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Agenda
Time:2009-09-09 0500 UTC
Place: #fedora-i18n at Freenode
- ja OpenWnn
- I18N/InputMethods/Bugs
- indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs
- make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead
Summary
- bug review
Log
| juhp | I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-09-09 | Sep 09 15:09 |
|---|---|---|
| juhp | ping phuang, tagoh3, paragan, pravins, kaio | Sep 09 15:10 |
| juhp | shall we have the IM meeting | Sep 09 15:10 |
| phuang | hi | Sep 09 15:10 |
| pravins | juhp: hi | Sep 09 15:10 |
| paragan | juhp, pong | Sep 09 15:10 |
| fujiwarat | hi | Sep 09 15:10 |
| *pravins also have one topic today :) | Sep 09 15:11 | |
| dychen | juhp: hi | Sep 09 15:11 |
| juhp | # ja OpenWnn | Sep 09 15:12 |
| Kaio | hi | Sep 09 15:12 |
| tagoh3 | hi | Sep 09 15:12 |
| juhp | well just thought I would mention that android.git seems to include openwnn | Sep 09 15:13 |
| juhp | but realised it is java of course ;) | Sep 09 15:13 |
| juhp | some maybe not terribly useful for us | Sep 09 15:13 |
| juhp | unless someone wants to write a java layer for ibus perhaps ;) | Sep 09 15:13 |
| juhp | originally though it might be interesting to package for fedora... | Sep 09 15:14 |
| juhp | might still be worth looking that the dictionary though? | Sep 09 15:14 |
| phuang | what's is openwnn? | Sep 09 15:16 |
| juhp | phuang: ah Wnn is a japanese IM backend | Sep 09 15:16 |
| juhp | quite old | Sep 09 15:17 |
| fujiwarat | and a commercial product ;) | Sep 09 15:17 |
| juhp | (originally for Unix I guess) | Sep 09 15:17 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: right | Sep 09 15:17 |
| phuang | thanks | Sep 09 15:17 |
| juhp | anyway think we can move on | Sep 09 15:17 |
| juhp | that was mostly a headsup | Sep 09 15:17 |
| ---asgeirf__ is now known as asgeirf | Sep 09 15:18 | |
| juhp | will have a look over the src files later... | Sep 09 15:20 |
| juhp | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/inputmethods/OpenWnn.git | Sep 09 15:20 |
| dychen | juhp: Should we: | Sep 09 15:21 |
| dychen | 1) make ibus-java | Sep 09 15:21 |
| dychen | 2) make ibus-openwnn | Sep 09 15:22 |
| dychen | 3) port ibus to android | Sep 09 15:22 |
| dychen | ? | Sep 09 15:22 |
| fujiwarat | Sounds good with me. It might be good to think about ibus-wnn and ibus-atok. | Sep 09 15:22 |
| phuang | We could do some investigation at first | Sep 09 15:23 |
| juhp | dychen: I think ibus-java would be a complete rewrite :-/ | Sep 09 15:23 |
| dychen | juhp: Not sure how far can JNI go. | Sep 09 15:24 |
| juhp | dychen: jni works with android? | Sep 09 15:27 |
| dychen | juhp: Don't know. | Sep 09 15:28 |
| dychen | juhp: It depends whether/when we want to support android. | Sep 09 15:29 |
| juhp | dychen: it is an upstream issue | Sep 09 15:29 |
| juhp | at least until fedora should support android... | Sep 09 15:29 |
| juhp | no resources for that currently anyway | Sep 09 15:30 |
| juhp | let's come back to bugs at the end | Sep 09 15:30 |
| dychen | juhp: sure. :-) | Sep 09 15:30 |
| juhp | # indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs | Sep 09 15:32 |
| juhp | again more of a headsup | Sep 09 15:32 |
| pravins | juhp: yes | Sep 09 15:32 |
| juhp | but I think pravins has a nice idea of IME phonetic IMEs with dictionaries | Sep 09 15:32 |
| pravins | this IME will give permutation and combination's of user i/p in candidate windows | Sep 09 15:33 |
| pravins | but need to developed soe intelligence based combination, so user should find his accepted string in candidate window | Sep 09 15:34 |
| pravins | s/soe/some | Sep 09 15:34 |
| pravins | might be need some backend dictionary for that | Sep 09 15:34 |
| dychen | pravins: what's i/p ? | Sep 09 15:34 |
| dychen | input? | Sep 09 15:34 |
