| themayor
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hey anyone here for marketing meeting?
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| moixs
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bouh
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22:02
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| * lcafiero is here for marketing meeting
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| themayor
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im here
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22:02
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| * spevack is here, but in a bit more quiet role than the last few eeks
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| yanstadel
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im also there
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| spevack
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s/eeks/weeks
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| themayor
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hey yanstadel!!!
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| themayor
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welcome
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| moixs
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Hi yanstadel, welcome :)
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| e1luca1
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Hi, I'm an ambassador not in mk team so I'll be as quiet as I can
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| inode0
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ambassadors do not have quiet in their nature!
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| moixs
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:p
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| yanstadel
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thx, themayor and moixs
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| e1luca1
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so I manage to make a good joke :D
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| themayor
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e1luca1: its all good, feel free to join us
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| themayor
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okay anyway
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| themayor
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let us begin
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| moixs
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First point for me on the list, the release announcment
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| themayor
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yeah i wanted to bring that up
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| moixs
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As you have probably seen, I fucked it up :p
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| themayor
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well let me hear what you wanted to say first
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| themayor
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i actually fucked up a little too
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| moixs
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I wasn't aware that the docs team was already working on it
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22:06
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| moixs
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good news is, we wrote aproximatively the same ;)
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| themayor
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okay so last week we had a beta-ready meeting
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| themayor
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and we spoke about what stuff we need to work together on, etc
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| themayor
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docs mentioned at that meeting that they had an announcement ready already, or partially ready
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| moixs
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ok, I dind't read the log :/
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| themayor
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and i didnt send a summary to out list
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22:07
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| themayor
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my fault on that
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| moixs
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Do they plan on doing the same for all future release announcments?
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| themayor
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but i view this as a good thing because we also spoke about areas in which we need to collaborate in the future and the fact there was a crossed wire shows there is an opportunity to nail this next time
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| themayor
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moixs: for the most part yes, but we should work with them on it
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| themayor
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after all we ARE marketing
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| themayor
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and they arent against that
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| moixs
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ok, that's less work for me. I'll send this text to the NDN 2 days before the actual release.
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| spevack
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we've talked before about the need to coordinate these sorts of things across teams
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| themayor
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thats a couple more items we need to add to our schedule
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| themayor
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write the release announcement, or work on them, whatever the arrangement will be
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| themayor
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i am going to be talking to the docs guys again tomottoew
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| themayor
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tomorrow
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| moixs
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Who has the lead on this in the docs team btw?
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| themayor
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so i will mention this to them and see how we can get 50/50 on this
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| moixs
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One thing you can tell them, is not to use english-specific cultural references
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| themayor
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i think john did most of it
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| themayor
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and sparks too
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| themayor
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and i know susan did some of it
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| themayor
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it was sparks who was at that beta meeting btw
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| moixs
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Ok, when I send the text to the NDN I'll just mention to adapt it to local cultures. Sentences like "Is a better operating system than Fedora 10 even possible?" are not appreciated AT ALL from French people for example.
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| moixs
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btw, next point :p
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| spevack
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!
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| themayor
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yes
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| * stickster comes in late, sorry
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| spevack
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Sentences like "Is a better operating system than Fedora 10 even possible" shouldn't really be written in any language! :)
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| themayor
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lol
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| themayor
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agreed, well paul mentioned we want the slogan to be actionable
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| moixs
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In some cultures it's ok to say that, people get over it...not in France.
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| spevack
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Fedora 11: Be Metal
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| themayor
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ah we are talking about the announcement
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| stickster
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spevack: lol
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| themayor
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yeah, bad sentence
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| themayor
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anyway
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| themayor
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i will talk to them tomorrow about how we want to do this from now and report back to the list
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| themayor
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sound good?
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| moixs
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yep
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| themayor
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im going to siggest that we come up with the key points maybe, and then they can flesh it out
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| themayor
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because we will have a bunch of stuff by a beta release
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| themayor
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they can cull from that
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| themayor
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next topic
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| themayor
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the slogan
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| themayor
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let me just pull it up
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| moixs
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(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_release_slogan)
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| themayor
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yup
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| themayor
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anyone have any thoughts on that?
