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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-03-10
Beta Release
- Test plan: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install is the test plan
- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/TestSummaryTemplate is the "fill in the boxes" summary of results
- Discussion around what is working and not working--see IRC log for details
PreUpgrade
- rel-eng has agreed to maintain the file and it will be distributed on the mirrors
- pub/linux/fedora/releases/releases.list
Master Mirror Space
- after the board's talk with legal, we're clear to remove anything we want from the mirror.
- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421 is the ticket for the disk space
- Discussion about what releases need to be kept around and which ones can be deleted to free up space
- Potentially getting up to 2TB of space from HP
IRC Transcript
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| * warren here | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| * notting is here | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| f13 | ping: notting warren jwb rdieter jeremy wwoods poelcat spot | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> |
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| * wwoods here | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| rdieter | here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| jwb | here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| jwb | ish | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| * poelcat here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| f13 | I'm trying to chanage the wiki page to list the now adjusted UTC time | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| f13 | but I'm getting 500'd | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| f13 | ok, well | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Beta Freeze | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> | |
| wwoods | so.. rel-eng meeting adjusts for DST (i.e. it's tied to US Eastern time)? | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | Tonight is the beta freeze, for tomorrow's rawhide. | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: yeah | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | dist-f9-beta exists, is continually updated with the latest dist-f9 stuff, and I've got signing writing out signed packages right now | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | rawhide tomorrow will likely have a bunch newly signed packages, but likely not all of them | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| f13 | I'll update dist-rawhide later tonight | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| warren | about what time will the cut-off be? | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| jwb | update it as in ? | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | dist-rawhide -> dist-f9 right now, tonight it'lls witch to -> dist-f9-beta | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| jwb | yeah, ok | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | dist-rawhide is what feeds rawhide composes. | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| jwb | yep, just making sure i understood | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | warren: 0700 UTC~ | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| f13 | warren: likely a bit before | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| * spot is here | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> | |
| f13 | so lots and lots of test trees coming | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| f13 | RHEL5 selinux is thwarting my attempts at using rhel5 + mock to compose trees, so we might not be able to do them in PHX for beta | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | but I'll be keeping a test location in sync with the trees I compose | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: you have us a testing grid right? | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| f13 | we should make an announcement regarding it and invite people to use rawhide to test things | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install</a> is the test plan | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/TestSummaryTemplate">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/TestSummaryTemplate</a> is the "fill in the boxes" summary of results | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| jeremy | sorry I'm late... free lunch ran long :) | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | mmmmm | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | so.... | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| f13 | life is going to be busy for a bit. Anything else anybody would like to add? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | We should keep in pretty constant contact with the state of the beta | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: any indicator of how we're looking, especially relative to last week? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| jwb | ppc was mostly happy last friday | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | daily runthroughs of the blocker list, culling the non blockers, etc.. | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | jeremy: X is better, still some evdev oddities, but not bad | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | trees are composing pretty regularly | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | including ppc | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | perl landed today | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| jeremy | f13: yeah, that's my impression too. but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| * jeremy saw perl too | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> | |
| warren | I would really appreciate if somebody could review my ltsp package, been working constantly for more than 2 weeks getting that ready. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| jwb | what does that have to do with Beta? | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| jeremy | also, if we find a place to put it (I'll talk to mmcgrath in a bit), I can put up a live image | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| f13 | I think the NetworkManager bits to reliably read system config files landed so we can flip NM on by default | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| warren | jwb, I was told it needs to go in before beta or it doens't go in at all. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| jwb | why is that? | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| warren | feature freeze? | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| f13 | if it's a freature | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| jwb | it can go in. it just won't be called a feature | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| jeremy | f13: we should check with dcbw where that stands (NM) | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| wwoods | jeremy: stage2 stuff is still problematic. haven't tried an iso install today yet | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | jeremy: yeah, I got a text message on Friday/Sat saying that the bits landed upstream and that he was going to do a rawhide build | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | yes, stage2 worries me a lot | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| wwoods | stage2=XXX definitelly doesn't work yet | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: clumens should be around I think and is your best bet for fixage | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| wwoods | he's in targeted selection training | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jwb | ? | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: "stay on target!" :) | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| * nirik wonders if the kvm vmware video finds no modes is known/filed/being looked at? | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> | |
