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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting (15 April 2007)</h1>
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<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and good morning, and welcome back jmbuser </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: my eyes read docs but my brain hears meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">agenda at ... <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: nice to be back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: heh, no vacation quite like the end of vacation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Good morning mates, my name is Robert and i'm a brand-new member of the docs project.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">robertjs: Greetings, Robert</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">robertjs: good morning :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">me, too :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Thanks to all :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">kiluawuyu: Good day to you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Thanks a lot :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid updates the agenda a bit</td><td><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   1. Finalize name and structure of Fedora 7 edition of Desktop User Guide - JohnBabich</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   2. Status of delivery test4 relese notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   3. GSoC thinking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   4. Admin Guide discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">   5. L10N other </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">something like that :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: so, lots of DUG discussion, etc.  How are you feeling about it all?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wonders if we lost jmbuser's 'net connection</td><td><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">:p</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid goes to 'cvs up -d' the release-notes module to see how that is in the meantime</td><td><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Do we need to add some other help document into DUG if typical error occurs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: Are you there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, probably a dropped connection</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I am really sorry I got my self "triple booked" this morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: hey, quick q for you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: I should have about 15 minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: since this is a test release, are we looser on the rules about "how much % translated"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for the release notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: Yes, we are only hard core on the final</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think some of what I see here is false fuzziness anyway, from the entities reversal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">as a result some may be in the test4 partially completed but not included in final if no progress is made </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">IIRC we had a 90% rule? is that correct for final?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we may want to ask our L10n experts if that is reasonable, just be sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(we can follow up on that separately)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1 to that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I like "any attempt" to be in the tests as a way of encouraging the translators</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it looks like we are a day ahead of schedule, I think the releases schedule bumped up by a day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is working on agenda item 2 in case it isn't clear</td><td><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">making sure we are ready to deliver the release-notes package in time for test4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(also the about-fedora and homepage modules)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: RE: about-fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">did we find a solution to the issue with that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: I *think* we have something working, but I forget the details</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid writes an email of a few questions for stickster_afk </td><td><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">OK, just checking, I was a little out of the loop on that item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no worries, me too :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">et voila!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">We are checking out a new camping area this morning for our first campout planned for June 8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I'm back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">un bad net connection</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid high-5s BobJensen-Away </td><td><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">excellent</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Was it just me?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: we just finished with agenda item 2, held on for your return ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">My ride is just about here so i am going to take off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I know how your connection can be at times</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: Apologies for my stinking ISP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: thanks, see you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser_: so, let me dig up my opening question for you ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: so, lots of DUG discussion, etc.  How are you feeling about it all?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid == king of open questions</td><td><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I would like to get agreement from everyone on the DUG (or new name to be determined) that we should have one doc with different sections covering the default (GNOME) and including KDE and (perhaps) Xfce. There would be common topics such as OpenOffice.org and Firefox.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">agreed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser_ waits for input</td><td><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid +1</td><td><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I was pretty clear abou that on list :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">(but i must run...heading out to a concert)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> JonRob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">have fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">It will be necessary to explain what a desktop (window manager) is and that GNOME is the default</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll find a way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I had one question/thought ... would it help to have ...a checklist of what needs to be done in a section for it to be task-oriented v. reference-oriented</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and a list of all sections and how much of that is completed, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Agreed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">This initial set of apps sounds good to start. The main usage is Desktop windows and panels, Web browsers and office suite.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">checklist == derived from recent reviews and discussions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Now for the name - should we keep it Desktop User Guide or change it to something else, like Fedora New User Guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Humm...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I think it's better to have "fedora" within the name~~</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I will prepare an outline and a checklist for people to track progress</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or ... Fedora User Guide and show "expert" sections as incomplete?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Is the document 100% fedora specific?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1 to Fedora in the name, that seems solid</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: yes, in that it is only what can appear in the distro (OOo, Fx, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1 on Fedora in the name</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Could it be used as the base for a generic linux users document?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">My oppinion is that Fedora User Guide is better to the goal of manual.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Linux users document maybe too big</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: it could, although those exist ... but there is some value in that, if we can connect across to other projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Fedora User Guide (with possible Advanced sections added in the future) sounds good to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">me too~</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf comes back</td><td><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">See my thinking is if we keep s somewhat generic name then distros based on Fedora could also make use of it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser_: how about we specify e.g. three tasks to complete with each tool and how to do it?  or some decision on tasks that can be described</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen-Away: they can rename it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: Like some advanced settings or some basic command line topics?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, one thing that is true ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">The challenge is to meet our immediate need for Fedora while keeping it generic enough for upstream</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have considered that *all* of the smaller guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">can be stitched together into one Fedora Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the DUG == new users section</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... and that is a goal of the project</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">OK ride is now here, I I just want it to be known that keeping the name "Fedora" out of the title would be a good thing in general just for the big picture</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't think it's needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since the title can be changed by downstream</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">OPL and all that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> BobJensen-Away</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that is just My opinion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser_ is considering the options</td><td><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I agree that Fedora should stay in the title</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Three tasks: 1. Common topics (OpenOffice.org, Firefox, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">2. GNOME apps presented as default apps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">3. KDE apps given as alternate apps (Konqueror, for example)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser_ awaits response</td><td><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Suggestion for new title: Fedora User Guide (emphasis on beginners)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">agreed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">agree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">hmm, I wouldn't do that: KDE users will like to see just the default kde-apps and not get confronted with: 'hey konqueror is an alternative"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Fedora User Guide with Desktop user and system administrator?