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#startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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Meeting started Thu Nov 5 00:00:44 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| Sparks
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#topic Roll Call
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00:01
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| * Sparks
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00:01
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| * jjmcd .
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| * rudi is here
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00:01
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| jjmcd
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Wow ... where are all the troublemakers and ne'er do wells?
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00:03
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: That's just what I was thinking
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00:03
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| jjmcd
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prolly missed the time change
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00:04
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: Yeah, it's going to be a little annoying for a couple of weeks
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00:04
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| Sparks
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Okay, let's get started as we have a lot to cover...
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| Sparks
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#topic Old Business
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00:04
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| jjmcd
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Well, MITN moved to 6 on account of conditions so no conflict there
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00:04
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| Sparks
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Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous contributors
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00:05
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| Sparks
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^^^ done and I'll follow up on this during the CC discussion
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00:05
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| Sparks
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#topic Release Announcement
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00:05
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| Sparks
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To be ready no later than November 10.
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00:05
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| Sparks
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We need to get with Marketting on this and make sure that everyone is on the same page.
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00:06
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| jjmcd
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who is mktg contact?
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00:06
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| Sparks
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Can I get a volunteer to work with Marketting to make sure everything good?
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00:06
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: I think mchua_afk
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00:06
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| Sparks
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But I don't know
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00:06
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| Sparks
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Anyone?
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00:07
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| * jjmcd is concerned about zero day RN issues overlapping with reporting time of month which is normally bad
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| Sparks
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Ya
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00:08
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| Sparks
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Okay, I'll put the word out on the list.
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| Sparks
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#action Follow up with mktg on the Release Announcement.
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00:08
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Release Notes
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00:08
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: What's the latest?
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00:08
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| jjmcd
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Let me relate what went on
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00:09
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| jjmcd
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it was a disaster
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00:09
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| jjmcd
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Asyou know our schedule had us building the rpm a week after it was needed
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00:09
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| jjmcd
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When I first tried to build it, I had a terrible time with the omfs, not sure why
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00:09
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| jjmcd
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even now, there is a lot of weirdness about bits of the omfs being translated and others not
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00:10
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| jjmcd
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haven't yet sorted out what is causing that -- right now there appears to be no pattern
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00:10
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| jjmcd
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Once I got the omfs to work, yelp would crash 2-5 minutes after opening the rn's whether you were looking around or not
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00:10
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| jjmcd
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Eventually concluded yelp has some sort of size limitation, so I replaced the tables with a link to docs.fp.o
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00:11
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| jjmcd
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Also, stupid publican doesn't make the index for xml, just says "index belongs here" essentially
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00:11
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| jjmcd
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and at one point, all the xml's had a note saying they were empty. Don't know where that came from or why it went away
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00:12
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| jjmcd
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Anyway, eventually got the help to work, but when you go to about-fedora directly from the menu, as opposed to from help, it isn't formatted properly
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00:12
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| jjmcd
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Interestingly, the publican produced xml is kind of screwed up, but help seems to deal with it. Fixing the screw ups, tho, doesn't change anything
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00:13
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| jjmcd
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Anyway, as you know, we encountered pub 1.0 on koji, so we worked around it by runing publican outside of rpmbuild
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| jjmcd
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We will need to do that for zero day, too. Really not much of a problem except when you discover it an hour before you need the rpm!
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| jjmcd
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So, that;s where we are. Any questions?
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00:14
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| Sparks
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So many with so little time.
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| jjmcd
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that was last night!
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00:15
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| Sparks
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But the package got built in koji and we lived happily ever after... until zero day... right?
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00:15
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| jjmcd
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right
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00:15
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| jjmcd
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Not everything we wanted
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00:15
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| jjmcd
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tables are linked to instead of there, a-f from menu screwy, and help titles partly translated
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00:16
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| Sparks
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Okay, but everything is on target for the release day, correct?
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00:16
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| jjmcd
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correct
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00:16
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| Sparks
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Okay... moving on! :)
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00:16
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| jjmcd
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We will fiz what we can on zero day
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00:16
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| jjmcd
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But we won't try the make inside rombuild until next rel
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Installation Guide
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00:17
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| Sparks
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rudi: I guess you are up. Is the Installation Guide ready for prime time?
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00:17
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| rudi
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Good to go
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00:17
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| Sparks
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Excellent.
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00:18
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Installation Quick Start Guide
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00:18
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: And I'm guessing this is ready as well?
