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#startmeeting
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#meetingtopic Docs Meeting
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Meeting started Thu Jun 18 00:03:00 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks.
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Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot , Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link
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| #topic.
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#topic Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| radsy
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oooh, that's cool
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| Sparks
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Roll Call
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| * Sparks is here
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| * radsy is here
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| * jjmcd would like to clear by 0100Z
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| * ianweller is sorta kind here maybe
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| * rudi is here
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jjmcd: me too
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| jjmcd
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Japanese Game Show?
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jjmcd: Yes
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| jjmcd
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;-)
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| * kgs wonders if visitors introduce themselves
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sure!
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Okay, let's get started...
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#topic Meeting procedures
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| Sparks
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You may have noticed that we have a new bot in the room with us taking notes. Fedbot is a new bot that automates some
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| channel maintenance for the OPs but also has some real nifty meeting commands as well. You can read more about this bot at
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| * quaid is here now
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| -!- Irssi: Pasting 7 lines to #fedora-meeting. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
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To get the most out of this bot we should learn to use the following commands:
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info - Add an info item to the minutes. People should liberally use this for important things they say, so that they can be
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| logged in the minutes.
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action - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them.
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| (nicknames are case-sensitive)
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idea - Add an idea to the minutes.
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help - Add a "Call for Help" to the minutes. Use this command when you need to recruit someone to do a task.
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| (Counter-intuitively, this doesn't provide help on the bot)
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link - Add a link to the meeting minutes. The link should be the first non-command on the line, other commentary after the
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| link is OK. Links beginning with http:// and a few other protocols are automatically detected.
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| Sparks
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All commands start with a # so you have to use that (i.e. #idea).
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| * Sparks pauses for any query...
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| quaid
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what does the result look like?
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| * zoglesby is here
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| quaid
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I've seen a log before, but it was just bold faced stuff
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| * nirik notes he will in the next few days be getting it setup to log to a fedoraproject machine and run from zodbot.
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| Sparks
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quaid: I don't know. I guess we'll see
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| quaid
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ah, Ok
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| nirik
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output looks like: http://fedorapeople.org/~kevin/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html
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| quaid
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so it's somewhat data capture for now? we don't have it auto-generating logs for mailing lists, etc yet?
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| quaid
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ah!
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Hmmm...
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| Sparks
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Yeah, that's going to take some getting used to.
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| quaid
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ok, much better, thanks; I'd only seen a straight IRC log generation
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not yet, but I am working with upstream and he's been fixing things like mad. ;)
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| nirik
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if anyone has suggestions/changes/thoughts, feel free to ping me with them and I will pass them on.
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nirik: I'll probably have some for you in an hour.
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| nirik
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sounds good. ;)
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Okay...
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I'd also like to start using Meeting Protocols (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Meeting_Protocol) for
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| our meetings. I think it will help keep the momentum up and we won't waste time.
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Basically, all you have to do is follow these simple instructions:
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1. Please watch what others are doing and do not interrupt
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2. If you have a question, type "?"
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3. If you need to speak, type "!"
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4. If you're done speaking, type "eof"
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5. If you agree, type "+1"
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Any questions or comments?
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| quaid
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hmmm
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| quaid
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I won't say no personally, but
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| quaid
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I've found those to be most helpful where the common language
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| quaid
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is not the first language spoken of participants.
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| quaid
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so, it would be a good practice to welcome non-native English speakers
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but it does interrupt flow
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<eof>
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+1
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Well, we seem to take a while typing things we want to say and I'm not sure if I'm waiting for someone to respond or not.
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| radsy
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+1
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(oh by the way i was +1ing quaid)
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Sparks: I do like eof as a convention, yeah
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it's a kindness
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I'm not looking for strict adherence... but just for folks to keep in mind if they want to say something so I know they are
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| typing something
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Okay, anyone have anything else to say before we move on to the REAL important stuff?
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| radsy
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no
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no <eof>
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^Z
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| Sparks
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#topic FAD SELF 2009 After action report
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| Sparks
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We had a wonderful time at the Fedora Activity Day (FAD) after SELF in Clemson. We had a couple of participants that
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| remotely attended the session and six people who were physically in Clemson.
