| tflink
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#startmeeting fedora-qa
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| zodbot
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Meeting started Mon Apr 16 15:01:14 2012 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| zodbot
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| tflink
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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| zodbot
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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| tflink
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#topic roll call
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15:01
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| * jskladan tips his hat
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15:01
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| * mkrizek is present
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15:01
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| tflink
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sorry for the late notice, all - there was a miscommunication on who was going to run the meeting today
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15:01
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| * kparal is here
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15:02
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| * pschindl is here
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15:02
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| tflink
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or lack of notice - doesn't look like the announcement has been approved on test-announce@ yet
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15:02
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| tflink
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hrm, we seem to be a little light on attendees today
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15:04
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| jskladan
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seems to be private fedoraqa meeting so far ;)
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15:04
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| jskladan
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s/fedoraqa/fedoraqe/
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15:05
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| tflink
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I imagine that the lack of announcement has something to do with that
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15:05
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| Cerlyn
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It will be fast then
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| tflink
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#chair kparal
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15:06
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: kparal tflink
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15:06
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| * tflink waits another minute or two before getting started
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15:06
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| * j_dulaney waves
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15:09
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| jskladan
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robatino: j_dulaney: hey there
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15:09
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| j_dulaney
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jskladan: Morning
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| tflink
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ok, lets get started
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| tflink
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#topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up
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| tflink
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The only thing I'm seeing on the wiki is the proposal for preupgrade criterion adjustment
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| tflink
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which was done
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| tflink
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#info Preupgrade release criterion modification proposal sent out to test@
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15:11
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| tflink
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I assume that there is no extra discussion needed on this topic?
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| j_dulaney
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None here
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15:12
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| tflink
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OK, moving on
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15:12
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| tflink
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#topic Fedora 17 beta retrospective
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| tflink
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_QA_Retrospective
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15:12
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| tflink
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#info Fedora 17 beta RC4+RC4.1 went gold last week
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| tflink
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#info Fedora 17 beta to be released on 2012-04-17
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15:13
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| j_dulaney
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Tomorrow!
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15:13
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| rbergeron
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it's only a day away.
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15:13
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| tflink
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we have some stuff up there already, but if anyone has ideas on what went well or what could have gone better, please add to the retrospective wiki page
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15:14
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| j_dulaney
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Don't slip?
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| tflink
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most of the stuff that comes to mind for me isn't going to be fixed between beta and final but more ideas are good
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15:15
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: easier said than done
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| kparal
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that's not a request for QA
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| tflink
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also true
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15:15
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| tflink
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lots of things went into "why did beta slip so much"
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15:16
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| tflink
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rbergeron: I forget, does any change to the delay between go/no-go and release readyness need to wait for F18?
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15:17
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| tflink
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either way, probably isn't going to happen right now
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| tflink
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#topic Test Day Reports
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| tflink
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#chair j_dulaney
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: j_dulaney kparal tflink
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: how did the test days go last week?
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: Pretty well
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15:20
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| j_dulaney
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All the usual suspects seemed to be present
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| tflink
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yeah, looking through the test day wiki pages, it looks like there was a pretty good turnout for the KDE test day
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15:21
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| tflink
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not as sure about virt since I'm not seeing a results matrix, though
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| tflink
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#info turnout for the KDE test day was good - results on wiki page
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| tflink
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anyone know how the virt test day went?
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15:22
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| rbergeron
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tflink: that's a loaded question. adamw pinged me on it last friday and I'm not entirely sure, i don't really think it needs to, but I am going to see if i can get poelcat on the phone and see if he remembers any details
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| tflink
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rbergeron: ok, I was just curious and didn't realize that adamw was already asking you about it. If it changes for F17, it changes. If it doesn't, it doesn't :)
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| tflink
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#info no visible results from virt test day, unsure of how it went
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| tflink
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#topic Upcoming QA Events
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| tflink
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#info F17 Beta Release on 2012-04-17
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| tflink
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#info F17 Final Blocker Bug Review Meeting #1 on 2012-04-20
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| tflink
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we also have 2 test days coming up
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| tflink
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#info JBoss test day on 2012-04-17
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| tflink
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looks like that is pretty much ready to go as far as the wiki page is concerned
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| tflink
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#info Gnome Boxes test day on 2012-04-19
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| tflink
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looks like the test cases haven't been added to that page yet but there are still a couple of days left
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| maxamillion
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bah!!! I'm late
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15:29
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| lmacken
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last I checked, boxes was in rough shape, SELinux wise. Hopefully they'll have the policy fixed up by then.
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15:29
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| * lmacken filed a couple of bugs about it last week
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| tflink
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anyone willing to take an action item to ping the coordinators on status and if they need any help?
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15:29
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| lmacken
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also, it defaults to 512mb ram, which won't let you install f17 :( I couldn't figure out how to change that either
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| tflink
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maxamillion: better late than never :)
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| tflink
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hrm, sounds like boxes may not be ready for the test day by thursday
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| maxamillion
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tflink: I'll take it :)
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| tflink
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#action tflink to ping gnome boxes people about test day on thursday
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| tflink
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and on to ...
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| tflink
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#topic AutoQA Update
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| tflink
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#chair kparal
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: j_dulaney kparal tflink
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| kparal
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do we have one?
