| =-= herlo has changed the topic to ``Marketing Meeting
| 20:02
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| * spevack is like the Meeting Terminator today
| 20:02
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| moixs
| hehe :)
| 20:03
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| spevack
| charging from one to another and leaving destruction in my wake
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| themayor
| lol
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| themayor
| how many are here so far
| 20:04
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| biertie
| biertie here!
| 20:04
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| moixs
| Rolling call?
| 20:04
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| biertie
| .fas biertie
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| zodbot
| biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
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| themayor
| yeah roll call i guess
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| moixs
| Steven Moix
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| themayor
| lets make it quick i dont want to fall behind
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| mizmo-out
| hi
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| =-= mizmo-out is now known as mizmo
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| fugolini
| FrancescoUgolini
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| * themayor waves to mizmo
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| mizmo
| Máirín Duffy
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| mizmo
| yo themayor
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| themayor
| lcafeiro is on his way to scale i know that
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| spevack
| Max
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| spevack
| still trying to extract himself from #fedora-ambassadors meeting
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| themayor
| np
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| themayor
| alright, moixs youre recording, right?
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| moixs
| This time, yes :)
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| themayor
| okay thanks for that
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| themayor
| did you see the not about the irclog2html thing?
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| themayor
| should make your life alot easier
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| moixs
| Yes, I already experimented with it
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| themayor
| okay great
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| moixs
| should be up 1 minute after the meeting ;) So spevack should be happy
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| themayor
| anyway, lets move on to bigger and better things then
| 20:10
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| * spevack is willing to give you 10 minutes :)
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| themayor
| lol
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| spevack
| ping?
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| themayor
| yeah
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| themayor
| i was looking something up in email
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| themayor
| alright
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| themayor
| so im glad that people were receptive to the new idea
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| themayor
| so we gonna start working from that starting from this meeting
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| themayor
| i kind of sucks that ianweller and jonrob cant make it to the meetings anymore
| 20:13
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| fugolini
| can we have a new meeting time?
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| fugolini
| (to have them here)
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| themayor
| if thats what everyone wants and it will get more people here, then sure, im not opposed
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| spevack
| well, let's do what we can today, without them. is there anything on our agenda that doesn't involve ian or jonrob?
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| herlo
| a couple hours later in the day would probably all that needs to happen...
| 20:15
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| themayor
| yeah, yes, i was about to say, lets not discuss it right now, but do it on the list
| 20:15
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| moixs
| a couple of hours later is in the middle of the night in europe :p
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| biertie
| a couple hours = like...? :p
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| themayor
| it might need to be earlier actually
| 20:15
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| * herlo agrees with spevack, however
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| biertie
| I can come till 21 or 22h utc :)
| 20:15
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| moixs
| Let's ask this on the mailinglist
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| herlo
| this can be discussed on the ml
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| fugolini
| +1
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| themayor
| okay, can someone be the wrangler for this stuff and try and coordinate between everyone?
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| themayor
| and then report back to us next week?
| 20:16
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| moixs
| I'll do it
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| themayor
| or send an official mail to the list regarding what should be done
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| themayor
| moixs: thanks again man
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| themayor
| ideally if we are going to change times, we should have it done by next week already
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| themayor
| agreed?
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| spevack
| yes
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| biertie
| agreed :)
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| themayor
| okay good
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| themayor
| now moving on, moixs thanks for your post to the list about action items that should be on the calendar
| 20:18
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| themayor
| did everyone see that?
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| * biertie did
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| moixs
| I think that this should be put on the wiki so everyone can add ideas in the subtasks
| 20:18
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| themayor
| yes agreed
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| themayor
| i was going to ask you if you thought you had time to do so
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| themayor
| so the schedule from now on is going to be on Marketing/Schedule/Current
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| themayor
| and thats going to be a link to Marketing/Schedule/Fedora 11 Marketing Schedule
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| spevack
| themayor: you mean Current_marketing_schedule to keep our wiki overlords happy :)
| 20:20
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| spevack
| and Category:Marketing
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| themayor
| yeah whatever
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| themayor
| im bad with that stuff, i need to work with pfrields or kwade to get that stuff in order
| 20:21
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| spevack
| Well, we start by making any new pages in the proper fashion
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| themayor
| but conceptually, we are on the same page
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| spevack
| yes, please continue
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| themayor
| spevack: yes, thats what i meant
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| moixs
| themayor: ok, I'll manage that tomorrow too
| 20:22
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| themayor
| i dont even know if i did the current schedule page correctly
| 20:22
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| themayor
| because i used Template:Marketing/Schedule/Template and I think thats not good right?
