Meeting:Docs IRC log 20090730

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Sparks #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01
* ianweller 00:02
* rudi is here 00:02
Sparks #topic Roll Call 00:02
* Sparks 00:02
* jjmcd is here 00:02
* rudi jumped the gun earlier but is here 00:02
* ianweller doesn't care that he jumped the gun :) 00:02
* stickster 1/2 here 00:03
* radsy is here 00:03
Sparks ianweller: As long as you're here 00:03
Sparks stickster: which half? 00:03
stickster I don't know, it's via gerrymandering 00:03
Sparks Okay, let's get started. 00:05
Sparks #topic Last week's action items 00:05
Sparks Sparks to follow up with the News people about Zikula 00:05
Sparks Okay, so I sent an email out to the News folks but I didn't really get a response back. I'll see if I can catch someone over there. 00:06
Sparks stickster: Is Max the lead there? 00:06
stickster Sparks: Pascal Calarco is the person who agreed to help, I believe 00:06
Sparks #ACTION Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. 00:07
Sparks Sparks to write rollout plan for license change 00:08
Sparks Hmmm... Yeah, didn't get to this one. 00:08
stickster That's something we could use, fer sher 00:08
Sparks #action Sparks to write rollout plan for license change... 2nd alarm 00:08
* stickster will try to write a blog entry in the next day or two to try and drum up some PHP/JS help 00:08
Sparks ianweller to write press release 00:09
Sparks ianweller: I'm guessing you're waiting for my plan, right? 00:09
ianweller yeah a little bit. 00:09
Sparks Okay 00:09
Sparks rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license 00:09
Sparks rudi: You going to be busy on Monday? 00:09
rudi Sparks - I'll be available :) 00:09
Sparks rudi: Okay, I'll get with you after the meeting and setup some time with you. Thanks. 00:10
Sparks #action rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license 00:10
rudi NP 00:10
Sparks Sparks to create BZ component for Installation Quick Start Guide 00:10
Sparks done 00:10
Sparks Sparks to create a BZ component for Virtualization Guide 00:10
Sparks done 00:10
Sparks Sparks to send out reminder about the RN meeting 00:11
Sparks done 00:11
Sparks jjmcd: Do we need to meet again this week? I don't think we got throught everything last week 00:11
jjmcd I think we do 00:11
Sparks Same bat time? 00:11
jjmcd we hit one of I think 4 major topics 00:11
jjmcd I kept it on my calendar just in case 00:11
Sparks When is it? Tomorrow at ??? 00:11
* rudi stocked up on Coke and Doritos :) 00:12
jjmcd 11E 00:12
Sparks So 1500 UTC 00:12
jjmcd so 1500Z maybe 00:12
Sparks Okay. 00:12
Sparks Anyone have anything else from last week? 00:13
Sparks #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq 00:13
Sparks #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:13
Sparks Okay, I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight... 00:13
Sparks so I'll just give a quick update. 00:14
Sparks The webpage listed above is a status page of all the Zikula modules that need to be packaged... 00:14
Sparks and what their hangups are. 00:14
* stickster may need to update his 00:14
Sparks We still have quite a few that are broken due to licensing issues. 00:14
* stickster just updated his entries on that list 00:15
Sparks I've been pushing my packages to F-10, F-11, F-12, and EL-5. F-10 is optional, I guess, but everyone that is packaging needs to push to EL-5 as well. 00:16
stickster Yup, took care of mine yesterday and today 00:16
Sparks stickster: Is there anything else>? 00:16
stickster One thing we're going to need to make a call on soon is changing "upstream to resolve" to "$FEDORA_PERSON to resolve" 00:16
stickster Blocking on licensing is bad, and I think upstream's going to need our help here, something more than asking them to do it 00:17
Sparks I agree. 00:17
Sparks I'm going to just go through the three GPL-licensed editors and package them all. That way we have choices 00:18
stickster Makes sense to me 00:18
* stickster knows tinymce by name 00:19
stickster OK, moving on 00:19
stickster #action? 00:19
Sparks stickster: Do you have time to go through the three packages that are license blocked and explain what exactly is blocking (icons, etc)? 00:19
Sparks #action Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula 00:20