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| themayor
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stickster: ??
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| stickster
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I have plenty, but I thought we were just gathering ideas at this point.
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| themayor
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yes we were
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| stickster
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At what time are we going to declare an end to idea-gathering, and move on to critique and winnowing down the list?
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| themayor
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but i figured you might have some thoughts thus far
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| themayor
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well we should have it done by the time of the preview
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| themayor
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i would say give it a couple more weeks?
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| e1luca1
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don't art guys need some time in advance to fit the slogan ?
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| themayor
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the slogan is supposed to revolve around the art really
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| themayor
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or match up at least
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| moixs
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e1luca1: yes, but we still have 1 month or so
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| themayor
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the truth is
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| themayor
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i like come and get it
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| themayor
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its rough, and it fits
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| themayor
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although it doesnt really fit in with the keyowrds
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| moixs
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"Come get some" is a bit of the same, more catchy :p
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| themayor
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and i didnt like it at first
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| themayor
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yeah
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| yanstadel
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Is Leonidas bound to Leonidas the king or could it also be Leonidas the athletic?
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| stickster
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We try to match the slogan with some element of the artwork.
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| moixs
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yanstadel: it's bound to nothing, feel free to propose whatever you want
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| themayor
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and then we can speak to the four foundations as the "some" of what you are coming to get
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| themayor
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yes
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| e1luca1
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yanstadel: +1. we have mountains, philosophers, and a lot of 300 movie but nothing about Olympics
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| e1luca1
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like Win at Freedom Olympics
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| yanstadel
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just added another slogang
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| yanstadel
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-g
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| * stickster notes the artwork team will need enough notice to create any related banners, and the websites team will need notice to move the slogan *and* send it to Translation
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| yanstadel
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"keep on running"
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| themayor
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anyway, lets not get carried away
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| themayor
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lets set 2 weeks from now as the cutoff date
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| themayor
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sound good?
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| moixs
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1 week for ideas, one week for selection?
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| themayor
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no 2 weeks for ideas
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| themayor
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then another week for selection
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| moixs
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okay
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| e1luca1
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in 2 weeks we'll need another 8 to sort through ideas
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| themayor
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and we coordinate with art that 3rd week
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| themayor
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na i dont think so, because we will be talking about it on the list
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| * stickster notes that he retains veto power :-)
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| * spevack would like to propose the next topic for tonight's meeting, when this one is complete
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| spevack
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stickster: it's good to be king, eh?
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| themayor
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stickster: absolutely, you're involved in this process 100%
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| * stickster has one of the palace attendants peel him another grape
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| themayor
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okay so lets note that too, ill add it to the schedule
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| spevack
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stickster: shouldn't your kids be in school? /runs
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| themayor
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hahaha
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| themayor
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okay so spevack what dud you want to talk about?
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22:25
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| spevack
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one quick comment
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22:25
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| spevack
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and one question
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22:25
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| spevack
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comment first
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| themayor
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shoot
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| spevack
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Dimitris and Diego will be in Amsterdam with me for a week. I plan to do an audio interview with them about Transifex, Fedora localization, etc.
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| spevack
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where/when/how we use it, we can figure out later
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| spevack
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but it's an opportunity worth seizing
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| spevack
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| themayor
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tell me more....
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| moixs
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Yep, interviews are always very much appreciated on linux/tech news websites
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| spevack
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themayor: I don't know... just that I figured it would give us a chance to do something like the in-depth F11 feature, but focusing instead on a Fedora sub-project
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| * stickster comes back from talking to his daughter about homework and ironically sees spevack's comment :-D
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| spevack
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themayor: and maybe it can provide a template for doing profiles of different parts of Fedora
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| spevack
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and the people behind them
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| themayor
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spevack: yeah, i was going to ask if you wanted that to be something like an in-depth feature thing
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| themayor
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this actually leads into what yanstadel is here for
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22:28
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| themayor
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the face of fedora stuff
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| spevack
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well, then feel free to segue into that.