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Everyone should have received the final "notes" from the FAD.
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Has everyone had a change to look over the notes?
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And does anyone have any questions about the FAD?
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?
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jjmcd: Yes
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Do we have a plan to get names attached to those action items not taken?
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jjmcd: Not as of yet. But we should. If you want to take something then go for it.
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!
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Oh I see this going badly
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jjmcd: yes?
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We should also take poelcat's suggestion to use that list and the retrospective list as a potential task list for new joiners
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+1
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eof
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+1
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! Sparks: one option is to have people just ! and ? then speak, without being cleared by the moderator; that is, self-police
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| a bit :)
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Yes...
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I guess that's kinda what I meant.
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quaid: Thank you
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!
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| jjmcd
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Doesn't make a lot of diff when you type as slow as me
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:)
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jjmcd: I'll try to put together a list of items to do from the FAD and let's see what we can get done.
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?
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Greetings and salutations.
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Yes Zach
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Did we get anywere with the calendar after the FAD?
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zoglesby: Kinda... I want to talk to poelcat to see if he can help.
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I didn't see it in the notes, but we talked about it for a while
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ok
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eof
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zoglesby: There is a calendaring program coming down the line
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Anything else for the FAD?
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#topic Docs_decisions_for_F12
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jjmcd: Would you like to talk about this since you started the topic?
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Well I think we covered a lot Sunday
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We have some new ideas on RN's
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Content, perhaps a totally new organization, I see some more ideas on f-d-l
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We have a better understanding on the l10n issues, as well as the codes (although no decisiosn there)
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| jjmcd
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Rudi has prempted the Publican question ;-))
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:)
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:D
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Still no real answer on homepage and how to actually present them
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I think we have some really good plans tho
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but we need to share them more widely before implementing
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Not sure we are necessarily aware of the URQs
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eof
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URQs?
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User Requirements
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Ahh
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<---- requirements geek
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I think one thing that stickster had a good idea about was the different expectations...
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by different users. One set wants the one page, with pictures, RNs while...
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Yes. I think the breaking down into different formats langs has some merit
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the more techy group wants the 1000 page RNs with all the info.
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but that is a big change that probably negatively impacts someone
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Yes
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ALtho I still think that ALL the changes with just a link covers 95% of that
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I want to talk with the Marketing folks about it more.
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as in the example I pointed to somewhere
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wait
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#link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jjmcd/Drafts/Test_of_table_RNs
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Did everyone get a look at that?
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highlight a few biggies and list all the rest
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I didn't... Have now
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reduces translation and increases the data
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Good combinations
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| jjmcd
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THat way qnyone waiting for a feature/bugfix can see if its there
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| jjmcd
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Needless to say, the table is produced by a script
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Well, program
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Cool
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Okay, anything else on the F12 discussion?
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I need more comments on wiki page tho, or here or list
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| * jjmcd will blog on ppl issues
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| Sparks
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Excellent.
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Okay.... moving on...
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#topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid
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| discussion. <--quaid (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting)
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quaid: Do you have an update for us?
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ok
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I may cover what was said last week, but ...
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we want an all-clear from Content Services; it sounds good, waiting also to see mhideo's plans.
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| quaid
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and I guess I still owe a write-up to f-a-b?
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yes, I do
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#action - quaid needs to send a "mother may we" email to f-a-b
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?
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When do you think we'll be able to change over? ETA?
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| quaid
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well, this covers wiki content, we should be consensus seeking v. demanding :)
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no ETA, guess I need to articulate an actual plan with dates and stuffnow
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#action - quaid needs to specify an action plan around relicensing
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| quaid
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so, really ... no change from last week afair :/
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Okay... At least we are up to date.
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Anyone have anything else?
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#topic Shared open-source style guide
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| kgs
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thank you for taking the lead here -- it sets a good example for other projects considering this stuff
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Okay... I think stickster asked me to add this to the agenda...
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but I haven't really had time to look at it...
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so I don't have anything to say about it, yet.
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Would anyone like to say anything about it?
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?
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| Sparks
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Go ahead Zach.
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| zoglesby
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I am not sure the point, every group works diffrent, would a guide that basic be worth the time?
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Yeah, I'm not sure of their end result.
