| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| zodbot
| Meeting started Thu Nov 5 00:00:44 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call
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| * Sparks
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| * jjmcd .
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| * rudi is here
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| jjmcd
| Wow ... where are all the troublemakers and ne'er do wells?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: That's just what I was thinking
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| jjmcd
| prolly missed the time change
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yeah, it's going to be a little annoying for a couple of weeks
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get started as we have a lot to cover...
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| Sparks
| #topic Old Business
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| jjmcd
| Well, MITN moved to 6 on account of conditions so no conflict there
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| Sparks
| Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous contributors
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| Sparks
| ^^^ done and I'll follow up on this during the CC discussion
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| Sparks
| #topic Release Announcement
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| Sparks
| To be ready no later than November 10.
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| Sparks
| We need to get with Marketting on this and make sure that everyone is on the same page.
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| jjmcd
| who is mktg contact?
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| Sparks
| Can I get a volunteer to work with Marketting to make sure everything good?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: I think mchua_afk
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| Sparks
| But I don't know
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| Sparks
| Anyone?
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| * jjmcd is concerned about zero day RN issues overlapping with reporting time of month which is normally bad
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| Sparks
| Ya
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'll put the word out on the list.
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| Sparks
| #action Follow up with mktg on the Release Announcement.
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Release Notes
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: What's the latest?
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| jjmcd
| Let me relate what went on
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| jjmcd
| it was a disaster
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| jjmcd
| Asyou know our schedule had us building the rpm a week after it was needed
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| jjmcd
| When I first tried to build it, I had a terrible time with the omfs, not sure why
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| jjmcd
| even now, there is a lot of weirdness about bits of the omfs being translated and others not
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| jjmcd
| haven't yet sorted out what is causing that -- right now there appears to be no pattern
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| jjmcd
| Once I got the omfs to work, yelp would crash 2-5 minutes after opening the rn's whether you were looking around or not
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| jjmcd
| Eventually concluded yelp has some sort of size limitation, so I replaced the tables with a link to docs.fp.o
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| jjmcd
| Also, stupid publican doesn't make the index for xml, just says "index belongs here" essentially
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| jjmcd
| and at one point, all the xml's had a note saying they were empty. Don't know where that came from or why it went away
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| jjmcd
| Anyway, eventually got the help to work, but when you go to about-fedora directly from the menu, as opposed to from help, it isn't formatted properly
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| jjmcd
| Interestingly, the publican produced xml is kind of screwed up, but help seems to deal with it. Fixing the screw ups, tho, doesn't change anything
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| jjmcd
| Anyway, as you know, we encountered pub 1.0 on koji, so we worked around it by runing publican outside of rpmbuild
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| jjmcd
| We will need to do that for zero day, too. Really not much of a problem except when you discover it an hour before you need the rpm!
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| jjmcd
| So, that;s where we are. Any questions?
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| Sparks
| So many with so little time.
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| jjmcd
| that was last night!
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| Sparks
| But the package got built in koji and we lived happily ever after... until zero day... right?
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| jjmcd
| right
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| jjmcd
| Not everything we wanted
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| jjmcd
| tables are linked to instead of there, a-f from menu screwy, and help titles partly translated
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| Sparks
| Okay, but everything is on target for the release day, correct?
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| jjmcd
| correct
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| Sparks
| Okay... moving on! :)
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| jjmcd
| We will fiz what we can on zero day
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| jjmcd
| But we won't try the make inside rombuild until next rel
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Installation Guide
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| Sparks
| rudi: I guess you are up. Is the Installation Guide ready for prime time?
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| rudi
| Good to go
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| Sparks
| Excellent.
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Installation Quick Start Guide
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: And I'm guessing this is ready as well?
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| Sparks
| rudi: And I'm guessing this is ready as well?
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| * jjmcd has no idea about iqsg
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| rudi
| Yep :)
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Deployment Guide
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| Sparks
| I don't think the lead is on tonight for the Deployment Guide.
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| Sparks
| Is that up on docs.fp.o?
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| rudi
| Yeah -- it's up there
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| Sparks
| Yeah, just checked. In English...
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| jjmcd
| rudi, were you going to have the redirect pages ready for release?
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- yeah, I will
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - User Guide
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| rudi
| I started that last week and ended up toasting my entire local copy of the site ;)
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| Sparks
| rudi: Yikes!
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| jjmcd
| don't you just love that
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: You here tonight?
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| Sparks
| Hmmm... Well I see it on the docs.fp.o for F12...
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| rudi
| Yeah -- I got bit because I forgot that different docs have entirely different directory structures :)
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| Sparks
| I'll take that as a good sign.
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| Sparks
| rudi: We need to remedy that.
