| adamw
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#startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting
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Meeting started Mon Aug 22 15:00:36 2011 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| adamw
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#meetingname fedora-qa-meeting
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting'
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| adamw
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#topic roll call
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15:01
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| adamw
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hey everyone, is it just me?
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15:01
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| tflink
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yep, meeting for one :-D
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15:02
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| * mkrizek present
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15:02
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| * brunowolff is here
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15:02
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| adamw
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my favourite kind
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15:02
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| tflink
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reaching consensus is much easier when you're by yourself
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15:02
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| adamw
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all you other kids just screw up my meetings
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15:02
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| tflink
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that's what I'm here for - glad to hear that I'm achieving my purpose
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15:03
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| adamw
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that's why we pay you the premium peanuts
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15:03
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| adamw
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#topic previous meeting follow-up
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15:04
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| adamw
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so this one's pretty light, as last week just turned into a blocker review...
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15:05
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| adamw
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"robatino, adamw or tflink - do RC4 announcement once the compose is complete"
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15:05
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| adamw
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and, i'm pretty sure that happened.
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15:05
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| tflink
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that and RC5
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15:05
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| adamw
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so yay.
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15:06
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| * jskladan lurks
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15:06
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| adamw
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#topic l10n / i18n test week
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15:06
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| * j_dulaney is here
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15:06
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| adamw
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hey jays
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15:06
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| j_dulaney
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Sorry for the lateness, overslept
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15:06
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| adamw
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this was scheduled for this week - it's going to be the first major f16 test event - but there's news...
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15:06
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| adamw
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i don't think anyone involved is around, so i'll pass it on: it's being pushed back a week
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15:07
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| tflink
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aren't we pretty much pushing back all the test days a week?
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15:07
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| adamw
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that may look like it's going to run into the X.org test week, but that's being pushed back too (by ajax's request)
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15:07
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| adamw
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no, we don't normally slip the test day schedule
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15:07
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| adamw
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l10n/i18n is a special case as it relies on something from the main release schedule, a translation test spin, i believe
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15:08
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| adamw
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so it wouldn't make sense to go ahead with it this week
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15:08
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed; I had understood those were the only two tests being pushed back
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15:08
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| adamw
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yep, so far, anyway.
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15:08
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| adamw
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#info l10n/i18n test week is being pushed back to next week: 08-30, 08-31, 09-01
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15:09
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| adamw
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#info X week is also being pushed back, to 09-06, 09-07, 09-08
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15:09
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| adamw
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#info other test days remain in place for now
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15:09
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| adamw
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i think that'd be all on this topic...
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15:10
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| * adamw notices he missed one topic. oops.
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15:10
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| adamw
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#topic alpha preparation
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15:11
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| adamw
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first up, huge thanks to everyone (even those not present) for all the alpha validation testing...i know that was a lot of RCs!
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15:11
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| adamw
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it was great work to make sure we didn't have another slip
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15:11
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| tflink
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no kidding
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15:12
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:12
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| adamw
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so, just wanted a general topic to cover any other work we need to do for alpha, and maybe look forward to beta
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15:12
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| adamw
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the most obvious thing is to put together the Common Bugs page: i usually work on that, but help is most welcome
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15:12
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| tflink
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yeah, that was the thing I was thinking of
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15:13
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| adamw
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you can refer to the bugzilla query http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed to find the list of bugs awaiting commonbugs entries (beware there may be one or two stale f15 proposals on there)
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15:13
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| adamw
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the page will be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs; i haven't put the skeleton up yet but will soon
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15:14
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| adamw
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there's 'docs' in the page comments about how to format entries on the page
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15:14
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| adamw
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#info the common bugs page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs will need entries for the bugs on http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
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15:15
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| j_dulaney
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So,just jump in and add stuff?
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15:15
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| adamw
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yup, that'd be great
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15:15
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| j_dulaney
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Curse sticking spacebar
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15:15
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| adamw
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please ensure all entries have the full allocation of spaces ;)
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15:15
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:16
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| adamw
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the other thing that seemed a good idea to me would be to go through the alpha rc validation results and check that bugs are appropriately flagged as blockers for future points
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15:17
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| adamw
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so make sure beta fails are proposed as beta blockers, final fails as final blockers
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15:17
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| adamw
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anyone want to do that? or think it's a silly idea?
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15:17
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| tflink
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in the meeting or just getting it done?
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15:17
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| j_dulaney
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Good idea to get done
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15:18
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| adamw
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tflink: just seeing if anyone wants to volunteer
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15:19
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| * rbergeron reads
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15:19
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| tflink
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I can do it if there are no other volunteers
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15:19
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| adamw
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good volunteerin' there
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15:19
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| adamw
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#action tflink to check alpha/beta/final validation results and ensure bugs are correctly marked as blockers
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15:20
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| adamw
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we have the first beta blocker review meeting coming up friday, which i'm sure everyone's looking forward to
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15:20
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| tflink
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as always
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15:21
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| j_dulaney
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Is there an RC/TC out?
