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<h1>Desktop/FDSCo-irclog-19-june-2007.log</h1>
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<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">howdy all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we know how it is with Paul, so here we are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">huh? did I miss something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:03" class="time">09:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just that he's here sort of</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, short agenda today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">first item then ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone feeling secretarial today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">me!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:05" class="time">09:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">woohoo :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quick fist point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf bows to jmbuser </td><td><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm guessing stickster_afk put in the second item ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">BTW, on release notes, is someone feeling moody to make them again to work with the language auto-selection?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's avail in F7 now, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: we haven't enabled it for F7, although we should, because the Firefox language bug was fixed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right, that's what I mean, bug fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">oh sorry. yes, it's fixed since FF2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">basically someone needs to enable it somewhere in the Makefile, and it would be nice if stickster wasn't the one (again) :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">anyway, I'll open a bug report and we'll see from there.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have a need for some help in tools/CVS</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sends email to the list</td><td><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">request sent</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">seems to work for Mike</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as for this agenda item ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone available to work on the Wiki-diff => XML?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid notes this is easy stuff, just takes a few hours</td><td><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I could get it done this weekend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">maybe Friday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos shamelessly notes that couf has experience on that.</td><td><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">need to run, bb in 10 min</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I don't think there is a hurry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there are just new changes to get out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and get translated, of course</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: what doc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ah relnotes, sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: since you stepped out, we'll accept your offer :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: can you email the list and see if anyone else wants to help/learn?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: so we can push the update both for relnotes and homepage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">emphasize easy + good learning :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: all the same package (f-r-n)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I think that is all there was to that item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster_afk can add anything else later, or to the list, if he needs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">move along?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:20"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] </td><td><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the Director for Launching split. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll send out the log</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83]  has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: heh.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">next/last item ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jmbuser is back - so much for logging</td><td><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we decided last week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: I'll send out the log; do you want me to leave the log2html to you? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">last week we decided to tackle the current guides one-at-a-time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I didn't make any announcement about that, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">suggestions on approach?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: important ones first?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, we set the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that can adjust</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's more ... how do we get people involved who aren't sitting here right now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... or do FDSCo members want more to do?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I know jmbuser does :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: modularize work in small independent pieces</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: for example: FDP Task 524: Get the install-guide. Copy GNOME's audio applications XML file and adjust it to cover the KDE ones.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that sounds like a lot of work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one could spend a lot of time organizing like that :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: really? more than, like, one hour?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos thinks of the number of new members we have had in the past 5 months and how many of them *did* find a way into contributing, and gets a bit sad.</td><td><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">welcome to the club!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I *really* think that we try to leave the abstract, not-precisely-defined tasks behind for new members and request from each maintainer to write up from 3 to 10 small tasks that a new member could tackle with his help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Even if this means that he might spend more time explaining for 50% of them. Cause then the newbie won't be a newbie any more.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I agree with the drill</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We could even arrange a time window for online collaboration (or call it help from the experienced, whatever)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, that means us, basically</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and a few others on list :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I admit that lately I've been overwhelmed trying to get to that position you describe</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">where I am able to get something to where someone else can step in and help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just the task list itself is like that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: the tasks need to be less vague and more directed, with steps.. :-/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: that's what I'm saying</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've had that task to do that for about three weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and it's not getting done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I think we need to keep on keeping on while some tools are put into place...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: I'm saying that I agree with what you are saying 100%, but I am not able to make it happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: OK, we can split it with each maintainer. I can handle homepage for example, and the translation infrastructure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, let's go with that ... ask maintainers to put up 3 to 10 definite tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and to put them in a sub-page, linked from the main tasks page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: well, we can try, right? Experiment.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1.. I almost forgot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Maybe we should re-consider the meeting time?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I'll try to get this task list in shape to be abused by everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so that stickster could attend.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, you've seen the open times ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> paulobanon</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hi all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><td class="action" colspan="2">* stickster_afk comes back from meeting</td><td><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster</td><td><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> paulobanon</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">when is the docs meetings ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I'm sure some of us could reconsider our open times. Paul is one of the most important members of FDSCo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">thpppt, I'm just another nobody</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: shut up. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">paulobanon: 1600 UTC on Tue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: can you send out an email to the list on that subject then?  point back at the page we made with meeting times, get others to adjust, look for a new hole</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">So it looks from my IRC buffer that we've been tangentially discussing #2 and #3 here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the intersection I guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tasks, motivating, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf returns aswell</td><td><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm trying to make the tasks list a template others can fill</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Good idea that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">ow yeah, that'd be nice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> paulobanon</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">quaid: mmm thats like 8am PST ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">paulobanon: 9a</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">I will find some small tasks to get people started on some of our core technologies.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">We've got to find people who are willing to do more than just fill in a wiki page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think they are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we just aren't enabling people easily</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: exactly.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is an unintended barrier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is in all FLOSS projects</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but writers would be good too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we're trying to break through thoses classic barriers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: even new writers need specific tasks to get started..</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> stickster</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, stubs are there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and so are the laundry list that can provide some source for new tasks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid makes some more tweas</td><td><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tweaks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyone know how to force a linebreak in Wiki syntax?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">equiv. to <br/></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">[[BR()]   ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a macro?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, seen that happen, can't remember where though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wow, that worked</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think it's <BR></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:58" class="time">09:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh, it's moin, it's strange in more than one way ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: want me to send you the log directly, or should I convert and post it, and let you do just the summary?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">winding down ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid starts the closure countdown</td><td><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> couf</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">kill it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
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