| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| Meeting started Thu Aug 27 00:02:47 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call
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| * Sparks
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| * rudi is here
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| * itbegins here
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| * Sparks wonders where everyone is today
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| * laubersm is here
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| Sparks
| Okay, lets get started...
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| Sparks
| #topic Last week's action items
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| Sparks
| Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm
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| Sparks
| Finally done.
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| Sparks
| Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm
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| Sparks
| Still in progress
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki
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| Sparks
| quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme
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| Sparks
| quaid: You around?
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| Sparks
| I know Mo has been working on the Zikula theme. I'm sure this is in progress.
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| Sparks
| rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0
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| Sparks
| rudi: Got an update?
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| rudi
| We're still a few steps away from that
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| * ianweller rolls in
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| itbegins
| I can report a little on the theme, depending on what you want to knwo
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| Sparks
| rudi: Okay, I'll put it down for next week so we can talk about it again.
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| rudi
| Yep
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| Sparks
| #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Go
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| ianweller
| about my part of it? the writing up of the announcement?
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| ianweller
| Sparks: hi?
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| Sparks
| the theme
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| ianweller
| oh for zikula
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| ianweller
| hmm i'm not sure what i need to say, other than taht school is eating me alive
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| * ianweller wasn't sure he had anything assigned for zikula right now
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| itbegins
| Sparks: You mean me?
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Opps.. sorry
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Yeah, I meant you. sorry
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| quaid
| quaid: yep, zikula theme is all rolling for FI
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| * Sparks is not doing a good job of multitasking tonight
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| * quaid either
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| itbegins
| mizmo is in progress on the theme: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/
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| itbegins
| and Zikula is getting rolled out to staging
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| quaid
| and things are prepared in the repo (ideally) so she can have related Docs theme in there to make a Docs-specific RPM of the theme (AIUI)
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| quaid
| or I'm confused and it's all going to run from one instance, one theme
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| itbegins
| quaid: One filesystem instance, mutliple databases -> multiple themes
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| quaid
| I think I'm confused; that was my old idea, but Paul said we'll likely all be on the same instance
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| itbegins
| i.e turning on docs.fedoraproject.org Zikula is a case of installing a few new packages and updating the config file
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| quaid
| ok
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| Sparks
| Okay, we'll come back to Zikula in a little bit for a more indepth discussion.
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| Sparks
| quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki.
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| Sparks
| quaid: Got an update on this?
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| danielsmw
| ;/me sneaks in late...
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| Sparks
| quaid: hello?
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| Sparks
| Okay, quaid must have rushed off...
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| Sparks
| Any more old business?
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| Sparks
| #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki.
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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| Sparks
| itbegins: So what is the status on rolling out Zikula for docs.fp.o?
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| itbegins
| Sparks: well, we're still waiting on those modules held up with license problems I think
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| itbegins
| Sparks: but marketing have kindly packaged a couple of modules we can use for the docs instance too.
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| itbegins
| Sadly not the blockers for the docs instance
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| Sparks
| I think we both need at least one editor to go with Scribite.
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| * Sparks hasn't had any time to even look at packaging one of those.
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| itbegins
| yes,that's true
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| quaid
| Sparks: sorry, phone call
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| quaid
| do you want to hear about the CC logos?
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| Sparks
| quaid: That will be the next topic
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Okay so we are close but not there
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Does marketing have everything they need to roll out their instance?
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| itbegins
| apart from a visual editor, probably
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| quaid
| after a last minute scramble with chitlesh++, bobjensen++, toshio++ getting a few last minute packages done last night/today
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| itbegins
| though things may still come up
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| quaid
| oh! no visual editor? heh heh
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| Sparks
| So we need one of the editors packaged
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| Sparks
| anyone want to stand up to take that task?
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| * danielsmw can try if no body else will, but he's never successfully packaged anything...
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Well, this would be a good time to start being successful... there are templates for the SPEC and everything
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| danielsmw
| Also I haven't been involved in this process at all so far
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: Alright, well...
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| danielsmw
| I suppose I can give it a shot and report back next week.