| jeremy | nirik: it's filed (and affects vmware vmware too afaik) | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| wwoods | gah. the internal mirror disappeared from the mirrorlist for rawhide for some reason | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| nirik | ok, sounds good. I should see if the 'root can't login on console' thing I just saw is filed too. | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| jwb | welcome to life for the rest of us wwoods | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| f13 | oh, also | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| f13 | syslinux doesn't seem to like recent kvm | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| jeremy | wwoods: I can try to take a look too if you have concrete reproducers of problems | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | forget that! I don't wanna deal with slow mirrors like you suckas | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | jeremy: sure | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | oh. right-alt is still enter (or space) in anaconda. grumble grumble | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | upgrade traceback... while looking for /etc/rpm/platform | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| wwoods | bluh. I'll take this stuff offline and report bugs and junk | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| f13 | ok. | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| f13 | we got works ahead of us | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| jeremy | but otherwise, would it really be a freeze? :) | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| f13 | bad day for selection training. | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| wwoods | basically: shit's rough but I'm hopeful | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| * jeremy at least feels like we're freezing on top of something more solid | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> | |
| notting | mmm, frozen quicksand | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| jeremy | f13: and an entire bad week for me. woo! | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| f13 | nice | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| f13 | well, anything else on Beta? | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| notting | jeremy: punting redoing keymaps to match X? | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| jeremy | notting: yeah, I thought we decided that a few weeks ago | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| f13 | alright; | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> | |
| f13 | Given the beta, I'm not focusing on anything else this week. Is there anything else anybody wants to bring up? | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| * warren falls through the open floor. | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> | |
| * f13 watches warren fall through the hole in the roof | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> | |
| wwoods | this might be an infrastructure thing instead, but | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| wwoods | the preupgrade feature requires a place to put a releases.list file | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| wwoods | which.. surprise! lists available releases | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| notting | a place... on the mirrors? on the wiki? in space? | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| wwoods | that's the question, really | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| wwoods | does something like that go on the mirrors, or do we just find some random place in the fp.o space to put it | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| wwoods | it's kind of the Official (machine-parseable) List O' Available Releases | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | we probably don't want it to be a SPOF | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| wwoods | and it'll need some (small amount of) rel-eng involvement to flip bits when releases are made public | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | so.. | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | pub/linux/fedora/releases/releases.list ? | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| wwoods | e.g.: add Fedora 9 when F9 is released | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/browser/dev/releases.list">https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/browser/dev/releases.list</a> | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| f13 | ok | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| f13 | so yeah, I think dropping it in pub/fedora/linux/releases/ makes sense | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | f13: works for me. but yeah - requires updating when releases are.. released. which is a releng-y task. | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| f13 | aight. | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| f13 | I have one other peice of business I forgota bout | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Master Mirror Space | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> | |
| wwoods | f13: so - can I say that rel-eng has agreed to maintain the file and it'll be distributed on the mirrors? :D | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: sure | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| wwoods | rad. thanks. | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | <a href="https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421">https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421</a> is the ticket for the disk space | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | after the board's talk with legal, we're clear to remove anything we want from the mirror. | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | Which could be everything up to the Fedora 7 bits | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| nirik | Beta is gonna have jigdo bits, correct? | <a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a> |
| f13 | I'm still syncing stuff to spinning disks in Bostford but once that's done we can do some rm -rfing | <a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a> |
| f13 | nirik: yes | <a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a> |
| notting | f13: so, fc6 disappears completely? no archive? | <a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a> |
| f13 | I'm going to announce likely later this week the pending removal of the bits, temporary for now, ideally put back in archive.fedoraproject.org later with redirects from the old locations | <a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a> |
| f13 | notting: we'll want to put the bits back online eventually, we just don't have the resources to do so immediately | <a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a> |
| notting | do the mirror heads in rdu/tpa have similar space issues? | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| f13 | but we have to clear something off to handle 9's release with split media once again, and secondary arch content. | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| f13 | notting: I do believe so, they're all supposedly matched sets | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| notting | well, do we have space for 9 release w/o seconday arches? | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| notting | and is there a concrete plan for the future other than begging? | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| jeremy | notting: begging... with feeling ? | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| jwb | f13, which secondary arch content? | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| f13 | jwb: ia64 is the immediate need | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| f13 | they're ready to start having us pick up their rawhide droppings | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | cool | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | wasn't aware of that | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | are they all hooked into koji? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| dgilmore | jwb: partly | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| jwb | explain? | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| dgilmore | jwb: I need to finish making things work | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | notting: Without scrubbing /some/ content we don't have room for 9 at all | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| dgilmore | jwb: they are queueing builds but not trying to reproduce the buildroot | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | notting: my future plan is that we only keep the active or active -1 releases on the netapps, and we archive things to an archive server with less costly space issues | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| jwb | dgilmore, and that's acceptable? | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| notting | f13: sure, but we don't have one of those yet :) | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| dgilmore | jwb: for now | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| jwb | wait, why? | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | notting: correct. We have some of the stuff for it, but it's being used for backups right now | <a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a> |