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15:21
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: no, beta tc doesn't land for a week or two
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15:21
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| * adamw checks schedule
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html says 09-06 for beta tc
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15:21
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| j_dulaney
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Righteo
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15:22
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| * nirik notes (slightly related) that this mornings branched f16 push pushes things to stable (post freeze), so there's likely to be a bunch of changes/updates after today.
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15:22
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| adamw
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there's an acceptance test planned for 08-31...as discussed a few weeks back i'd kinda like to turn the acceptance tests into tcs, but probably best to make that an f17 thing
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15:22
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| j_dulaney
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What are the chances of a TC being put together sooner?
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| adamw
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well, we could certainly try that if everyone likes the idea
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15:23
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| adamw
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we'd have to check in with the anaconda team
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15:23
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| adamw
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the go/no-go is scheduled for 09-21, which would give us two weeks (and a day) of validation testing with a 09-06 tc
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15:23
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| adamw
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er...I mean check in with releng. but yes, anaconda too.
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| j_dulaney
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I'm just thinking that the sooner we get started, the better.
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| nirik
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but if you start too soon, things could change a bunch. ;)
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| adamw
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i certainly agree, but it's not always a great idea to fiddle with the schedule while it's in progress...but then, all it'd really mean is posting some more matrices and calling the rats images tc1 instead
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| brunowolff
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The 3.1 kernels have not been working well for me, so expect some issues there.
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15:25
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| adamw
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rbergeron: do you have an opinion on this one?
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| j_dulaney
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nirik: True, but the sooner we get on it, the better, yes?
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| rbergeron
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adamw: /me reads up, was in another meeting
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15:25
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| j_dulaney
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Ugh, space bar slowing down typing
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| rbergeron
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yeah, i'm not a fan of "fiddle with the schedule while in progress" - and honestly, the problems we *usually* have are in alpha, not beta, when we're trying to get the TC/RC put together
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15:26
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| rbergeron
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but yes - i mean, we could call earlier images tc's instead.
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15:26
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| rbergeron
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I hate to just *do that* without feeling other folks out, though.
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15:26
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| rbergeron
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Unless we have a specific problem we're trying to solve.
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15:27
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| rbergeron
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Or avoid.
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15:27
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| adamw
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rbergeron: i think the specific problem is mostly 'crap, let's not slip again' =)
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15:27
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| rbergeron
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yeah.
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15:27
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| j_dulaney
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adamw +1
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15:27
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| rbergeron
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We *always* slip at Alpha, we don't always slip at Beta.
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15:27
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| adamw
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yeah.
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15:27
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| rbergeron
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Also - we can add all hte bugffer time in the universe, but it really comes down to people pushing $whatever in at the last second.
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15:28
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| rbergeron
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sooo
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15:28
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| adamw
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rbergeron: well, it usually comes down to that because we don't identify the blocker that's getting fixed till 'last second minus two seconds'
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15:28
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| rbergeron
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right
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15:28
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| adamw
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to be fair
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15:28
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| rbergeron
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well
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15:28
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| adamw
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i do think extra tc time will help at alpha especially, and it can't really hurt at beta / final
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15:28
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:29
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| rbergeron
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my point is - I feel in some ways like the last second stuff always happens at the last second, no matter what, but maybe some buffer might help.
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15:29
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| adamw
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it's just a question of any practical issues with it, and whether we really want to do all that testing...j_dulaney seems enthusiastic, though
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15:29
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| adamw
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whatever meds you're on, i want some =)
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15:29
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| rbergeron
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And it's not like we're blowing a perfect schedule thus far.
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15:29
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| rbergeron
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If we try it with Beta, and it doesn't work. :)
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15:29
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| adamw
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so, let's see...
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15:29
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: You don't want these.
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15:29
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| * adamw is cautiously in favour, j_dulaney is in favour
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15:29
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: My meds keep me out of the nut house; they'd put normal people in the nut house
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15:30
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| adamw
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nirik: tflink: brunowolff: anyone else I missed: do you have votes?
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15:30
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| rbergeron
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WRT "all that testing" - if we're thinking about doing this permanently, we'd want to make sure we always have someone with whatever meds j_dulaney has.
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15:30
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: whatever gave you the impression I was normal?
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15:30
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| rbergeron
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Otherwise it doesn't work out so well.