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| jjmcd
| We need to be sure we don't do that on zikula
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| Sparks
| yes
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status -
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| jjmcd
| Fixing it in cvs will be a major pita
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - SELinux User Guide
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| Sparks
| radsy: What say you on your SELinux guide(s)?
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- yeah; I am *not* going to volunteer for that job :)
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| radsy
| Sparks, services guide didn't get an update for f12
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| Sparks
| radsy: Did it need an update?
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| radsy
| no, it's all still accurate/recent
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| Sparks
| I'm good with that.
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| Sparks
| rudi: Can you make sure that the F12 docs include radsy's guides on SELinux?
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| radsy
| i've been doing the wireless guide, and might be branching into desktop documentation, so i'm likely to be in and out a bit.
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| Sparks
| radsy: No problem. Just let us know where we can help!
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Security Guide
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| rudi
| Sparks -- will do
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| Sparks
| Very little changed from F11 to F12 in this guide. I have started working on improvements for F13, though.
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| Sparks
| rudi: Thank you
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Virtualization Guide
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: You here tonight?
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| Tsagadai
| sure am
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Got an update on your Virtualization Guide?
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| Tsagadai
| I've been preoccupied with the RHEV release :)
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| Tsagadai
| but, there are a lot of updates coming very shortly (hopefully this week)
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: But it's ready for F12, correct?
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| Tsagadai
| ready in a sense
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| Sparks
| Well okay then! :)
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| Sparks
| Tsagadai: Thanks for the update. Let us know if any assistance is needed.
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Fedora Live Images
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| Sparks
| I see this is on the website...
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| Sparks
| rudi: Is this yours?
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| rudi
| Not officially, no
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| rudi
| But since no-one else was tending it, I've been looking after it :)
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| Sparks
| rudi: Are any of them officially yours? :)
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| rudi
| lolz IG and IQSG :)
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| Sparks
| rudi: Ya... Another one of those that is on my rescue list. Thanks for picking it up.
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| Sparks
| rudi: So it's out there for F12 so that's good
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| rudi
| And yes, it's ready to go :)
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| Sparks
| Excellent!
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Making Fedora Discs
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| Sparks
| rudi: And this one is also ready to go!
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| rudi
| Yeah
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| Sparks
| Excellent.
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Accessibility Guide
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| Sparks
| And this is one that I picked up...
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| Sparks
| It needs work. It was very well written years ago but some of the information is dated and there are new solutions available now.
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| Sparks
| So I've been working on a reorganization with the help of rudi fact checking the existing information.
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| Sparks
| I don't think it will be ready before F12 but it will be available somewhere between F12 and F13 for sure.
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide Status - Overall Picture
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| Sparks
| I just want to take a second and say thank you to everyone that contributed to the many guides we have.
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| Sparks
| Without the Accessibility Guide, we will have nine guides going to "press" for F12!
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| Sparks
| That is outstanding!
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| jjmcd
| We should have a Docs press release alongside the F12 press release
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| Sparks
| We should!
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| quaid
| +1
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| Sparks
| I'll have to go back in my notes but I think we shipped maybe five guides last release.
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| jjmcd
| hey! there is life in kalifornia
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| * quaid blames tardiness on daylight savings
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| * ianweller is here
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| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
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| Sparks
| radsy: You want to talk about your new projects?
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| rudi
| radsy is AFK
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| Sparks
| Well, I'll let him tell the tale.
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| Sparks
| Anything else guide-related?
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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| Sparks
| I think danielsmw finished packaging one of the editors.
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| Sparks
| Does anyone else have any other items on this?
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on!
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| So I think we are ready to officially announce the change to CC-BY-SA!
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| Sparks
| ianweller: You gonna do the announcement?
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| ianweller
| suuuuuuure
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| ianweller
| Sparks: everything's done?
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| Sparks
| ianweller: AFAIK
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| radsy
| back
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| Sparks
| quaid: Any other obsticles that you know of?
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| ianweller
| front
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| quaid
| nope
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| jjmcd
| right
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| quaid
| all clear!
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| Sparks
| Guides have been regenerated... wiki has been changed
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| jjmcd
| Guides now all in rpm as well?
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| Sparks
| I think spot has given us the go ahead.
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| * quaid . o O { The final pieces of The Master Plan are coming together! }
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| ianweller
| i'll make the announcement after the meeting then
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| ianweller
| lemee go double check where it is
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| quaid
| oops, did I think that outloud?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: The only guides in RPM are f-r-n and the Security Guide and I did the Security Guide the other day
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| ianweller
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release ?
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| ianweller
| anybody have any qualms about what we're sending out
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release
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| jjmcd
| oh my gosh! You're going to send out THAT?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yeah, except we are going to put your name on it.
