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#startmeeting fedora-qa
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Meeting started Mon Oct 10 15:00:25 2011 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| tflink
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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| tflink
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#topic Roll Call
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| * kparal is here
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| tflink
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alrighty, who's ready for some QA meeting?
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| tflink
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kparal: welcome
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| * pschindl is her
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| * pschindl is here :D
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| pschindl
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jskladan will come soon
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| tflink
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pschindl: whether you're her or here, welcome :)
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| kparal
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it seems it will be a very private meeting :)
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| tflink
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well, the meeting notice wasn't sent out that long ago
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15:05
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| * tflink will wait ~ 4 more minutes before starting since there aren't many here yet
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| * jsmith is lurking
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| tflink
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alrighty, lets get going
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| tflink
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#topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up
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| tflink
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OK, I see two things from last week
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| tflink
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#info python-yourls has still (STILL?!) not been built
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| kparal
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where's the catch?
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| tflink
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#action tflink build python-yourls for F16, F15, EL6 so we can stop dicussing this
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| tflink
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kparal: no catch, really. I have everything committed and it keeps falling off my todo list
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| kparal
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ok
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| kparal
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happens to me all the time
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| tflink
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I wish I had a rawhide machine to test on, though. time to try updating a F16 VM again
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| tflink
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the other one is an item for adamw
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| tflink
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which I'm pretty sure hasn't happened yet for similar reasons
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| tflink
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#info release criteria proposals have not been sent out to test@
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| tflink
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I know that if they aren't done by friday, we'll be drafting some up at the blocker review meeting on friday
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| tflink
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since there are a couple of bugs that we feel should be blockers but don't have criteria
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| tflink
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mostly i18n bugs
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| tflink
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#action adamw will draft release criteria change proposals and send out to test@
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| tflink
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ok, is there anything else that I'm missing?
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| kparal
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nothing I can see
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| tflink
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cool
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| tflink
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#topic Final TC/RC Schedule
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| tflink
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to be honest, I'm not 100% sure what adam had in mind for this, but I can go over what I do know
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| tflink
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#info Final TC1 Scheduled for 2011-10-13
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| kparal
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I read this:
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| kparal
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Test 'Final' Test Compose (TC)Mon 2011-10-17
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| kparal
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http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
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| tflink
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Since it seemed to go well for beta, we're going to push up the TC scedule by a week
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| kparal
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great
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| tflink
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s/scedule/schedule
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| tflink
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it doesn't affect any other deadlines, just gives us the first compose to start testing a week earlier than we would otherwise have it
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| kparal
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better for us
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| tflink
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I think that we're expecting new builds for anaconda and lorax for final TC1 but I'm not 100% sure what else we're hoping for
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| tflink
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IIRC, the deadline is tomorrow night (some US timezone)
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| tflink
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for packages
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| * jskladan joins
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| tflink
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jskladan: welcome!
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| jskladan
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sorry for the delay
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| tflink
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jskladan: no worries
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| tflink
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That's about all I know about the TC/RC schedule
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| tflink
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anyone have additional information?
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| * tflink assumes silence => no
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| kparal
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correct
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| tflink
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#topic Criteria Revisions
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| tflink
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OK, I know that we have several proposed changes to the final release criteria that either have been or will be proposed in the next week
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| tflink
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One of them that we've been kicking around for a while now is about Xen
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| tflink
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#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-September/103127.html
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| tflink
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continued with
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| tflink
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#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-October/103242.html
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| tflink
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are there any thoughts here about final Blocker/NTH for Xen issues?
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| kparal
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the problem is... I have zero knowledge of Xen
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| tflink
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kparal: for testing or commenting on the criteria?
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| kparal
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both
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| kparal
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so I can't really comment on that, if I don't know what DomU is :)
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| tflink
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my thoughts on it are: it's hard to fix Xen DomU (guest) install issues after release
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| tflink
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xen DomU => guest OS
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| kparal
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btw why exactly are we again supporting Xen?
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| tflink
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xen Dom0 => Virtualization Host
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| tflink
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kparal: the required stuff for Dom0 was accepted upstream into the kernel
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| tflink
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so custom kernels aren't required any more
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| kparal
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ah, that's nice
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| kparal
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ok
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| tflink
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having choice is good, too :)
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| tflink
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but I'm thinking that we don't quite have enough people here to vote on criteria changes
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| kparal
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certainly not this one
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| jsmith
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+1
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| tflink
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jsmith: +1 to not voting or +1 to the criteria
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| * maxamillion is here ... late but here
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| tflink
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I think that the last place we left the xen criteria modification was to take it to devel@ and see if we could get more input
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| tflink
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the current thought being that if there were no big objections, we would make Xen DomU support NTH for F16 Final
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| tflink
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maxamillion: welcome to the party!
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| kparal
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it's kind of late for full-fledged blocker anyway, isn't it?