| pravins | yeah input :) | Sep 09 15:35 |
| pravins | for example say i/p is 'kitab' | Sep 09 15:35 |
| pravins | so candidate windows will show | Sep 09 15:35 |
| dychen | pravins: Sounds quite similar with ibus-pinyin and ibus-chewing. | Sep 09 15:36 |
| pravins | kitab, kiitab, kitaab, kittab i.e | Sep 09 15:36 |
| pravins | dychen: yes | Sep 09 15:36 |
| dychen | pravins: fuzzy match? | Sep 09 15:36 |
| juhp | sure | Sep 09 15:36 |
| pravins | yes | Sep 09 15:36 |
| juhp | it will be first proper indic IME I think | Sep 09 15:37 |
| pravins | yes | Sep 09 15:37 |
| juhp | ok move on? | Sep 09 15:37 |
| pravins | juhp: yes | Sep 09 15:37 |
| juhp | # make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead | Sep 09 15:37 |
| juhp | okay this is actually about fedora ;o) | Sep 09 15:37 |
| dychen | pravins: sounds great. | Sep 09 15:38 |
| juhp | having discussed a bit about @input-methods with clumens in the anaconda rfe... | Sep 09 15:38 |
| pravins | dychen: will talk more once i will start development | Sep 09 15:38 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: does it affects only people who use IM on English locale say? | Sep 09 15:38 |
| juhp | I get a new idea - which I think turns out to "copy" ubuntu | Sep 09 15:38 |
| dychen | pravins: Sure. | Sep 09 15:38 |
| juhp | ie just install ibus and immodule but no IMEs by default | Sep 09 15:39 |
| juhp | tagoh3: right it only affects non-CIJK installs say | Sep 09 15:39 |
| tagoh3 | ok | Sep 09 15:39 |
| dychen | juhp: I do think M$ at this point do a bit better job. :-P | Sep 09 15:39 |
| juhp | dychen: ? | Sep 09 15:40 |
| juhp | then "English" who wants to input japanese say needs to "yum install ibus-anthy" | Sep 09 15:41 |
| dychen | They have some thing like "East Asian" and "Complex support (which covers Thai and Indic)," | Sep 09 15:41 |
| juhp | and it should justwork | Sep 09 15:41 |
| dychen | juhp: ibus-anthy will/should pull in ibus and ibus-libs anyway. :-) | Sep 09 15:41 |
| dychen | Mmm, but not ibus-gtk and ibus-qt. | Sep 09 15:42 |
| juhp | right | Sep 09 15:42 |
| juhp | since they will already be installed ;) | Sep 09 15:43 |
| juhp | dychen: aren't they deps? ;) | Sep 09 15:43 |
| dychen | juhp, IMHO, I am not sure how the *purist* will say about this. | Sep 09 15:44 |
| *dychen thinks *purists* wants to get rid of ibus completely. | Sep 09 15:44 | |
| juhp | dychen: anyway the whole point being to avoid having to install the immodules afterwards :) | Sep 09 15:44 |
| juhp | dychen: well at least we get rid of the IMEs | Sep 09 15:44 |
| juhp | which are the biggest part by far | Sep 09 15:44 |
| dychen | juhp: But, like we said before, what's the point to install ibus without IM? | Sep 09 15:45 |
| juhp | and most users only want one at most | Sep 09 15:45 |
| juhp | so that immodules work | Sep 09 15:45 |
| juhp | until that is fixed... | Sep 09 15:45 |
| juhp | I am saying it is a step in the right direction, not perfect :) | Sep 09 15:45 |
| juhp | so what do people think of actually doing this for f12? :) | Sep 09 15:46 |
| juhp | not sure about Live though | Sep 09 15:46 |
| tagoh3 | well, just one thing - don't they who use English locale and who want to input some languages, do yum groupinstall any languages first? and IMEs are pulled in with it right? | Sep 09 15:47 |
| juhp | dychen: there are still edge cases of course I know | Sep 09 15:47 |
| dychen | juhp: At some point during the installation, we need to ask which input method they want anyway. | Sep 09 15:47 |
| juhp | tagoh3: why groupinstall ? | Sep 09 15:47 |
| juhp | well that was our traditional approach | Sep 09 15:47 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: because no idea how to use that language :) | Sep 09 15:47 |
| juhp | tagoh3: but I think lot of users don't want langpacks say | Sep 09 15:47 |