| f13 | jwb: because it's better than nothing | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| notting | f13: yeah, just hosting non-critical things without a concrete plan for space acquisition makes me nervous | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | I still think that reproducing the buildroot exactly is impossible | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| jwb | i've offered to send hard drives before | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| jwb | jeremy says that's pointless | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | notting: we have plans, and budgets, but they're in later quarters | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| notting | f13: did we not think we'd run out of space this fast? | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| notting | jwb: drives is sort of misleading. would need drives, and a box, in the colo, and some sort of redundancy... | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| jwb | yeah, hence pointless | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | notting: I don't think mmcgrath was aware that we were going to do split media for 9 again, and wasn't expecting to host secondary arches | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | then... say no? | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| warren | we could do split media jigdo only... | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | notting: board already said yes. | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| warren | or all media jigdo only... | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | warren: I'd rather not | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| notting | f13: then tell the board they have their head up their ass and cough up some hardware | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| jwb | f13, what the board says and what we can physically accomplish are entirely different things | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | we /can/ accomplish it | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | there is no reason to keep Fedora Core 2 crap on the master mirror share | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | it's just silly | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| jwb | 1-6 can go | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | we can temporarily move it offline until the archives space frees up | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| jwb | why are we hosting it at all anymore again? | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| jwb | the old stuff i mean | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| notting | i'm just not sure i see the point of 'oh, we'll put it somewhere else later' | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| f13 | cleaning 1-6 off (basically the core/ directory) gives us ample space. | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| notting | after all, you're going to blow up their fc6 installs for 6 months anyway | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| notting | why would the users then care that you're putting it back | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| warren | blow up? | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| notting | yum doesn't like no baseurls existing | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| f13 | maybe they'll get the point that their release isn't supported anymore | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| warren | does removing 1-5 give us enough space? | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| notting | admittedly, they haven't seen updates for however long, but now they'll get loud errors | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | warren: depends on how fast other arches spin up | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| notting | i just don't like the ridiculous measures to support (IMO) a silly decision | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| warren | notting, +1 | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| jwb | arent' you on the board? | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| notting | jwb: doesn't mean people listen to me | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | notting: then please go talk to the board and spot, 'cause that's where the pressure is coming from | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| jwb | notting, i'm just wondering if you said the same during the board meeting | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| f13 | HP has already sent us a box to hold the bits on disks until we can get archives up and runing. | <a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a> |
| warren | <notting> and is there a concrete plan for the future other than begging? <-- This doesn't bode well. | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| f13 | concrete plans involve budgetary planning, which we're doing. | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| f13 | although a lot of the problem is finger pointing when it comes to "who is going ot pay for this" | <a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a> |
| f13 | notting: but please don't use releng as a method to further disagree with the board. I don't really like being put in that position. | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| jwb | why is that? | <a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a> |
| * warren wonders if we should split the ISO and package mirrors into different trees. | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> | |
| f13 | jwb: we elect a board for a reason, they've made a decision, and we're doing the best we can to accomplish their decision. | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> |
| f13 | warren: wtf are you talking about? | <a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a> |
| warren | It makes less and less sense to have multiple copies of the same thing. | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| notting | f13: it's the responsibility of rel-eng to give feedback to the board if what they ask for is nuts | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | it also makes less and less sense to carry really old content on the expensive master mirror. | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| jwb | i think we should ax the older releases regardless of the current discussion | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| jwb | at very least 1-4 | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | notting: well, I don't necessarily agree that it's nuts. I think the timing is a little off, but it's nothign we can't deal with. | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | jwb: 1-4 doesn't give us enough space IIRC | <a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a> |
| f13 | 1-5 gets us closer | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| f13 | 1-5 + the Fedora 7 Test [1234] may just about cover it | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| f13 | we may get away with keeping 6 on the master netapp | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| jwb | does that include extras 3-5? | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| notting | f13: this deletion is planned for... post-beta? | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| f13 | jwb: yes, that includes it. | <a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a> |
| f13 | notting: planned for as soon as I get the bits mirrored to the HP box in bostford, and send an announcement to the mirrors / users | <a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a> |
| f13 | could be before beta, but will probably be after. | <a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a> |
| f13 | notting: but if you can convince the board to choose a different course of action before then... | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| notting | f13: do you or don't you want to be cc'd? | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| f13 | as it stands, getting new mirrors bootstrapped is pretty tough given how much old content there is. | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| jwb | notting, please cc rel-eng | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| f13 | notting: sure, keep me cc'd, I'd like to be informed. | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| f13 | jwb: ++ | <a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a> |
