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Meeting Summary

Action Items

  • New
  • wooods - talk to quaid about summer of code test reporting project
  • Existing
  • wwoods - begin stubbing out interoperability (dual-boot) test cases in F9 Install Test Plan
  • poelstra - add F9Install test plan link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/HowToTest
  • jlaska - update TreeTestingTemplate to line up with Test Plan
  • atodorov - status check-in on a dogtail test that uses anaconda .glade files (wasn't formal ... but may be good for a check-in next week)
  • all - CD-ROM install test results against Alpha? Please post status to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting

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<tr id="t09:44:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">|  jwb ,hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44:40" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:46:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| hi omar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46:43" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:55:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jwb, what is the IST for QA meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55:05" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:55:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| not sure.  one sec</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55:28" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t09:57:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| omar, it's in 3 minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57:38" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:57:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jwb, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57:53" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t09:59:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| whee. F9Alpha is fun</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:59:35" class="time">09:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00:20"><td class="servermsg" colspan="2">--- | wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting - init</td><td><a href="#t10:00:20" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: what's the agenda today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00:34" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| "Discussion of F9Alpha"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00:49" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:00:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| is basically the long and short of it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:00:55" class="time">10:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: want to walk through last weeks action items?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01:20" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| oof. the Wiki is error 500'ing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01:43" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:01:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: sure, in a minute or so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:01:54" class="time">10:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02:11" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| first.. f13, nirik, mether, LoveChild, rdieter: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02:19" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| yo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02:25" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:02:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| gonna be asking about F9Alpha status (if any) in a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:02:49" class="time">10:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* | f13 </td><td><a href="#t10:03:11" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| okay, grace period over, let's get started</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03:56" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:03:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: thanks as always for logging meetings</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:03:57" class="time">10:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| you bet ... it's got to be done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04:29" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: if you wanna run through last week's action items, then rock it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04:40" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:04:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| word ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:04:59" class="time">10:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| you can find the list @ <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05:20" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| [    ]  jlaska - flesh out tier#1 cases (<a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-January/msg00243.html">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-January/msg00243.html</a>)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05:41" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:05:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| I've updated the test plan with a sampling of tier#[123]  tests - <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:05:58" class="time">10:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| the tier#1 maps to what we discussed on the mailing list and during last weeks meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06:11" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| nice!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06:27" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| the tier#2 and tier#3 are a mix of "what's left" and what I've guessed based on past experience</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06:36" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| it's not the prettiest thing yet ... but it's a start</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06:51" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:06:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| that's as good a place to start as any</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:06:53" class="time">10:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| cool stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07:52" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:07:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| I like organizing the tests by functional group ... hence the "boot methods", "install source", "kickstart delivery" etc... that maps well to the strategy outlined above</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:07:59" class="time">10:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| I'm open to alternatives if folks have suggestions on a better way to present/re-use the data</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08:20" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, wwoods ,I wud like to add some thing here...BUG on lpared Power box</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08:29" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: Greetings!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08:36" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| is there a bz?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08:44" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:08:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:08:56" class="time">10:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| heee ppc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:09:54" class="time">10:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: if you've got the bz ... I can review that w/ the test plan to identify what case is failing (we can add that information to wwood's <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting</a> test summary)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10:07" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10:28" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| f13, you don't get to laugh.  you told us to spin it and test it.  we did.  we report bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10:49" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:10:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, net is slow give me a minute</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:10:55" class="time">10:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| I haven't done much ppc testing - been meaning to ask jwb for some info about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:02" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| wwoods, omar has been doing most of the testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:12" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jwb: awesome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:18" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| and omar: thanks!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:30" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:11:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| sounds like we just need to integrate that feedback into the AlphaTreeTesting summary?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:36" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| wwoods, i tested on an old ppc32 machine and it installed OK.  did an upgrade on ppc64 (G5) and ran into the /boot issue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:11:44" class="time">10:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| I discovered that the ps3 is b0ned with a newer firmware too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:04" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| wwoods, aside from /boot, things are so-so.  gdm just gives me a blank screen.  other than that it's ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:11" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| f13, we narrowed that down to hal right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:31" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| yes, but I think we're getting off track here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:38" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| yeah, let's finish a quick status check on our old stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:52" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:55" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:12:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| *hint* a /topic change would help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:12:57" class="time">10:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13:16"><td class="servermsg" colspan="2">--- | wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting - existing action items (<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20080130</a>)</td><td><a href="#t10:13:16" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| #2 is stubbing OS interop tests.. haven't gotten to it, but I'll look at that today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:13:44" class="time">10:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:14:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| next was atodorov and dogtail/anaconda testing status</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:14:22" class="time">10:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| he's not here and I haven't seen anything on anaconda-devel-list about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15:10" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: do you know any more about this? or can you follow up with him?