| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call
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| * Sparks
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| * rudi is here
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| * ianweller
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| * quaid too
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| quaid
| hail hail etc.
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| * Sparks waits a few more seconds for folks
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| Sparks
| #topic Last week's action items
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| Sparks
| Okay... this should be interesting...
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| Sparks
| Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. -- Second Alarm
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| Sparks
| Okay, I sent a message to the News folks and didn't really hear anything back from them, IIRC.
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| Sparks
| I think they'll be set with what we're planning.
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| Sparks
| rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license -- Second Alarm
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| quaid
| I agree, Marketing is finding it sufficient with similar needs, I reckon.
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| Sparks
| rudi: That is pretty much ready to go, correctly?
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| Sparks
| errr... correct?
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| * quaid rubs his hands gleefully
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| rudi
| Sparks -- yes. I have a draft that legal is happy with
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| Sparks
| rudi: Excellent. Let's push forward with that, then.
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| Sparks
| Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula -- Second Alarm
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| Sparks
| Okay, I haven't had a chance to even think about that.
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| Sparks
| Can someone pick this task up for me?
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| Sparks
| We don't actually need all three packaged but it would be nice as a long term goal. We do need one of them packaged, though.
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to send an email to the list to pass this task on.
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide
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| rudi
| Sparks -- I have some news there
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| Sparks
| rudi: Go ahead
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| rudi
| I have approval from Red Hat legal to share the bulk of our external Style Guide
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| * itbegins is here now
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| quaid
| rudi: srsly?
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| Sparks
| Very cool
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| rudi
| So I have agreed to put together a subset of it for review; after that, we can share it.
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| quaid
| rudi++
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| quaid
| rudi: am I correct that this is the RHT internal style guide/"word usage" document?
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| rudi
| Yes -- those documents
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| * quaid faints with happiness
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| * Sparks fans quaid
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| Sparks
| rudi: Any idea when this might be available?
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| rudi
| There is material there that represents internal Red Hat legal advice and brand considerations that we will not be able to share -- but for the most part, that stuff is irrelevant to anyone else who wants to use it.
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| rudi
| Sparks -- at the moment, I'm bogged down in the preparations for RHEL5.4, which is why I've been quiet on the Fedora front for the last few weeks
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| * quaid sorry for the drama, it's just good stuff and a nice leg up for everyone
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| rudi
| I expect to have a draft together for legal to review within the next 2 weeks or so
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| quaid
| rudi: feel free to draw on me in any way, such as helping pre-review before legal, etc.
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| rudi
| quaid -- thanks
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| quaid
| aye, thank you
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| Sparks
| rudi: That's cool.
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| Sparks
| rudi: BTW, when is 5.4 going to hit the streets?
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| rudi
| I'd have to check to see what the public is supposed to know :)
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| Sparks
| Gees...
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| Sparks
| I have many servers that are aching to upgrade
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| Sparks
| :)
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| rudi
| Wikipedia doesn't know ;)
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on...
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm
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| Sparks
| ianweller to do something useful and write a draft announcement
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| Sparks
| DONE
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| Sparks
| jjmcd to do recon on Zikula for useful docs
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| Sparks
| DONE and found none
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| quaid
| Sparks: I find Wikipedia makes good guesses there :)
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| Sparks
| I think this is all the old business. Does anyone have anything else that is old business/tasks?
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| quaid
| whoops, withdrawn :)
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| Sparks
| quaid: Ya... we were just talking about that today.
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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| Sparks
| I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight...
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have an update on Zikula?
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| itbegins
| The instance for marketing is moving along fast
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| itbegins
| but that will pass by the blockers for docs
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| itbegins
| on the plus side, puppetization etc will be partly done for docs purposes by marketing
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| Sparks
| +1
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| itbegins
| The same with performance checks etc
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| Sparks
| That's good.
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| itbegins
| So, IMHO if we can get the last few modules packaged, a roll out for immediately following the F12 change freeze is perfectly achievable
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Can you provide a delta of what we need versus what we have, package wise, to stand up the docs instance?
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| * quaid calls for a wiki page to be created!