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">couf: I like KDE apps, but historically it's been a GNOME desktop</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">+1 to FUG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jmbuser_: true, but we're getting a kde spin this time, with *just* kde on it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: it's more like ... KDE is not default, here  is KDE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or KDE is default :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so neither is an alternative in the sense of "lesser" but in the sense of "other"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">We can keep KDE apps without use the word "alternative", just presenting it as more one free choice.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">like divide each chapter into a gnome part and kde part</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">System Administrator Guide would be a separate doc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">what about a whole Gnome part and a KDE whole part</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">couf: It normally works!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">couf: Tho splited sections in same chapter.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">OK, most people are going to use Firefox, but Konqueror is a worthy alternative - how to present it is the issue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Two*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I'm just pointing out that we can't relay start off as: fedora is gnome, kde is alternate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Just present and leave off the GNOME/KDE labels - since the software installer will resolve all the dependencies?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">hmm, see what opens by default in a kde spin, and what defaults in a gnome spin?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">we should just state the defaults, as a beginner-oriented guide, imo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">That occurred to me, but do we have the time and resources to produce a specific version for each spin - i don't think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Maybe for a future release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jmbuser_: that depends, if we can get the kde sig into the game, the kde version can rock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the main time sink there is the 2(Wiki) => 2(XML)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: good point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">putting up the structure on the Wiki is a key first step, empty structure, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yeah give them the tools to do it, we'll handle the rest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh, no, jmbuser!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: do you think the KDE SIG will be more interested if we show a strong separation?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">v. "scroll down below the GNOME info and put in the KDE version there"?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I really don't know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">what about a KDE Plus section?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">on the other hand, if they see all this gnome stuff written, they might want to do even better :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we can use Include() to make them separate yet pulled together</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to be easier to work  one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's one thing I like about MediaWiki, being able to edit == sub sections == separately</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Shall we put the regular things together and then add more words on what KDE could do?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid:+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Section:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">   sub section:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">   sub sectoin:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">like this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">kiluawuyu: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Agree :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">all right, maybe we should just start something else while awaiting jmbuser's return</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh, i thought we'd end up discussing DUG all meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">without glezos, it's not worth discussing the GSoC and L10N connection</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">admin guide then, robertjs that seems to be yours</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I should just send a GSoC update to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: right, glezos' app got selected, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf should stop typing "right"</td><td><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and a few others for us, and some interest in people who didn't get their apps acceptd to work on it anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I joined docs-project intending colaborate writing the sections of the Admin Guide's sections.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: great :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, we'll have 3 or 4 docs/l10n focused projects this summer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">As I'm Braziliam my aim is write thos stuff in English and Portuguese</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nman64_away: who is Jeff Sheltren?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Anybody here started write some section?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">robertjs: yeah that guide needs some love</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">couf: It will get a lot ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser 195 229 25 134]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Good grief!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wb jmbuser</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">robertjs: I would say: dive in :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I actually was wrapping up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I posted a Self Presentation message on the discussion list, talking about my plans. Ill need help off native english speakers to revisions about my spelling :P</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser waits turn</td><td><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">robertjs: no problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here, let's finish FUG discussion, just to tie back in what we suggested while jmbuser was gone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">In the future i plan attack the current docs usggestin and write some new "in depth" docs about sysadmin topics.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: we thought we could get the KDE SIG more involved, use a set of stub sections to entice them, and design it on the Wiki as Include() based to make it easier to work on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">this is all for now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">robertjs: sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">To sum up:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">1. New title: Fedora User Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">2. New structure (using includes)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">3. Common, GNOME (default), KDE (have you considered...?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">4. Encourage KDE SIG to join in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">5. Make F7 Deadline</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That's my viewpoint</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser finishes his contribution due to lousy internet</td><td><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> kiluawuyu</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">F7 Deadline is included in FUG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">should we reconsider the topics, or go with the current flow?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: for 3, note that KDE is default on the KDE spin, so we want to make it clear that it's two choices, then from there ..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: a thought on that ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: That can flip based on includes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we want to pick e.g. 3 to 5 tasks per topic, make sure they are covered as how-to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">some things are obvious -- menu section == how to find stuff in these menus, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but for OOo or FX ... would that help?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">OOo is to big to do that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I'd just explain what each different program does, but a bit more detailed then now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Agreed, OOo is vast and we can only explain the basics of how to launch the app and point to other resources</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">FX is more of a: this is browser, go to google and start there :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: We can mention themes and extensions for Firefox, but can't get into depth</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we can deep link to some OOo docs perhaps</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... or go into how to hook OOo up for printing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, that's off topic for this meeting that needs to come to an end</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> robertjs</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Dudes, I must to go now. Later i will look the chat log. Cya on discussion list or here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, yeah, we need to finish</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yeah indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
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