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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-03-10

Beta Release

PreUpgrade

  • rel-eng has agreed to maintain the file and it will be distributed on the mirrors
  • pub/linux/fedora/releases/releases.list

Master Mirror Space

  • after the board's talk with legal, we're clear to remove anything we want from the mirror.
  • https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421 is the ticket for the disk space
  • Discussion about what releases need to be kept around and which ones can be deleted to free up space
  • Potentially getting up to 2TB of space from HP

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<tr id="t13:02"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping: notting warren jwb rdieter jeremy wwoods poelcat spot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ish</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm trying to chanage the wiki page to list the now adjusted UTC time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'm getting 500'd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Beta Freeze</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">so.. rel-eng meeting adjusts for DST (i.e. it's tied to US Eastern time)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Tonight is the beta freeze, for tomorrow's rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dist-f9-beta exists, is continually updated with the latest dist-f9 stuff, and I've got signing writing out signed packages right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rawhide tomorrow will likely have a bunch newly signed packages, but likely not all of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll update dist-rawhide later tonight</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">about what time will the cut-off be?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">update it as in ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dist-rawhide -> dist-f9 right now, tonight it'lls witch to -> dist-f9-beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dist-rawhide is what feeds rawhide composes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep, just making sure i understood</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: 0700 UTC~</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: likely a bit before</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so lots and lots of test trees coming</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">RHEL5 selinux is thwarting my attempts at using rhel5 + mock to compose trees, so we might not be able to do them in PHX for beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'll be keeping a test location in sync with the trees I compose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: you have us a testing grid right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we should make an announcement regarding it and invite people to use rawhide to test things</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install</a> is the test plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/TestSummaryTemplate">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/TestSummaryTemplate</a> is the "fill in the boxes" summary of results</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sorry I'm late... free lunch ran long :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mmmmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">life is going to be busy for a bit.  Anything else anybody would like to add?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We should keep in pretty constant contact with the state of the beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: any indicator of how we're looking, especially relative to last week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ppc was mostly happy last friday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">daily runthroughs of the blocker list, culling the non blockers, etc..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: X is better, still some evdev oddities, but not bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">trees are composing pretty regularly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">including ppc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">perl landed today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: yeah, that's my impression too.  but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy saw perl too</td><td><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I would really appreciate if somebody could review my ltsp package, been working constantly for more than 2 weeks getting that ready.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">what does that have to do with Beta?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">also, if we find a place to put it (I'll talk to mmcgrath in a bit), I can put up a live image</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the NetworkManager bits to reliably read system config files landed so we can flip NM on by default</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jwb, I was told it needs to go in before beta or it doens't go in at all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">why is that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">feature freeze?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if it's a freature</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it can go in.  it just won't be called a feature</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: we should check with dcbw where that stands (NM)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jeremy: stage2 stuff is still problematic. haven't tried an iso install today yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: yeah, I got a text message on Friday/Sat saying that the bits landed upstream and that he was going to do a rawhide build</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, stage2 worries me a lot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">stage2=XXX definitelly doesn't work yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: clumens should be around I think and is your best bet for fixage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">he's in targeted selection training</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: "stay on target!" :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* nirik wonders if the kvm vmware video finds no modes is known/filed/being looked at? </td><td><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">nirik: it's filed (and affects vmware vmware too afaik)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">gah. the internal mirror disappeared from the mirrorlist for rawhide for some reason</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">ok, sounds good. I should see if the 'root can't login on console' thing I just saw is filed too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">welcome to life for the rest of us wwoods</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">syslinux doesn't seem to like recent kvm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods: I can try to take a look too if you have concrete reproducers of problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">forget that! I don't wanna deal with slow mirrors like you suckas</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">jeremy: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">oh. right-alt is still enter (or space) in anaconda. grumble grumble</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">upgrade traceback... while looking for /etc/rpm/platform</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">bluh. I'll take this stuff offline and report bugs and junk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we got works ahead of us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but otherwise, would it really be a freeze? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bad day for selection training.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">basically: shit's rough but I'm hopeful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy at least feels like we're freezing on top of something more solid</td><td><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mmm, frozen quicksand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: and an entire bad week for me.  woo!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, anything else on Beta?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jeremy: punting redoing keymaps to match X?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">notting: yeah, I thought we decided that a few weeks ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright;</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor</td><td><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Given the beta, I'm not focusing on anything else this week.  Is there anything else anybody wants to bring up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren falls through the open floor.</td><td><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* f13 watches warren fall through the hole in the roof</td><td><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">this might be an infrastructure thing instead, but</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">the preupgrade feature requires a place to put a releases.list file</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">which.. surprise! lists available releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">a place... on the mirrors? on the wiki? in space?