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| maxamillion
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thanks :D
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| tflink
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kparal: maybe but I don't think that there are any potential xen related blockers that aren't being worked on ATM
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| maxamillion
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tflink: the only thing I think might be an issue there is users of services like Amazon EC2, Linode, Rackspace cloud, etc ... because I think they are all Xen based
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| tflink
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I'm only aware of 1 real issue with guests and 1 or two with the hosts
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| tflink
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maxamillion: true but we're still not sure if generic DomU support in fedora will help with the support of those services
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| maxamillion
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tflink: ah, fair point ... they do generally roll their own images
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| tflink
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#action tflink to move Xen release criterion discussion to devel@
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| tflink
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we do need to be voting on these soon, though
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| tflink
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as kparal said, it's starting to get a bit late to be accepting new release criteria
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| maxamillion
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tflink: is the dom0 working? I know that's a feature page somewhere ... imo it would be odd to offer dom0 but not domU, but in similar respect I don't really have a dog in this fight so NTH is +1 on my end
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| tflink
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maxamillion: there are a couple of bugs left but there are workarounds
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| maxamillion
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tflink: rgr
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| tflink
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and some fixes being worked out
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| maxamillion
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+1 for Xen domU being NTH
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| tflink
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same here, but I think that we still need more input before accepting it
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| maxamillion
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fair
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| tflink
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I know that there is at least 1 other release criteria modification coming
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| tflink
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since there are a couple of bad i18n bugs still in F16
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| tflink
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but I think that's about it for release criteria stuff
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| tflink
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#topic Upcoming QA Events
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| * jsmith thinks we need more feedback as well
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| tflink
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#info Fedora Packager for Eclipse Test Day - 2011-10-13
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| tflink
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#link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-13_Fedora_Packager_for_Eclipse
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| tflink
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This looks well prepared and ready to go
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| tflink
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#info Cloud SIG Test Day - 2011-10-20
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| tflink
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no link yet
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| tflink
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#action tflink to continue pestering Cloud SIG people about test cases and coordination
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| tflink
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unless someone else wants that :)
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| tflink
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I had already been talking to them about it, figured that I would continue
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| tflink
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nirik: is a proventesters meeting planned for wednesday?
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| nirik
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yep.
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| nirik
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not sure how much progress we are making, but people seemed ok to meet again.
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| tflink
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#info Proventesters Meeting - 2011-10-12
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| tflink
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cool, thanks
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| tflink
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kparal: feel like doing a quick AutoQA update?
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| kparal
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is there some update?
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| maxamillion
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nirik: any particular points in proventesters land you feel we need large strides of progress on?
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| tflink
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kparal: not a whole lot to say, I suppose :)
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| tflink
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we'll skip it for this week
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| kparal
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I can say a few words
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| tflink
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#topic AutoQA Status
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| tflink
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#chair kparal
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| nirik
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maxamillion: well, Ideally I would like to see more recruitment... if we had a slightly bigger pool we might be able to do better on critpath updates...
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| kparal
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first of all, autoqa-results is dead at the moment
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| maxamillion
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nirik: ah, yes ... agreed
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| kparal
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it has been shut off because it generated a lot of email traffic
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| maxamillion
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nirik: tough sell though :/
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| kparal
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we will have to reduce the traffic in order to continue using that
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| tflink
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#info autoqa-results@ has been disabled due to excess traffic slowing down the list server
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| maxamillion
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which reminds me ... need to fire up some easy-karma once I get home
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| kparal
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the second update is that initscripts test was removed from autoqa
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| kparal
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more and more services are transitioned to systemd
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| tflink
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#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will show up in next update
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| kparal
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and there has been problems with initscripts we would have to solve if we wanted to continue running it
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| tflink
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hrm, my #info was poorly worded
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| tflink
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#undo
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| kparal
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:)
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| tflink
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#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa, will be removed from production at the next AutoQA update
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| kparal
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actually it is disabled already
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| kparal
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for a week or two
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| tflink
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oh, I didn't know that
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| tflink
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third time's the charm ...
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| tflink
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#undo
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| kparal
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bcz of this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/380
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| tflink
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#info the initscripts test has been removed from autoqa source and disabled in production
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| kparal
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*thumbs up*
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| kparal
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that's all from autoqa
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| tflink
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kparal: cool, thanks for the update
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| kparal
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afaik
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| tflink
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that makes two of us :)
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| tflink
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#topic Open Discussion
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| tflink
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OK, is there something that anyone wants to discuss?
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| * tflink wonders if he could make that question any less specific, will try harder for next time
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| robatino
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is there going to be testing for the security spin?
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| tflink
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not sure
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| robatino
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i've been making the test pages and including them in announcements, no activity so far
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| tflink
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athmane doesn't seem to be here ATM
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| maxamillion
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robatino: I can do some testing, are you interested in hosting a test day for it or just curious if anyone was testing it currently?
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| maxamillion
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or $other?
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| robatino
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i was just wondering if i should continue making test pages and announcing it
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| maxamillion
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ah ... can't really speak to that
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| * athmane is back
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| tflink
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athmane: do you know if anyone is planning to work on the security spin test matrix?
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| tflink
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robatino was wondering if he should continue to announce it and create the wiki pages
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| athmane
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the isos were not available
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| tflink
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oh
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| tflink
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athmane: do you know if any particular bugs were a problem or is this an issue with getting it spun?
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| athmane
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I think only 4 desktop spin are available in alpha/beta stages
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| tflink
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good point, for some reason I thought that we spun everything for beta
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| tflink
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so I think that the conclusion is: yes, there will be testing once an image is available to test
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| robatino
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ok, so i'll continue as usual, the test page will need to be edited to include the download link when that's available
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| tflink
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will the security spin be created with any of the final TC/RC?
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| * athmane can't recall
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| tflink
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I guess we'll find out on thursday if all else fails
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| tflink
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any other topics to cover?
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| * tflink sets fuse for 5 minutes
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| maxamillion
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tflink: thanks for another great meeting! :D (sorry for my blatant lack of punctualtiy)
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| maxamillion
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and my lack of ability to type ... >.>
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| tflink
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maxamillion: np, thanks for coming
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| tflink
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time is relative ... :-D
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| maxamillion
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;)
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| tflink
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alrighty, I'm changing my mind about the whole 5 minutes thing
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| tflink
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Thanks for coming everyone!
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| kparal
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thanks
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| maxamillion
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thanks!
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| * tflink will send out minutes shortly
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| tflink
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#endmeeting
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