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| itbegins
| packaging side, we need one of mediashare or mediaattach packaged
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| itbegins
| otherwise you have no media manager
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| * Sparks points quaid to the link at the top of this topic discussion
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| itbegins
| and preferably one editor - unless you like hard coding HTML
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| itbegins
| and of course we need the theme packaged
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| itbegins
| With those three, I think you are ready to go
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| * Sparks thinks the theme is packaged and ready
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| itbegins
| and over time we can upgrade the instance with more features as they come online
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| itbegins
| Sparks: yes, but I wouldn't call the files currently in git production ready
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| itbegins
| I made that theme using File>Save as in Firefox, and a quick n dirty conversion
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| quaid
| heh
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| itbegins
| there will be all sorts of useful images and possibly css missing from that
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| itbegins
| the correct way to do it would be to convert based on the files currently in the websites git repository
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| quaid
| itbegins: I think we showed it to mizmo though, I'll make sure she's on the bz for that package review
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| quaid
| ... and anyone know that bz # for the theme?
| 00:27
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| itbegins
| If Mizmo approves, then I defer to her - she's also runnign point for the marketing team on design issues
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| itbegins
| Content and Mediashare are blocking on the window library
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| itbegins
| it just so happens I've had experience with the replacement suggested by stickster_afk in the last couple of weeks at work, so I could in theory make those changes for you
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| itbegins
| But it will take me some time to get up to speed with the modules and figure out the needed changes
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| itbegins
| Equally there may already be someone working on making that very change
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| * Sparks is back
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| Sparks
| Sorry, storm and power outage
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| Sparks
| Are we done with the CMS discussion?
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| quaid
| I'm updating the modules list a bit from this discussion
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| Sparks
| #chair quaid
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| Sparks
| quaid: Excellent, thank you.
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| quaid
| #task need to resolve theme package, review, and Design Team help; borrow from FI work?
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| itbegins
| Sparks: http://www.fpaste.org/CJke/
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| itbegins
| Log from when you last typed
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Thanks!
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| itbegins
| Anyway, if we're agreed we're going to miss Fedora 12 for the docs instance, then there is much less pressure on timescales for the CMS project
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| Sparks
| quaid: Can you talk to mizmo tomorrow and make sure she's on the same pages as us?
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| quaid
| Sparks: got it
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Agreed.
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| Sparks
| quaid: Cool, thanks.
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| Sparks
| #action quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| Anything else on the CMS/Zikula?
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.\
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| rudi: So we now have a happy version of the license page for Publican, correct?
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| rudi
| Sparks -- correct
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| Sparks
| rudi: I'm assuming you are updating this in Publican 1.0... can you patch the 0.44 version as well?
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| quaid
| are we subject to Infrastructure freeze for this change?
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| quaid
| i.e. wiki, websites, etc.
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| Sparks
| maybe
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| rudi
| Sparks -- I'm not sure -- I will have to check with Jeff (who is on leave at the moment)
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| Sparks
| ianweller: What's the procedure for updating the license of the wiki?
| 00:37
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| Sparks
| rudi: Okay, that's cool.
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| ianweller
| we stuff some variables in LocalSettings.php
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| ianweller
| which is in puppet, in our case
| 00:37
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| rudi
| I suspect that it may just end up in the "unofficial" patch that I maintain on my Fedorapeople page
| 00:37
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| ianweller
| and then it adds the cute little button to the bottom automatically i believe
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| Sparks
| #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0
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| rudi
| ianweller -- what button?
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| Sparks
| uh oh
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| Sparks
| :)
| 00:38
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| quaid
| is there a chance that a current version of Fedora won't have Publican 1.0?
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| ianweller
| rudi: the cc icon
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| ianweller
| http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/3.0/88x31.png
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| ianweller
| that thing
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| rudi
| ianweller -- we can't use the icon
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| quaid
| +1 to button website
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| ianweller
| *thud*
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| quaid
| not for publican
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| Sparks
| rudi: I'd prefer that the license information go into the official release but I know you know that.
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| ianweller
| well we can for the wiki
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| rudi
| We can't use it for the wiki
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| ianweller
| why not
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| quaid
| rudi: I understood Richard to be talking about the legal notice for Publican
| 00:39
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| ianweller
| sure we can't redistribute it but we're not
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| ianweller
| we're just hotlinking it
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| quaid
| right because of the redistrib.
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| rudi
| quaid -- if you read his emails, he talks about both
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| rudi
| ianweller -- yes, but it's an unfree element appearing on a Fedora page
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| rudi
| Therefore, we can't use it.
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| Sparks
| I have a problem with his interpretation of not using it on the wiki...
| 00:39
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| ianweller
| augghhghhggghsdoagosrgjwjgoajldfjksfakgherjkojar <-- what is going through my mind right now
| 00:39
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| quaid
| um
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| Sparks
| the Fedora logo is an unfree element and yet we use it on the webpages
| 00:40
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| ianweller
| that's correct!
