back on your heads!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See ttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule</td><td><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
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