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| * jjmcd had similar concerns
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#action Sparks to find out more information on the shared style guide request.
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| zoglesby
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eof
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Anyone else?
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| jjmcd
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I can see some benefit from shared development
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and idea generation but wonder whether the benefit is worth it since it wouild need to be so generic
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| jjmcd
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eof
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| Sparks
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Yeah, that's the problem I've been fighting...
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I'll try to get more information for next week.
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Anyone else?
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| Sparks
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#topic CMS Update <-- ke4qqq
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Is ke4qqq here tonight?
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| Sparks
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I guess not.
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| zoglesby
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?
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| Sparks
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So I think all the modules have been packaged, now.
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| zoglesby
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How much stuff got packaged and is there a list of wats left?
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oh i can read!
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One of my packages got rejected due to a licensing issue so I'll be working with Simon to figure out what's going on.
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| ianweller
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there's no such thing as a "rejected" package
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| Sparks
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zoglesby: Yeah, there might be one left. Get with me afterwards and I'll check BZ.
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| ianweller
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just one that isn't approved yet
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unless it's in ForbiddenItems
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| Sparks
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Yeah... what he said.
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| zoglesby
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what was the license?
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| Sparks
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CC-BY-SA 2.5
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| Sparks
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Which is not compatible with GPL
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did anyone contact the dev yet?
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| Sparks
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This project is being planned to be online within 60 days. We've asked poelcat to assist us with the PM.
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zoglesby: Yeah, Simon (itbegins) is our developer contact.
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Anyone have any other questions or comments?
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#topic DocsProject wiki pages changes
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| Sparks
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Okay, we haven't talked about this one in a while...
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| Sparks
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I think ianweller is planning on getting the wikibot working
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this summer so hopefully we'll be able to let the bot
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| Sparks
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loose to do some of our work for us.
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| Sparks
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Anyone have any questions or comments?
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| Sparks
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#topic Calendar
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| Sparks
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Well, poelcat just sent me a message on #fedora-docs about an .ics file that he is working on for F12.
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| Sparks
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I'm sure he'll put stuff on there for us so that might be the short term solution...
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| Sparks
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until we get our calendaring solution.
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| Sparks
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#link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12.ics
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| zoglesby
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+1
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| poelcat
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easiest way to get stuff into TJ/ics file is email with with:
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1) name of task (using action words/verbs)
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| poelcat
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2) start date
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3) how many days it takes
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4) dependency on other tasks
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| Sparks
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Cool!
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anyone have any questions or comments?
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| Sparks
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Thanks poelcat
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| * poelcat needs to publish draft of docs schedule for f12 so you all can pick it apart
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will target fri or monday
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| Sparks
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poelcat: That will be great.
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| Sparks
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#topic All other business
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| Sparks
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Okay, due to the hour... Does anyone have anything they want to talk about?
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| radsy
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!
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| Sparks
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radsy: Go ahead
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| radsy
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#link
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| http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/SELinux_Managing_Confined_Services/en-US/html-single/#chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Squid_Caching_Proxy
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| radsy
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eof
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| Sparks
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radsy: Very cool. Do you need any additional resources?
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| radsy
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no
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Okay, anyone else?
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| perspectival
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I think I'll take this time to speak up
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| Sparks
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perspectival: Go ahead
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| perspectival
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I'm Silas and I'm going to be working on the Deployment Guide for F12
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| perspectival
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there is a new branch in svn
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| perspectival
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unfortunately that's about all I know at this point :-) but I did want to say hello and let you all know about it
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| quaid
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howdy
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| Sparks
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perspectival: How different in mission is the Deployment Guide from the Installation Guide?
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| perspectival
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So Greetings!
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| perspectival
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the deployment guide is different in that it's more of a system administration guide
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perspectival: Excellent! Do you need any resources?
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I will pass on that question until next time if you don't mind
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| perspectival
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still figuring out the way forward ;-)
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| Sparks
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perspectival: No problem!
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| perspectival
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I am accepting any and all hints and tips at this point though
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am paying attention to fedora-docs list, etc.
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| perspectival
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<eof for now>
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| Sparks
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Okay.
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| Sparks
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Anyone else?
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| Sparks
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Okay, I'm calling it a night then...
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