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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 16-APR-07
Agenda
Executive Summary
1. Freezing for Test4 tomorrow (17-APR-07)
- f13 to create tag and start signing packages on 17-APR-07
- start of continuous freeze until Fedora 7 goes GOLD
- potential checkins for F8 starting in June (assuming all goes well)
- any builds will have to be brought to rel-eng@fedoraproject.org before it'll get included in:
a. Rawhide a. the final release.
- Eventually need documentation surrounding the freeze and distro build process
1. Merge of extras and core
- will not delay F7
- will most likely to be completed before F7 final is released
- held up because of equipment needed in the colo
- post-merge some packages will need to be rebuilt to pick up deps that used to be in Extras
1. In the future we should consider a mass rebuild of all packages around, but no later than test2 for technical reasons only (toolchain changes, rpm changes, etc..) 1. Still working on increasing build capacity 1. Discussion of Features
- incomplete features at this stage of the release will be dropped
- incomplete features will not block the release
- poelcat will go ping feature owners and update the wiki
- Unclear whether codecbuddy is in or out: controversy over whether it should block the release or not
- Known feature which are OUT: boot/shutdown, customdistro (as written) fix wakeups, newinit, syslogng, texlive
- Known feature which are IN: fast-user-switching, fds, everything, kde, prime, targeted spins, firewire, libata, livecd, nouveau, rpm/yum, wireless, tickless, pungi, firmware, smolt
1. wwoods reported on the state of the trees + discussion of important areas needing testing
- looking pretty solid
- most concerned about the pata/libata changeover
- concerns about iwlwifi and e1000 changes
- upgrade testing from FC6 and FC5
- automated testing is being conducted using KATE
- SNAKE scheduled for release around May 3
- Friday is a kernel bug triaging day
- bad mkinitrd bug which hoses scsi *BZ 220470
1. wwoods will write the test4 announcement which will include known problems, newly added features, and upgrade issues 1. Blocker bugs
- Blocker bugs are best effort; not *all* blocker bugs must be fixed to go GA
- Blocker bug criteria: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria
- F7 blocker bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=150226 is the big blocker for FC7
- F7T4 blocker bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F7Test4
1. Potential schedule slips
- none known at this time
1. Open discussion
- cdrkit
- need to decide what to do with it
- Extras vs. Core and when to merge
- wwoods "I got confirmation from the bluez maintainer that the firmware is freely redistributable (although non-modifiable), just like the intel firmware"
1. Next Release Engineering Meeting
- Thursday 19-APR-07 at 18:00 UTC (14:00 EDT)
- Coordination of sub-groups
- Test4 status
- When should we branch for F8?
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<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hi, still waiting for folks to roll in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13 has changed the topic to: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel</a> -- Fedora Release Team Meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nirik is sitting in the rabble seats and watching in between real-work stuff. </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mclasen is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">mmcgrath here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">spot is mostly here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid handles the dual-meeting thing, but is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13 summons the notting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: dude, you need the goat for that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and an alpha, i think.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">pong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">thl hands nirik some popcorn </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, you are here (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">jrb</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh, f13 is keating</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, sorry.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So we're going to be following <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BillNottingham/ReleaseMeetingsDraft">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BillNottingham/ReleaseMeetingsDraft</a> somewhat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13 has changed the topic to: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel</a> -- Fedora Release Team Meeting -- Freeze status and schedules</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We're freezing for Test4 tomorrow, which is also the point of continuous freeze until Fedora 7 goes GOLD</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this means that from tomorrow on, any build will have to be brought to rel-eng@fedoraproject.org before it'll get included in A) Rawhide and B) the final release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">maybe I haven't payed enough attention to one of the fedora mailing lists, but has it been explained how that relates to the merge delay ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nirik wonders if he should try and push the Xfce 4.4.1 he has been testing before then, or if it's ok to go after that... it's all bugfixes. </td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mclasen: it hasn't been explained. The merge delay doesn't have a lot to do with this specifically.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: i'm trying to get some last minute perl packages in (so bugzilla current will work on F-7 out of the box)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Oh, I should note that this only effects Core packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that _does_ relate to the merger, thanks mclasen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: ah, ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: we have a number of bugs on the f7 milestones that were specifically deferred 'until the merge'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Until such time that we merge, or at least get Extras building with Koji, Extras is sort of still on free form.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">so I have only a few hours to rebase to gcc 4.3, right? ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mclasen: these are because you need to BuildRequire some Extras packages?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">things like that, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bukaj: bahhhh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">or splitting off hal-info, etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">speaking of gcc, do we have any packages that haven't been rebuilt since FC6 ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mclasen: rel-eng and QA have agreed to give a wave on packages building to pick up things from Extras.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: many.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mclasen: why does the splitting of hal-info need to wait until the merge?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">bukaj: bad developer! two minutes in the penalty box!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: I wonder if its worth rebuilding them before GA to pick up any improvements in gcc/binutils.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: too late for a mass rebuild.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: that kind of thing would need to happen around test2, when the feature freeze would ahve been to get the new gcc/binutils feature in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: I don't think there is a technical reason, just that davidz wanted to avoid introducing a new core package 5 minutes before the merge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">there haven't been any substantial changes in gcc/binutils land, only incremental improvements and fixes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mclasen: spliting of the *source* package?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">yes, it is a separate tarball</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">since FC6. What would help is if people start building stuff where possible with -Bsymbolic-functions etc., but guess that's F8 material</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">mclasen: split the binary package and worry about splitting the source package later?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">notting: the whole point is to have independently buildable packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">post-merge, some packages will want to rebuild to pick up deps that used to be in Extras, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: although the big one there is KDE and we may merge that very soon now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">do we have a special process for these items, or do we just keep hand stamping them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think all it would take is dropping the bluecurve libs out of redhat-artwork</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: hand stamping I'm afraid, unless somebody comes up with something better</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">spot shrugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">where do we stand on build capacity?