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15:30
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: true
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15:30
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| tflink
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I'm not against starting with the testing earlier
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15:30
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| adamw
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rbergeron: right, although i'd also thought along those lines that if we don't get every single test done for tc1 out of 4 (or whatever it turns out to be), that ain't the end of the world.
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| * nirik doesn't care what we call it. ;)
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15:31
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| rbergeron
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I'm kosher with giving it a shot, I don't see a problem with it.
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15:31
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| tflink
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as long as we have the people to do it :)
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15:31
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| tflink
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TC/RATS ... whatever we want to call it
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15:31
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| rbergeron
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Maybe we call it a validation compose. ;)
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15:31
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| rbergeron
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lol
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15:31
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| adamw
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heh.
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15:31
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| tflink
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TTC?
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15:31
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| rbergeron
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T2C!
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15:31
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| adamw
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EYBC
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15:31
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| rbergeron
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Whatever. I say we go for it
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15:31
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| adamw
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(eats your babies candidate)
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15:31
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| adamw
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okay
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15:31
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| * jskladan is sorry, internet connection died on me :-/
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15:31
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| j_dulaney
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HH2G
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15:31
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| adamw
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so in practice that would just entail putting the rats image out on dl.fp.o and printing some matrices, really. it's not a big change.
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15:32
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| rbergeron
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Right.
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15:32
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:32
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| brunowolff
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I think being proactive in finding blockers earlier rather than later is good, but i am not sure if early TCs are needed.
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15:32
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| adamw
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so...how about someone checks in with anaconda and releng teams and makes sure it's okay by them? and if they say yes, we go ahead
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15:32
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| * j_dulaney had been testing Rawhide with the nightlies in a VM
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15:32
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: the nightlies are f16 not rawhide, i believe
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15:32
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: I can do that
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15:32
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| * j_dulaney speaks of prior to branch
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15:33
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| adamw
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ah i see
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15:33
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| adamw
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okay
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15:33
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| adamw
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#action j_dulaney to check in with anaconda and releng teams on the feasibility of making the rats point (08-31) an early tc
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15:33
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| * rbergeron goes to take people for education, brb.
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15:33
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| * rbergeron applays adamw's bus-under-throwing, nice work
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15:34
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| rbergeron
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;)
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15:34
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| rbergeron
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applauds
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15:34
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| adamw
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if you could update us on the list that'd be great - next meeting might be a bit tight
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15:34
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| adamw
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rbergeron: heh
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15:34
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| adamw
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or we could discuss it at the open discussion bit of the blocker meeting, everyone's always eager to extend those meetings, right?!
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15:34
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Indeed
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15:34
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| j_dulaney
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Nope
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15:35
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| tflink
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adamw: no, not really
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15:35
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| * j_dulaney will have trouble enough with making blockers, if they go over they'll be blocking class. This is not cool
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15:35
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| adamw
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heh
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15:35
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| adamw
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so, list update it is
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15:36
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| adamw
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alright...do we have any other post-alpha / pre-beta stuff to discuss?
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15:36
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| adamw
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oh, hey, i have one!
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15:37
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| adamw
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looking at the retrospective, one of the points is about the tc images being delayed
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15:37
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| tflink
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the F15 retrospective?
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15:37
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| tflink
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or the new F16 one?
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15:37
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| adamw
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not that old thing, the new new one
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15:37
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| adamw
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it might be good for us to have a tc shepherd poking releng with a stick when it comes to image compose time
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15:37
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| j_dulaney
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Alpha TC1 for F16 comes to mind
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15:38
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| adamw
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right
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15:38
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| * tflink doesn't quite understand what you're proposing
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15:38
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: I could do that this round; can't say I'll do it for the future
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15:38
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: i think we'd best not overload your plate :)
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15:38
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| tflink
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you mean someone that pesters releng to make sure that their issues are being taken care of?
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15:38
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| tflink
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or whatever you want to call what happened with the alpha tc
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15:39
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| adamw
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tflink: really, just someone to file the ticket requesting tc1 and then posts to it to ensure the delivery
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15:39
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| nirik
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I think alpha creeps up on everyone...
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15:39
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Since I'm going to be poking them anyway, I could include it in the same emails
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15:39
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| adamw
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nothing too heavy-handed, maybe just a post a day or two before the scheduled date, and of course post again on the date if the images don't show up
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15:39
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| adamw
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nirik: yeah, it tends to
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15:39
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| adamw
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it's an idea, if no-one likes it, never mind
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15:39
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| tflink
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it would be nice to avoid another week delay in tc
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15:40
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:40
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| * tflink isn't pointing fingers, though
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15:40
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| adamw
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no, none of that
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15:41
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| j_dulaney
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Maybe doing it for F17 wouldn't be too bad, though
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15:41
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| adamw
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ok
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15:41
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| adamw
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doesn't seem anyone's that enthusiastic, so let's leave it
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15:41
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| adamw
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soo...
