| =-= herlo has changed the topic to ``Marketing Meeting
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| * spevack is like the Meeting Terminator today
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20:02
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| moixs
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hehe :)
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20:03
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| spevack
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charging from one to another and leaving destruction in my wake
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| themayor
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lol
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20:04
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| themayor
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how many are here so far
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| biertie
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biertie here!
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| moixs
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Rolling call?
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| biertie
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.fas biertie
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| zodbot
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biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
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| themayor
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yeah roll call i guess
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| moixs
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Steven Moix
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| themayor
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lets make it quick i dont want to fall behind
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| mizmo-out
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hi
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| fugolini
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FrancescoUgolini
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20:06
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| * themayor waves to mizmo
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| mizmo
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Máirín Duffy
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| mizmo
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yo themayor
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20:06
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| themayor
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lcafeiro is on his way to scale i know that
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| spevack
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Max
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| spevack
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still trying to extract himself from #fedora-ambassadors meeting
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| themayor
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np
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20:08
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| themayor
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alright, moixs youre recording, right?
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| moixs
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This time, yes :)
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| themayor
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okay thanks for that
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| themayor
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did you see the not about the irclog2html thing?
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20:09
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| themayor
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should make your life alot easier
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20:09
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| moixs
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Yes, I already experimented with it
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| themayor
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okay great
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| moixs
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should be up 1 minute after the meeting ;) So spevack should be happy
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| themayor
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anyway, lets move on to bigger and better things then
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20:10
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| * spevack is willing to give you 10 minutes :)
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| themayor
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lol
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| spevack
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ping?
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20:11
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| themayor
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yeah
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20:12
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| themayor
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i was looking something up in email
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20:12
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| themayor
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alright
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20:12
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| themayor
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so im glad that people were receptive to the new idea
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| themayor
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so we gonna start working from that starting from this meeting
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| themayor
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i kind of sucks that ianweller and jonrob cant make it to the meetings anymore
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20:13
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| fugolini
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can we have a new meeting time?
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| fugolini
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(to have them here)
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| themayor
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if thats what everyone wants and it will get more people here, then sure, im not opposed
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| spevack
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well, let's do what we can today, without them. is there anything on our agenda that doesn't involve ian or jonrob?
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20:14
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| herlo
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a couple hours later in the day would probably all that needs to happen...
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20:15
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| themayor
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yeah, yes, i was about to say, lets not discuss it right now, but do it on the list
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| moixs
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a couple of hours later is in the middle of the night in europe :p
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| biertie
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a couple hours = like...? :p
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| themayor
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it might need to be earlier actually
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20:15
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| * herlo agrees with spevack, however
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| biertie
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I can come till 21 or 22h utc :)
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20:15
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| moixs
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Let's ask this on the mailinglist
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| herlo
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this can be discussed on the ml
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| fugolini
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+1
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| themayor
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okay, can someone be the wrangler for this stuff and try and coordinate between everyone?
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| themayor
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and then report back to us next week?
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| moixs
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I'll do it
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20:16
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| themayor
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or send an official mail to the list regarding what should be done
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20:16
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| themayor
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moixs: thanks again man
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20:16
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| themayor
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ideally if we are going to change times, we should have it done by next week already
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| themayor
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agreed?
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| spevack
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yes
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| biertie
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agreed :)
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20:17
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| themayor
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okay good
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20:17
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| themayor
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now moving on, moixs thanks for your post to the list about action items that should be on the calendar
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20:18
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| themayor
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did everyone see that?
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20:18
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| * biertie did
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| moixs
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I think that this should be put on the wiki so everyone can add ideas in the subtasks
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20:18
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| themayor
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yes agreed
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| themayor
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i was going to ask you if you thought you had time to do so
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| themayor
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so the schedule from now on is going to be on Marketing/Schedule/Current
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| themayor
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and thats going to be a link to Marketing/Schedule/Fedora 11 Marketing Schedule
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| spevack
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themayor: you mean Current_marketing_schedule to keep our wiki overlords happy :)
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| spevack
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and Category:Marketing
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| themayor
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yeah whatever
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| themayor
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im bad with that stuff, i need to work with pfrields or kwade to get that stuff in order
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| spevack
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Well, we start by making any new pages in the proper fashion
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| themayor
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but conceptually, we are on the same page
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| spevack
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yes, please continue
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| themayor
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spevack: yes, thats what i meant
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| moixs
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themayor: ok, I'll manage that tomorrow too
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| themayor
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i dont even know if i did the current schedule page correctly
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| themayor
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because i used Template:Marketing/Schedule/Template and I think thats not good right?
