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<h1>IRC Log of FDSCo Meeting - 26 Mar 2008</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">disco</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *DSCO meeting, gathering the souls</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- jmtaylor [n=jason fedora/jmtaylor]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Documentation, wooo!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">docmentation lad</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *edora Documentation Project -- it's all about the Docs, baby!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">lesson one of the wiki, if you have a page loaded, don't edit that, edit in a new tab, because there is no guarantee you'll get it up in time for the meeting to start</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *Documentation!SCo mt*Colophon policy for release notes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">by golly, a new thing to discuss</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fiesta</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- smooge [n=smooge canopus unm edu]  has left #fedora-meeting ["-ENOTIME"] </td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster takes credit for new topic</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, so who knows anything about this?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">you may speak</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">*t*www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-March/msg00152.html</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">The responses so far are unanimous that #2 is the solution, wipe the Colophon each release and gather it again based on CVS commits and other activity.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Makes for easier tracking (i.e. only have to do it for the release we're in)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1 to #2</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">And if you want your name in, you better get hoppin'*</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- schlobinux_ [n=xavierb AGrenoble-257-1-112-6 w90-27 abo wanadoo fr]  has left #fedora-meeting [] </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I'm +1 to #2 as well.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">yeah and the old names are still available in other versions of the relnotes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Exactly.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- gospo [n=gospo nat/redhat/x-999a994c8af35a5e]  has left #fedora-meeting [] </td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid looks, one second</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">*here do we start? as in everyone who committed to devel since the F-<previous version> branch or after the pot-drop?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">also there is the wiki commits</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">co*'d say start with beat writers for the current release</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so I'd say, anything after the last wiki snapshot for the previous release</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">quaid *jinx</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">aye</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">So it would be those people, plus any translators from the first POT drop</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">onward</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, man, give credit to the soul who comes and cleans up the last mess</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">onward</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">No kidding</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">right-o</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Votes? Votes?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We have (2) +1's thus far</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and about 10 communitized +1's too</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">looks like list agrees</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1 to "slick that sucker each release" method</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">all right!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we have a real consensus</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">now we just need a volunteer to do the work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">right, that was my second questio*</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">looking at the page it seems that a lot have actually added themselves, so that'll probably be an easy one</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, I emailed the question to the thread</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and asking translators to add themselves to the wiki page is a great method, too</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that is, add yourself if you want guarantee, and we'll look in the logs anyway</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">indeed</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we have what we need squeezed from that topic, eh?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid momentarily distracted by short, adorable people</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">any mo' on this topic?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- kital [n=Joerg_Si fedora/kital]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *Documentation!SCo mt*Single source summary ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">onward then</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid heard the sound of the bell there, he was sure of it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ht*fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SingleSourceSummary</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">now, as I expected, I haven't touched it since I poured it all into the pot, gave it a stir, and added some salt and pepper</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">qua*ou took my bell joke!</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster meant to devote some time to SSS and ran out of cycles.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickst*redistributed"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to hang a CC BY SA sign around my neck</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">ha</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">"You may take whatever I say, think about it, and say what you will from it."</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf needs to say photographic evidence first</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">So about the SSS...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">s/say/see</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ht*fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary actually</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">what we manage ther</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">                e</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is the technical content</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so, ideally, we can give some raw ideas into the overview type pages and let other writers (who may be some of us) add their polish; share this with Mktg</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* jsmith stumbles in late</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">qua*don't think enough people know what tasks they're supposed to complete on this page.</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">moin jsmith :D</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jsmith</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">moin moin</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">~lart jsmith</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">stickst*haven't really put thunks into it</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and there we are</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid had in house distractions, sorry</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">not sure how to tackle the SSS</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">qua*hould we be marking tags around the beginning and end of each section?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Adding content?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, I see that some content actually needs to be sucked in _from_ the Beats pages, not vice versa, right?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster tempted to ask about next actions since he's reading that part of GTD</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that is, let people continue editing the Beats pages as-is</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Yeah, we don't want to screw the Beats process at this point in F9</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, if I had the time to do this, i would do these actions:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* wrap ## comments around OverView in the Beats, then pull that back in to the SSS</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* Look at what is common amongst the other content for merging</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* mark ## comments around that content for inclusion in other pages</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* scope all pages needing content, what do they need, etc.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">* begin pulling pieces</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster suggests for anywhere we use {{:x,y,z}} outside the SSS page, we should leave a starting note to let people know not to bother it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">## This content is drawn from another page. Don't remove this macro without talking to the Docs Project first.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">## Or unless you really, REALLY know what you're doing.