| 20:22
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| spevack
| Content is more important than presentation, IMHO. Throw it up on the right page (Current_marketing_schedule) and then clean it up
| 20:23
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| themayor
| either way from last week's meeting everyone was supposed to send me tasks that thought should be on there and no one did yet, except for moixs
| 20:23
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| themayor
| okay so can we discuss then the range of things which we need to do for each release and then carry that over into specifically f11?
| 20:24
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| spevack
| themayor: I thought the tasks that were on JonRob's schedule page were quite complete
| 20:24
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| spevack
| themayor: +1
| 20:24
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| themayor
| the stuff thats on there is for now, yes
| 20:25
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| themayor
| except there are 1-2 things that need to be added
| 20:25
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| themayor
| but anyway, working with what we have
| 20:25
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| themayor
| lay press contacts, that list will be up at the meeting next week
| 20:25
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| themayor
| i have a list here of people we usually talk to and people we might want to speak to
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| spevack
| themayor: who's in charge of the lay press contacts?
| 20:26
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| themayor
| due date is 03-03 so i figure if we have it by next week, its enough time for people to look it over and tell me what they think and if we are missing anone
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| themayor
| me
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| spevack
| ok. :)
| 20:26
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| themayor
| of contacting them or making the list?
| 20:26
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| * herlo makes a suggestion about the wiki
| 20:26
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| spevack
| making the list
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| spevack
| herlo: suggest away
| 20:26
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| themayor
| im responsible for the initial list and i guess we will work with it from there
| 20:26
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| themayor
| herlo: go
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| herlo
| as you go to pages that have this/that/theother just do a move to the appropriate name this_that_theother
| 20:27
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| herlo
| that's what I do
| 20:27
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| spevack
| herlo: clever man
| 20:27
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| herlo
| it will make moving things around a lot easier
| 20:27
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| herlo
| and everyone can help
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| fugolini
| sure
| 20:27
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| herlo
| if you don't know what to change it to, ask the WikiCzar :)
| 20:27
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| themayor
| we need to make a session where we can meet up and have ian here and work on that stuff
| 20:27
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| moixs
| herlo: so the wiki structure is basically completely "flat" now?
| 20:28
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| herlo
| moixs: yep
| 20:28
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| herlo
| basically
| 20:28
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| moixs
| ahha
| 20:28
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| herlo
| the trick is to also add categories
| 20:28
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| themayor
| if we focus on it for an hour once or twice between now and say 2 weeks from now, we could accomplish quite alot
| 20:28
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| herlo
| like at the bottom of the pages making them relevant and they'll show up in the category pages
| 20:28
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| herlo
| that's how mediawiki categorizes things
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| themayor
| ill kickstart that discussion on the list right now actually
| 20:29
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| moixs
| herlo: yep, I've seen that, thanks
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| herlo
| np, good luck all
| 20:29
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| moixs
| themayor: include a discussion about pages we could delete
| 20:29
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| herlo
| feel free to hit me up with q's too
| 20:29
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| themayor
| herlo: would you want to help lead one of those session then maybe?
| 20:29
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| herlo
| moixs: deleting pages is a whole other discussion
| 20:29
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| herlo
| themayor: sure
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| moixs
| herlo: may I ask why?
| 20:30
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| themayor
| okay awesome, thanks, just reply to the thread and we will figure out the logsitics together i guess
| 20:30
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| herlo
| moixs: in #fedora-mktg, I'll explain so we don't detract
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| themayor
| okay great
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| themayor
| anyway, now, so we have tasks for f11 set more or less, we will add things to it, im sure, so i want to talk generally now
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| themayor
| lets walk through a release cycle and try and enumerate what we need to do, just to get an inital list
| 20:32
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| themayor
| sound good?
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| fugolini
| yes
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| spevack
| go for it
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| herlo
| +1
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| themayor
| okay so one thing i was having kind of a struggle with was this
| 20:33
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| themayor
| lets start at 6 weeks prior to an alpha
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| moixs
| themayor: let me put my list quickly on the wiki so we can update it in real time
| 20:33
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| themayor
| okay sure
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| moixs
| it will be more efficient than doing it afterwards
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| spevack
| themayor: is 6 weeks prior to alpha basically the previous release?
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| themayor
| its a little after isnt it?
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| themayor
| the alpha doesnt come out 6 weeks after GA
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| moixs
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule/Template
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| themayor
| unless im misunderstanding what you are asking
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| spevack
| themayor: you understand me
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| moixs
| here you go, can you update it during the meeting?
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| spevack
| carry on, sorry
| 20:35
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| themayor
| yeah one second the page is taking a while to refresh maybe a cache flush
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| spevack
| moixs: pretty good list, there
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| spevack
| what does " * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have " mean?