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">that's the question, really</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">does something like that go on the mirrors, or do we just find some random place in the fp.o space to put it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">it's kind of the Official (machine-parseable) List O' Available Releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we probably don't want it to be a SPOF</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and it'll need some (small amount of) rel-eng involvement to flip bits when releases are made public</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">pub/linux/fedora/releases/releases.list ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">e.g.: add Fedora 9 when F9 is released</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685"><a href="https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/browser/dev/releases.list">https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/browser/dev/releases.list</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so yeah, I think dropping it in pub/fedora/linux/releases/ makes sense</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: works for me. but yeah - requires updating when releases are.. released. which is a releng-y task.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I have one other peice of business I forgota bout</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Master Mirror Space</td><td><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: so - can I say that rel-eng has agreed to maintain the file and it'll be distributed on the mirrors? :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">rad. thanks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421">https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421</a> is the ticket for the disk space</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">after the board's talk with legal, we're clear to remove anything we want from the mirror.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Which could be everything up to the Fedora 7 bits</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Beta is gonna have jigdo bits, correct?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm still syncing stuff to spinning disks in Bostford but once that's done we can do some rm -rfing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nirik: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: so, fc6 disappears completely? no archive?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to announce likely later this week the pending removal of the bits, temporary for now, ideally put back in archive.fedoraproject.org later with redirects from the old locations</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: we'll want to put the bits back online eventually, we just don't have the resources to do so immediately</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">do the mirror heads in rdu/tpa have similar space issues?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we have to clear something off to handle 9's release with split media once again, and secondary arch content.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I do believe so, they're all supposedly matched sets</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">well, do we have space for 9 release w/o seconday arches?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and is there a concrete plan for the future other than begging?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">notting: begging...  with feeling  ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, which secondary arch content?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: ia64 is the immediate need</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">they're ready to start having us pick up their rawhide droppings</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wasn't aware of that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">are they all hooked into koji?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">jwb: partly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">explain?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">jwb: I need to finish making things work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: Without scrubbing /some/ content we don't have room for 9 at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">jwb: they are queueing builds  but not trying to reproduce the buildroot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: my future plan is that we only keep the active or active -1 releases on the netapps, and we archive things to an archive server with less costly space issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">dgilmore, and that's acceptable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: sure, but we don't have one of those yet :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> dgilmore</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">jwb: for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">wait, why?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: correct.  We have some of the stuff for it, but it's being used for backups right now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: because it's better than nothing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: yeah, just hosting non-critical things without a concrete plan for space  acquisition makes me nervous</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I still think that reproducing the buildroot exactly is impossible</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i've offered to send hard drives before</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jeremy says that's pointless</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: we have plans, and budgets, but they're in later quarters</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: did we not think we'd run out of space this fast?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: drives is sort of misleading. would need drives, and a box, in the colo, and some sort of redundancy...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, hence pointless</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I don't think mmcgrath was aware that we were going to do split media for 9 again, and wasn't expecting to host secondary arches</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">then... say no?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we could do split media jigdo only...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: board already said yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or all media jigdo only...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: I'd rather not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: then tell the board they have their head up their ass and cough up some hardware</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, what the board says and what we can physically accomplish are entirely different things</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we /can/ accomplish it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is no reason to keep Fedora Core 2 crap on the master mirror share</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's just silly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">1-6 can go</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can temporarily move it offline until the archives space frees up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">why are we hosting it at all anymore again?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the old stuff i mean</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i'm just not sure i see the point of 'oh, we'll put it somewhere else later'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cleaning 1-6 off (basically the core/ directory) gives us ample space.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">after all, you're going to blow up their fc6 installs for 6 months anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">why would the users then care that you're putting it back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">blow up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yum doesn't like no baseurls existing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe they'll get the point that their release isn't supported anymore</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">does removing 1-5 give us enough space?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">admittedly, they haven't seen updates for however long, but now they'll get loud errors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: depends on how fast other arches spin up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i just don't like the ridiculous measures to support (IMO) a silly decision</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">arent' you on the board?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: doesn't mean people listen to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: then please go talk to the board and spot, 'cause that's where the pressure is coming from</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting, i'm just wondering if you said the same during the board meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">HP has already sent us a box to hold the bits on disks until we can get archives up and runing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><notting> and is there a concrete plan for the future other than begging? <-- This doesn't bode well.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">concrete plans involve budgetary planning, which we're doing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although a lot of the problem is finger pointing when it comes to "who is going ot pay for this"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: but please don't use releng as a method to further disagree with the board.  I don't really like being put in that position.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">why is that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren wonders if we should split the ISO and package mirrors into different trees.</td><td><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: we elect a board for a reason, they've made a decision, and we're doing the best we can to accomplish their decision.