| juhp | ah no idea which ime | Sep 09 15:48 |
| juhp | true | Sep 09 15:48 |
| juhp | tagoh3: anyway, and? :) | Sep 09 15:48 |
| juhp | see we add conditional immodules to every lang group? | Sep 09 15:48 |
| juhp | so | Sep 09 15:49 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: in other words, we don't need to install ibus too by default for them, no? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| juhp | immodules? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| tagoh3 | could be conditional with the desktop and ibus? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| juhp | or go the old ubuntu way and use xim? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| juhp | tagoh3: ? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| dychen | juhp: Or "Input method solution"? :-P | Sep 09 15:49 |
| juhp | both | Sep 09 15:49 |
| juhp | ? | Sep 09 15:49 |
| tagoh3 | put a conditional with ibus in each desktop section? | Sep 09 15:50 |
| juhp | tagoh3: it is already there | Sep 09 15:50 |
| tagoh3 | doesn't it work then? | Sep 09 15:50 |
| juhp | how does it help with lang support? | Sep 09 15:50 |
| juhp | tagoh3: at install time? | Sep 09 15:50 |
| juhp | dychen: ? | Sep 09 15:51 |
| juhp | in anaconda you mean? | Sep 09 15:51 |
| tagoh3 | hmm, yum doesn't manage which groups are now installed and evaluate conditions with it? | Sep 09 15:51 |
| juhp | tagoh3: indeed not | Sep 09 15:51 |
| tagoh3 | aha | Sep 09 15:51 |
| dychen | juhp: That was your original suggestion. | Sep 09 15:51 |
| juhp | dychen: yeah but getting push back ;) | Sep 09 15:51 |
| juhp | so not sure if it will happen | Sep 09 15:52 |
| dychen | juhp: You will get pushed back, no matter what. ^.^B | Sep 09 15:52 |
| juhp | we could also have meta-packages for ibus but not terribly keen | Sep 09 15:52 |
| juhp | hehe | Sep 09 15:52 |
| *dychen thinks he pulled it back. :-) | Sep 09 15:53 | |
| juhp | I think installing just ibus by default is reasonable compromise | Sep 09 15:53 |
| juhp | phuang: would be even better if ibus could see newly installed IMEs of course ;) | Sep 09 15:54 |
| phuang | juhp, yeah. but many details need considering | Sep 09 15:54 |
| juhp | I know it is a bit hard | Sep 09 15:55 |
| phuang | juhp, including update of of ime, install of m17n sub packages | Sep 09 15:55 |
| juhp | on the other hand one of the reasons we wanted for moving to ibus imho | Sep 09 15:55 |
| phuang | We need to observe all related files | Sep 09 15:55 |
| juhp | phuang: at least for new IME would be nice | Sep 09 15:55 |
| dychen | And for server only installation, ibus but neither ibus-gtk nor ibus-qt | Sep 09 15:56 |
| phuang | how to handle m17n sub packages | Sep 09 15:56 |
| phuang | if user installs some m17n maps | Sep 09 15:56 |
| juhp | dychen: yeah - not like ibus is the only case there fedora | Sep 09 15:56 |
| juhp | in fedora | Sep 09 15:56 |
| juhp | phuang: I can forgive m17n for now :) | Sep 09 15:57 |
| phuang | The most easiest way it kill ibus-daemon in post script of IME's rpm | Sep 09 15:58 |
| juhp | dychen: better than current ibus-* anyway ;) | Sep 09 15:58 |
| juhp | phuang: is it safe? | Sep 09 15:58 |
| phuang | and then imsetting will restart it, | Sep 09 15:58 |
| tagoh3 | phuang: implement any methods to reload it with a trigger outside ibus and kick it from the package? | Sep 09 15:58 |
| dychen | juhp: have't test when you are inputting something. | Sep 09 15:58 |
| juhp | killing doesn't sound right to me | Sep 09 15:59 |
| juhp | hehe | Sep 09 15:59 |
| phuang | Or send other signal to ibus-daemon, ibus-daemon could restart by self | Sep 09 15:59 |
| juhp | phuang: reload? | Sep 09 15:59 |
| juhp | right | Sep 09 15:59 |
| phuang | no reload, restart | Sep 09 15:59 |
| juhp | might be better | Sep 09 15:59 |