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| themayor
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but before that, spevack, yes its an excellent idea
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| yanstadel
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openSuSe has (or had?) a interview-series called people of opensuse
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| themayor
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i think we should be doing contributor profiles, like text profiles and put them up on planet
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| themayor
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and then the face of fedora video comes out of that
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22:29
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| * spevack remembers fondly his "lesser known fedora contributors" series
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| themayor
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yes
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| themayor
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that was good
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| yanstadel
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they had a list of interessting people, wehe everyone could add people of whom he wants to read a interview
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| yanstadel
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every month they picked up one and published a interview with him
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| stickster
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spevack: I did a few of those myself :-) Rasther just found his... from almost a year ago!
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| yanstadel
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and i think it would be a good idea to do something like that in the fedora project too
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22:30
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| yanstadel
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what do you think about it?
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| themayor
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yanstadel: i think its a great idea
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| themayor
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would you want to work together with me on a series like that
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| yanstadel
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yes, of course
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22:32
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| themayor
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we can do individuals, and then groups
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22:32
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| yanstadel
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yes
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22:32
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| themayor
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and we can grow from that into the face of fedora video
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| yanstadel
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yes, but i think this is going to be a very great step, from written interviews to video interviews
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| yanstadel
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for videos you need much more infrastructure and manpower
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| themayor
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na, i think we just need to figure out what we want people to put in their videos and have them self-submitted
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| e1luca1
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how about just still pictures. and, could you also include ambassadors in the interviews? I need some stories of ambassadors for a project there
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| yanstadel
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ok, this would be an idea
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| themayor
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sound good?
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| moixs
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I see one problem with videos
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| themayor
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for the videos, we've spoken about this before, basically last time we came to a conclusion, 3 minutes or less
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| themayor
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hello i am foo
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22:35
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| themayor
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this is what i do for fedora
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22:35
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| themayor
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this is why i am fedora
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| themayor
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thats it
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| moixs
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People are not all very confident to record themselves on video, particularly non-english people.
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| themayor
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and we can intersperse those with longer features which we decide upon doing
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| moixs
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For this reason, I's like to see both types of interviews
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22:36
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| moixs
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I'd like
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22:36
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| themayor
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okay so the campaign starts like this
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| themayor
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first text interviews
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22:37
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| themayor
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then we move up to groups
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22:37
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| themayor
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then from groups we go to videos
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22:37
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| themayor
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sound good?
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22:37
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| themayor
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and it will be an ongoing thing
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22:37
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| themayor
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from say beta until like a couple months after release
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| moixs
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sounds fine
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| yanstadel
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for me too
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| wonderer_
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!
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| * spevack is experiencing lag that makes him almost unable to participate in the meeting, just FYI
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| themayor
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yes wonderer_?
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| wonderer_
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some short notice. for FUDCon / Linuxtag I will go for some written Interviews for some PR. So if anybody is interresstet please contact me.
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| themayor
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you can just say what you want, no need for the !
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22:39
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| * spevack is going to work with wonderer_ on that
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22:39
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| wonderer_
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ok
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22:39
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| themayor
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wonderer_: okay see if you can seek out people
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22:39
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| themayor
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ill throw up a place on the wiki to track our work and email the list
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22:40
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| themayor
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let me add this to my list of things
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22:40
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| wonderer_
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themayor: yes, I allready work with max on that. so, also if anybody need such stuff - wonderer AT fedoraproject DOR or :-)
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| wonderer_
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ok.
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22:41
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| wonderer_
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eof :-)
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| spevack
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themayor: we're going to be doing interviews w/ FUDCon VIPs to generate press leading up to FUDcon berline
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22:41
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| themayor
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niiiice
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22:41
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| themayor
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this is all written right?
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22:41
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| themayor
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or audio?
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22:41
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| spevack
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right now we're just focusing on written
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| spevack
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but the thing w/ diego & dimitris will touch on fudcon
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| spevack
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and if i can find a really easy way to capture audio, i'll do some audio interviews for various purposes and make this a recurring thing.
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| themayor
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great!!!
