| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| zodbot
| Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:39 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call!
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| * Sparks
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| * jjmcd est ici ou la
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| * ke4qqq is here - believe it or not
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| * rudi is here
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| * Sparks just updated the agenda... :)
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| * quaid esta aqui
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| * ianweller is here but not watching, mention me if a response is needed...
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get started.
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| Sparks
| #topic Release notes format changes
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| jjmcd
| Couple things on RNs
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| jjmcd
| We are building every night for L10N
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Remind me, again, what this is and do we need to keep it on the agenda
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| jjmcd
| Most mornings I have been posting errors to trans list
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| rudi
| Props to jjmcd -- this is *excellent*
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| jjmcd
| I notice yesterday juhp and rudi had q1uite a chat about the tables
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| jjmcd
| as did I
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| jjmcd
| Result, really no changes. juhp thought comps might be a better source than primary.sqlite, but it is very incomplete
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| jjmcd
| And now, Sparks, I think you can remove this from the list
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| jjmcd
| Thanks rudi, but purely selfish
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: This is awesome work!
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| jjmcd
| We get a lot of hard errors fixed by someone else
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| Sparks
| jjmcd++
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| jjmcd
| <<--- lazy
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| rudi
| It relocates the work where it really should be?
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| jjmcd
| If I can get someone else to do the work !! ;-))
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| rudi
| :)
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| jjmcd
| ANd some of the translators are really digging in
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| Sparks
| So... is the plan still to post everything to docs.fp.o and to provide a link in the HELP menu and not the document itself?
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| jjmcd
| I thought we were going to figure out the KDE alternative for yelp
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| Sparks
| I don't know
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| jjmcd
| or just do yelp
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| jjmcd
| I think that was the result
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| Sparks
| I know we had discussed a few different ways of doing it
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| jjmcd
| I did intend to go back through the logs -- yeah, we talked about a half-doze approaches
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| jjmcd
| but I had this nagging feeling I had to much with KDE
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| Sparks
| I'm concerned about the translations and the RPMs
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| jjmcd
| If we make the rpm like F11 no prob
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| Sparks
| one BIG one or multiple RPMs for different languages?
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| jjmcd
| one big one, like we always have, except not as many formats
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| jjmcd
| Soyou get your lang automatically
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| jjmcd
| Won't be a shock to anyone that way
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| Sparks
| yeah
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| Sparks
| okay, any other questions?
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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| Sparks
| Any update on this?
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| ke4qqq
| none to speak of
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| ke4qqq
| at least not from me
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| Sparks
| someone was working on packaging the editor we needed.
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| ke4qqq
| mchua|away: and gang are making progress
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| quaid
| danielsmw was working the editor iirc
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Were you going to review the editor package?
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| ianweller
| was i?
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| ianweller
| i don't really remember.
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I think danielsmw was supposed to get with you to work out the errors he was getting...
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| ianweller
| i never heard from him.
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| Sparks
| ...and possibly get you to review the package
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| jjmcd
| I think it was last week Friday that I expected danielsmw to ask for help, never saw him, but I thought ianweller was going to review
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| ianweller
| i'll happily help out when needed :)
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| Sparks
| okay
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| Sparks
| can one of you follow up with him this week, please?
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| jjmcd
| I'll keep an eye out for him, but haven't seen much lately
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Isn't danielsmw down there with you?
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| ke4qqq
| he recently started back to college and he's on the 3 year plan - so things are probably a tad busy
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| Sparks
| I would think so
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| ke4qqq
| I'll call him this week and see what's up
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| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Thanks
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| Sparks
| #action ke4qqq to follow up with danielsmw on the editor package for Zikula
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on this topic?
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Are we ready to make the internal announcement?
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| Sparks
| quaid: Have you done the follow up with the RPM guide?
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| quaid
| hrm
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| quaid
| ok, here's the two bits.
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| quaid
| 1. I need to contact Eric Foster-Johnson about relicensing RPM Guide .. he didn't do a CLA, for example.
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| Sparks
| quaid: Where is the RPM Guide? I don't remember what that is, exactly.
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| quaid
| 2. We have some issues to work through still with the Max RPM content; there is a contributor who doesn't want to have their content relicensed nor have attribution.
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| quaid
| we have it in cvs or git or something
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| Sparks
| We were going to add more development and include the Max RPM content?
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| quaid
| yeah, the idea was to have both to meld in to one, new, shiny RPM Guide.
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| Sparks
| What are the current licenses?
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| ianweller
| Sparks: hi
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| ianweller
| sorry
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| quaid
| OPL clean for RPM Guide, OPL + non-free clauses for Max RPM
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| Sparks
| Well that's a problem.