| juhp | but frankly we should aim for ibus to do it right not some hack | Sep 09 15:59 |
| phuang | restart can resolve all issues, | Sep 09 16:00 |
| juhp | hmm ok | Sep 09 16:00 |
| juhp | phuang: but it is system resetting user's daemon | Sep 09 16:00 |
| juhp | but suppose it might be good enough | Sep 09 16:00 |
| juhp | for now | Sep 09 16:01 |
| phuang | reload still has some problems, including how to handle the current activated input contexts | Sep 09 16:01 |
| tagoh3 | how to restart from the package's postinst, which isn't running under the expected user's role? | Sep 09 16:01 |
| dychen | Or yet another systray icon says "new IME available, restart ibus to enable it." :-) | Sep 09 16:01 |
| juhp | tagoh3: killall ;o) | Sep 09 16:01 |
| tagoh3 | heh | Sep 09 16:01 |
| tagoh3 | it's not "restart" nor "reload", you said :) | Sep 09 16:01 |
| juhp | dychen: if it can do it that should be able to just add the IME to its lists | Sep 09 16:02 |
| juhp | wonder if I should propose my @input-methods idea to f-i-l and f-d-l | Sep 09 16:03 |
| juhp | nearly out of time here... | Sep 09 16:03 |
| dychen | juhp: the applet can be active by post install script, but add into IME list, like phuang said, has many issues. | Sep 09 16:03 |
| juhp | any bugs to discuss? | Sep 09 16:03 |
| juhp | dychen: true | Sep 09 16:03 |
| juhp | well I am not asking for a solution tomorrow but agreed that it is something we should tackle | Sep 09 16:04 |
| tagoh3 | dychen: again, how to communicate with ibus from postinst? how to know an abstract adress of dbus and ibus? | Sep 09 16:04 |
| juhp | I don't accept that killall is a acceptable solution anyway | Sep 09 16:04 |
| juhp | s/agreed/agreement/ | Sep 09 16:05 |
| phuang | tagoh3, may kill with a signal | Sep 09 16:05 |
| juhp | phuang: ok that might be better | Sep 09 16:05 |
| dychen | tagoh3: No need, it simply shows that users need to restart ibus themselves. | Sep 09 16:06 |
| juhp | killall -USR1 or something | Sep 09 16:06 |
| juhp | dychen: I don't think it is a dream solution | Sep 09 16:07 |
| dychen | juhp: Agreed. It's actually dirty hack. :-) | Sep 09 16:07 |
| juhp | perhaps ibus might even be able to wait for user input to complete?? | Sep 09 16:07 |
| phuang | Or another way, is add a button [restart ibus for new ime] in ibus-setup | Sep 09 16:07 |
| juhp | dychen: haha | Sep 09 16:07 |
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| juhp | phuang: to what extent can the real problem be tackled? | Sep 09 16:08 |
| phuang | If users do not find the IME they want, just need click the icon | Sep 09 16:08 |
| phuang | s/icon/button/ | Sep 09 16:08 |
| juhp | phuang: but it is just restart? | Sep 09 16:09 |
| juhp | maybe tooltip could mention it? | Sep 09 16:09 |
| phuang | juhp, yeah. or just put some label 'If you can not find newly installed ime, please restart ibus by ....' | Sep 09 16:09 |
| juhp | phuang: I think IMEs should be able to update themselves too ideally | Sep 09 16:10 |
| tagoh3 | just put updates with a restart flag. give up to think for rawhide. doesn't it sound good, eh? :) | Sep 09 16:10 |
| juhp | tagoh3: hmm that is desktop restart | Sep 09 16:11 |
| phuang | tagoh3, yeah. we could use restart flags too | Sep 09 16:11 |
| juhp | back to scim | Sep 09 16:11 |
| phuang | :) | Sep 09 16:11 |
| juhp | no thanks | Sep 09 16:11 |
| juhp | but for now we may have to... | Sep 09 16:11 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: we used to restart desktops to change IM! don't see dreams! :p | Sep 09 16:12 |
| juhp | seriously this is something that ibus should do right at least by 2.0 say | Sep 09 16:12 |
| phuang | yeah | Sep 09 16:12 |
| juhp | ok..... | Sep 09 16:12 |
| juhp | long discussion for futurefeature.... sigh | Sep 09 16:13 |
| juhp | any bugs to discuss? | Sep 09 16:13 |
| juhp | dychen: how about bug 509330? | Sep 09 16:14 |
