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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-07-30

F8 Test 1 Status

1. 247863 is not; but I do believe we can find somebody with time to bang out a fix for this in short order. So while not a blocker, I'd really like to see this fixed as it is very visible. 1. 249597 is totally blocker (insta-reboot issue) 1. 249908 (adding extra repo at install time) not a blocker, just a /really/ nice to have. 1. 250047 is fixed with new policy, just need to clicky the buttons 1. 250130 is no pata support on ppc mac minis (potentially more ppc32 hardware).

Summary: Decision as to whether we need to slip Fedora 8 Test 1 will be made tomorrow.

Fedora 8 Test 1 - What to deliver

1. Fedora installable spin

1. Fedora {i386,x86_64} Live image 1. KDE {i386,x86_64 Live} image 1. Everything tree will be provided by standard Rawhide ("development") locations

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<tr id="t13:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: poelcat: warren: rdieter: wwoods: jwb_gone: spot: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy is on vacation,</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here (still)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ooh, /me notices rdieter here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so Test 1 status.  Doom-o-meter is scary high</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Dell; still b0rked.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren here</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ppc ide; b0rked.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">not just confined to Dell anymore - someone reported the same problem on a toshiba laptop</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Any bug # for the Dell issue?  Do we have ANY idea what's going on?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wheee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: x86 setup code was rewritten post-2.6.22</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">adding external repos at install time; b0rked (clumens is working on it now)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods, so in-kernel definitely?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: in the ui, or in the backend (does ks work?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: definitely. bug #249597</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">firstboot; b0rked in multiple ways (non-fatal traceback; won't launch if rhgb doesn't run)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: haven't tried ks.  In the UI there is a traceback when it starts to add package objects to the transaction set.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We didn't have an installable rawhide until yesterday, we /still/ don't have an installable ppc rawhide, but those 4 users wouldn't notice anyway.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do we have installable ppc test trees/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Can I propose that the pre-Test1 freeze for each release from now on be, like, two weeks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Because damn.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">on reducto and on koji.fp.o/rel-eng/trees/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: surely part of the solution is to start testing pre-freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: not a /horrible/ idea, but sucks as developers to have non-critical devel/ builds stagnate.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting: indeed, indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yes.  I thought I was doing testing, but obviously not sufficient enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was keeping the tool working, rather than testing the output (which is also important)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that and changing the toolchain after the freeze Did Not Help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">On the plus side, on Friday the Live images stuff still looked pretty good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">including installation from them.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah we really need to be doing nightly install tests on rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it is unavoidable. Once we cram t1 out the door I'm gonna set that up again.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right now clumens may have fixed nfs-iso method, and is working on the adding repos thing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">(err work on setting that up again)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">after that I may have him raise the bar for doing boot.iso gui http installs as I can reliably freeze a box with 256 megs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's not a high priority though so any new anaconda fun will go in front of that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh wait, we should have him poke at firstboot instead.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">firstboot traceback is a s-c-securitylevel bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: there are other problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">looks like a fairly easy patch but nobody seems to have gotten around to it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like, it can't launch an X of it's own if rhgb didn't launch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">really? great.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and not for the same reasons we just fixed rhgb for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13, do we have any affected Dell machines in the office?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: cebbert has one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is rather fitting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh cebbert is in the "boston" office? cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we need a couple decisions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to figure out which of these problems are full-stop release blockers, and if so, what our deadline is to have them fixed before we introduce slippage.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F8Test1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F8Test1</a> for those of you keeping score at home.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we can easily come up with the point of no return for slippage, and that would be having it fixed tonight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to spin trees early morning, and even that is cutting it close.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(also we need some consensus on what all we're going to deliver, but we'll get to that)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so, examining the old standby <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sorry back, connection died</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">test release bare-minimum is: boot and install on all arches, yum upgrade works, no data corruptors, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and currently we don't boot on a whole mess of machines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, that is definitely a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">technically, though, firstboot is not part of our current release criteria</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bug 247863 is not; but I do believe we can find somebody with time to bang out a fix for this in short order.  So while not a blocker, I"d really like to see this fixed as it is very visible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'd suggest we might change the criteria in that area though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">249597 is totally blocker (insta-reboot issue)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">249908 (adding extra repo at install time) not a blocker, just a /really/ nice to have.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">250047 is fixed with new policy, just need to clicky the buttons</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and 250130 is no pata support on ppc mac minis (potentially more ppc32 hardware).  While technically could be considered a blocker, I think the vast amounts of users that would be effected by this can just suffer.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does anybody else have any other opinions regarding the above bugs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, we're waiting in 249597. so, i'm not sure any of the others need to be moved off the blocker as long as that's the case</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">249908 is final-blocker, not a test-blocker.. technically ppc is still a first-class arch so 250130 would probably be a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: no, I'm not moving any off, but I just want to set the expectation that if the insta-reboot gets fixed, we're not going to hold up on any of the other nonblockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but yeah, it's all moot because 249597 is a full-fledged stop-the-presses blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(there is a reason the tracker is just 'F8Test1' and not 'F8Test1Blockers'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but obviously if we can't fix 249597 today, we're slipping.