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00:18
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| Sparks
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rudi: And I'm guessing this is ready as well?
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00:18
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| * jjmcd has no idea about iqsg
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00:18
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| rudi
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Yep :)
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00:18
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Deployment Guide
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00:19
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| Sparks
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I don't think the lead is on tonight for the Deployment Guide.
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00:19
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| Sparks
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Is that up on docs.fp.o?
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00:19
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| rudi
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Yeah -- it's up there
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00:19
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| Sparks
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Yeah, just checked. In English...
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00:20
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| jjmcd
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rudi, were you going to have the redirect pages ready for release?
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00:20
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| rudi
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jjmcd -- yeah, I will
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - User Guide
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00:21
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| rudi
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I started that last week and ended up toasting my entire local copy of the site ;)
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00:21
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| Sparks
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rudi: Yikes!
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00:21
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| jjmcd
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don't you just love that
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00:21
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| Sparks
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danielsmw: You here tonight?
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00:21
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| Sparks
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Hmmm... Well I see it on the docs.fp.o for F12...
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00:22
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| rudi
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Yeah -- I got bit because I forgot that different docs have entirely different directory structures :)
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00:22
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| Sparks
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I'll take that as a good sign.
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00:22
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| Sparks
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rudi: We need to remedy that.
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00:22
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| jjmcd
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We need to be sure we don't do that on zikula
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00:22
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| Sparks
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yes
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00:22
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status -
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| jjmcd
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Fixing it in cvs will be a major pita
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00:22
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - SELinux User Guide
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00:23
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| Sparks
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radsy: What say you on your SELinux guide(s)?
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00:23
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| rudi
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jjmcd -- yeah; I am *not* going to volunteer for that job :)
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00:23
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| radsy
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Sparks, services guide didn't get an update for f12
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00:23
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| Sparks
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radsy: Did it need an update?
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| radsy
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no, it's all still accurate/recent
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| Sparks
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I'm good with that.
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00:24
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| Sparks
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rudi: Can you make sure that the F12 docs include radsy's guides on SELinux?
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00:24
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| radsy
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i've been doing the wireless guide, and might be branching into desktop documentation, so i'm likely to be in and out a bit.
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| Sparks
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radsy: No problem. Just let us know where we can help!
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Security Guide
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00:25
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| rudi
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Sparks -- will do
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00:25
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| Sparks
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Very little changed from F11 to F12 in this guide. I have started working on improvements for F13, though.
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| Sparks
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rudi: Thank you
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Virtualization Guide
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00:25
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| Sparks
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Tsagadai: You here tonight?
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00:26
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| Tsagadai
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sure am
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00:26
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| Sparks
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Tsagadai: Got an update on your Virtualization Guide?
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00:26
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| Tsagadai
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I've been preoccupied with the RHEV release :)
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00:26
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| Tsagadai
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but, there are a lot of updates coming very shortly (hopefully this week)
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| Sparks
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Tsagadai: But it's ready for F12, correct?
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00:27
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| Tsagadai
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ready in a sense
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00:27
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| Sparks
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Well okay then! :)
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| Sparks
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Tsagadai: Thanks for the update. Let us know if any assistance is needed.
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00:28
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Fedora Live Images
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00:28
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| Sparks
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I see this is on the website...
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00:28
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| Sparks
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rudi: Is this yours?
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00:28
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| rudi
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Not officially, no
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00:29
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| rudi
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But since no-one else was tending it, I've been looking after it :)
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00:29
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| Sparks
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rudi: Are any of them officially yours? :)
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00:29
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| rudi
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lolz IG and IQSG :)
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00:29
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| Sparks
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rudi: Ya... Another one of those that is on my rescue list. Thanks for picking it up.
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00:29
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| Sparks
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rudi: So it's out there for F12 so that's good
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00:30
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| rudi
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And yes, it's ready to go :)
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00:30
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| Sparks
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Excellent!
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00:30
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Making Fedora Discs
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00:30
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| Sparks
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rudi: And this one is also ready to go!
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00:30
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| rudi
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Yeah
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00:30
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| Sparks
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Excellent.
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00:30
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Accessibility Guide
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00:30
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| Sparks
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And this is one that I picked up...
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00:31
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| Sparks
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It needs work. It was very well written years ago but some of the information is dated and there are new solutions available now.
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00:31
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| Sparks
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So I've been working on a reorganization with the help of rudi fact checking the existing information.