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20:22
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| spevack
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Content is more important than presentation, IMHO. Throw it up on the right page (Current_marketing_schedule) and then clean it up
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20:23
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| themayor
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either way from last week's meeting everyone was supposed to send me tasks that thought should be on there and no one did yet, except for moixs
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20:23
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| themayor
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okay so can we discuss then the range of things which we need to do for each release and then carry that over into specifically f11?
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| spevack
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themayor: I thought the tasks that were on JonRob's schedule page were quite complete
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| spevack
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themayor: +1
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| themayor
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the stuff thats on there is for now, yes
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20:25
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| themayor
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except there are 1-2 things that need to be added
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20:25
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| themayor
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but anyway, working with what we have
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| themayor
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lay press contacts, that list will be up at the meeting next week
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| themayor
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i have a list here of people we usually talk to and people we might want to speak to
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| spevack
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themayor: who's in charge of the lay press contacts?
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| themayor
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due date is 03-03 so i figure if we have it by next week, its enough time for people to look it over and tell me what they think and if we are missing anone
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20:26
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| themayor
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me
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| spevack
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ok. :)
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| themayor
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of contacting them or making the list?
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20:26
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| * herlo makes a suggestion about the wiki
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20:26
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| spevack
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making the list
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20:26
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| spevack
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herlo: suggest away
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20:26
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| themayor
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im responsible for the initial list and i guess we will work with it from there
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| themayor
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herlo: go
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| herlo
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as you go to pages that have this/that/theother just do a move to the appropriate name this_that_theother
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| herlo
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that's what I do
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20:27
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| spevack
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herlo: clever man
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20:27
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| herlo
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it will make moving things around a lot easier
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| herlo
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and everyone can help
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| fugolini
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sure
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20:27
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| herlo
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if you don't know what to change it to, ask the WikiCzar :)
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20:27
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| themayor
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we need to make a session where we can meet up and have ian here and work on that stuff
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| moixs
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herlo: so the wiki structure is basically completely "flat" now?
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20:28
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| herlo
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moixs: yep
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| herlo
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basically
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| moixs
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ahha
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| herlo
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the trick is to also add categories
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| themayor
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if we focus on it for an hour once or twice between now and say 2 weeks from now, we could accomplish quite alot
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20:28
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| herlo
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like at the bottom of the pages making them relevant and they'll show up in the category pages
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20:28
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| herlo
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that's how mediawiki categorizes things
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20:29
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| themayor
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ill kickstart that discussion on the list right now actually
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| moixs
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herlo: yep, I've seen that, thanks
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| herlo
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np, good luck all
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| moixs
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themayor: include a discussion about pages we could delete
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20:29
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| herlo
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feel free to hit me up with q's too
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20:29
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| themayor
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herlo: would you want to help lead one of those session then maybe?
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| herlo
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moixs: deleting pages is a whole other discussion
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20:29
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| herlo
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themayor: sure
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| moixs
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herlo: may I ask why?
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| themayor
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okay awesome, thanks, just reply to the thread and we will figure out the logsitics together i guess
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| herlo
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moixs: in #fedora-mktg, I'll explain so we don't detract
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| themayor
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okay great
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| themayor
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anyway, now, so we have tasks for f11 set more or less, we will add things to it, im sure, so i want to talk generally now
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| themayor
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lets walk through a release cycle and try and enumerate what we need to do, just to get an inital list
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20:32
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| themayor
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sound good?
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| fugolini
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yes
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| spevack
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go for it
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| herlo
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+1
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20:33
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| themayor
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okay so one thing i was having kind of a struggle with was this
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20:33
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| themayor
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lets start at 6 weeks prior to an alpha
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| moixs
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themayor: let me put my list quickly on the wiki so we can update it in real time
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20:33
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| themayor
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okay sure
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| moixs
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it will be more efficient than doing it afterwards
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| spevack
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themayor: is 6 weeks prior to alpha basically the previous release?
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| themayor
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its a little after isnt it?
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| themayor
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the alpha doesnt come out 6 weeks after GA
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| moixs
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule/Template
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| themayor
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unless im misunderstanding what you are asking
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20:35
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| spevack
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themayor: you understand me
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20:35
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| moixs
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here you go, can you update it during the meeting?
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20:35
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| spevack
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carry on, sorry
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| themayor
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yeah one second the page is taking a while to refresh maybe a cache flush
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20:36
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| spevack
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moixs: pretty good list, there
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20:36
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| spevack
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what does " * Renew the news distribution network people list to always have " mean?