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15:42
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| adamw
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#topic AutoQA update
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15:42
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| adamw
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do we have anyone from autoqa to take the floor?
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15:42
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| tflink
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kparal is gone this week and I've been spending most of my time on other things ... jskladan ?
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15:42
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: I've sent you an email with the test suit
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15:42
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: awesome
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15:43
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| adamw
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we're getting test suits now?
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15:43
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| j_dulaney
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It's gzipped
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15:43
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| adamw
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why wasn't i told?
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15:43
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| tflink
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adamw: because we knew you'd object
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15:43
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: the mock infranstructure and testing mechanism
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15:43
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| j_dulaney
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For testing AutoQA
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15:44
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: just making a joke about the missing e :)
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15:44
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: I'll keep an eye out for it, I haven't seen anything yet
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15:44
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| j_dulaney
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Doh
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15:44
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: for some reason, Github doesn't like me
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15:44
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| j_dulaney
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I can't commit even to my own repository
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15:44
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| tflink
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:-/
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15:44
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| j_dulaney
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So, I gave up on it
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15:45
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| adamw
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jskladan: alive?
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15:45
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| tflink
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I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development
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15:45
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| tflink
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but I'll see how far off I am on this :)
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15:45
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| tflink
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mkrizek has been working to get more of our dependencies into fedora (yourls, autoqa)
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15:46
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: True; I did almost nothing AutoQA related last week
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15:46
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| adamw
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#chair tflink
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15:46
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw tflink
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15:46
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| adamw
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#info "I think that we were spending more time on testing alpha last week than autoqa development"
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15:46
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| tflink
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# info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora
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15:47
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: I included a text file on how to put together tests (how to do the config file, where to put RPMs to test, etc)
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15:47
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| tflink
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#info inching towards getting the rest of AutoQA's dependencies packaged in fedora
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15:47
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| tflink
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#info j_dulaney has been working on the self test portions of AutoQA
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15:48
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| j_dulaney
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So, now we need to start thinking up tests to run on AutoQA
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15:48
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| j_dulaney
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I've got a few ideas I'll be putting on the ticket sometime this week
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15:48
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| tflink
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We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16
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15:49
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| adamw
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do we have any roadblocks with the packaging stuff? did the sponsor issue work out?
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15:49
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| tflink
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mkrizek would know for certain but I believe so, yes
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15:49
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| adamw
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great
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15:50
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| tflink
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I don't believe that we have any new roadblocks for packaging, autotest just isn't going to be easy :)
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15:50
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| tflink
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how's that for a disorganized and long status?
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15:50
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:50
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| adamw
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10/10!
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15:50
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| tflink
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sweet
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15:50
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| adamw
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keep us all in the loop with any packaging issues, i'm sure we can handle reviews at least among the rest of the group
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15:51
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| tflink
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will do
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15:51
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| adamw
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#info "We'll be pushing forward with the features planned for 0.7.0 but other than that, will be testing F16"
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15:51
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| adamw
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#topic open discussion
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15:51
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| adamw
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okay...so, anything i missed? there's gotta b
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15:51
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| adamw
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e
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15:51
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| j_dulaney
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^B^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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15:52
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| j_dulaney
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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15:52
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| j_dulaney
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A 'B' in the carrot patch
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15:53
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| adamw
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man, we're dying out here
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15:54
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| adamw
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someone tell a joke
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15:54
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| tflink
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two men walked into a bar ... the third one ducked
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15:54
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| adamw
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ba-dum *tish*
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15:54
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| adamw
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play us off, stan
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15:55
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| adamw
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*dances off stage sideways with cane*
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15:55
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| j_dulaney
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So, a Microsoft Programmer, an Apple Programmer, and a Linux hacker walk into a library
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15:55
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| adamw
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oh boy, should we stop you before the lawyers wake up? =)
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15:55
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| j_dulaney
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Probably
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15:55
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| adamw
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hehe
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15:56
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| adamw
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i guess that's it then...
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15:56
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| adamw
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everyone look out for the blocker meeting friday, and a rats run or tc image the following week
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15:56
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| adamw
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oh
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15:57
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| adamw
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does anyone want to chair the next meeting? next week, same time, same place?
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15:57
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| j_dulaney
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Right
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15:57
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| * j_dulaney is available
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15:58
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| adamw
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#action j_dulaney to chair the next meeting
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15:58
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| j_dulaney
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As long as I get to class by 1 PM
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15:58
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| adamw
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thanks jay! you know the location of the meeting SOP, right?
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15:59
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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15:59
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| adamw
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cool
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16:00
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| adamw
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thanks for coming, everyone
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16:00
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| adamw
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#endmeeting
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