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: I'm sure ianweller or someone will be around to help
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| Sparks
| #action danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on Zikula?
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| * quaid notes Beacon was accepted for F10/F11
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| quaid
| but I guess it's not integrated?
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| itbegins
| danielsmw: Try pinging Toshio, he is involved with Zikula packaging
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| * danielsmw really likes beacon, btw.
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| Sparks
| quaid: And Beacon is the DocBook editor?
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| danielsmw
| itbegins: Will do
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| quaid
| Sparks: yep
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| quaid
| Sparks: well, it's a web wysiwyg editor that now has upstream code to read/write docbook :)
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| Sparks
| Yeah, we need to get that integrated
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| quaid
| satya has it running on a publictest instance, we can look at how to use it plain, too
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| * quaid is wandering topics now
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's move on. Lots of work to be done on Zikula but things are starting to come together
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.
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| Sparks
| quaid: So what's the skinny on the CC logos?
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| quaid
| ok
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| quaid
| I read and read that page
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| quaid
| http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html
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| quaid
| and it's clear that the ball is in Richard's court with folks from Creative Commons
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| Sparks
| And we haven't heard back from him on this, yet.
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| quaid
| it only having been a few weeks ... and he being a proactive and busy guy ... I think we have our clear answer for now
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| quaid
| and will hear when there is something more
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Do you have the text for the wiki?
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| quaid
| I would put this on the back-burner; don't forget about it, but revisit if a month goes by, then prod for a status.
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| quaid
| so ... a few more weeks at least, then see if we can kindly get a status. :)
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| Sparks
| Well, we can go ahead with the change over, use the text version of the license, and change later as necessary
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| * danielsmw has to go, sorry for the short visit.
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| quaid
| yes
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| quaid
| ciao danielsmw
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| danielsmw
| au revoir.
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Have a good day!
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: Thanks!
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| Sparks
| #action ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| ^^^ That is the timeline if anyone would like to take a peek at it.
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| Sparks
| I guess we are still waiting on the text being approved and then we can move on to step 4.
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| Sparks
| rudi: So what needs to happen to get the license changed in Publican for step 6?
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| rudi
| The people involved in doc publishing could do it at any time by hacking their Publican 0 installs
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| Sparks
| rudi: Yeah, but I want to push it to everyone. That way there is 1) no confusion, 2) no differences, 3) and everyone does it.
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| rudi
| I think it's unlikely that any more changes are forthcoming to brand packages for 0
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| rudi
| since 1 handles brands so differently.
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| rudi
| (And we're not quite up to testing brands in 1)
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| Sparks
| Well, that's a problem.
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| Sparks
| If 1 isn't out then 0 still needs to be supported
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| quaid
| um, hmm
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| rudi
| Not really; there are very few people actually publishing
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| quaid
| is there any technical reason not to change brand pkg for 0?
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| quaid
| it's just text strings, right?
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| rudi
| and I'm quite happy to wrap those notices up in the package that I've got parked on my Fedora people page.
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| rudi
| quaid -- correct.
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| rudi
| No technical reason
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| Sparks
| Well if we get new people in we should be able to say "install publican" not "install publican and then do all these changes before you can use it"
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| quaid
| rudi: is CS waiting to rebuild RHEL guides with the new license until 1.x handles brands?
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| * ianweller notes his action item and makes a sticky note
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Thank you
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| Sparks
| rudi: Can you adopt the brand and just make the changes there?
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| Sparks
| rudi: Or one of us?
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| rudi
| Sparks - I can check into that.
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| quaid
| does publican need a co-maintainer for the package?
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| * Sparks thinks 1.x should be released as publican-devel
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| quaid
| -devel has a specific meaning, though
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| quaid
| or was that a joke!
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| Sparks
| rudi: I'm not saying anything bad about Jeff... I know he's busy and he has this new tool he's putting a lot of effort into. But we still need the old tool to work for now.
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| quaid
| because if it was, very funny! just don't tell it to jfearn if you are on the same continent.