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so let's talk firstboot - we've got *two* bugs now? can't start its own X, and the s-c-securitylevel traceback?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: right.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes.  Arguably the traceback isn't a firstboot bug, just one triggered /by/ firstboot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I should hope it would be pretty straight forward to fix s-c-securitylevel.  Obviously the maintainer isn't paying attention to anything (perhaps time to ring somebody's bell?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right, yes, it's not a firstboot but, but it prevents firstboot from running</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">err "firstboot bug, but..."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: no it doesn't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">aroo? it did for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: you click "ok" or whatever on the error popup and firstboot continues on happily</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">huh! didn't know that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mea culpa then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's still pug ugly and we'll get a shitton of email/bugreports/nastygrams about it so we should fix it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, I'd like to poke the s-c-securitylevel maintainer about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">failing that, notting can you pinch-hit here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it seems like we'll be slipping for the dell bug anyway so we might have a window to fix the firstboot problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: for? twoerner?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">afaik, he's around somewhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if that's the owner of s-c-securitylevel yes.  I'm a bit peeved that this hasn't been fixed yet, but I don't know what his current workload is.  What would have been useful is dropping a note that he couldn't fix it in time, get somebody else to look at it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey good, clumens duped the problem when using an added repo at install time.  There is potential for a fix there.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: have you tracked him down on irc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: no, I've bene chasing other fires.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">what about the firstboot-cant-start-X thing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do we have someone on that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">bug#?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that's where we're at.  I'm going to poke a bit at firstboot to look at why it can't launch X ( at least get some logging out of it )</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: is that filed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I don't think so.  I probably should once I figure out how it's actually not happening</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: righteous. I'm sure I'll get mail when you add it to the tracker. Lemme know if you need help reproducing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'm probably gonna mess around with PPC installs some more - the tree on koji.fp.o is up-to-date, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and it looks like twoerner is actually working on s-c-sl right now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes, that's what I spun yesterday and there were no package changes since then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to spin again this evening with the things we've fixed so far and sync that up too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to:  Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1 - What to deliver</td><td><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So for Fedora 7, we did a different content set each test release as we were feeling our way toward the final set which was the Fedora spins, and a set of Everything repos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ideally, from a 'getting bits spun and in place' for the test release we'd just do the Fedora spin and rely upon rawhide as our 'Everything' tree.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and for our debuginfo tree)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sounds reasonable.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">"Everything" is a checkbox during anaconda?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'd still probably have to spin source isos for the FEdora spin for those pesky legal reasons but...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: not there currently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: probably want to land the ability to use mirrorlists in anaconda add repos first</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and there are some interesting side effects to adding a second repo that duplicates a lot of the content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like, what repo is yum going to pull the packages from?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">seth has got a 'priorities' like plugin that I need to test that we'd want to use in anaconda to ensure that the main repo (install method) is used for all possible packages, only going to add-on repos for things not available in the main repo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter likes the sound of that.</td><td><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, can be quite the useful little plugin.  Originally I wanted it for mock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'm finding other places where it would be really useful.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Does anybody see a reason why we should deliver anything more than 'Fedora installable spin i386,x86_64,ppc + source, Fedora i386,x86_64 Live image, and KDE i386,x86_64 Live image'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sounds fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Someday we should talk about delivering just live media, in two sizes (CD and DVD). But not now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the only possible addition would be Everything spin? (or something else?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: that has deep hurt until you can do upgrades from Live</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: yeah, Everything is what's missing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><@twoerner> jk_meeting: 1.7.0-4_fc8 is building</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*ROCK*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to:  Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1 - Open Discussion'</td><td><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: what was summary on last topic?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else related to Test1 that anybody would like to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: rel-eng will deliver for Test1 'Fedora installable spin i386,x86_64,ppc + source, Fedora i386,x86_64 Live image, and KDE i386,x86_64 Live image'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: thanks!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: right, that's the "someday"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: with a side note "Everything tree will be provided by standard Rawhide locations"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If there's nothing else I'd like to call the meeting and get back to work.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Any objections?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we should have that as a checkbox in the "additional repo" list for test2 and on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: as stated before, we need a few things first; support for mirror lists; priority plugin to prevent you from skipping local media and downloading everything off the net</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: not totally unreasonable, and I'd consider throwing up a Feature page for this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or some other way of tracking it, yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: what was recap for first topic?... wait and see how tonight looks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we're blocked on the Dell bug, which won't be fixed tonight, so we'll be using this window to try to get fixes in for the other tracked issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: yes, decision on slipping will be made tomorrow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat attempts to publish minutes in near-real-time for a change</td><td><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: awesome.  Thank you again so much for this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: you're welcome :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
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