| notting | i'd just feel *much* better if archives was actually live now. | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| notting | was there something that prevented the HP donation going somewhere it could be used in a public manner? | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| f13 | notting: rack space in PHX | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| f13 | == 0 | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| notting | and we can't send it to serverbeach? | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| f13 | no ability to put things outside the firewall in Bostford | <a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a> |
| f13 | serverbeach provides us machines, not the other way around | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| warren | notting, serverbeach does only dedicated, not colo. | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| f13 | we'd have to buy another machien from them, or more storage | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| notting | so, barring adding a cname for archives.redhat.com to elvis.redhat.com... | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| f13 | and getting IS to agree to putting another box in the colo | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| warren | how much space does elvis have? | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| notting | about 22G ;) | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| f13 | does elvis have the 400~ gigs we need? | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| f13 | s/colo/dmz/ | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| warren | notting, where is elvis anyway? | <a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a> |
| notting | somewhere in the rdu 4th floor lab, iirc | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| warren | f13, what do you mean by redirect? http redirect? | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| f13 | warren: yes | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| f13 | warren: if we can. | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| warren | f13, and do we allow rsync access to archive.fp for people who want to mirror it for no good reason? | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| f13 | warren: saves us from re-filing export approval for all the old releases. | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| notting | well, actually elvis is a nursing home in texas with jfk battling mummies. but that's besides the point | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| f13 | warren: it should. | <a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a> |
| f13 | well, nothing will be deleted before our next meeting | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| notting | f13: how much space will the in-6-months archives.fp.o be? | <a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a> |
| f13 | notting: that's a mmcgrath question | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> |
| notting | and i suppose there's not really space on spins either | <a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a> |
| spot | notting: HP is working on donating much more storage to us | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| f13 | probably not that much space, but again, that's a mmcgrath question. | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| spot | i'm working with mmcgrath to find a home for it. | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| jwb | spins has about 84gig free | <a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a> |
| spot | about 2 TB | <a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a> |
| jwb | though i think mmcgrath recently had an upgrade for spins somewhere | <a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a> |
| notting | f13: dumb question - we want to have a written offer of some sort for F9 to handle some of these GPL issues. is there a way to beta test that without tying us into keeping the beta for however many years? | <a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a> |
| f13 | ... beta test a written offer? | <a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a> |
| jwb | that seems... bad. and also a question for fedora-legal | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| f13 | what do you want to test? | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| notting | f13: i.e., does including the first wording of this offer in the beta tie us to keeping the beta online for 3 years | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| * jwb <- not lawyer | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> | |
| f13 | notting: word it in such a way that it doesn't. | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| notting | heh | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| f13 | I don't think you can just put "NOT!" at the bottom. | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| notting | mdomsch: are you in charge of that? | <a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a> |
| f13 | you can put a chucnk of text saying "This is where the written offer will be" | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| f13 | but I'm curious what you're trying to ... test | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| notting | the last i heard is that there was going to be something in the toplevel readme about the source offer | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| notting | and i don't want it to cause problems later | <a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a> |
| f13 | yeah, I'm not capable of answering that | <a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a> |
| mdomsch | I'm still working on it.. | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| mdomsch | won't be ready this week though | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| notting | f13: but whatever we do, you *do* want to make sure it doesn't apply to betas? | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| mdomsch | I need to get FSF legal (brett smith?) to ack that for GPLv2 we don't _have_ to provide physical media with source, if it's online | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| jwb | and alphas and rcs | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| mdomsch | GPLv3 fixed that particular madness | <a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a> |
| mdomsch | notting, right - we really only want that to apply to releases | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| mdomsch | where we can expect to press media | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| mdomsch | at least for now | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| jwb | mdomsch, why the v2/v3 distinction? | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| notting | mdomsch: and is this using gpl as the original source license, or gpl as the collective license. | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| mdomsch | there's a desire to allow GPLv2 3b) for everything - but we're far from there yet | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| mdomsch | notting, both... | <a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a> |
| mdomsch | jwb, v2 (in the FSF's opinion of the past) meant we had to put source on physical media for people if they wanted it, because we put the binaries on physical media | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| f13 | notting: that is correct. Making pre-releases stick around for 3 years will very very very quickly run us out of disk space | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| mdomsch | v3 says basically "putting them online is sufficient" | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| jwb | is there something preventing us from using gplv3 which has this issue fixed ? | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| mdomsch | jwb, all the v2-licensed code in the distro? :-) | <a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a> |
| jwb | oh, yes | <a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a> |
| notting | f13: sorry to drag things off-topic. anything else? | <a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a> |
| f13 | I got nothing, but a hungry belly | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| f13 | anybody else? | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| jwb | let's talk about spins | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| jwb | just kidding :) | <a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a> |
| f13 | thanks all | <a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a> |
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