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| themayor
| he means have it update for this release
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| themayor
| meaning if there is stale info on it or someone we dont want to deal with
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| moixs
| spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork
| 20:37
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| moixs
| yes, to avoid te ambassador effect :)
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| moixs
| I think it would be a good idea to ask people at every cycle if they still want the job
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| moixs
| 2-3 people per language, not hard to manage
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| spevack
| ok, makes sense. I think we need a checkpoint other than "FUDCon" though, since there is not always guaranteed to be a FUDCon at the right time in the release cycle
| 20:38
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| themayor
| yeah thats why i said 6 weeks prior to alpha
| 20:39
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| spevack
| all the checkpoints should be at a certain date, X weeks/days before the release date
| 20:39
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| spevack
| themayor: yeah
| 20:39
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| * spevack updates the page
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| moixs
| Ok, change it to "Alpha -6 weeks" or something like that
| 20:39
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| themayor
| i like t-minus X weeks to alpha, beta, etc
| 20:39
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| spevack
| done
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| themayor
| alpha-6
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| moixs
| So, what do you see us doing in this period?
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| themayor
| okay also one VERY important thing
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| themayor
| talking points
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| themayor
| and have the first of the two meetings between us, fam, docs and art
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| themayor
| actually, mizmo, when do you start developing themes for a new release?
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| mizmo
| themayor, we already started
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| mizmo
| themayor, we'll have a wallpaper in the beta
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| mizmo
| (a rough cut i might add)
| 20:42
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| mizmo
| (very rough)
| 20:42
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| themayor
| no i know, but im saying in the future, in general how many weeks before
| 20:42
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| mizmo
| it's changed every release. generally we've been pushing further and further back so we are as early as we can
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| mizmo
| be
| 20:43
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| * herlo thinks those points in time should be defined as 'Milestones' of their own maybe?
| 20:43
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| herlo
| and can be defined against alpha beta or GA?
| 20:43
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| themayor
| yes
| 20:44
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| themayor
| this is why we need to have those types of meetings
| 20:44
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| herlo
| that way, they can move a little...
| 20:44
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| themayor
| to iron out policy and process to coordinate
| 20:44
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| herlo
| right
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| mizmo
| poelcat does have that all defined in his f11 schedule
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| themayor
| right we are trying to set up the same thing for marketing, as a general template for every release
| 20:45
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| themayor
| mizmo: for f12 is 6 weeks before alpha too late to sit down and talk about the artwork for you guys?
| 20:46
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| mizmo
| themayor, not if we have a release name by then
| 20:47
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| mizmo
| we did not for the f11 alpha -6 weeks
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| mizmo
| iirc
| 20:47
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| themayor
| ah ha, good point, art would naturally be tied to release name somewhow
| 20:48
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| moixs
| Ah yes, the release name is an important trigger too..do we have an idea when this comes?
| 20:48
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| themayor
| how long before alpha is name voting done? spevack do you know?
| 20:48
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| spevack
| themayor: let me look back at F11 and i'll tell you in a few mins
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| fugolini
| ping
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| * herlo thinks we call that a Milestone: Official Codename Announced
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| mizmo
| themayor, you'll probably want to look at poelcat's schedule, he has all these milestones on it
| 20:49
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| spevack
| themayor: voting began on Jan 5
| 20:49
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| spevack
| so about 1 month before alpha
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| themayor
| i did i dont remember seeing that
| 20:50
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| themayor
| let me look again
| 20:50
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| mizmo
| it should be, he had it out at fudcon boston not long ago
| 20:50
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| mizmo
| and i remember that being on there
| 20:50
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| themayor
| i was going to sit with poelstra regardless on our template schedule to make sure everything looks kosher to him
| 20:50
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| moixs
| I have this in the news archive page :p
| 20:50
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| spevack
| themayor: good idea
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| themayor
| mizmo: no im not denying youre right, im just blaming my bad memory and over-involvedness
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| moixs
| 12.01
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| herlo
| http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/
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| mizmo
| its all good :)
| 20:51
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| moixs
| And the alpha was released on 06.02
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| herlo
| does that help?
| 20:51
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| themayor
| either way, that fits in the alpha minus 6 timeframe, so in a word, yes, its good to have that meeting then
| 20:51
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| themayor
| its perfect, right before we have the name, art should be gearing up, ambassadors are doing what they do and docs is working on retooling things for the next release
| 20:52
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| mizmo
| well we need an extra two weeks
| 20:53
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| mizmo
| the voting began on jan 5
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| mizmo
| the name was decided when?
| 20:53
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| herlo
| at fudcon
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| moixs
| 12.01
| 20:53
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| moixs
| or 01.12 in US notation
| 20:53
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| herlo
| ty
| 20:53
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| * herlo was gettign so confused :)
| 20:53
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| mizmo
| so the art team gets 2 weeks to figure out what to visually represent?