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20:36
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| themayor
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he means have it update for this release
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20:36
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| themayor
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meaning if there is stale info on it or someone we dont want to deal with
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| moixs
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spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/NewsDistributionNetwork
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20:37
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| moixs
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yes, to avoid te ambassador effect :)
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20:37
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| moixs
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I think it would be a good idea to ask people at every cycle if they still want the job
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20:37
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| moixs
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2-3 people per language, not hard to manage
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| spevack
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ok, makes sense. I think we need a checkpoint other than "FUDCon" though, since there is not always guaranteed to be a FUDCon at the right time in the release cycle
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20:38
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| themayor
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yeah thats why i said 6 weeks prior to alpha
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20:39
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| spevack
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all the checkpoints should be at a certain date, X weeks/days before the release date
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20:39
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| spevack
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themayor: yeah
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20:39
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| * spevack updates the page
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| moixs
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Ok, change it to "Alpha -6 weeks" or something like that
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20:39
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| themayor
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i like t-minus X weeks to alpha, beta, etc
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| spevack
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done
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20:39
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| themayor
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alpha-6
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| moixs
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So, what do you see us doing in this period?
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20:40
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| themayor
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okay also one VERY important thing
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| themayor
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talking points
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| themayor
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and have the first of the two meetings between us, fam, docs and art
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20:41
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| themayor
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actually, mizmo, when do you start developing themes for a new release?
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| mizmo
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themayor, we already started
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| mizmo
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themayor, we'll have a wallpaper in the beta
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20:42
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| mizmo
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(a rough cut i might add)
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| mizmo
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(very rough)
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| themayor
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no i know, but im saying in the future, in general how many weeks before
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| mizmo
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it's changed every release. generally we've been pushing further and further back so we are as early as we can
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| mizmo
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be
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20:43
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| * herlo thinks those points in time should be defined as 'Milestones' of their own maybe?
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20:43
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| herlo
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and can be defined against alpha beta or GA?
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20:43
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| themayor
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yes
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20:44
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| themayor
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this is why we need to have those types of meetings
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20:44
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| herlo
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that way, they can move a little...
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20:44
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| themayor
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to iron out policy and process to coordinate
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20:44
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| herlo
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right
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| mizmo
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poelcat does have that all defined in his f11 schedule
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20:45
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| themayor
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right we are trying to set up the same thing for marketing, as a general template for every release
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20:45
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| themayor
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mizmo: for f12 is 6 weeks before alpha too late to sit down and talk about the artwork for you guys?
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20:46
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| mizmo
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themayor, not if we have a release name by then
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20:47
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| mizmo
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we did not for the f11 alpha -6 weeks
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| mizmo
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iirc
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| themayor
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ah ha, good point, art would naturally be tied to release name somewhow
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20:48
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| moixs
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Ah yes, the release name is an important trigger too..do we have an idea when this comes?
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20:48
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| themayor
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how long before alpha is name voting done? spevack do you know?
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20:48
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| spevack
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themayor: let me look back at F11 and i'll tell you in a few mins
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20:49
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| fugolini
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ping
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20:49
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| * herlo thinks we call that a Milestone: Official Codename Announced
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| mizmo
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themayor, you'll probably want to look at poelcat's schedule, he has all these milestones on it
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20:49
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| spevack
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themayor: voting began on Jan 5
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20:49
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| spevack
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so about 1 month before alpha
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20:50
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| themayor
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i did i dont remember seeing that
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20:50
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| themayor
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let me look again
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| mizmo
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it should be, he had it out at fudcon boston not long ago
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20:50
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| mizmo
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and i remember that being on there
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20:50
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| themayor
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i was going to sit with poelstra regardless on our template schedule to make sure everything looks kosher to him
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20:50
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| moixs
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I have this in the news archive page :p
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20:50
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| spevack
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themayor: good idea
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20:51
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| themayor
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mizmo: no im not denying youre right, im just blaming my bad memory and over-involvedness
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20:51
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| moixs
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12.01
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20:51
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| herlo
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http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/
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20:51
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| mizmo
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its all good :)
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20:51
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| moixs
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And the alpha was released on 06.02
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20:51
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| herlo
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does that help?
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20:51
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| themayor
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either way, that fits in the alpha minus 6 timeframe, so in a word, yes, its good to have that meeting then
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20:51
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| themayor
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its perfect, right before we have the name, art should be gearing up, ambassadors are doing what they do and docs is working on retooling things for the next release
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20:52
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| mizmo
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well we need an extra two weeks
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20:53
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| mizmo
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the voting began on jan 5
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20:53
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| mizmo
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the name was decided when?
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20:53
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| herlo
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at fudcon
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20:53
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| moixs
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12.01
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20:53
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| moixs
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or 01.12 in US notation
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20:53
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| herlo
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ty
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20:53
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| * herlo was gettign so confused :)
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20:53
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| mizmo
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so the art team gets 2 weeks to figure out what to visually represent?