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: wtf are you talking about?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">It makes less and less sense to have multiple copies of the same thing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: it's the responsibility of rel-eng to give feedback to the board if what they ask for is nuts</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it also makes less and less sense to carry really old content on the expensive master mirror.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think we should ax the older releases regardless of the current discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">at very least 1-4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: well, I don't necessarily agree that it's nuts.  I think the timing is a little off, but it's nothign we can't deal with.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: 1-4 doesn't give us enough space IIRC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1-5 gets us closer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1-5 + the Fedora 7 Test [1234]  may just about cover it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we may get away with keeping 6 on the master netapp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">does that include extras 3-5?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: this deletion is planned for... post-beta?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: yes, that includes it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: planned for as soon as I get the bits mirrored to the HP box in bostford, and send an announcement to the mirrors / users</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">could be before beta, but will probably be after.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: but if you can convince the board to choose a different course of action before then...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: do you or don't you want to be cc'd?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as it stands, getting new mirrors bootstrapped is pretty tough given how much old content there is.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting, please cc rel-eng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: sure, keep me cc'd, I'd like to be informed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: ++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i'd just feel *much* better if archives was actually live now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">was there something that prevented the HP donation going somewhere it could be used in a public manner?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: rack space in PHX</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">== 0</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and we can't send it to serverbeach?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no ability to put things outside the firewall in Bostford</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">serverbeach provides us machines, not the other way around</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting, serverbeach does only dedicated, not colo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'd have to buy another machien from them, or more storage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">so, barring adding a cname for archives.redhat.com to elvis.redhat.com...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and getting IS to agree to putting another box in the colo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">how much space does elvis have?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">about 22G ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does elvis have the 400~ gigs we need?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/colo/dmz/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting, where is elvis anyway?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">somewhere in the rdu 4th floor lab, iirc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, what do you mean by redirect?  http redirect?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: if we can.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, and do we allow rsync access to archive.fp for people who want to mirror it for no good reason?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: saves us from re-filing export approval for all the old releases.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">well, actually elvis is a nursing home in texas with jfk battling mummies. but that's besides the point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: it should.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, nothing will be deleted before our next meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: how much space will the in-6-months archives.fp.o be?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: that's a mmcgrath question</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and i suppose there's not really space on spins either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">notting: HP is working on donating much more storage to us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">probably not that much space, but again, that's a mmcgrath question.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">i'm working with mmcgrath to find a home for it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">spins has about 84gig free</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">about 2 TB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">though i think mmcgrath recently had an upgrade for spins somewhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: dumb question - we want to have a written offer of some sort for F9 to handle some of these GPL issues. is there a way to beta test that without tying us into keeping the beta for however many years?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... beta test a written offer?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that seems... bad.  and also a question for fedora-legal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what do you want to test?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: i.e., does including the first wording of this offer in the beta tie us to keeping the beta online for 3 years</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb <- not lawyer</td><td><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: word it in such a way that it doesn't.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't think you can just put "NOT!" at the bottom.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mdomsch: are you in charge of that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you can put a chucnk of text saying "This is where the written offer will be"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'm curious what you're trying to ... test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">the last i heard is that there was going to be something in the toplevel readme about the source offer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and i don't want it to cause problems later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I'm not capable of answering that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">I'm still working on it..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">won't be ready this week though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: but whatever we do, you *do* want to make sure it doesn't apply to betas?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">I need to get FSF legal (brett smith?) to ack that for GPLv2 we don't _have_ to provide physical media with source, if it's online</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and alphas and rcs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">GPLv3 fixed that particular madness</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">notting, right - we really only want that to apply to releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">where we can expect to press media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">at least for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mdomsch, why the v2/v3 distinction?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">mdomsch: and is this using gpl as the original source license, or gpl as the collective license.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">there's a desire to allow GPLv2 3b) for everything - but we're far from there yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">notting, both...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">jwb, v2 (in the FSF's opinion of the past) meant we had to put source on physical media for people if they wanted it, because we put the binaries on physical media</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: that is correct.  Making pre-releases stick around for 3 years will very very very quickly run us out of disk space</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">v3 says basically "putting them online is sufficient"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">is there something preventing us from using gplv3 which has this issue fixed ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">jwb, all the v2-licensed code in the distro? :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: sorry to drag things off-topic. anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I got nothing, but a hungry belly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anybody else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">let's talk about spins</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">just kidding :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thanks all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a></td></tr>
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