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00:31
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| Sparks
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I don't think it will be ready before F12 but it will be available somewhere between F12 and F13 for sure.
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00:32
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| Sparks
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#topic Guide Status - Overall Picture
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00:32
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| Sparks
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I just want to take a second and say thank you to everyone that contributed to the many guides we have.
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00:33
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| Sparks
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Without the Accessibility Guide, we will have nine guides going to "press" for F12!
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00:33
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| Sparks
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That is outstanding!
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00:33
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| jjmcd
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We should have a Docs press release alongside the F12 press release
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00:33
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| Sparks
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We should!
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00:34
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| quaid
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+1
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00:34
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| Sparks
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I'll have to go back in my notes but I think we shipped maybe five guides last release.
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00:34
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| jjmcd
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hey! there is life in kalifornia
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00:34
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| * quaid blames tardiness on daylight savings
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00:34
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| * ianweller is here
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00:34
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| Sparks
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#topic New Guides
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00:34
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| Sparks
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radsy: You want to talk about your new projects?
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00:35
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| rudi
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radsy is AFK
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00:36
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| Sparks
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Okay
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00:36
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| Sparks
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Well, I'll let him tell the tale.
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00:36
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| Sparks
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Anything else guide-related?
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00:37
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| Sparks
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#topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
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00:38
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| Sparks
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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00:38
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| Sparks
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I think danielsmw finished packaging one of the editors.
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00:39
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| Sparks
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Does anyone else have any other items on this?
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00:39
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| Sparks
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Okay, moving on!
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| Sparks
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#topic Status on CC license rollout.
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00:40
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| Sparks
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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00:40
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| Sparks
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So I think we are ready to officially announce the change to CC-BY-SA!
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00:41
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| Sparks
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ianweller: You gonna do the announcement?
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00:42
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| ianweller
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suuuuuuure
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00:42
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| ianweller
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Sparks: everything's done?
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00:43
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| Sparks
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ianweller: AFAIK
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00:43
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| radsy
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back
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00:43
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| Sparks
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quaid: Any other obsticles that you know of?
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00:43
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| ianweller
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front
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00:43
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| quaid
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nope
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00:43
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| jjmcd
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right
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00:43
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| quaid
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all clear!
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00:43
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| Sparks
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Guides have been regenerated... wiki has been changed
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00:44
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| jjmcd
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Guides now all in rpm as well?
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00:44
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| Sparks
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I think spot has given us the go ahead.
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00:44
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| * quaid . o O { The final pieces of The Master Plan are coming together! }
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00:44
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| ianweller
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i'll make the announcement after the meeting then
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00:44
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| ianweller
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lemee go double check where it is
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00:44
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| quaid
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oops, did I think that outloud?
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00:44
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: The only guides in RPM are f-r-n and the Security Guide and I did the Security Guide the other day
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00:44
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| ianweller
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release ?
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00:44
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| ianweller
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anybody have any qualms about what we're sending out
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00:45
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| Sparks
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release
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00:45
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| jjmcd
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oh my gosh! You're going to send out THAT?
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00:45
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: Yeah, except we are going to put your name on it.
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00:46
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| jjmcd
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oh, ok
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00:46
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| Sparks
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ianweller: Do we (you) need to talk with the CC folks directly about this so they can do something if they wish?
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00:46
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| ianweller
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lovin the we (you)
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00:46
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| ianweller
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Sparks: i'll ping mlinksvayer
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00:47
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| Sparks
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ianweller: You are my resident CC guy
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00:47
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| Sparks
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ianweller: Cool
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00:47
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| * Sparks is excited!
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00:47
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| ianweller
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and he *just* quit IRC
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00:47
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| ianweller
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lulz
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00:47
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| quaid
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did that go through
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00:47
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| quaid
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the *new" press release mojo of f-marketing-l?
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00:47
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| * quaid mixes his ASCII markup
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00:47
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| ianweller
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quaid: yeah mchua_afk looked at it
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00:48
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| Sparks
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So I'll mark 8 complete
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00:48
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| ianweller
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snazzed it up
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00:48
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| ianweller
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oh
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00:49
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| Sparks
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So is everyone a go for the license change? Any issues we haven't thought of?
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00:49
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| ianweller
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also note that mlinksva offered to provide a quote for the press release (i just reread the email he sent me a few months back)
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00:50
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| ianweller
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if we wanna do that?
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00:50
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| jjmcd
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I only changed the omf's for those languages we are shipping
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00:50
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| quaid
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+1
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00:50
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| Sparks
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ianweller: Sure if you want.