| 20:53
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| * mizmo doesnt remember what it was for f11
| 20:54
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| mizmo
| i think it was feb 2
| 20:54
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| mizmo
| so we did get 2 weeks
| 20:54
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| mizmo
| i mean, 6 weeks before the alpha, the first 4 weeks the art team is not going to know what they are doing for the artwork
| 20:54
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| mizmo
| and you were interested in 6 weeks before
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| themayor
| mizmo: you dont have to have decision or anything by then
| 20:55
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| =-= willygarcia_ is now known as willy_willbeback
| 20:55
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| themayor
| its just like a pre-milestone metting to get coordinated between each other
| 20:55
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| themayor
| and to make sure if you need marketing to help with anything, that we are doing ti
| 20:55
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| themayor
| adn will be able to have it on schedule assigned to someone
| 20:56
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| spevack
| themayor: may I offer a suggestion?
| 20:56
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| mizmo
| themayor, ohhh okay
| 20:56
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| mizmo
| themayor, makes sense
| 20:56
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| themayor
| spevack: yes
| 20:56
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| spevack
| one of the things that we need to recognize here is that especially in the context of a release, and the schedule of tasks around a release
| 20:57
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| spevack
| there is a lot of coordination needed between marketing, websites, and artwork, in all directions.
| 20:57
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| spevack
| I think that it would be wise to have a checkpoint before Alpha, Beta, RC, Final for those three groups to all get on the same page
| 20:57
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| spevack
| thoughts from anyone?
| 20:57
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| moixs
| Add this task to the list then, a joint meeting to see if no group lags behind
| 20:58
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| fugolini
| nothing from my side, at list for this point
| 20:58
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| herlo
| +1 spevack
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| themayor
| thats why i proposed two meetings
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| themayor
| one before alpha and one between beta and GA
| 20:59
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| themayor
| but if we want to we can add another
| 20:59
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| themayor
| spevack: thoughts?
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| * mmcgrath coughs
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| mmcgrath
| you guys almost ready or should we move to #fedora-admin?
| 21:00
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| spevack
| ah, sorry mike
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| spevack
| we'll move to #fedora-mktg
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| spevack
| themayor: sounds good, btw
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| fugolini
| ok
| 21:00
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| themayor
| yeah will that mess up the log, btw?
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| mmcgrath
| no worries
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| spevack
| themayor: i'll work with moixs to make sure it all works out
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| spevack
| EVERYONE, TO #FEDORA-MKTG
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| moixs
| Started to log this channel too ;)
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| themayor
| you the man
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| moixs
| Ok, do any of you have other bright ideas to put in the milestones?
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| spevack
| moixs: not right now, I need to think it over a bit with more of a clear head
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| fugolini
| sounds good. Maybe something from Release Events
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| fugolini
| but I don't want to overweight the milestones
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| fugolini
| ""
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| moixs
| What we should look at is the current position in the cycle
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| moixs
| We should assign ourselves to SIGs and features
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| fugolini
| ah ok
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| moixs
| Do you also think that a couple of days thinking on the mailinglist would be god?
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| themayor
| yeah but we need to make sure this happens on the list
| 21:07
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| fugolini
| maybe just push it and, let people the possibility to add something
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| themayor
| because every week we say that and im sure we all have good intentions but i feel like alot of us get hyped up at the meeting and then get too involved in other things later
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| moixs
| themayor: this is directly rlated to the thread you started today, do you want to continue it there or start a new one?
| 21:09
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| themayor
| fell free to start a new one
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| moixs
| ok ,I add it to my list
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| moixs
| Do you see other things to talk about?
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| fugolini
| no
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| themayor
| moixs: in what context, now for the meeting?
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| moixs
| yes :)
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| moixs
| So if we set the goal to rename pages on the wiki ans complete the schedule until next week, does it seem realistic?
| 21:13
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| moixs
| s/ans/and/
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| fugolini
| From a outer POV i could say to try, but I'm not direct involved so, maybe the people involved could be more interested than me :)
| 21:14
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| themayor
| yes, i dont think anything will ever be set in stone
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| themayor
| but i think we have a good shot
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| themayor
| i think for the most part if i add stuff to the schedule, its done and then we need to port it to f11
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| moixs
| yes
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| themayor
| and take whats on jonrobs page to there
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| moixs
| exactly :)
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| moixs
| I guess the meeting is over? :)
| 21:16
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| themayor
| i guess so
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| fugolini
| so, if it so. Bye
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| themayor
| i was about to say, are we adjourned?
| 21:17
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| moixs
| yep, have a good night :)
| 21:17
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| fugolini
| you too
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| themayor
| thank you guys very muchj
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