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">yeah, good idea</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, there are my actions</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">let's at least get them minutes-ized</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We haven't jmbabich today, who's minutizing?</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid just noticed that</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I'll do it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thanks!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Thank you couf!</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid was about to say something sarcastic</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">which would be*</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in a good way, of course :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">"don't hurt your arm sockets waving your volunteering hands"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">something stupid like that :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">seriously ...</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">heh :)</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, while the wiki is whacked ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">last few minutes we can talk about ///</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *DSCo mt*active content work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">relnotes are doing OK ...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">some changes rolled in to wiki, etc.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">beta notes went fine</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Yeah, this one came together pretty well</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I did a little frenzied stuff with f13 the night before, but it was less than par for the course, actually</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">mizmo, mlanglie came in to help with making a mucho cooler relnotes landing page for F9 final</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">thumbs up to all who did the work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">One thing we should definitely try to keep in mind is to standardize our linking to the downloads</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">meeting?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the current discussion is to reorganize the content around reader interests, and we'll try to do that with the existing XML pulled in a different XInclude structure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbus*till going</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">moin jmbuser </td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We tried to consistently use ht*fp.o/get-prerelease  and  ht*fp.o/<static_relnotes>  this time around</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">which worries me a little cause the final relnotes are supposed to go to docs.fp.o</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">co*hat's an interesting point, and intersects with quaid's last statement</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">You see...</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I think that the notes on the static site, where we send people at first, either from fp.o front page or start.fp.o, need more reworking than just content shuffling.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I think they ought to be trimmed and edited to be more like gnome.org's</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">On every page/section, those trimmed "splashy" notes can link to our big release notes document for indepth info</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">agreed</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couf always liked gnome's way of doing it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">This *could* mean more work and strings, but since we have to do this repeatedly anyway for release announcements and other overview, it's actually a way to save some work</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Especially if we use summaries on SSS to write in human language.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hrm</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">this is a bit of an effort, for sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">"How does this help the <user/developer/admin> kick ass?"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">can we do this in the time remaining?  do we have the resources?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We have the power</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid puts on his curmudgeon hat</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We have some webmonkey help</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">l10n won't like this ;-)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">co*ell, it's putting some new strings on the web site, to be sure.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes, website side</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if we do the work *now*ish</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ric*ing</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">then it can be translated in the weeks up to GA where the main package trans is mostly done</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">And we know the feature set already.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">true enough</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">can we suck in the strings from OverView PO files into the website PO files?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Probably</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so that's the idea on the table</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">But much of the OverView beat as it is right now needs to be rewritten for this usage.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">turn our resources to doing this</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster for it.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We've got EvilBob+team on IG already</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">while we still have DUG, AG, SMG, and Enc/CryptoG</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we really need a new source of editors</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">qua*think the relnotes are a good place for you and me to put our experience, since it's a new venture.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We can spread that particular love/pain in F10</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">We're already doing pretty well at spreading out the other guides</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">you've got mdious too on relnotes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">True</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">So I say let's go for it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">heh</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but I'm a curmudgeon!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ah, well, rising tide and all that</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid sends begging for editors email</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* stickster needs to bail for a bit... call</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> stickster</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">back in 10 on #f-docs</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">k</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">there isn't anything new on the other content, fwiw</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so we can call for other business or quit</td></tr>
<tr><td class="other" colspan="3">*-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting *DSCo mt*Other bidness</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">the only thing would *UG target version</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">oh, right!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, do we need to decide that? or is that an on-list discussion/decision?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">on-list is fine</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">writers are following that topic</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ricky</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">co*h, sorry, I pretty much have to leave in a minute.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep, agreed</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ric*o problem, was just wondering what date the website would freeze for F9</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* quaid sees it has wandered</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">all right then, we'll get ready to pull the plug on this mtg</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">go for it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ricky</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">co*ow long do you think translators need?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ricky</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">(Before final release)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ric*f you can give them 2 weeks that would be awesome</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ricky</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">OK, in that case, around mid-april (15th or before fine?)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">15th is fine</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> ricky</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">All right, thanks for the reminder.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">qua*hat means we need to finish the web transition on the 15 too</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">got that stickster !!!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">heh</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, closing in 5</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">5</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">4</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"></meeting></td></tr>
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