| f13
| ping: poelcat notting jeremy jwb spot rdieter warren wwoods lmacken
| 10:03
|
| jwb
| here
| 10:03
|
| jeremy
| hi
| 10:03
|
| * spot is here
| 10:04
|
| * poelcat here
| 10:04
|
| poelcat
| f13: i have one agenda item--quick schedule sanity review
| 10:05
|
| poelcat
| i recently added some more detail and want to make stuff is land on the right days
| 10:05
|
| poelcat
| i found a few that weren't and fixed them
| 10:05
|
| f13
| this would be the full view on your people page?
| 10:06
|
| poelcat
| current version: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
| 10:06
|
| zodbot
| <http://tinyurl.com/6qyfg6> (at poelstra.fedorapeople.org)
| 10:06
|
| * f13 looks
| 10:07
|
| * warren here but on the phone
| 10:07
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Updated schedule http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
| 10:07
|
| * wwoods here
| 10:08
|
| f13
| poelcat: what all did you change?
| 10:09
|
| poelcat
| poelcat: added snapshots
| 10:09
|
| f13
| everything seems OK, although I'm a bit dubious about snapshot1 coming just 2 days after the Beta release
| 10:09
|
| jeremy
| agreed
| 10:10
|
| poelcat
| f13: that might be a mistake... I can drop that one
| 10:10
|
| f13
| yeah, I'd prefer we drop that one
| 10:10
|
| poelcat
| and final devel freeze is 30-sept which I had wrong on the wiki version
| 10:10
|
| jeremy
| poelcat: it's not a mistake if you lookat how it falls out. it's just something that might not make much sense (distractions, etc)
| 10:10
|
| poelcat
| f13: will do
| 10:10
|
| poelcat
| jeremy: well there were three for F9.. and i found a way to fit in four for f10 :)
| 10:11
|
| f13
| thanks
| 10:11
|
| f13
| anybody unhappy with the snapshot additions (minus removing snapshot 1)?
| 10:13
|
| f13
| seems like no, we approve those changes.
| 10:14
|
| poelcat
| http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
| 10:14
|
| zodbot
| <http://tinyurl.com/6qyfg6> (at poelstra.fedorapeople.org)
| 10:14
|
| poelcat
| updated
| 10:14
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F10
| 10:14
|
| f13
| .rel 24
| 10:14
|
| zodbot
| f13: #24 (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/24
| 10:15
|
| f13
| er
| 10:15
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9
| 10:15
|
| jlaska
| f13: snapshot#1 might be right after beta release, but it is more than 2 wks after the beta freeze.
| 10:15
|
| f13
| so the spins have been up for a couple weeks.
| 10:15
|
| f13
| jlaska: while that's true, trying to get a snapshot staged, and actually into people's hands two days after beta releases is going to be tough.
| 10:15
|
| f13
| jlaska: also, it'll likely take more than a week to stabalize after all the hidden updates flood rawhide post-freeze
| 10:16
|
| f13
| anywho, back to topic.
| 10:16
|
| f13
| I haven't seen any reports good/bad on the spins. I suggest we ping the spin owners and ask for a go/nogo on upgrading the "beta" to "final" for those spins.
| 10:16
|
| f13
| jwb: would you be able to take this back on?
| 10:16
|
| * jwb nods
| 10:17
|
| jlaska
| f13: that will drop the total number of snaps to 3 ... should we instead keep 4 and push out a week?
| 10:17
|
| mether
| f13: the only that I have significantly tested along with others is Xfce. It should be ready to go
| 10:17
|
| nirik
| it's worked fine for me here in my testing as well (The Xfce)
| 10:18
|
| jwb
| these are the F9 spins right?
| 10:18
|
| jeremy
| f13: sounds good to me
| 10:18
|
| mether
| yes
| 10:18
|
| jwb
| k
| 10:18
|
| f13
| jlaska: I can create a snapshot that friday for "internal" testing, I just don't want to muddy the public waters by pushing it out there.
| 10:18
|
| jwb
| we need to talk about the F10 spins soon
| 10:18
|
| poelcat
| jwb: yes... i'm confused on what to do w/ the feature pages... they are stuck in my queue
| 10:19
|
| f13
| what spins have been proposed?
| 10:19
|
| jwb
| i've not seen any come into rel-eng yet
| 10:19
|
| f13
| and are they ready for us to review/vote? (essentially would they be ready for FESCo if they were other features)
| 10:20
|
| f13
| wait.
| 10:20
|
| f13
| lets move that topic later, after we get through the tickets.