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00:50
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| ianweller
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we'll do that, and then push the PR through all the relevant tubez
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00:50
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| jjmcd
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There may be other omf footprints hidden in f-r-n, about-fedora and others
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00:50
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| jjmcd
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errr OPL footprints
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00:51
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: Okay. I'm sure we'll need to shake out a few here and there.
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00:51
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| jjmcd
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yeah
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00:51
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| jjmcd
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I was surprised to find that there last night
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00:51
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| quaid
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yeah, it's not going to kill us
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00:52
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| quaid
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if we have to take some bug reports and fix some packages after release
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00:52
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| quaid
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the intention is clear and our there, that counts a lot
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00:52
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| jjmcd
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You only find it if you go rummaging around in /usr/share/gnome as far as I can tell
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00:52
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| Sparks
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Okay, anything else on this topic?
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00:53
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| Sparks
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#action ianweller to get a quote from mlinksva (CC) to include in the press release
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00:53
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| Sparks
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#action ianweller to ship the press release to all the necessary tubez
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00:54
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| Sparks
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ianweller: When do you think this will occur?
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00:54
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| ianweller
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"soon"
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00:54
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| ianweller
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announcement tonight, maybe a quote back from mlinksva by tomorrow
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00:54
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| Sparks
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Before the end of the year?
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00:54
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| ianweller
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who knows
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00:54
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| ianweller
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then i'll ask mel about pushing through tubez
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00:54
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| Sparks
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Okay. :)
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00:54
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| Sparks
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Does RH handle that?
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00:54
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| ianweller
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hehe hopefully before january ;)
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00:54
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| ianweller
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i dunno.
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00:54
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| quaid
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yeah, we can ask for an RHT hand-off
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00:55
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| ianweller
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i really have no clue, and i'm hoping mchua_afk does ;)
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00:55
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| quaid
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there is the business wire stuff
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00:55
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| quaid
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and the press.redhat.com
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00:55
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| ianweller
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and/or coordinate it
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00:55
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| Sparks
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cool.
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00:55
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| quaid
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yeah, she does; there is likely an SOP on it somewhere
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00:55
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| Sparks
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#action ianweller to coordinate with mchua_afk on the press release
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00:55
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| Sparks
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Okay, anything else?
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00:55
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| Sparks
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#topic New Guides
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00:56
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| Sparks
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Going back to this topic because I'm excited by some of radsy's work
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00:56
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| Sparks
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radsy: Tell us about your new projects
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00:57
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| Sparks
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please
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00:57
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| radsy
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ok
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00:57
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| radsy
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I've been silently working on a wireless guide: http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/Wireless_Guide/en-US/html-single/
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00:57
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| radsy
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mainly a high-level overview of 802.11 stuff, but other mobile tech (ev-do, hsdpa etc.) will end up in there
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00:57
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| radsy
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started as a side project really but has gained a bit of attention here, which could lead me to doing desktop/network docs, especially emerging desktop tech
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00:58
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| radsy
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but we're still in talks to find out priorities/agendas, etc.
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00:58
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| radsy
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that's all
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00:58
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| Sparks
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I've read the WG and it's cool.
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00:59
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| Sparks
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radsy: Is the guide hosted on fhosted.o?
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00:59
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| radsy
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Sparks, not as yet
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00:59
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| Sparks
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radsy: Okay. Do you need a BZ component for handling tickets?
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00:59
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| radsy
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once i'm a bit happier with it, yes I will
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01:00
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| Sparks
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radsy: Okay, just let me know and we'll get you setup.
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01:00
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| radsy
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no rush straight away however
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01:00
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| radsy
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ok
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01:00
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| Sparks
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Anyone have any questions?
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| Sparks
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Okay, thanks radsy!
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| Sparks
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#topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
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| Sparks
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#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW
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01:01
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| Sparks
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There are currently 9 new bugs that have not been assigned.
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| Sparks
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Please visit the link above and see if you can handle one (or more) of these tickets, please.
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| Sparks
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#topic All other business
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| Sparks
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Okay, does anyone have anything else?
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| Sparks
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Anyone?
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01:03
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| Sparks
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Anything?
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01:03
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| Sparks
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Okay, then we'll go ahead and close down tonight.
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| Sparks
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Thanks everyone for coming!
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| Sparks
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Keep up the excellent work!
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| Sparks
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#endmeeting
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