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15:36" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:15:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: atodorov is currently fleshing out the enc block device test plan for F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:15:54" class="time">10:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: althoug the dogtail part is a side interest so let's keep it as a check-in for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16:16" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:16:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: as far as creating new tests for #2 ... there's a little helper (wrapper around a moin template really) if you need it ... <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestCases">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestCases</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:16:59" class="time">10:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:17:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| nice</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:17:54" class="time">10:17</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:18:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| I'll have a look at that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18:08" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| arg ... wiki slow last few days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18:09" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:18:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| jlaska: that's my fault.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:18:56" class="time">10:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:19:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| Next was poelcat updating some Anaconda testing pages to mention the F9Install test plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:19:05" class="time">10:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| poelcat: ping?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20:25" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| It's pretty early where he is.. the page appears to not be updated, so I'll ask him about that when he appears later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20:50" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:20:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| roger</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:20:57" class="time">10:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:21:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: updating TreeTestingTemplate to line up with the new Install Plan?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:21:37" class="time">10:21</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:22:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| wwoods: yeah it should ... so in the absence of a shiny tool to file/collate for us :) ... I'd like to take a stab at modifying the existing template to line up with the specific test plan (e.g. F9Install)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:22:37" class="time">10:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:23:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| it's more just having the test summaries line up with the test plan ... I haven't begun that yet ... but would like to keep that for next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23:22" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:23:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23:30" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:23:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| that just sounded like a request for a turbogears app project, maybe for a google summer of coder?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:23:47" class="time">10:23</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:24:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| that would be ridiculously awesome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24:00" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:24:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| f13: it certainly is :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:24:05" class="time">10:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| we'll have to take a look at making that happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25:18" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| it would behoove you to chat with quaid about such things.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25:19" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:25:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| talk to quaid, eh? will do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:25:26" class="time">10:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:26:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| okay, and now, Alpha Test Status</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26:04" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:26:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| sounds like an todo for next week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26:07" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:26:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jlaska: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:26:23" class="time">10:26</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:27:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| jlaska: GSOC deadlines are coming up /quick/.  So things like that should be done ASAP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:05" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| (it could have also been a summer intern project...)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:17" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| but I think it's too late for that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:22" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| whoops, broke my ssh connection</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:24" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| good thinking</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:28" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:27:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| anyway I'll talk to quaid ASAP and report status next week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:27:48" class="time">10:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:28:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| okay so, <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28:07" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:28:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| that's the test status page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28:09" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:28:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| (for Beta we may have a newer and better template, but that's what we've got now)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:28:22" class="time">10:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| First thing.. upgrades trace back trying to update the boot loader</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29:05" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| bug 430811</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29:15" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:29:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| we've got an updates.img for this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29:22" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| <a href="http://people.redhat.com/clumens/f9a-updates.img">http://people.redhat.com/clumens/f9a-updates.img</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29:42" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:29:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| gotta add that to the wiki and the bug, I guess</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:29:52" class="time">10:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| doh. wiki 503'd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30:05" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| that's the big one for me.. oh, the GUI installs GNOME no matter what you tell it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30:43" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:30:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| no bug on that one yet, gotta remember to file it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:30:51" class="time">10:30</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:31:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31:14" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:31:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| rdieter: how's KDE looking so far?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31:21" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:31:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| rdieter: and.. are you getting useful reports from people? Should we be pushing people to test KDE4?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31:37" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:31:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| wwoods: on track, real good already.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:31:42" class="time">10:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:32:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| useful feedback?  not so much, unfortunately.  much more is needed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32:23" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:32:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| rdieter: is there lost of noise being made at say planetkde (if there is such a thing) ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:32:49" class="time">10:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| f13: noise, yes.  absolutely.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33:27" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| AFAIK this is one of the first distro releases to include it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33:31" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:33:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| so, yeah, we should be encouraging people to try it and talk about all the hard work you guys did</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:33:59" class="time">10:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34:02" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:34:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| haven't checked release dates, but ubuntu is now claiming they'll be the first release to include kde-4.0, maybe they will beat us by days/weeks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34:10" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:34:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| first distro release, that is.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:34:27" class="time">10:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:35:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| so if ubuntu is in the mix, there is certainly noise to be made/had. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:35:19" class="time">10:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:36:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| definitely. well, from my cursory testing, KDE4 seems less crashy than our current GNOME stuff, so.. heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36:22" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:36:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| rdieter: cool, thanks.. let us know if there's specific areas that need close examination</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36:47" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:36:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| our biggest hurdles atm are integration with gtk/gnome-ish tools.  