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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (01 April 2007)</h1>
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<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Bob of any kind here? couf_afk?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away, couf_afk, stickster</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">morning buoys</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">looking a little light in folks today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I forget ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, no, I remember ... if four people, we can vote</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yup, otherwise we just summarize</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sorry I missed last week unexpectedly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll hang out a few minutes to see if glezos shows, since he was thinking of an agenda item apparently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster is making lunch for kids, but mostly paying attention</td><td><a href="#t12:04" class="time">12:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* mull lurks</td><td><a href="#t12:05" class="time">12:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey mull</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">hey</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone mind waiting until :15 to start?  see if any wayward folks arrive?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we may not have enough to talk about anyway ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, this close to release, there is always something to think about.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:06" class="time">12:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* mull notices an outdated screenshot in the DUG</td><td><a href="#t12:11" class="time">12:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">the login screen has changed entirely from what's there...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:12" class="time">12:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mull: Use your wiki powers :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:13" class="time">12:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">hmmm, gotta think of the best way to get a screenshot of gdm login, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we need the screenshot?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:16" class="time">12:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'm not sure.  what sort of feedback have to been getting about the "screenshots are generally bad" email?  I haven't kept up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mull: You can use Xnest to do it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:17" class="time">12:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i.e. gdmthemetester</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:18" class="time">12:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">k, working out deps to install that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Xnest had file conflicts with another Xorg package...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:19" class="time">12:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mull: FC6?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> mull</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster goes PM with mull to keep channel clear</td><td><a href="#t12:20" class="time">12:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Let's just go ahead and barrel through for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:21" class="time">12:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos put something on the agenda about l10n users' access to Makefile</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Can we do that, in addition to po/ stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have no objection, means they can test translations right away</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:22" class="time">12:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, ic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, i suppose we can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's not the .common</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although I suppose we could include a Makefile.l10n instead and have just that r/w</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:23" class="time">12:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Oh, that is actually a very good idea!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is pwoud of himself now</td><td><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oops, didn't mean to sound so surprised :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid retroactively declares</td><td><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ha!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:24" class="time">12:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster volunteers for log/summary duties</td><td><a href="#t12:25" class="time">12:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we solved the first thing :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what is the ? on the FDUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:26" class="time">12:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't know whether that's just a call for status, or what.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jmbabich is stateside for a while and may not be able to do much with it for the next little while</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I see that a contributor has stepped in to work on it a little</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would like to see more folks pitching in.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:27" class="time">12:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but then we get that good ol' inconsistency of style and methods</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:28" class="time">12:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Are we concerned at all about the growing number of guides and the lack of follow-through?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:29" class="time">12:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there shall be some purging, soon enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:30" class="time">12:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">okey-dokey</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here's what I think ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think FDSCo needs to set and enforce some heavy-handed style guidelines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we sort of have, but we are always concerned about offending writers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but you never see Ulrich (bad example!) being nice about someone's coding style</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:31" class="time">12:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That's an excellent point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster rubs hands gleefully</td><td><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And we do have an excellent Style guide on the wiki, thanks to Patrick</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:32" class="time">12:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm happy to tell people what I think they should do, but it would help if we were all consistent together on this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:34" class="time">12:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:35"><td class="action" colspan="2">* BobJensen-Away looks to EvilBob...</td><td><a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hehehe</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:35" class="time">12:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: If it's not documented in our Style docs on the wiki, very easy to add sections</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Then we all have a common cry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:36" class="time">12:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm happy with that style guide, now that I clarified on the active/passive voice stuff :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster forgets the clarification</td><td><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I do see a lot of passive voice still in the Style Guide though :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:37" class="time">12:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Is that OK by you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not necc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just lazy about fixing it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">suppose I can do that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:38" class="time">12:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So I was about to say, the situations where passive voice works better do exist, but they're rare</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We rarely put out "guidelines" or "recommendations" in our technical docs.  Usually it's procedural, and we're indicating exactly what to do.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:43" class="time">12:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Even in a "guideline" situation, you can label active voice with "Use the following guidelines" for an itemized list, and still use active voice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:44" class="time">12:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Ha!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/GeneralGuidelines">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/GeneralGuidelines</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Look at the first admonition</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">"Passive voice should be avoided unless necessary"  :-D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:46" class="time">12:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster decides to give it a pass-through</td><td><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, irony</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster wields the machete</td><td><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is on CommonMistakes atm</td><td><a href="#t12:47" class="time">12:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Do we have any other agenda item updates?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Let me jump in with a status on CVS -- we are now using "xml2po -k".  I will be rebuilding and committing POT/PO today, so there will be commits coming through.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:48" class="time">12:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*end of stickster biznez</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:49" class="time">12:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:50"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster gets rid of "commanding voice" (whatever that means), which necessitates use of "you"</td><td><a href="#t12:50" class="time">12:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:51" class="time">12:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I need to look at GSoC eventually</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">No one here for the other items, let's close the meeting and jam</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:52" class="time">12:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I see Patrick accepted my mentor request</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so now I have a queue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I need to grow some more mentors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll ask on the list :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:53" class="time">12:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Everybody knows Wiki freeze is coming up tomorrow, yes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:55" class="time">12:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2359 IIRC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:57" class="time">12:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid scared!</td><td><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah, looks a little sparse this time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fuckers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster predicts a mad rush post test4</td><td><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">H</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">its because rahul is leaving us out to dry :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">No slam against mether, he carries a lot of buckets</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster: will you ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">send an email to ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:59" class="time">12:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster prepares blog entry</td><td><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f-devel-l?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">both, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: are you on f-maintainers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Please</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Bob-Laptop: can you email f-maintainers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I have not been able to sent email out for 11 or 12 days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yikes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to let the former Extras group know that this is their relnotes, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Bob-Laptop: woah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid takes f-maintainers</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I am working on upgrading the mail server to CentOS 4.92 today it was FC2, something is busted</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Bob-Laptop: Scan bugzilla for things with requires-fedora-release-note flag on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Make sure we have that stuff covered too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think that was the flag name...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: Yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster has got to get to the IG today if possible</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">once I get this mail working I will be in BZ and wiki until we freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I took tomorrow off because I know the notes need work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, Bob-Laptop has BZ</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there may not be much, i haven't looked recently though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I've been keeping an eye on stuff coming on the relnotes mail feed, I don't think there's a walloping lot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sends f-maintainers email and uses "stupidly easy" in it</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">heh, way to tweak 'em</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster will take care of f-devel-l</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm copying your email.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I had pinged Rex to get some KDE info in to  the beats, not sure if anything happened there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Bam!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster kicks it up a notch</td><td><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Are we EOM now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
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