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: We've got one x86 builder coming in and mmcgrath was pricing out a ppc builder</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mmcgrath: status?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">I set a follow up to nate about 15 minutes ago about the ppc builder.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: with both of those builders on line we should be able to merge core/extras and limp along until we can deploy the blade center.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e">mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">AFAIK the x86_64 builder is bought but I'll double check that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">rdieter is hamering on redhat-artwork right now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, back to the freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I plan on creating the tag at some point tomorrow, probably in the afternoon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at the same time I'll start the signing process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll have a test compose from tonights rawhide, hopefully synced to RDU in some way, but there are disk space issues there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">hope the ppc builder won't be even slower than the current sloooowish blade</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm on a plane all of the 18th (Wed) and I'm not sure when I"ll get online on the 19th</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: does it make sense to start the signing process like say tonight? since most of the packages won't then have changed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: and then we can get a real test tree sooner</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: depends on if anybody can look at it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: I mean I have a tree right now that people could look at.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">notting tends to get woken up every 3-4 hours :P</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">notting: heh ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">its just a matter of respinning to pick up the day's builds</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: once the signing is done, that spin will take a while as we have to wait for all the signed packages to replace the unsigned ones in my cache</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: yeah, but I want to minimize testing of trees that aren't signed packages. since we know it's not going to be it and thus is less useful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and signing takes a while, so I should actually start signing today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh wait</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I misread "start the signing process" as "start the spinning process"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, I can start signing earlier.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">then in theory, we can have a real tree spun not long after freezing and have stuff to test while you're plane-bound :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">er, theoretically</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos reminds here a request from L10n to repackage the stuff we translate before F7 and (if possible) before T4 as well to test.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">guess that depends on how late I stay up tonight feeding the gpg key in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">glezos: please send something to fedora-maintainers so that everyone sees it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">tibbs</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">Any chance of someone looking at the cdrkit issue?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">jeremy, OK, although I guess someone should check if it was done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: if we're going to do that I'll have to start the freeze earlier in the day, to give a chance to get final signatures in, + distill it, + pungi it, + sync it to rdu</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">tibbs: we'll get to that subject. We're still on the freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">we're still doing distill trees?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657">tibbs</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">Sorry, thought that was done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I use distill to get the signed packages out of the build system and into a multilib yum repo that pungi can work from</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: alternately, if you document the process clearly, i could do it in your absense.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: all the more reason we should start signing stuff (+ getting syncs started) sooner. if you don't get back until mid-afternoon on Thursday in Washington, then that's the end of the day here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ideally the RC tree spun tomorrow would be enough to find the show stopper bugs, with a respin perhaps on Thursday, which might be good to send to mirrors then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">you are being *way* too optimistic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: yeah, documenting it clearly may take up just as much time as doing it :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I've been spinning trees already. We're not being hit by any compose tool issue which is often the slow down</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: perhaps, but you can do that in advance. ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: ah. I'd be interested to hear plans for doing rawhide with pungi instead.. but that's probably a different meeting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: post-merge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, any further discussion on Freeze/Schedule before moving on to tree status?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">naturally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">just to be clear: the merge is happening pre-T4?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: if it's just sign_unsigned in a screen, people can prod it occasionally</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">or are we not having a merged test release?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I don't think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">there are still a few broken deps and EVR issues.. I will try proding the holdouts soon.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if by people you mean you and jeremy? Does anybody else know the key?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so no merged test release? that makes me sad.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: the package content wouldn't be any different.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: the composes of F7 from day 1 have made use of packages both in Core and Extras</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">f13: does the status of the targeted F7 Features affect the schedule?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13 has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Team Meeting -- Test status of current trees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">thl</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">f13, but some new deps might get tracked in when new "core" stuff ges rebuilds against stuff in extras (but that shouldn't mattter much)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">poelcat: generally, no. fedora releases are time based, not feature based</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">poelcat: if a feature isn't ready, then it just doesn't maek the release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: if the feature is not ready, dropo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: ave they? because some stuff (e.g. sound-juicer) lacks features because of missing builddeps on Extras packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: this topic is right up your alley.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: there are some package features that are missing yes, but we are taking into account both package trees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">Okay, so we've said that stuff gets a pass?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*** Topic Test status of current trees ***</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: how do our trees look?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so we are going to allow rebuilds of stuff to pull in new 'features' from extras, which creates churn during a freeze, which makes me wish for test releases.