| juhp | .bug 509330 | Sep 09 16:14 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 509330 Press [,] or [.] keyboard have no function to page down or up. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509330 | Sep 09 16:14 |
| juhp | phuang: should we open another bug for | Sep 09 16:15 |
| juhp | .bug 501214 | Sep 09 16:15 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 501214 need better logo and panel icons: light blue ibus icon is not obvious - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501214 | Sep 09 16:15 |
| juhp | i mean for the logo? | Sep 09 16:15 |
| phuang | yeah | Sep 09 16:15 |
| Kaio | like the logo on the rawhide | Sep 09 16:16 |
| juhp | ah but see update | Sep 09 16:16 |
| juhp | maybe it is ok | Sep 09 16:16 |
| juhp | kaio: you mean icon? | Sep 09 16:16 |
| dychen | juhp: it's actually ibus-pinyin. phuang, do you really want me to mock with it? :-) | Sep 09 16:16 |
| Kaio | juhp: trayicon.. | Sep 09 16:16 |
| juhp | ah | Sep 09 16:16 |
| juhp | kaio: yeah we are now asking for better project logo | Sep 09 16:17 |
| Kaio | as marketing? | Sep 09 16:17 |
| phuang | dychen, ? | Sep 09 16:17 |
| dychen | juhp: Actually one community guy just submit an ibus logo? | Sep 09 16:17 |
| dychen | phuang: for bug 509330. | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | dychen: fixed | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | (assignment) | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | sigh | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | that bug has been waiting long time | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | dychen: next place reassign | Sep 09 16:18 |
| juhp | please | Sep 09 16:18 |
| dychen | juhp: Sure. | Sep 09 16:19 |
| juhp | kaio: when will you finish ibus-table-setup gconf? | Sep 09 16:20 |
| dychen | Though myself doesn't mind to "light phuang's load". :-) | Sep 09 16:20 |
| juhp | .bug 513901 | Sep 09 16:20 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 513901 ibus-table setup does not store config settings - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513901 | Sep 09 16:20 |
| phuang | I will check it in rawhide, but it does not happen on my f11 box | Sep 09 16:20 |
| juhp | ok | Sep 09 16:20 |
| juhp | dychen: need to keep bugs moving anyway :) | Sep 09 16:20 |
| phuang | f11 with ibus-1.2.x | Sep 09 16:20 |
| juhp | (not sure why I assigned to dchen anyway :) | Sep 09 16:21 |
| juhp | oh | Sep 09 16:21 |
| juhp | phuang: maybe ask? | Sep 09 16:21 |
| juhp | .bug 521591 | Sep 09 16:22 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 521591 ibus: check if the icon filename is a real file before trying to open it - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521591 | Sep 09 16:22 |
| juhp | phuang: is the patch ok? | Sep 09 16:22 |
| juhp | .bug 509518 | Sep 09 16:23 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 509518 ibus-anthy should only override to jp layout for kana input - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509518 | Sep 09 16:23 |
| phuang | juhp, does not the patch | Sep 09 16:24 |
| fujiwarat | I guess it's not for f12. | Sep 09 16:25 |
| phuang | fujiwarat, yeah | Sep 09 16:25 |
| juhp | ok | Sep 09 16:26 |
| juhp | f11? | Sep 09 16:26 |
| juhp | I think we have to fix 509518 for f12 | Sep 09 16:26 |
| juhp | if no comments I will make it a F12Blocker | Sep 09 16:26 |
| phuang | sure | Sep 09 16:26 |
| juhp | since it is a regression | Sep 09 16:26 |
| juhp | ok | Sep 09 16:27 |
| fujiwarat | Oh, I thought it's f13.. | Sep 09 16:27 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: depends which bug we are talking about :) | Sep 09 16:27 |
| fujiwarat | Oh sorry, I mean 509518 | Sep 09 16:28 |
| fujiwarat | I thought it would be a RFE since we have a workaround. | Sep 09 16:29 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: me too | Sep 09 16:29 |