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| Sparks
| quaid: I thougth -devel was for the development version of a package... a beta
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| quaid
| nope
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| ianweller
| Sparks: -devel is development headers
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| quaid
| yep
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| ianweller
| in C, those would be the .h files
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| rudi
| Sparks -- yeah, but "work" for about three people :)
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| quaid
| Sparks: and Publican was originally proposed as 'docs-devel', with much arguing about why that wasn't OK and such
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| quaid
| rudi: sorry, where is the approv text for the license page? or proposed-and-under-review?
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| Sparks
| Well... I don't know. I'd like it to be in the repos... :)
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| quaid
| rudi: it's not the people count, it's the F12 release
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| quaid
| we have a dependency on a workingn tool for the F12 release
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| rudi
| quaid -- proposed and review version is here : http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/
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| quaid
| we've had a rocky time for three releases with Publican feature status
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| rudi
| The source is in the Publican repo already
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| quaid
| and I thought with RHEL content upstream out here using Publican, it would work for Fedora :)
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| quaid
| Sparks: well, there is no moving backward for now, so if Publican upstream isn't going to issue an update we can use, we'll have to do manual process around it again.
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| * Sparks thinks hijacking the package is an option... :)
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| Sparks
| quaid: Yeah
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| rudi
| (Fedora *is* the Publican upstream)
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on the license changeover?
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| quaid
| what is the reason for not pushing the brand update?
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| * quaid wonders if he has bad breath?
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| Sparks
| rudi: ^^^
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| quaid
| sorry, I haven't been reading publican-list; you can tell me to read the archives, if that's it
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| rudi
| Basically that energies are elsewhere at the moment
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| quaid
| can we have a packager apply to be co-maintainer?
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| quaid
| we can get some help to do the work, if that's the block.
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| rudi
| I'll ask :)
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| quaid
| https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml is the old stuff
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| quaid
| sparks, stickster, ke4qqq, or ianweller would all be good choices
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| rudi
| Yes, because the new is here: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/trunk/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml
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| quaid
| what's the bz for this?
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| rudi
| For what?
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| quaid
| the bz for publican-fedora requesting the license update
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| rudi
| I don't know that there is one
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| Sparks
| Might not be
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| quaid
| heh, ok
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| quaid
| rudi: thanks, that XML was helpful; I'm building a book I want to be clearly under the CC
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| rudi
| NP
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| quaid
| rudi: and many thanks for working on the update of the content
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| rudi
| If it's your own book, you might want to include the CC logo too ;)
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| * quaid is doing a Red Hat branded book, so knows the answer to that already
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| rudi
| I know I would :)
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| rudi
| Ah OK :)
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| Sparks
| NO CC LOGO IN PRINT!!! :)
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| Sparks
| Okay... anything else on this topic?
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| rudi
| Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0
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| quaid
| #Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0
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| * quaid thinks he can do that?
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| rudi
| Let me test the waters first :)
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| Sparks
| Okay, lets move on to the last few topics so we can wrap things up for the day
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
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| Sparks
| Does anyone need anything for their guide?
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| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
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| Sparks
| How about new guides? Any of them?
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| Sparks
| Okay, there is a new guide in the works...
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| Sparks
| there will be an Amateur Radio Guide coming out discussing the various pieces of software in Fedora for hams
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| Sparks
| Any others?
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| Sparks
| #topic All other business
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| * laubersm is available for proofreading
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else for the meeting?
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| laubersm
| I have lots of little sturts of time
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| laubersm
| I have very little predictable time
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| laubersm
| But ping me and I am happy to review materials...
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| Sparks
| laubersm: Yeah... understood
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| Sparks
| Thanks!
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| laubersm
| I know RN is coming up fast
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| laubersm
| and IG and UG for example
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| rudi
| Thanks laubersm -- I'll be needing you :)
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| quaid
| are the guides using Trac for one-task-per-chapter?
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| quaid
| there is a workflow we can impose there, with writer owning then passing to an open editor
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| quaid
| it's manual ...
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| Sparks
| Each chapter would be in its own file
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| Sparks
| The AR Guide will be in git
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| Sparks
| Anything else?
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| Sparks
| Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight!
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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