| 10:20
|
| jwb
| k
| 10:20
|
| jeremy
| which, speaking of spins for f10 -- the live image configs are moved as of today (mail forthcoming when I get to it) to the spin-kickstarts repo rather than being in livecd-tools itself
| 10:20
|
| f13
| jwb: can you update/take ownership of ticket 24 once more?
| 10:20
|
| jwb
| yes
| 10:20
|
| f13
| ok, moving on.
| 10:20
|
| f13
| well. that was silly, no other tickets there.
| 10:21
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F10 Beta
| 10:21
|
| f13
| I need to create the various action tickets for the Beta release.
| 10:21
|
| f13
| the process started today with a heads up mail to fedora-devel-announce warning people of hte freeze, requesting people be careful with risky changes from here on out, and to do some beta readiness checking.
| 10:21
|
| f13
| I'm going to be producing full trees again (once we have a working anaconda) to see where we are with things that failed in Alpha, and to look for regressions
| 10:22
|
| f13
| this will be a blocking freeze, so we need to make every effort to have as short of a freeze as possible, which means putting in time now, rather than after the freeze
| 10:22
|
| f13
| as far as schedule goes, I don't necessarily have any immediate reasons to adjust the beta schedule, but I've asked sigs/groups/feature owners/etc... to reflect upon where their area of interest is at right now, and if more (reasonable) time would be useful.
| 10:26
|
| f13
| Fesco/board et al meet this week and should also consider any schedule changes.
| 10:26
|
| f13
| anything further on Beta before we move on to spins?
| 10:27
|
| wwoods
| F10 feature window closing. You know what that means: F11 feature window opens
| 10:28
|
| wwoods
| heh
| 10:28
|
| f13
| right, I hinted at that.
| 10:28
|
| * jeremy prefers people to think about f10 features at the moment :)
| 10:28
|
| f13
| ok, lets move on.
| 10:29
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Spins
| 10:29
|
| jwb
| yeah
| 10:29
|
| wwoods
| yeah but we just need to remember to get that across for the inevitable complaints about how we maliciously dropped pet-feature-X
| 10:29
|
| jwb
| so poelcat you have F10 spins feature pages?
| 10:29
|
| wwoods
| but yes. move on,.
| 10:29
|
| f13
| poelcat: you mentioned you had some spins in your queue, are any ready to be presented to releng?
| 10:29
|
| jeremy
| as I said above, kickstart configs for default spins have now moved
| 10:29
|
| f13
| or do you need info from releng about what makes them "ready" ?
| 10:29
|
| f13
| jeremy: this is good. Where would I attach myself to get change notifications of this repo?
| 10:29
|
| jeremy
| f13: looks like spin-kickstarts-commits@lists.fedorahosted
| 10:30
|
| * warren back
| 10:30
|
| poelcat
| f13: just a sec
| 10:31
|
| f13
| bah, what's the mailman url to that?
| 10:31
|
| jeremy
| f13: dunno :)
| 10:31
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BrOffice.orgSpin
| 10:32
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationSpin
| 10:32
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
| 10:32
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XfceSpin
| 10:32
|
| * poelcat is unclear what the critiera for reviewing them is
| 10:32
|
| f13
| poelcat: these are all ready for review?
| 10:32
|
| f13
| poelcat: "ready for FESCo" works for me
| 10:32
|
| jwb
| poelcat, use the same criteria you would with actual Features
| 10:32
|
| f13
| rather "same criteria you'd use to decide a normal feature is ready for FESCo"
| 10:32
|
| jwb
| just send them to rel-eng instead
| 10:32
|
| poelcat
| okay
| 10:33
|
| poelcat
| so, yes, I believe these are all ready
| 10:33
|
| f13
| ok.
| 10:34
|
| * f13 goes to look at the first one.
| 10:34
|
| jwb
| i'm confused
| 10:35
|
| jwb
| why are they debranding the whole spin?
| 10:36
|
| jwb
| # Needed for spin debranding
| 10:37
|
| jwb
| sed -i -e 's/Fedora/Generic/g' /etc/fedora-release
| 10:37
|
| jwb
| that seems unnecessary if they've gotten Board approval...
| 10:37
|
| jeremy
| but it's needed prior to approval
| 10:38
|
| f13
| this also seems like just desire to get releng/board approval on the trademark, not to actually have us produce the spin.
| 10:38
|
| jwb
| why are we reviewing spins that don't have Board approval
| 10:38
|
| f13
| jwb: what's the proper order of approval?
| 10:39
|
| jwb
| Board, Spins SIG, Rel-Eng
| 10:39
|
| jwb
| yes?
