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<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stale docs... Fresh Docs are better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster_work: do you want to kick that off?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Do we have examples of what does are now stale?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Bob-Laptop: some translations of the TQSG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">we haven't found a way to monitor the "expireness" of docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">even with per-release docs like the relnotes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Looking at <a href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/</a> I don't even see our most popular document from what mmcgrath was telling us, "SElinux"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">maybe we should create a big, single table with all our docs, their published points and their last updates to help management?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">for reference only, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't know what to suggest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- |DrJef| [n=onefjef@fedora/Jef]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is finishing a call, sorry he's distracted</td><td><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">done!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Do we have examples of what does are now stale?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think Plone best handle this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or it's not a CMS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but automagic notice?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's going to require CVS + CMS magic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I recommend ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">when daMaestro asks us onlist for requirements for Plone, we make sure this is there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"Automagic notice of when a document is stale with translations"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and maybe automagic changing of an icon "Document trans out of date"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Should I call daMaestro and get him in here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf returns after being called away, sorry</td><td><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: you don't see that document because it hasn't been updated since FC5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: I'd like to do it onlist</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: K</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: that will help Jon track things also</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sends that email he forgot to send</td><td><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I've already given him crap that I'm going to watch to make sure the RH internship doesn't distract too much :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right now, afaict, the Plone stuff is the highest priority activity in all of FEdora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but that's just my opinion :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I see a need to get the SElinux Document updated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I emailed dwalsh about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">things have changed a lot</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he was on the Cc: of my last message</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, I'm guessing we don't have the real knowlegde to keep that up2date</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I would be willing to work with Dan to get the SElinux stuff updated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's the thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we need to reconsider how we do that document</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we do need to move the FAQ to the Wiki for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it would be updated if it had been in the Wiki, because Dan has been working on that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Dan's Blog has a ton of stuff in it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid knows the evils of moving content backward to the Wiki, though</td><td><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">BobJensen: There used to be quite a few pundits recommending to turn selinux, which seemed to have prompted many of the searches AFAICT</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fucking developers ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">s/selinux/selinux off/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if they would take 1/10th of their blogging time and make it actually part of the project ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: right, and we need clear docs that say why those pundits are wrong :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Now selinux is very stable and is considered a big plus</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fwiw, I passed on the maintainership a while ago, and that person has dropped maintaining it, despite nagmails and such</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the best way from here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is to enable the developers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: we should definitely nag the developers to write at least a decent doc which can be improved</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or ... push the content upward to the SELinux Wiki and likn there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">can we link to the selinux faq? <a href="http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/info/faq.cfm">http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/info/faq.cfm</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We need plone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">period</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and add some fedora-specifcs in the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">BobJensen: +1000</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: that one is useless to users, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">on top of that we need plone to do what we need</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: didn't really check it, came up as top-google search</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux/FAQ">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux/FAQ</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we could dump all of the FC5 FAQ there and ask the Fedora guys to update it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then setup a redirect from docs.fp.o/selinux-faq/.* to go there :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or could we use the RHEL4 SEL Guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://selinuxproject.org/page/Main_Page">http://selinuxproject.org/page/Main_Page</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">opening that can again ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: that piece of shit :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah those worms are now snakes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">also outdated :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hey it's better than nothing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the question is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does FEdora need a Fedora-specific how-to/FAQ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or should we donate the content to selinuxproject.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and redirect all stuff there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, isn't SELinux generic enough to not need FEdora-specific stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">aI think Dan would have to answer that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true dat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, we should give Dan some time to anwser and see from then on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Having a "fedora" document does have some value IMO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">When most people search for solutions they are including "fedora" in the query</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true dat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, dan isn't around, I'll email him separate to get his attention,</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ready to finish statle doc discussions?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so remove thoose docs (like ol' translations)?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">plus even if they are using DistroX and they do not include the distro name in the search maybe they find our document and give Fedora a look for their next distro</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1 next item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">remove old</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sometimes it's not neccesary, since the difference isn't important</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">heh, that's actually the basic question imo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">other times it is a big difference</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, case-by-case?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, um</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">do we need to decide here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or can we discuss and decide on list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'd say list, could get some translaters attention and make them update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for paul's specific question, I think remove and send email to f-trans-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, moving on ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, we need to keep our momentum going with the current guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is anyone spread too thin to keep their momentum?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid notices raven updated the TQSG trans for pl today</td><td><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: translators need to be informed when the POT changes and these POTs should appear on the statistics page so that one can see where his language is lacking, how many strings behind etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">momentum is at a crawl here but you all know that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">heh that's where you come in glezos :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">momentum is a bit slow here aswell, lot's of daily life, should be better in a week or two</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">when I'll try to get started with the AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, we /= just FDSCo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">BB in 5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for example, jonrob is doing a lot lately, is he spreading himself too thin?  should we recommend/ask him to focus on just one guide?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid picks on jonrob as an example only!</td><td><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">aah good point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid remembers his AOB was "FDSCo elections"</td><td><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we want a gang-on approach</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">all gang-on FUG, then all gang-on AG, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid thinks our TLAs are a bit risque</td><td><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: +1 on concentrated approach - prioritize and conquer one at a time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hmm yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> Bob-Laptop</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe we should</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I mean, I could contribute a bit to each guide in series better than in parallel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone thing that is a bad approach right now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or other objections to it?  expansions?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I propose these priorities:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I like the team work idea as long as we have a "master editor" to fix things like tone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. SMG (split) => UG, AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. UG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3. AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry,w ait</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3. SpinG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4. AG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5. Devel Guide and/or RPM Guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: maybe that is the lead writer's job?  and then an editor comes afterward</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: Does the editor do the XML conversion?