| fujiwarat | ok | Sep 09 16:29 |
| juhp | not saying how to fix but Shift-2 -> " is not acceptable on us kbd IMHO | Sep 09 16:29 |
| juhp | actually I thought fix should be in IME | Sep 09 16:30 |
| juhp | phuang: anyway please have another look | Sep 09 16:30 |
| juhp | was hoping we could get rid of keyboard override in ibus-setup | Sep 09 16:31 |
| juhp | .bug 514192 | Sep 09 16:32 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 514192 ibus toolbar should use config icon for setup - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514192 | Sep 09 16:32 |
| juhp | I started looking at this | Sep 09 16:32 |
| juhp | looks straightward but needs changes to all IME I guess :-\ | Sep 09 16:32 |
| phuang | get rid of keymap in ibus? and only uses xkb ? | Sep 09 16:32 |
| phuang | juhp, yeah | Sep 09 16:32 |
| juhp | phuang: no I am saying it should be done through IME | Sep 09 16:32 |
| juhp | not globally | Sep 09 16:33 |
| phuang | ic | Sep 09 16:33 |
| juhp | but dunno how much we can do in time for f12 | Sep 09 16:33 |
| juhp | I would say might be better to turn off ibus-anthy override for now if we can't find a proper solution quickly | Sep 09 16:34 |
| phuang | ok. to use xkb as default setting | Sep 09 16:34 |
| phuang | ok? | Sep 09 16:35 |
| fujiwarat | schemas file can be set the default value by locale. | Sep 09 16:35 |
| fujiwarat | If you want hardcoded us layout, probably it might be better to set ja only. | Sep 09 16:36 |
| phuang | we don't like it. jensp, right? | Sep 09 16:36 |
| tagoh3 | I thought that feature isn't yet implemented | Sep 09 16:36 |
| tagoh3 | in gconf | Sep 09 16:36 |
| fujiwarat | no | Sep 09 16:36 |
| fujiwarat | oh, yes done | Sep 09 16:36 |
| <--Kaio has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 09 16:37 | |
| juhp | phuang: well should only be jp for kana input - but still wonder how many people are going to input kana without jp kbd anyway | Sep 09 16:38 |
| juhp | so value seems small to me? | Sep 09 16:38 |
| juhp | phuang: yes | Sep 09 16:39 |
| juhp | I mean just follow system kbd | Sep 09 16:39 |
| juhp | (sorry irc is hard:) | Sep 09 16:39 |
| fujiwarat | ok, I'll give the example change later. | Sep 09 16:40 |
| juhp | okay | Sep 09 16:40 |
| juhp | cool | Sep 09 16:40 |
| juhp | paragan: | Sep 09 16:40 |
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| juhp | .bug 501673 | Sep 09 16:40 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 501673 [indic] Shortcut key should be ctrl+shift for changing keymaps - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673 | Sep 09 16:40 |
| juhp | .bug 239414 | Sep 09 16:41 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 239414 illogical mapping for non-QWERTY keyboard with m17n - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239414 | Sep 09 16:41 |
| juhp | just pinging those | Sep 09 16:41 |
| paragan | ok | Sep 09 16:41 |
| juhp | any plans there? :) | Sep 09 16:41 |
| juhp | wish we could fix 239414 for f12 | Sep 09 16:41 |
| juhp | it is a long-standing bug and would highlight improve with ibus over scim say | Sep 09 16:42 |
| paragan | yes need to work on it | Sep 09 16:42 |
| paragan | ok | Sep 09 16:42 |
| juhp | but I fear it needs upstream changes to label maps that assume qwerty | Sep 09 16:42 |
| dychen | Mmm, not quite sure a table for keylayout <-> input map helps. | Sep 09 16:42 |
| juhp | dychen: why not? :) | Sep 09 16:43 |
| paragan | juhp, is alt + shift was decided as default key for changing keymaps in ibus | Sep 09 16:43 |
| juhp | s/qwerty/US/ | Sep 09 16:43 |
| dychen | paragan: Changing input methods, per se. | Sep 09 16:44 |
| juhp | phuang: can we make Alt+Shift next hotkey for Indic? | Sep 09 16:44 |
| dychen | paragan, what's Windows keybinding for them? | Sep 09 16:45 |