gtk apps with systray icons are still wonky, no upgrade path to/from nm-applet, knetworkmanager.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:36:50" class="time">10:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:39:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| hm. what's up with knetworkmanager? no maintainer?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39:01" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:39:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| pulseaudio deamon start sitll being DE-specific, and not a global thing.  (same goes for gnome-keyring-daemon, and the lke).</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39:05" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:39:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| wwoods: nm-applet, if installed, cannot be quit or disabled.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39:33" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:39:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| rdieter: isn't that more of a generic NetworkManager issue?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:39:58" class="time">10:39</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:40:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| f13: sure, nm-applet = NetworkManger-gnome, if that's what you mean.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:40:22" class="time">10:40</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:40:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| well, just that this is the way the applet is designed.  If the service is running the applet will show</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:40:44" class="time">10:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:40:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| but that's all small potatoes at this poin.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:40:48" class="time">10:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:40:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| to disable NetworkManager, you stop the service, you don't just kill the frontend applet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:40:56" class="time">10:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:41:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| f13: then how to allow knetworkmanger as an alternative to using nm-applet, that's *my* point.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41:10" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:41:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41:11" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:41:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| what right now /runs/ the nm-applet executable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41:37" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:41:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| IIRC it's part of the gnome autostart stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41:51" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:41:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| xdg/autostart.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:41:55" class="time">10:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:42:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| quite simply, you just wouldn't start it if launching KDE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42:02" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:42:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| not ideal, imo, nm-applet should be usable in any DE, including KDE.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42:29" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:42:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| this seems like a more generic problem than one specific to nm-applet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42:35" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:42:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| same goes for knetworkmanager.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42:38" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:42:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| knetworkmanger, at least, can be manually quit and disabled from autolaunching.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:42:56" class="time">10:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:43:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| yeah, it's a bigger problem, I agree.  dunno how best to address it, frankly.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:43:31" class="time">10:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:43:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| presenting the user with 15 applets and forcing them to decide which to enable/disable/quit is rather lame</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:43:57" class="time">10:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:44:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| especially if you get nm-applet and knetworkmanager fighting for control over your network</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:44:11" class="time">10:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:44:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| yep.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:44:32" class="time">10:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:45:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| it's something that needs to be addressed sooner or later.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:45:01" class="time">10:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:45:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| anyway, not an Alpha-specific thing, but definitely worth examiningg</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:45:56" class="time">10:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:46:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">| nod, move on... :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:46:06" class="time">10:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:46:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| omar: what was the bug number for the ppc problem you mentioned?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:46:14" class="time">10:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:46:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, wwoods :Here the bugzilla entry <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431045">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431045</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:46:40" class="time">10:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:47:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| wwoods, i was just waiting ....for meeting to be finished, so not to disturb in between</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:47:10" class="time">10:47</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:48:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| omar: oh it's fine. it's on topic!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:48:39" class="time">10:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:48:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| wwoods, its ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:48:58" class="time">10:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:49:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| I'm going to put that on the f9blocker list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:49:39" class="time">10:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:49:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| it keeps you from installing on PPC machines, so.. yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:49:57" class="time">10:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| looks like notting and dwmw2 are on it, so it should be OK</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:19" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| wwoods, i cud install on ppc which has not lpared</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:20" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| wwoods, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:32" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| not all on ppc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:35" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| just certain environments</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:43" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: is it the virtual devices causing issue?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:44" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:50:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| right, sorry, just lpars</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:50:47" class="time">10:50</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:51:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| keeps you from installing on *some* ppc I should have said</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:51:03" class="time">10:51</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:51:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, do u mean to say bug in kernel or hardware issue</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:51:55" class="time">10:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:53:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: if you manually attempt to add the virtual ppc storage (ibmvscsi) driver ... do the devices pop up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:53:13" class="time">10:53</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:54:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, i cudn't try</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:54:12" class="time">10:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:54:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| aah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:54:17" class="time">10:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:54:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| this is similar to the xen pv driver issue from what jeremy told me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:54:33" class="time">10:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:54:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| actually it went up to hard disk partitioning page on hmc console</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:54:40" class="time">10:54</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:54:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| the ibmvscsi isn't exporting aliases so it's not being insmod'd</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:54:55" class="time">10:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:55:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, i need to look at it, if u have any clue please update BZ</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:55:16" class="time">10:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:55:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: you definitely have  the right audienceon the bz (dwmw2 and pnasrat)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:55:43" class="time">10:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:56:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, yup wwoods told the same</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:56:10" class="time">10:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:56:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| oops, yeah :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:56:17" class="time">10:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:56:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| in general ... is there a way we can list all the network+storage drivers that do not export aliases?