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20:53
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| * mizmo doesnt remember what it was for f11
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20:54
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| mizmo
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i think it was feb 2
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20:54
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| mizmo
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so we did get 2 weeks
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20:54
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| mizmo
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i mean, 6 weeks before the alpha, the first 4 weeks the art team is not going to know what they are doing for the artwork
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20:54
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| mizmo
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and you were interested in 6 weeks before
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20:54
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| themayor
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mizmo: you dont have to have decision or anything by then
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20:55
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| =-= willygarcia_ is now known as willy_willbeback
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20:55
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| themayor
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its just like a pre-milestone metting to get coordinated between each other
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| themayor
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and to make sure if you need marketing to help with anything, that we are doing ti
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20:55
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| themayor
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adn will be able to have it on schedule assigned to someone
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20:56
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| spevack
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themayor: may I offer a suggestion?
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| mizmo
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themayor, ohhh okay
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20:56
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| mizmo
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themayor, makes sense
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| themayor
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spevack: yes
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20:56
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| spevack
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one of the things that we need to recognize here is that especially in the context of a release, and the schedule of tasks around a release
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20:57
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| spevack
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there is a lot of coordination needed between marketing, websites, and artwork, in all directions.
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20:57
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| spevack
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I think that it would be wise to have a checkpoint before Alpha, Beta, RC, Final for those three groups to all get on the same page
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| spevack
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thoughts from anyone?
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| moixs
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Add this task to the list then, a joint meeting to see if no group lags behind
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| fugolini
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nothing from my side, at list for this point
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| herlo
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+1 spevack
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| themayor
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thats why i proposed two meetings
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| themayor
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one before alpha and one between beta and GA
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20:59
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| themayor
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but if we want to we can add another
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| themayor
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spevack: thoughts?
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20:59
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| * mmcgrath coughs
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| mmcgrath
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you guys almost ready or should we move to #fedora-admin?
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| spevack
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ah, sorry mike
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| spevack
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we'll move to #fedora-mktg
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| spevack
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themayor: sounds good, btw
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| fugolini
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ok
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| themayor
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yeah will that mess up the log, btw?
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| mmcgrath
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no worries
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| spevack
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themayor: i'll work with moixs to make sure it all works out
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| spevack
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EVERYONE, TO #FEDORA-MKTG
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| moixs
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Started to log this channel too ;)
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| themayor
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you the man
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| moixs
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Ok, do any of you have other bright ideas to put in the milestones?
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21:05
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| spevack
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moixs: not right now, I need to think it over a bit with more of a clear head
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| fugolini
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sounds good. Maybe something from Release Events
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| fugolini
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but I don't want to overweight the milestones
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| fugolini
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""
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| moixs
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What we should look at is the current position in the cycle
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| moixs
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We should assign ourselves to SIGs and features
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21:06
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| fugolini
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ah ok
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21:07
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| moixs
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Do you also think that a couple of days thinking on the mailinglist would be god?
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21:07
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| themayor
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yeah but we need to make sure this happens on the list
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21:07
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| fugolini
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maybe just push it and, let people the possibility to add something
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21:08
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| themayor
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because every week we say that and im sure we all have good intentions but i feel like alot of us get hyped up at the meeting and then get too involved in other things later
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| moixs
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themayor: this is directly rlated to the thread you started today, do you want to continue it there or start a new one?
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21:09
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| themayor
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fell free to start a new one
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| moixs
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ok ,I add it to my list
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| moixs
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Do you see other things to talk about?
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21:11
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| fugolini
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no
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| themayor
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moixs: in what context, now for the meeting?
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| moixs
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yes :)
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| moixs
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So if we set the goal to rename pages on the wiki ans complete the schedule until next week, does it seem realistic?
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21:13
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| moixs
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s/ans/and/
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21:13
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| fugolini
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From a outer POV i could say to try, but I'm not direct involved so, maybe the people involved could be more interested than me :)
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21:14
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| themayor
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yes, i dont think anything will ever be set in stone
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| themayor
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but i think we have a good shot
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| themayor
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i think for the most part if i add stuff to the schedule, its done and then we need to port it to f11
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21:15
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| moixs
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yes
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21:15
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| themayor
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and take whats on jonrobs page to there
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21:15
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| moixs
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exactly :)
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21:15
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| moixs
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I guess the meeting is over? :)
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21:16
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| themayor
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i guess so
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21:17
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| fugolini
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so, if it so. Bye
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21:17
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| themayor
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i was about to say, are we adjourned?
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21:17
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| moixs
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yep, have a good night :)
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21:17
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| fugolini
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you too
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| themayor
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thank you guys very muchj
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