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| jjmcd
| oh, ok
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Do we (you) need to talk with the CC folks directly about this so they can do something if they wish?
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| ianweller
| lovin the we (you)
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| ianweller
| Sparks: i'll ping mlinksvayer
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| Sparks
| ianweller: You are my resident CC guy
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Cool
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| * Sparks is excited!
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| ianweller
| and he *just* quit IRC
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| ianweller
| lulz
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| quaid
| did that go through
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| quaid
| the *new" press release mojo of f-marketing-l?
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| * quaid mixes his ASCII markup
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| ianweller
| quaid: yeah mchua_afk looked at it
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| Sparks
| So I'll mark 8 complete
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| ianweller
| snazzed it up
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| ianweller
| oh
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| Sparks
| So is everyone a go for the license change? Any issues we haven't thought of?
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| ianweller
| also note that mlinksva offered to provide a quote for the press release (i just reread the email he sent me a few months back)
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| ianweller
| if we wanna do that?
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| jjmcd
| I only changed the omf's for those languages we are shipping
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| quaid
| +1
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Sure if you want.
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| ianweller
| we'll do that, and then push the PR through all the relevant tubez
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| jjmcd
| There may be other omf footprints hidden in f-r-n, about-fedora and others
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| jjmcd
| errr OPL footprints
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Okay. I'm sure we'll need to shake out a few here and there.
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| jjmcd
| yeah
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| jjmcd
| I was surprised to find that there last night
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| quaid
| yeah, it's not going to kill us
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| quaid
| if we have to take some bug reports and fix some packages after release
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| quaid
| the intention is clear and our there, that counts a lot
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| jjmcd
| You only find it if you go rummaging around in /usr/share/gnome as far as I can tell
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on this topic?
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| Sparks
| #action ianweller to get a quote from mlinksva (CC) to include in the press release
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| Sparks
| #action ianweller to ship the press release to all the necessary tubez
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| Sparks
| ianweller: When do you think this will occur?
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| ianweller
| "soon"
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| ianweller
| announcement tonight, maybe a quote back from mlinksva by tomorrow
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| Sparks
| Before the end of the year?
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| ianweller
| who knows
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| ianweller
| then i'll ask mel about pushing through tubez
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| Sparks
| Okay. :)
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| Sparks
| Does RH handle that?
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| ianweller
| hehe hopefully before january ;)
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| ianweller
| i dunno.
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| quaid
| yeah, we can ask for an RHT hand-off
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| ianweller
| i really have no clue, and i'm hoping mchua_afk does ;)
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| quaid
| there is the business wire stuff
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| quaid
| and the press.redhat.com
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| ianweller
| and/or coordinate it
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| Sparks
| cool.
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| quaid
| yeah, she does; there is likely an SOP on it somewhere
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| Sparks
| #action ianweller to coordinate with mchua_afk on the press release
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
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| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
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| Sparks
| Going back to this topic because I'm excited by some of radsy's work
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| Sparks
| radsy: Tell us about your new projects
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| Sparks
| please
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| radsy
| ok
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| radsy
| I've been silently working on a wireless guide: http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/Wireless_Guide/en-US/html-single/
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| radsy
| mainly a high-level overview of 802.11 stuff, but other mobile tech (ev-do, hsdpa etc.) will end up in there
| 00:57
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| radsy
| started as a side project really but has gained a bit of attention here, which could lead me to doing desktop/network docs, especially emerging desktop tech
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| radsy
| but we're still in talks to find out priorities/agendas, etc.
| 00:58
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| radsy
| that's all
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| Sparks
| I've read the WG and it's cool.
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| radsy: Is the guide hosted on fhosted.o?
| 00:59
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| radsy
| Sparks, not as yet
| 00:59
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| Sparks
| radsy: Okay. Do you need a BZ component for handling tickets?
| 00:59
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| radsy
| once i'm a bit happier with it, yes I will
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| Sparks
| radsy: Okay, just let me know and we'll get you setup.
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| radsy
| no rush straight away however
| 01:00
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| radsy
| ok
| 01:00
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| Sparks
| Anyone have any questions?
| 01:00
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| Sparks
| Okay, thanks radsy!
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| Sparks
| #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
| 01:01
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| Sparks
| #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW
| 01:01
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| Sparks
| There are currently 9 new bugs that have not been assigned.
| 01:01
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| Sparks
| Please visit the link above and see if you can handle one (or more) of these tickets, please.
| 01:02
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| Sparks
| #topic All other business
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| Sparks
| Okay, does anyone have anything else?
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| Sparks
| Anyone?
| 01:03
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| Sparks
| Anything?
| 01:03
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| Sparks
| Okay, then we'll go ahead and close down tonight.
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| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
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| Sparks
| Keep up the excellent work!
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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