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:56:56" class="time">10:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, if we have any work around I can proceed . Or else need to fix in Beta release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:03" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| sounds like that might uncover potential issues for installation</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:06" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| omar: if the kernel module gets fixed, we can always spin a snapshot for you to test.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:31" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:57:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| and by "we" I mean jwb.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:48" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| f13, sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:51" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| hm?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:54" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:57:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: is it prompting you during loader to add a driver?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:57:59" class="time">10:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:58:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| f13, oh yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:58:05" class="time">10:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:58:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, nope</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:58:08" class="time">10:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:58:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| omar: if you boot with "noprobe" and manually specify the appropriate driver for your NIC and DISK </td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:58:34" class="time">10:58</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t10:59:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, hmm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:59:02" class="time">10:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:59:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">dwmw2</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">| once upon a time, anaconda would refuse to use devices even if they blatantly _do_ exist but kudzu didn't admit to them. Does it still do that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:59:16" class="time">10:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:59:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| jlaska: without an alias, the module will likely not even be on the install media to probe.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:59:29" class="time">10:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:59:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| Isn't kudzu dead deead dead dead in f9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:59:34" class="time">10:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t10:59:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| wwoods: as far as anaconda is concerned, yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t10:59:49" class="time">10:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:00:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| the only thing still using kudzu is rhpxl.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:00:02" class="time">11:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:00:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| yeah, so that shouldn't be a problem, dwmw2</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:00:08" class="time">11:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:00:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| I was able to work around a similar issue with Xen paravirt installs if i manually specified the xenblk and xennet driver</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:00:09" class="time">11:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:00:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| f13: that's a good point ... /me cracks open alpha ppc initrd.img</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:00:35" class="time">11:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:01:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| modules/2.6.24-2.fc9/kernel/drivers/scsi/ibmvscsi/ibmvscsic.ko</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:01:20" class="time">11:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:01:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| modules/2.6.24-2.fc9/kernel/drivers/net/ibmveth.ko</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:01:24" class="time">11:01</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:01:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| I *think* we that'll be okay </td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:01:36" class="time">11:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:02:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| jlaska, please update the bz , i need to logoff now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:02:04" class="time">11:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| yeah, it's about time to wrap the meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03:09" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| if anyone has some CD media and wants to test CD stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03:19" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| (or wants to give me some CDs so I can do so)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03:30" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| let  me know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03:34" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| wwoods, if i get a chance i can do DVD test</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04:10" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| wwoods: I've done a few CD installs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04:47" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| (they were burned to DVD but...)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04:55" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| on PPC? that'd be fine - you might check with jwb first to see what needs testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04:55" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting</a> is the status page, again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05:03" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| wwoods: oh no, not on ppc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05:21" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jwb: hey, would you mind updating that page? or you can just send me some messages saying what you've tested and I'll do  it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05:26" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| the only usable ppc I have is the ps3, and it has other issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05:33" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| f13: well, we don't have any test results for any CD installs, so that's useful too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05:49" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| wwoods, yes.  i have another guy downloading it right now so i'll get feedback from him too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06:04" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| jwb: cool, thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06:15" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| wwoods, is disc 6 of x86_64 really over CD size still?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06:21" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:06:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| f13 would know the answer there, I don't know offhand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06:44" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| i think that got fixed in the updated spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06:59" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:07:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">omar</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">| ok bye guys,, ?Have a nice day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:07:09" class="time">11:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:07:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| you too omar</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:07:14" class="time">11:07</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:08:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| jwb: no, there is a disc7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08:01" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">| f13, ok.  the wiki page is out of date then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08:11" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08:47" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:10:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| updated wiki page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10:32" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| okay then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11:02" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| anything we need to talk about before adjourning for more fun & exciting testing of F9Alpha?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11:31" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| wwoods: do you know if the QA team has any internships proposed/excepted for the summer?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12:38" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| Nothing proposed by me - maybe RH QE has some internships proposed. jlaska might know more.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13:25" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| should I look into that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13:29" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:14:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| we can ask jlaska ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:14:08" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:14:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| sure, I'll do that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:14:58" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:15:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| alright, I'm gonna wrap this up. thanks for your time, further discussion can go to fedora-test-list or #fedora-qa as always</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15:20" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">| thanks folks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15:30" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:15:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">| jlaska: wwoods: I ask because I'm headed to an intern fair tomorrow...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15:54" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| f13: ooh. now that's interesting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16:13" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:17:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">| yeah we'll talk more about this soon. right now: coffee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17:48" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">| wwoods: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20:07" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
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