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| quaid
| so is ServerBeach's logo
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| ianweller
| fedora logo is non-redistributable
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| rudi
| Sparks -- yes, but it's an unfree element that we own
| 00:40
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| quaid
| and Dell's
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| ianweller
| we don't own the dell logo
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| quaid
| http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors
| 00:40
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| Sparks
| and we are using the CC logo per its terms of use
| 00:40
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| quaid
| ok, I'll re-read richard's email, and then we'll ask him for clarification.
| 00:40
|
| * Sparks finds it increadibly ironic that the very symbol of freedom is an unfree element.
| 00:41
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| quaid
| well, it's a trademark, in't?
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| yeah
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| quaid
| Fedora is for freedom, but our logo sure ain't free
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| exactly
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki.
| 00:43
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| Sparks
| ianweller: So is the infrastructure freeze going to affect the license change?
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| ianweller
| yyyyyyyyyno it should be minor
| 00:43
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| ianweller
| ricky: ping ^^
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| ricky
| ianweller: pong
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| ricky
| Ugh, are we going to run into pain for our sponsors page?
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| ianweller
| ricky: if i send a patch to the infra list saying "here's what i'm doing to change the license on the wiki" and it gets 2 +1s then it's ok during a freeze right?
| 00:44
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| ianweller
| ricky: well that wasn't why i pinged you but possibly :(
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| ricky
| Yup as long as it's low risk and doesn't have a high chance of breaking anything else :-)
| 00:44
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| ricky
| So more than likely, yes :-)
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| ianweller
| yeh it prolly won't!
| 00:45
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| Sparks
| okay...
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| Sparks
| anything else about the license change?
| 00:46
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| rudi
| It might be worth checking with Richard Fontana about the logos on the sponsors page
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| quaid: Can you tack that onto your discussion?
| 00:47
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| quaid
| rudi: "These are not the droids you are looking for."
| 00:47
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| quaid
| Sparks: "These are not the droids you are looking for."
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| quaid: huh?
| 00:47
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| quaid
| "Move along"
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| roger
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| #topic Draft Documentation on the wiki
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Draft_Documentation
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| For anyone looking for something more to do... ^^^
| 00:48
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| quaid
| get out your machete
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| Yeah... we probably need to go through that and see what's stale
| 00:49
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| Sparks
| Anything else on this?
| 00:49
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| quaid
| Hint: if it's in Archive:, it's stale
| 00:49
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| quaid
| do we want to do something about it for real?
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| sure
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| quaid
| i.e., do an online sprint some time?
| 00:50
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| quaid
| do we have any "lulls" in the F12 storm?
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| Not especially
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| Sparks
| :)
| 00:50
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| Sparks
| I think a lot of what I'm seeing in the Archive: can be deleted/removed.
| 00:51
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| Sparks
| It appears that it has been incorporated into a DocBook guide
| 00:51
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| quaid
| OK, maybe a post-F12 fun activity
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| quaid
| we'll all buy our own beer, etc.
| 00:52
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| Sparks
| ianweller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Delete
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| Sparks
| ianweller: What happened to the delete policy? There are 97 pages ready to be blasted!
| 00:52
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| ianweller
| yay more work
| 00:52
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| ianweller
| Sparks: i don't do anything about it until someone mentions it
| 00:52
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| ianweller
| ^_^
| 00:52
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| ianweller
| so i'll do something about it
| 00:53
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I know you have a big red button over there that nukes all those pages
| 00:53
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| ianweller
| no but ricky does, it's called "nuke db2"
| 00:53
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| ianweller
| ;)
| 00:54
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| Sparks
| Yikes
| 00:54
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| ianweller
| yeah i'll go thruogh those tonight just for you
| 00:54
|
| * ianweller stops holding up the meeting
| 00:54
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| Sparks
| Okay, so that should clear up some items... :)
| 00:54
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| Sparks
| Anything else?
| 00:54
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
| 00:55
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| Sparks
| Anyone have a guide that is in need?
| 00:55
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| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| Okay, I have one...
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| I've Publicanized (apparently not the first person to do this) the old Accessibility information that used to go out with the RNs.
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| It is on fh.org and I'm going to start updating it as I get time.
| 00:57
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| Sparks
| Feel free to check it out and provide patches! :)
| 00:57
|
| Sparks
| Does anyone else have a new guide?
| 00:57
|
| Sparks
| #topic All other business
| 00:58
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| Sparks
| Okay, does anyone have anything else?
| 00:58
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| Sparks
| Anyone?
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| Anything?
| 00:59
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| itbegins
| *silence*
| 00:59
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| itbegins
| Good timing
| 01:00
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| Sparks
| Okay... thanks everyone for coming tonight! Don't forget to tip your wait staff.
| 01:00
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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