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| quaid
| not if they are relicensed to the same CC BY SA :)
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| ianweller
| someone (Sparks) tell me if we're ready and i will make the announcement on docs-list devel-announce advisory-board etc
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| Sparks
| quaid: Yeah... IF
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| Sparks
| Okay... so here's the deal. I want the license change over done within the next two weeks. Is that feasible?
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| Sparks
| We can change the license and then reject the RPM guides if they don't want to play ball, imo.
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| Sparks
| rudi: Can you have publican updated within a week or two?
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| quaid
| oh, yeah
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| ianweller
| do we have to relicense them?
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| quaid
| RPM stuff is totally non-critical path
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| rudi
| Yep -- I'm just waiting for someone to pull the trigger
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| quaid
| move ahead with relicensing without worrying about RPM content
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| Sparks
| Okay.
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| ianweller
| #action ianweller to figure out how to change the license on the wiki
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| ianweller
| :)
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Go ahead and put the word out internally
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| quaid
| that was all a courtesy/interest; that's RPM.org stuff, people here just said, "I'd like to help," so I took on that relicensing too :)
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| ianweller
| Sparks: ok
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| ianweller
| will do that in a couple of hours
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| Sparks
| This license change will NOT affect stuff in git... etc.
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Thanks
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| ianweller
| Sparks: is that on the announcement draft?
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| ianweller
| let's go over that.
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| ianweller
| cuz that's what i'm gonna copy/paste.
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| Sparks
| The license change will affect stuff on the wiki and stuff we publish
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| ianweller
| that requires i find it
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Doh! I didn't link to it anywhere!
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| Sparks
| #action rudi to change the license information in the publican brands for Fedora
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| rudi
| Sparks -- so is that a green light now?
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| * ianweller hunts in his email box
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| Sparks
| rudi: Yes
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| rudi
| OK
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| ianweller
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release -- the bottom one.
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| ianweller
| let's discuss that.
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| Sparks
| rudi: I'm going to shoot a message to the list to make sure that all guide owners are aware of the upcoming change. Just reply to that when you get it all straight, please.
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| rudi
| Will do
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Looks good. Should we make a wiki page that says why we are doing this and maybe some FAQs and post that link in that announcement?
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| ianweller
| Sparks: that would be pretty awesome.
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| ianweller
| i'm working on an english project right now so if somebody could do that tonight i will buy them a drink
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| Sparks
| Of course we'd need some folks to ask questions so we'd know what is a FAQ
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| ianweller
| "what's CC"
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| ianweller
| "why is the OPL bad"
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| ianweller
| "why is CC better"
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| Sparks
| "why is it better than OPL"
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| ianweller
| "what's the scope of this change"
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| quaid
| uh, did't I write all that?
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| ianweller
| you did yeah.
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| quaid
| but not as a FAQ!
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| ianweller
| i think.
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| Sparks
| quaid: Where?
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| ianweller
| Sparks: on the announcement
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| quaid
| FAQe (pronounced "fake")
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| quaid
| one sec
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| ianweller
| lole
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| Sparks
| quaid: Yeah, you did.
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| quaid
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
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| quaid
| #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
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| ianweller
| well HEY
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| quaid
| some of those links don't look right ...
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| quaid
| maybe I left stubs for more?
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| ianweller
| whoa.
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| Sparks
| Ummm
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| Sparks
| I don't think we are relicensing Fedora Hosted... are we?
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| quaid
| no, see
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| quaid
| stubs
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| Sparks
| I could see some potential problems.
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| Sparks
| Oh
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| quaid
| for all of the guides we have there
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| quaid
| just fill in whatever
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| ianweller
| but yeah i still need somebody awesome to turn that page into an FAQ perhaps
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| quaid
| yeah, last history is 'interim save' meaning I never got it to deserving a full comment block
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| ianweller
| quaid: hah
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| Sparks
| quaid: Can I use your blog text on the page?
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| quaid
| Sparks: natch!
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| quaid
| I hereby license it under CC BY SA, with attribution being a link back to the original post
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| * quaid dual licenses it under OPL for the time being
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| quaid
| so it can be put on the page until he license change :D
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| quaid
| isn't copyright fun!
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| Sparks
| quaid: I'm going to need that in writing, please. :)
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| ianweller
| that isn't writing? ;)
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| Sparks
| I need a paper
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| Sparks
| On advice from my attorney-in-training...