| paragan | dychen, sorry? | Sep 09 16:45 |
| phuang | juhp, current is alt+shift, right? | Sep 09 16:45 |
| juhp | paragan: btw xkb uses Shift+Caps_Lock to switch layout | Sep 09 16:45 |
| juhp | ah | Sep 09 16:45 |
| paragan | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673#c3 | Sep 09 16:45 |
| dychen | paragan: what's windows keybind for switching keylayout/input method? | Sep 09 16:46 |
| paragan | looks to me its alt+shift in ibus and its ctrl+shift in scim | Sep 09 16:46 |
| juhp | phuang: so it's already fixed? | Sep 09 16:46 |
| paragan | dychen, sorry I don't know | Sep 09 16:46 |
| phuang | juhp, no | Sep 09 16:46 |
| dychen | :-) | Sep 09 16:46 |
| juhp | paragan: ah ok (actually reading;) so you want Ctrl-Shift back hmm | Sep 09 16:47 |
| juhp | phuang: so can we have Ctrl-Shift for indic? ;) | Sep 09 16:47 |
| paragan | juhp, phuang yes. That was request got from scim users | Sep 09 16:47 |
| phuang | juhp, we can | Sep 09 16:47 |
| dychen | juhp: Doesn't warren against that idea? :-) | Sep 09 16:47 |
| *juhp doesn't think Ctrl-Shift is a good hotkey | Sep 09 16:47 | |
| phuang | juhp, actually, we like ctrl-shift too | Sep 09 16:48 |
| juhp | phuang: indic only? | Sep 09 16:48 |
| juhp | ah yeah | Sep 09 16:48 |
| phuang | juhp, why indic only? | Sep 09 16:48 |
| juhp | ok let's close wontfix ;-) | Sep 09 16:48 |
| phuang | juhp, we don't like locale different settings. right | Sep 09 16:48 |
| juhp | or any acceptable solution? | Sep 09 16:48 |
| dychen | juhp: I think it Ctrl-Shift is from win95, Alt-Shift is from winxp. | Sep 09 16:48 |
| juhp | hmm | Sep 09 16:49 |
| juhp | I think Alt-Shift is better | Sep 09 16:49 |
| phuang | dychen, really? I think it is ctrl+shift too | Sep 09 16:49 |
| juhp | paragan: I think better indic users got used to it | Sep 09 16:49 |
| juhp | hmm | Sep 09 16:49 |
| juhp | Ctrl is too soft | Sep 09 16:49 |
| juhp | next to shift IMHO | Sep 09 16:50 |
| dychen | phuang: Um, ctrl-shift is for IM within the same locale, alt-shift is for IM "among" different locale. | Sep 09 16:50 |
| juhp | or we leave it open? | Sep 09 16:50 |
| juhp | I don't see a short-term global solution | Sep 09 16:50 |
| dychen | juhp: Maybe stay as-is. | Sep 09 16:51 |
| juhp | dychen: for all langs? | Sep 09 16:51 |
| juhp | okay | Sep 09 16:51 |
| phuang | juhp, I don't know. If me, i like change to the old one 'Ctrl - Shift' :) | Sep 09 16:51 |
| juhp | so wontfix... | Sep 09 16:51 |
| juhp | phuang: yeah I know it is popular in zh | Sep 09 16:51 |
| phuang | ok | Sep 09 16:51 |
| juhp | or deferred? | Sep 09 16:52 |
| juhp | paragan: any more comment? | Sep 09 16:52 |
| paragan | juhp, seems Windows uses Alt+shift as per http://www.conversationexchange.com/resources/keyboard-language.php | Sep 09 16:52 |
| juhp | okay | Sep 09 16:52 |
| juhp | so should be acceptable | Sep 09 16:52 |
| paragan | ok then | Sep 09 16:53 |
| paragan | I will leave resolution for this bug to juhp and phuang | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | closed :) | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | thanks :) | Sep 09 16:54 |
| phuang | ok | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | ok ok | Sep 09 16:54 |
| paragan | ok | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | let's finish - didn't plan to go on so long... | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | but glad we did cover some bugs in detail :) | Sep 09 16:54 |
| juhp | let's try to keep pushing on the bugs for beta | Sep 09 16:55 |
| juhp | # meeting closed | Sep 09 16:56 |
| juhp | phew | Sep 09 16:56 |
| paragan | thanks all | Sep 09 16:56 |
| dychen | Thanks. | Sep 09 16:57 |
| tagoh3 | thanks all | Sep 09 16:57 |
| phuang | thanks | Sep 09 16:59 |
| fujiwarat | thx | Sep 09 16:59 |
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