stickster I think they're all explained in their respective bugs 00:20
stickster but... 00:20
stickster I know off the top of my head that Mediashare is blocked on LIghtboxXL 00:20
stickster Which is a CC 2.5 licensed JS 00:20
stickster And that same JS appears in at least one other module, I think it's Mediaattach 00:21
Sparks Content 00:21
Sparks MediaAttach says "multiple licensing issues". 00:21
stickster Sorry, Content -- right. 00:22
Sparks What does it mean for our Zikula rollout without these packages? 00:22
stickster For Mediaattach: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505938#c5 00:22
buggbot Bug 505938: medium, low, ---, fedora-docs-list, NEW, Need to package MediaAttach. 00:22
stickster Umm, thanks for nuttin' buggbot 00:22
stickster Sparks: Well, we can't submit files or other content that's not a written story, withot those modules, if I understand them correctly 00:23
stickster i.e attaching RPMs wouldn't be possible 00:23
stickster We also wouldn't be able to put up podcasts for Marketing/News 00:23
Sparks  :( 00:23
stickster Ah, menutree is the other one that has problems, although they look less horrible 00:24
Sparks stickster: So what do you propose? action? 00:24
stickster So... important to get this done. 00:24
stickster I think that several Docs folks who have some PHP/JS knowledge, or can gain it quickly, should agree to get together at a specific date to fix the problems 00:24
stickster i.e. Take a Saturday or Sunday and plow through it over IRC 00:25
Sparks Any takers for assisting? 00:25
stickster I'm going to do a blog post to see if we can get one or more PHP/JS persons to come by and help from the general community. 00:25
* stickster reminds everyone that they could help by blogging too 00:26
Sparks #action Stickster to blog to see if we can get some PHP/JS folks to help with out with some Zikula modules. 00:26
stickster When the going gets hard... 00:27
Sparks okay, anything else for Zikula? 00:27
Sparks #topic Status on CC license rollout. <-- ianweller 00:28
Sparks ianweller: Umm... waiting on me, right? 00:28
ianweller afaik 00:28
Sparks #topic Shared open-source style guide <--ke4qqq 00:28
Sparks #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html 00:29
Sparks ke4qqq is going to quite busy these next few weeks/months. 00:29
Sparks Does anyone want to take on this project? 00:29
Sparks It should be a fun project and I'm sure ke4qqq will want to continue to help out. 00:29
rudi I'm happy to take it on 00:29
stickster I thought that laubersm and someone else had indicated interest as well 00:29
rudi But it will probably be another week or two before I can do anything meaningful with it 00:30
* jjmcd anticipates being well entertained the next few months 00:30
Sparks stickster: Maybe, I don't remember. 00:30
* stickster thinks to himself, man, a list conversation would have helped us capture that, probalby. 00:31
stickster *probably, even. 00:31
Sparks Well, this doesn't have to be a one or two person project 00:31
stickster Not at all 00:31
stickster I met some of the folks working on this when I was at Open Source Bridge -- they are good folks. 00:31
Sparks #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide 00:32
rudi I know that my slackness in getting some of RH's internal material opened up has blocked this a little 00:32
Sparks Well, I don't know that the project has a good grasp on what needs to happen, etc. 00:33
Sparks I think they were going to setup a meeting somewhere. 00:33
Sparks Okay, I'll try to get a better footing on this topic before next week. 00:34
Sparks #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 00:34
Sparks #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW 00:34
Sparks We are down to 10 NEW bugs. I think we knocked out a few of them last week after the meeting. 00:35
Sparks Let's see if we can get the rest at least assigned tonight. 00:35
Sparks Any volunteers to go through them? 00:35
* Sparks hears crickets 00:37
jjmcd Didn't we already have one like 507999 00:37
jjmcd In any case, that one is obviously mine 00:37
rudi jjmcd -- yeah, I was sure that we did 00:38
rudi But I couldn't find it either :) 00:38
jjmcd and 514153 is simple needing release 00:39
Sparks .bug 184234 00:39
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184234 medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package. 00:39