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">The trees look pretty solid - most of the bugs being reported most frequently will be fixed in t4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">on all arches?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I am most concerned about the pata/libata changeover</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">jeremy: do we have a summary of which features are in/out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">there are a lot of weird bugs centering around that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: if you could round up any of those, and send a summary to me,alan and jgarzik, that would help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: Either we give them a pass, or we just don't allow those rebuilds at all for F7. But we're not going to slip any more or have another test release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">many of the reports don't contain enough info for them to be properly tracked / duped</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and we don't have the hardware to reproduce</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">davej: yeah, I'd be happy to.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">actually I was thinking we should have a big sata/pata bug day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm pretty concerned about iwlwifi and the e1000 stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">hopefully with the assistance of chuck or davej</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">iwlwifi needs love. e1k I'm probably going to revert to 2.6.20</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: i've heard iwlwifi is getting much better recently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">davej: the sooner we do that, the better.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hopefully that'll fix the lockups</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spot: 'today'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and linville says there's a pretty big chunk of fixes coming down the pipe RSN</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">is iwlwifi the new intel code?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">wwoods: it was getting better, and then got updated and regressed again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">blizzard: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">davej: 2.6.20-1.2933.fc6 is solid as a rock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">for the 3945?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">blizzard: yeah, for 3945</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">ahh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">extra points for trying early!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161">blizzard</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">for intel!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so.. yeah, it might be that the new fixes/features destabilized it, and it will get hammered back into shape RSN</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">I think for iwlwifi, going forward with it in test4 and trying to get stuff happy is the right approach. and then if we're not comfortable with it closer to the final freeze, we just turn it off</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">poelcat: off the top of my head: out: boot/shutdown, customdistro (as written) fix wakeups, newinit, syslogng, texlive</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">linville seems to think that it's going to be OK for release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">poelcat: not really... need to go through the list at some point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: codecbuddy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: is out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: we haven't seen a package yet in the repos and well it's test 4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">jeremy: i'd be glad to go through it and ping people</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">and then update wiki pages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">poelcat: sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">poelcat: yeah, it'd be excellent if someone went through and got the final disposition of all the features for F7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: if you're going to ping people, it's more of "Is this done?" not a "please get this done". It's too late for things that aren't done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and we can defer things to F8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: codecbuddy has been delayed to death...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">and any others we know are DOA would save me some time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">f13: understood :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">anything that isn't nearly fully-baked now is too late</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mclasen: obviously. We'll try again for F8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">poelcat: in: fast-user-switching, fds, everything, kde, prime, targeted spins, firewire, libata, livecd, nouveau, rpm/yum, wireless, tickless, pungi, firmware, smolt</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">mclasen</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: we'll see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">davej: what's a good day for you to keep an eye on IRC when needed to help people triage kernel bugs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">What I don't necessarily want to see is these missed features just being tossed in as updates to F7, as that somewhat misses the point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: anything other than today/tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">someday we need to have a serious discussion about adding features to a released distro</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">nirik wonders if x86_64 is also tickless now? or just i386? what about ppc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">wwoods: indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nirik: no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">nirik: just i386 afaik</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nirik: just 32bit x86</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">davej: friday is traditional, so if that works for you</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yeah, thats going to be a "fun" conversation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: sounds like a plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">davej: bummer. Any news of when the others might go? we should make sure and mark that feature as 'i386' only...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">rawhide is (still) installable right now, which is always a good sign</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, making it clear that it's i386 only would help</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: automated testing, is that still happening?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nirik: not sure, I sent a mail to the tickless developers yesterday asking about x86-64, but no word back yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nirik: afaik, the code isn't written yet, so it's not even in -mm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">nirik: though I've not looked there in a while, so I could be wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b">nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">davej: :( So, looking like no way for f7 then. ;(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">thl</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">nirik, tickeless x86_64 is afaik waiting for 2.6.22 to open</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nirik: I certainly wouldn't want to take any as of yet unwritten code in.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: the old KATE code is still running and still manages to test the distill-built trees</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">extremely unlikely. It's a pretty big change.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4">thl</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">nirik, the developer told be that three weeks ago</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: I had a long conversation with a patent lawyer Friday about SNAKE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: cool. Keep us informed of the nightly status would you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">we're on track to have that released around May 3</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I'm working on a rawhide doom-o-meter</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: current status: Elmo.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">actually a whole dashboard status page - notting pointed me at the sources for the EVR reports and build reports</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: what would you like folks to be focused on for the next few days?