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22:42
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| spevack
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stickster has done some work on that, maybe he can just hand it to me :)
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22:42
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| stickster
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I can write up a wiki page on it
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22:43
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| wonderer_
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spevack: as a radio mod I had some stuff. lets talk later on that issue ;-)
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| * spevack is laaaaazy
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| * wonderer_ sends max acup of coffee _]3
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| themayor
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hahaha
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| stickster
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Brilliant emoticon dude!
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| themayor
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anyway
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22:44
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| themayor
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yeah that was pretty damn sweet
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22:44
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| * spevack doesn't get it..... oh wait, the 3 is the handle of the cup!
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| themayor
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_]3
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| spevack
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lulz
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| themayor
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_]D
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| themayor
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thats more like it
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22:45
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| spevack
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-]3 -- my cup is half full!
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22:45
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| moixs
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Interesting discussion, but can we move on? :p
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22:45
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| wonderer_
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maybe something for shirts?! (c) ... anyway.
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22:45
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| themayor
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~]D
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22:45
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| themayor
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now thats more like it
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22:45
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| themayor
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but i dont even drink coffee
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22:45
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| themayor
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anyway
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22:45
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| themayor
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lets move on
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22:45
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| spevack
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moving on :P
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22:45
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| * wonderer_ drinks right now out of a fedora blue IBM coffee cup ... just a hint...
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22:46
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| themayor
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hahaha
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22:47
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| themayor
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spevack: you are still on tap to brief famsco right?
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22:48
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| moixs
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Do we have other things to talk about (picture book?) or are we more and more efficient to the point of lowering meeting times under 1h? :p
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| themayor
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well ian isnt here
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| stickster
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PICTURE!
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22:48
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| themayor
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i will email him to send an update to the list
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22:48
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| themayor
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BOOK
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| themayor
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he sent an email saying he wouldnt be here
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| themayor
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okay we still need two people to do in depth features
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| themayor
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volume control and virt improved console
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| themayor
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any takers?
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| themayor
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its just a short interview
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22:50
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| themayor
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pretty please?
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| moixs
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As a sidenote (I sent a mail to spevack about this), I'm starting my bachelor thesis really soon this I'll be less present for the 2 next months. That's why I don't pick up any heavy tasks at the moment.
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| themayor
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ah k
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| themayor
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well moixs thanks for everything that you do
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| e1luca1
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good luck with the exams
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| themayor
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okay i guess there are no takers, im going to start prodding people senselessly in private
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| themayor
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herlo: didnt you mention you wanted one?
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| moixs
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e1luca1: the exams are over, only the thesis is left :)
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22:52
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| moixs
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(which is heavily Fedora based btw)
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22:52
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| e1luca1
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well put a lot of graphs looks thicker ;)
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| themayor
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hahaha
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22:53
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| themayor
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okay so im going to wrap up, except for one point
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| themayor
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next week
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22:54
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| themayor
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we need to start working on the press kit
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22:54
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| themayor
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be prepared with ideas for next week
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22:54
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| themayor
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moixs: dont know if youll be able to make it, but its a good auxiliary to the NDN
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22:54
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| moixs
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yep, send it in the meeting reminder too
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| e1luca1
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@ the mayor: pls explain a little the task left untaken about the features. I might try somethig
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| themayor
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e1luca1: hold on ill link you
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| moixs
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themayor: don't worry, I'm not overloaded with work at *that* point, I'll still assume some tasks and assist to the meetings ;)
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| themayor
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_in-depth_features
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| themayor
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my internet is ass slow today for some reason
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22:56
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| =-= mizmo is now known as mizmo-out
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22:57
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| e1luca1
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is it to late if I figure out if I can do it by day after tomorrow?
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22:58
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| themayor
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no
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| themayor
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we have time
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22:58
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| themayor
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we have until the beta
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22:58
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| themayor
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e1luca1: there is an example under packagekit
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22:58
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| themayor
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and i have one about the kernel mode setting which i will put up as soon as ajax finished answering some questions for me
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22:58
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| themayor
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hes been busy last two days unfortunately
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22:59
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| e1luca1
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k. I'll register on the wiki if I'll do it.
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22:59
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| themayor
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some bug that hes tracking down
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22:59
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| themayor
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thanks
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| themayor
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alright folks, thats about ti
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