buggbot Bug 184234: medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package. 00:39
Sparks Ummn.. yeah 00:39
Sparks So this is an OLD bug but one that is EXTREMELY important to US government/military users 00:40
stickster Sparks: http://tinyurl.com/mrfcgp <-- blog post as ordered 00:40
Sparks Where can we put this? 00:40
Sparks stickster: Awesome! Now that's efficiency 00:41
Sparks Wasn't someone working on an enterprise-like guide? 00:41
rudi That's the Fedora Deployment Guide 00:41
Sparks Hmmm... 00:42
rudi perspectival has that one 00:42
Sparks This needs to go into a "user" guide but... 00:42
Sparks not the "I'm a noob" guide 00:42
perspectival Sparks: I believe I need a BZ component for the Deployment Guide 00:42
perspectival sorry to trouble you for more components ;-) 00:43
Sparks #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide 00:43
Sparks perspectival: No problem. 00:43
perspectival thanks 00:43
Sparks Okay... How about I accept this one and write it in the wiki somewhere? 00:44
Sparks #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation proceedures in the wiki 00:45
Sparks I do it enough at work... :) 00:46
Sparks Okay, moving on... 00:46
Sparks #topic Guide needs? 00:46
Sparks Anyone have a Guide that they need assistance with? 00:46
Sparks #topic New Guides 00:47
Sparks Okay, anyone have a new guide they'd like to share with us? 00:47
Sparks or a new guide idea? 00:47
rudi Just saying that the IQSG is now in localisation and I should have a copy up on docs.fp.o very shortly 00:47
Sparks IQSG? 00:48
Sparks Oh 00:48
Sparks Installation Quick Start Guide 00:48
rudi Installation Quick Start Guide 00:48
Sparks jinx! 00:48
Sparks That's awesome. 00:48
Sparks anyone else? 00:48
Sparks #topic All other business 00:48
Sparks Okay, does anyone have anything? 00:48
* Sparks thinks we might get out on-time/early tonight 00:49
rudi quiet week at the docs project :) 00:50
perspectival I would like to mention one thing 00:50
perspectival I'll add a short update here too on what I'm working on 00:50
perspectival Currently I'm working on gathering an exhaustive list of all F11 new features that could or should be included in the Deployment Guide (done), ensure that these features should actually be listed in the DG (in progress), and then I'll determine where to add them (TOC, etc.), and: post this info to the deployment-guide-list; create placeholders in the DG for major new features (there's already a placeholder chapter for ABRT) 00:50
perspectival I'm also working on closing a number of bugs filed against the Deployment Guide 00:51
perspectival The Deployment Guide has the following major sections ("parts" in DocBook terminology): 00:51
perspectival I. Package Management: yum, rpm, etc. 00:51
perspectival II. Network-Related Configuration: interfaces, runlevels, services, BIND, apache, openssh, samba, dhcp, ftp, ldap 00:51
perspectival III. System Configuration: console access, sysconfig dir, date, time, keyboard, X, users, groups, printers, at, batch, cron and log files 00:51
perspectival IV. System Monitoring: oprofile, ABRT 00:51
perspectival V. Kernel and Driver Configuration: upgrading, modules, etc. 00:51
perspectival ** Note that (in contrast to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Deployment Guide) information on file systems (setting them up, partitioning, lvm, luks, etc.) will not be in the scope of the Deployment Guide for Fedora 00:51
Sparks No? 00:52
Sparks Why not? 00:52
perspectival unfortunately not 00:52
* Sparks notes luks is covered fairly well in the Security Guide 00:52
perspectival it's out-of-scope for the guide that I'm writing 00:53
Sparks Okay 00:53
Sparks Well, that's cool 00:53
perspectival yeah 00:53
Sparks Anyone have any questions? 00:53
perspectival the Fedora DG will be huge even without the part on File Systems, etc. 00:54
perspectival that's all for me unless there are questions... 00:54
* rudi notes that its RHEL cousin is nearly 1000 pages long :) 00:54
Sparks Good reading there 00:54
Sparks Okay, anyone else? 00:55
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Sparks Speak now or... 00:57
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Sparks forever hold your peace 00:57
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* perspectival is holding 00:57
Sparks #endmeeting 00:57