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">for testing? tracking down sata and other disk-related bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and how are we going to communicate that...)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and.. oh god, upgrades from FC6</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">"doesn't boot" bugs should be getting priority right now wrt kernel bugs.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was just going to ask that (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">... and fc5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">basically it's all been fingers-crossed hopefulness and most of my test cases Just Work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">upgrades are going to suck I think big time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">but I'm sure there's a million people with mutant weirdo setups, not using filesystem labels</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">especially if people use the Prime^WFedora spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">whose systems are going to explode in fiery halls of unpleasant death and shoutiness</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">upgrades *need* to work, and this is our last chance to test them well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so yeah, upgrades need to be tested *hard*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">perhaps a plea to the mailing list for "odd" cases?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">especially wrt the disk controllers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: any thoughts on upgrades?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9">glezos</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">let's make sure in the F8 announcement we mention this big change.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: there's one really ugly outstanding case. clumens is working on it. I think we really need to have the fix for it in test4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh, speaking of disk controllers, there's an outstanding mkinitrd bug, which hoses scsi. that *must* be fixed for test4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">davej tries to find bug id</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">basically we need to work on categorizing and grouping the existing pata/sata bug reports and make a call for anyone with funky hardware to come report bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the Fedora spin (yes we're renaming it) should have most the packages from FC6 on it, but I'm sure some things are missing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">220470</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: if you have a current tree, it should be easy enough to diff package lists</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: is there any way to add additional repos when doing an upgrade?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">and then we also need to test the sweet fancy moses out of upgrades from FC{5,6}</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: because a diff won't help folks that have Extras packages installed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: nope. but the post-upgrade update will catch those</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: can you take care of communicating that to the masses, as well as making sure that makes it into the test release announcement?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: k, the system will just be a bit messy until that's done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">who writes the test release announcements, and where do they pull info from?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">f13: yeah. same as it's always been</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">or rather, who's gonna do the test4 one? we kinda switch itup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">wwoods: are you volunteering to write it? ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I did 1/2, Jeremy did 3, you could do 4!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is there a test4 blocker bug? Or just the GA one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: just the GA one at this point, which is kind of a joke</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">I'm volunteering to write the "known issues and testing focus" bit at the very least</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: "BLocking Bugs" is the next topic.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">if you want me to write the test4 announcement I'm OK with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">quaid: Do the docs guys want a crack at writing a test release announcement?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: looks like you're "it" unless somebody takes it off your hand.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I used a wiki page for the template, I don't recall off the top of my head wha tpage it was, but ping me after and I'll find it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: okay, will do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Anything else on the Test status of current trees before we move on to "Blocker Bugs" ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">*</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13 has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Team Meeting -- Blocking bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">f13: size of live isos?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62">quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">f13: not me personally :), but we could drop a request to f-docs-l</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We don't have test4 blocker bugs right now. I'm somewhat reluctant to create them as blocker bugs usually get abused.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: working on it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=150226">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=150226</a> is the big blocker for FC7</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: at least on saving 70MB out of it or so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">bukaj: the locale-archive duplication?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If we did create a blocker bug, we (the release team) would have to manage the heck out of it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">normally we create a TreeTesting page on the wiki to track the stuff we need find for testX</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jeremy: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">notting: we fit for the desktop i386 one last week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm almost wondering if we'd rather have a limited editable wiki page to list the "blockers" for test4</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so it serves as a blocker list, and the stuff that doesn't get fixed turns into the "known issues" list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">notting: haven't tried yet this morning (waiting on the molasses slow mirror process)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">e.g. <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test3TreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test3TreeTesting</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: right, something like that, although more clear as "these are the blockers"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jeremy: hopefully will start testing in an hour or two, so that it could make it into tonight's glibc build</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: becuase we let anybody in EditGroup touch those Test pages.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">f13: ah, I understand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">bukaj: awesome</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555">jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">bukaj: I'll watch for it and test it out :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I want to get the opinions of those actualy handling the bugs.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">"pcspkr beep is WAY too loud." how the hell did that get on the blocker list? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">bukaj</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jeremy: yeah, testers will be appreciated</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Would ya'all prefer a real bugzilla blocker bug, or some other way to track the actual blockers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">WWLinuxEngineering@dell.com, eh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">davej: anybody can add whatever they want to the Blocker bug, we don't have any real policing of it. No blocker meetings of doom like RHEL</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b">notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">davej: warren added that, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: needs to have someone doing a regular sweep-n-clear I guess.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">davej</