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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting - 12 Mar 2008</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser is present, so am I</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid gets the agenda rolling ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster was here ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so three of us at least</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: it's your topic up first, btw</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Mailing list spam and moderation</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster here</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hmm, without Bob I don't think we get the full impatc</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but aiui</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">he was concerned with list moderators stepping on each other</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">outside of designating hours of coverage (horrors!)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we just have to be careful</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and make sure we know what we are rejecting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for this I use the Mailman WebUI to be sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">quaid: Is there any way to prevent the spam mail from cloggin up my webmail?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">s / cloggin / clogging /</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">filters?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">also ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Mike was going to adjust our filters</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but afaict he hasn't</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I don't know quite what to do there and haven't found anyone who can help</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid tries not to say M I K E ' s name so as to not distract him from FAS2 fun</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">The signal-to-noise ratio drops drastically with spam and causes me to miss real information</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hmm</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm not sure if the spam filters drop the message before it gets to the queue</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'll drop mike an  email about the filters</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">thanks</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, that's about what we can do</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: are you using the web interface for moderating?  or still using the reply-to in the email stuff?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Hm, I haven't seen any spam on f-docs-l.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">quaid: web interface</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Maybe it's my Gmail at work?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: it doesn't land on list, it hits the moderation queue</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Oh that.</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so it's moderator email that you see</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, anything else here?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">*AH*.  I've been getting a BOATLOAD of that on f-a-b and f-board-l that I do have to moderate, so fair enough.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: mike figured out a formula for using RHT set spam assassin headers</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">quaid: I've been considering simply rejecting email from non-subscribers, at least on f-board-l.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I just sent him email, once I get the details, i'll publish and advertise to list admins</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: then you lose the people who we ask to reply to the board</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">s/non-subscribers/non-subscribers who aren't preapproved/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">aiui, the SA headers are present and can be used by Mailman</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Aha</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">OK, not to drive this into the ground, sorry all.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I just want to avoid re-doing Mike's figuring here, so I'll see what he says, then try it on f-docs-l ...etc.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, moving on ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">If it works, let me know and I'll follow suit</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid looks back up 9 lines in his buffer</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Access to wiki/Docs content and what content belongs there</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">did we talk about this before?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I thought we agreed that, following the MW move</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">, we would deprecate Docs and remove ACLs</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">s/Docs/Docs and Docs/Drafts/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">quaid: sorry, can you clarify that a bit?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">based on the WikiGardening scheme</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we have two major areas:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">project-specific and content-specific</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and within that a set of common trees to layout</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">e.g.:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Virt/QuickStart/9/Draft</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Virt/QuickStart/9/ <== real thing</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">etc.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid always gets this order in correct</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in other words, we are flattening the structure up a few levels and removing a Docs/ specific area</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">because the idea is, wiki = community documentation all by ytself</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">makes perfect sense</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, I thought we discussed this but I don't really see anything updated anywhere on that ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Are there any more agenda items we should discuss?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">quaid: That's correct, we did agree to remove "Docs/" from the namespace.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sorry, yes ...</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster dragged off again, sorry.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I was trying to figure some stuff out to no avail</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Disagreement last week came with the question of hierarchies and how useful they are on the wiki.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I can take them or leave them, no biggie.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, that's true</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I guess ...</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we should define a standard that people can choose to follow</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I think search levels the playing field -- when we have a wiki where that's worth something :-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Then hierarchies make sense.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- wiki structure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">heh</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: sorry, when do hier. make sense?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Sorry, I skipped Step 2 in my brain.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">2. As long as there are Docs people to herd the cats (pages).</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">a</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">h</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">zydoon</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ZiedFakhfakh</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that is sort of a given</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we must have more wiki watchers</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Well, I use "make sense" loosely</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I mean "are no less tolerable than any other method" :-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Otherwise we're building process for no purpose.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and more watchers == more guidelines so we aren't reteaching the same stuff</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">*nod</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">codification of what is already there v. creating from scratch</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">man!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">question:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">heh</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">should Docs own this wiki project management function?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">or do we need a Wiki SIG?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*jwb sighs</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid eyes jwb</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">speak lad!</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">i don't want to place more burden on Docs, but a Wiki SIG sounds like a failure for using a Wiki at all</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">Wiki == anyone and everyone can change stuff</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and as we make it easier to get a wiki account</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that means more of that</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I guess I don't mind it as a Docs function, myself; it seems to make sense, in that a wiki == community documentation so is a Docs function, right?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">that's what i was thinking, but i might be misunderstanding your overall resources and scope</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">to answer my own question, i think we need to own it and work it hard and recruit for help whilst enabling the poor buggers</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">jwb</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">anyway, don't put too much weight to my comments</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">part of that is encouraging active page "ownership" by content/subject matter experts</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and having an army of fixers and watchers who keep things tidy :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">WikiAntz</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I think a wiki can be accessible to all and still have areas that need more structure and control with limited access</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">as well as WikiAntz</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid just wants a CMS for the structure and control parts, but ph34rs that horse is a'dyin'</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">*sigh*</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">this is a list discussion we need to get active on, imo</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*jwb likes the term WikiAntz</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so I'm going to move it there, maybe after I clean up some unclarities in WikiGardening</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">people could watch pages by alphabet</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">just set A.* in your watch area to watch all the A-stuff</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid picks [XxYyZz.*] </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, then, if there are no objections to that motion ?</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'll do the ones I know for the record, then EOF</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* relnotes -- working with mdious, stickster and I are imparting knowledge; I did BIG updates to the processes last night, check DocsProject/WorkFlow to get started; DP/Wiki2XML tells all for now; updates are coming in; push more people to provide more updates</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">blog, blog, blog</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* DUG -- worked with Marc yesterday to get him started with CVS skel; he has the wiki2xml notes; we're planning next picking a chapter (Introduction.xml) and doing it one step at a time; this lets us check the modern how-it's-done-in-this-Moin-version so we can update e.g. release-notes/devel/xmlbeats</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* SMG -- still need feedback to jsmith on the conversion; with this feedback he may be able to give more help to the wiki2xml notes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">EOF</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if there is no one to speak for the others ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think the AG is in a similar boat as the DUG; we're just trying to get one done and converted</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">There are a lot of things hinging on people getting up to speed on XML conversion issues</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">DUG addendum -- paul and I have done some edits on there for finalization; wish there were more people who could do that or learn to do that final edit</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I just found out that I may be unavailable for a lot of Sunday, because my realtor wants an open house all day.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">quaid: +1 that, no one else has signed up even for wordsmithing.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: Pls. ensure that ^^ makes it into the minutes.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: got a moment to drop a beg for wordsmithing to the list?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I mean, there are competent editors out there</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">You got it man</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and the StyleGuide is clear</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster composes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in fact, I listed out all the specific areas to check in the fixes I did last night</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid pulls up a link</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*fcrippa (n=fcrippa@83.225.5.137) has joined #fedora-meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, meanwhile ...</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*glezos_afk (n=glezos@ppp201-131.adsl.forthnet.gr) has joined #fedora-meeting</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Any other bidness?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos_afk</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">LUG meeting took longer than usual :/</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">glezos_afk: Greetings</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos_afk</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">sorry guys</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">np</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickster: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML</a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*stickster does a beg</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">OK, well I missed that part, but the beg was for low-hanging fruit anyway.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*glezos_afk is now known as glezos</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right o</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if there is no more to discuss ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*quaid closing in 10 seconds</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">5 ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td></tr>
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