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: I think that is a team effort</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: since it isn't automated yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no one is forced to help, but no reason not to :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have no desire to write anything in the wiki at this point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: where do you want to write?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: LOL I don't even know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I will figure that out and do something</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: I asked jonrob (iirc) to get with fedoraunity.org to decide where the upstream was for Revisor docs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:56" class="time">09:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">check out the recent threads there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we have two separate live media needs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1. Help document the new GUI tool (revisor)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> - these should be the docs that are in the package (/usr/share/doc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2. Write a Fedora Spinning Live Media Guide that tells how-to do some common stuff using these tools</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> - "make a live CD" "make a custom distro" </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> - </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> - "make a USB live media that boots and shit"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> BobJensen</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Yeah we are a bit slpit on where we want upstream to be, I will force a decision, if they don't have one yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: the last guide sounds like something that should be written on the wiki rather than on a guide. (freqent changes)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">for the record +1 on the team effort idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">BobJensen: we're cool with fu being the upstream, from a content view, IMHO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: rockin'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: good enough for now, we can make a stub for where the Plone version lives</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">since Plone has a WYSIWYG HTML editor, there is *no* reason to continue using the Wiki for docs drafting :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: right.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">e.g. docs.fp.o/spinning-live-media/ has a link or a redirect to the Wiki version until we can Plone-ify it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hey maybe a sort of round trip, we do the guides, release time (relnotes and IG), we revise the guides again, blabla</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: I thnk it is working out that way, sort of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">while it's nice to have all new content with a release ... well, stuff changes after the release, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if the community can edit the docs after a release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, but this time do everything as team effort</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, we immediately copy over the old into the new and start updating live</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">.... with a way to mark that content has been updated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe it appears in RED if it hasn't been marked as updated for the latest release :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">absolutly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we've hit our hour btw</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can give Plone status in a few lines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I asked Jon to get his requirements list from f-docs-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to heavily participate there, kick out a Wiki page later, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is lots of existing stuff to work from</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he is waiting for Plone 3 release and availability</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do we need to flesh out workflows etc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid pastes in Jon's email</td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid pastes in Jon's email</td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> What I need from docs is a feature</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">list. There are a lot of cool things we could do, but I would like to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just do what we will actually use. Maybe something that would be helpful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for everyone would be an example document workflow. Some example flow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that shows how a document would make it from an end-users keyboard to</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">our structured documentation platform. Some other things that would be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">helpful to me would be a draft of "where" we can edit documents from.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Such, once a document is published to the platform.. does it leave the</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wiki (if that is where it was started)? Another question that is more</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">technical, what VCS back-end are we wanting to use? What document</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">storage format? Does anyone have any ideas on "states" we can put our</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">documents into? How many teams will be working on a given document? How</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">are we going to define roles? Are we going to be able to use FAS2?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser is back</td><td><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmbuser: topic Plone update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, I asked him to bounce that to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is a certain amount of that existing under DocsProject/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and in our brains :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my only AOB</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is to say that it's time to start planning FDSCo elections and sucession stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Plone update -> list discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heads up to those who missed it, RHT appointed me to the Project Board effective 1 July</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><round of applause></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">coincidentally, I had already pledged to *not* run for FDSCo chair</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although I'll certainly run for the committee itself</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: saw it - congrats</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thanks :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, in the best interests of all, having me out of this seat without too much crossover is a good idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just so the chair here gets enough focus, which I don't give enough currently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, that was that, just that we need to pick a date, how about by next meeting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can discuss on list as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well yeah, the real elections would be in August-September (Feb + 6)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">but we could use the intermediate to settle the new chair</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: So you joining the board will mean that you will be at the next FUDCon, great</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: Is there a rule for succession?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: oh, that long?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm not trying to get out early :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was thinking it was end of July</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">the targeted release dates have been suggested</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how about we put this topic aside until the end of July</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it'll be here before we know it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I would hope that we would have Aug and Feb Elections</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">26 Aug is 6 months</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so it should be rolling by mid-August</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">that would put our elections halfway between releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">"Current schedule is the first two weeks in February and August,"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is what the pages say</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that was the point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, I forgot to read that page before talking it up here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's talk about this in 30 days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any other bidness?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">If quaid needs/wants us to get a new chair before that I feel we should respect his wishes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">EvilBob: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">the new chair would simply get an extra month or two IMO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">EvilBob: Is it an election or an appointment?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">jmbuser: FDSCo decision</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">true all of that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I wasn't trying to squirm out early</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jmbuser: we had agreed that the FDSCo would choose their own leader</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can wait 60 days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but if you guys feel my attention is too split, let's fix it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I dunnot yet what FPB is going to mean</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it might be the same plus a few additional meetings</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">FDSCo decision is fine by me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jmbuser: if someone is inteested perhaps a 2 month co-chair is a solution</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">another good idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah very good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">a breaking in period if you will</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">have a vice-chair like other-projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we've gotten away with not doing that because, erm, RHT pays me to be on IRC during my work hours :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but it's not really fair to anyone, IMHO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, steady on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there is nothing else ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">rather than tabling this for a month how about we think on it for two weeks and adress ideas then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">a month is a long time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">EvilBob: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I've put up some issues concerning our docs source structure, but these could be discussed on-list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">if anyone is interested in being the new chair bring your resume to that meeting in two weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Motion to close the meeting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">coolness</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: good call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid notes for the Brits in the audience, "tabling" is being used in the American vernacular, "to put aside for discussion later"</td><td><a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">where in the Brit vernacular, 'tabling' means "to put the idea on the table right now for discussion"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">OK!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">interesting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: yeah, one of my favorites because of how (in)obvious it is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">more?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no mas?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nope, close away</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">deal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wrap it up boss</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><tradition/></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Happy New Year!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
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