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| tflink
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nothing I can think of
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15:31
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| kparal
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actually hongqing updated rats_install
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| kparal
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to do updates and updates+updates-testing installation
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15:32
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| kparal
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two passes
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| kparal
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but I haven't reviewed it yet
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| kparal
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and rats_install is broken anyway :/
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| tflink
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#info rats_install updates to run against updates and update+updates-testing has been submitted, pending review
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15:32
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| kparal
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and one more thing, I disabled all "ok" emails coming to autoqa-results ML
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| tflink
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kparal: still issues with virt-install?
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| kparal
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tflink: no, there's a bug in anaconda when using a specific kickstart
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15:33
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| tflink
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#info emails to autoqa-results are now "failure only" - passing results only use bodhi and resultsdb
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| kparal
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that's all I can think of
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| tflink
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ok, thanks
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| tflink
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#topic Open Floor
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15:34
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| tflink
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anything else to cover today?
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15:34
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| tflink
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have we done any testing on the new livecd-creator updates?
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15:34
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| kparal
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I have one thing
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| tflink
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kparal: go for it
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15:35
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| kparal
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you might have noticed that http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/ is empty now
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| kparal
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oh, RC4 re-appeared
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| maxamillion
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I did not notice but that is ... interesting
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15:35
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| kparal
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thanks nirik or someone
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| * nirik notes we readded rc4 and rc4.1
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| maxamillion
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\o/ nirik
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15:35
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| nirik
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our policy has always been to clean those out after a release goes gold...
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15:36
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| kparal
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anyway, I asked on #fedora-admin releng guys to leave old RCs and TCs intact if possible, because we use it for regression testing
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| tflink
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#info F17 beta RC4+RC4.1 had disappeared from alt but has been re-added
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| kparal
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I do
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| nirik
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but it sounds like they get used still for other things...
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| kparal
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there seems to be a policy that they should delete old composes between GOLD is announced before it is officially released
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15:37
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| kparal
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I think it hurts QA, so I'd like to ask your opinions
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| * nirik thinks it might be good to have a thread on the test list about it... and people could note what (if anything) they actually use old composes for?
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| maxamillion
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nirik: +!
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15:37
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| tflink
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nirik: that sounds like a decent proposal
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| maxamillion
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shit
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| maxamillion
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nirik: +1
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15:37
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| maxamillion
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ney keyboard ... still getting used to it
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| tflink
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any volunteers to start the thread?
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15:37
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| maxamillion
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new*
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15:37
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| kparal
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I will
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15:38
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| tflink
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maxamillion: I can see that :-P
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15:38
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| kparal
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tflink: throw an action item at me!
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15:38
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| tflink
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#action kparal to start thread on test@ regarding use of RCs between GOLD and release
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| tflink
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action item thrown
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| maxamillion
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tflink: the keyboard is amazing, its just the first mechanical I've owned in a long time and I'm trying to get used to where the switch registers the keystroke before hitting the rock bottom of the key well and its been causing me typos :P
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15:38
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| maxamillion
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horray for kparal !
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15:39
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| kparal
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I like to volunteer, didn't you notice yet?
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15:39
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| kparal
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let's discuss on ML then
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15:39
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| * tflink is tempted to #action kparal test all of fedora 17
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| maxamillion
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lol
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15:40
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| kparal
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I already do!
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15:40
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| maxamillion
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TEST ALL THE THINGS!
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| kparal
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not finished yet though
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| tflink
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the only other thing I can think of is to do some testing w/ livecd-tools so that the new update can get to stable
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| kparal
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tflink: which one?
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15:41
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| kparal
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16.11?
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| tflink
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I have a suspicion that the nightlies are being built with 17.7 which is what we had problems with in RC4
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| tflink
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livecd-creator
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15:41
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| * tflink is thinking one thing, typing another
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| tflink
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but now that you mention it, are there livecd-tools updates that are still in testing?
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15:42
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| kparal
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16.11 are in stable now
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| tflink
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looks like the F15 build is still in testing
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| tflink
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#info livecd-tools-15.12-1.fc15 is still in updates-testing
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| kparal
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I don't know whether they fix the "missing Packages repo on USB" bug
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| tflink
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#action tflink to send out testing request for f15 livecd-tools to test@
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| tflink
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kparal: which bug is that?
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| kparal
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=812141
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| tflink
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sounds like it was fixed with the last release
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15:44
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| * tflink will look into the livecd-creator update
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15:45
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| tflink
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I'd rather not wait for TC1 to deal with the initial testing
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| tflink
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OK, any other topics to bring up
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| tflink
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other than firing adamw for being absent?
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15:46
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| kparal
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let's not forget that
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15:46
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| kparal
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.fire adamw
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15:46
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| zodbot
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adamw fires adamw
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| maxamillion
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o.O;
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| kparal
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success
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15:47
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| tflink
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you beat me to it :)
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| maxamillion
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how on earth does that work?
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| maxamillion
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I assume the bot is hard coded to 'adamw fires $foo' ?
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15:47
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| tflink
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maxamillion: I think so, yes
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| kparal
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no, the universe just knows what to do
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15:47
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| maxamillion
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lol
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15:47
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| kparal
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#info adamw was fired by adamw for not being present
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15:48
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| tflink
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well, if there's nothing else - I say we end the meeting and get back to MOAR TESTING!
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15:48
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| tflink
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kparal: awesome
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15:48
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| tflink
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Thanks for coming and working hard on testing for beta!
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15:48
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| * tflink sets fuse for [0,5] minutes
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15:49
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| * tflink will send out minutes shortly
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| tflink
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#endmeeting
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