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| quaid
| nope, IRC log is good enough
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| quaid
| on advice from my monkey council
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| Sparks
| :)
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| * Sparks really didn't ask her as she's currently writing a motion for her case and I'd hate to become a part of that case
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| * ianweller makes a motion
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| * ianweller dances on the floor
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| ianweller
| quaid: ok so i'm volunteering you to faqize that faqe
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| quaid
| ha
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| quaid
| good luck with that
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| ianweller
| ;)
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| quaid
| hey, you know what would help here?
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| ianweller
| a drink?
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| quaid
| can we get a quick list of the guides in f'hosted?
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| quaid
| yeh, that too
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| quaid
| that we want to switch?
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| * quaid edits the page to put them in
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| Sparks
| Okay, I just pasted that into the wiki page but it's ugly... I'll be fixing that later.
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| quaid
| um, if it's done for now?
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| quaid
| ok
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| * quaid is adding in the fhosted list so will fix some formatting now
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| Sparks
| quaid: Do we want to selectively list the guides we are relicensing or just say "all guides"?
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| quaid
| hmm
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| quaid
| I have it as a task to email *all* contributors, past and present
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| quaid
| as a courtesy
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| quaid
| so it would help if we had a definitive list
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| quaid
| I think ...
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| Sparks
| Is that even possible?
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| quaid
| theoretically
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| quaid
| I could get a good list of names with a few hours in cvs and f'hosted
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| Sparks
| I know the security guide has been in so many different formats and changed/modified that I don't know what kind of paper trail is even left.
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| quaid
| it's a courtesy move; if we cannot reach people, it's not a game stopper.
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| quaid
| ah
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| quaid
| yeah, well, I mayn't look for wiki stuff
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| Sparks
| the SG came from the wiki...
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| quaid
| just thinking Install guide, etc.
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| quaid
| yeah, I get that
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| Sparks
| and I mean MOIN wiki
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| quaid
| heh
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| * quaid can get his hands on that stuff, too
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| quaid
| ok ...
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| quaid
| well, it might be futile; and it's NOT on the critical path.
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| Sparks
| Not trying to discourage... :)
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| quaid
| ok, back to the question at hand ...
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| quaid
| I have:
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| quaid
| Wiki
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| quaid
| Installation guide
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| quaid
| Release notes
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| quaid
| Security guide
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| quaid
| SELiux guide
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| quaid
| adding ...
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| quaid
| Deployment guide
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| quaid
| else?
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| Sparks
| Assessibility Guide
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| quaid
| is that fhosted.org/accessibility-guide?
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| Sparks
| I think so... I just put it there a few months ago. It used to be in the RN up to F9 or F10
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| quaid
| /me looking for 'guide' on fh.o
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| Sparks
| That's a good start. :)
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| Sparks
| quaid: You should see one in there for an Amateur Radio Guide but there's nothing there, yet, and should be jjmcd and I working on that so no worries there.
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| quaid
| http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/Deployment_Guide/ ?
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| Sparks
| What's the question?
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| quaid
| http://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide
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| quaid
| it's weird for both to appear, first seems empty; old?
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| rudi
| New!
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| quaid
| ah, or that
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| rudi
| perspectival is working on that one
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| rudi
| Doesn't seem to be here right now
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| Sparks
| any others?
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| rudi
| Add Virtualization Guide
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| quaid
| yeah
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| quaid
| I'm rolling down the page
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| quaid
| about-fedora etc.
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| quaid
| what is http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/redhatsecurityguide.git
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| quaid
| v.
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| quaid
| https://fedorahosted.org/securityguide/
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| Sparks
| Don't know what the first one is... the second one should be the "fedora" sg
| 00:55
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| * quaid wishes we had all stuck with the "- is the space designator" for hosted project guide names
| 00:55
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| quaid
| some with, some without, and now a bunch of New_Style
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| jjmcd
| Publican works better with _
| 00:56
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| * quaid rolls his eyes and bites his tongue
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| jjmcd
| Yeah, well, I agree
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| quaid
| probably not worth changing the other names
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| * quaid *cough* you know, from the names similar to Fedora Packaging Standards
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| quaid
| ok, we don't have to kill the mtg with this
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| quaid
| I'll publish the updated page in a few.
| 00:57
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| Sparks
| anything else on this topic?
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| quaid
| #link https://fedorahosted.org/rpmguide/
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| quaid
| for the record
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| Sparks
| Okay... lets cut down to the meat and potatoes...
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
| 00:58
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| * ianweller has to run
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| Sparks
| Any guides have any needs?
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| ianweller: See ya
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| jjmcd
| Sparks - use same image conventions as user guide?
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| jjmcd
| i.e. images/chapter
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| sure
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
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| Sparks
| Any new guides?
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| Sparks
| #topic All other business
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| Sparks
| Any other items that need to be discussed?
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| Okay, thanks everyone for coming!
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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