| 10:39
|
| f13
| jwb: releng has to sign off on it technically, board has to sign off on it politically
| 10:39
|
| jwb
| kanarip, ping?
| 10:39
|
| f13
| one would think it starts as low as possible and works up, rather than the inverse.
| 10:39
|
| jwb
| then Spins SIG would be the first stop
| 10:39
|
| kanarip
| jwb, pong
| 10:39
|
| f13
| kanarip: question on the ordering of spin approvals
| 10:40
|
| jwb
| kanarip, for Spins... what is the order of approval?
| 10:40
|
| kanarip
| i just dropped a big note with a couple of exclamation marks to the spins list about the beta freeze
| 10:40
|
| jwb
| kanarip, should spins get approval in this order:
| 10:40
|
| jwb
| Spins SIG, Board, Rel-Eng
| 10:41
|
| jwb
| or?
| 10:41
|
| kanarip
| we as a sig are going to have to sign off on spins technically, they need board approval for trademark usage, then they can become features under the regular FESCo procedures
| 10:41
|
| jwb
| well, except FESCo delegated that last step to Rel-Eng
| 10:41
|
| jwb
| so seems Spins SIG, Board, Rel-Eng
| 10:41
|
| kanarip
| in this case, I can imagine FESCo will ask rel-eng/spin sig about anything related to releasing/spin concepts in that order?
| 10:41
|
| kanarip
| let me link you to the thread...
| 10:42
|
| kanarip
| http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2008-August/000048.html
| 10:42
|
| zodbot
| <http://tinyurl.com/6n2mmr> (at lists.fedoraproject.org)
| 10:42
|
| f13
| kanarip: is the process flow documented in the wiki somewhere, and has the spins sig already approved the BRoffice.org spin?
| 10:42
|
| kanarip
| this is what i said so it's basically also what the spin maintainers are going to have to live with *evilgrin*
| 10:42
|
| kanarip
| broffice.org.ks is not yet approved
| 10:43
|
| jwb
| ok, well that answers that
| 10:43
|
| jwb
| :)
| 10:43
|
| kanarip
| i'm planning on getting it through the process tomorrow
| 10:43
|
| jwb
| ok cool
| 10:43
|
| f13
| kanarip: side note, it seems the package that broffice.org wants to focus on isn't even in the distro yet
| 10:43
|
| f13
| kanarip: so I'm somewhat skeptical that the broffice.org spin will make it
| 10:43
|
| jwb
| sounds like we can come back to this next week or later...
| 10:43
|
| kanarip
| f13, note taken ;-)
| 10:43
|
| kanarip
| you guys have a mailing list at rel-eng@lists.fp.o as well, right?
| 10:44
|
| f13
| ok, the next three are spin approved
| 10:44
|
| poelcat
| feature freeze is 2008-08-19... do all spins have to be proposed/accepted by then?
| 10:44
|
| f13
| poelcat: yes
| 10:44
|
| jwb
| poelcat, yes
| 10:44
|
| kanarip
| poelcat, yes and they better have a feature page as well
| 10:44
|
| f13
| kanarip: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/rel-eng
| 10:44
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationSpin
| 10:45
|
| * kanarip subscribed now
| 10:45
|
| poelcat
| kanarip: is there a wiki page summarizing all this?
| 10:45
|
| kanarip
| poelcat, /me diggs up the link
| 10:45
|
| kanarip
| poelcat, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/SpinSubmissionProcess
| 10:46
|
| zodbot
| <http://tinyurl.com/5pdzqf> (at fedoraproject.org)
| 10:46
|
| kanarip
| i see how the consecutive process is a little vague on that page btw
| 10:46
|
| f13
| ok, Education spin, I like it in general, I want to be clear on what it should be named (label of the iso and the name of the .iso file both)
| 10:47
|
| kanarip
| Education Math please
| 10:47
|
| f13
| also, I think if we're going to produce it, it should be mentioned in the release notes, and the documentation should be "why would somebody use this spin".
| 10:47
|
| f13
| I'm going to make these notes on the discussion page.
| 10:47
|
| jwb
| f13, agreed
| 10:47
|
| mether
| how is the educational spin related to http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27610.html
| 10:47
|
| f13
| otherwise (given the spin sig's pre-technical approval) I give this a +1
| 10:47
|
| warren
| mether: not related at all
| 10:48
|
| jwb
| mether, it's not?
| 10:48
|
| kanarip
| mether, something different entirely
| 10:48
|
| mether
| ok
| 10:48
|
| jwb
| +1
| 10:48
|
| kanarip
| warren, care to submit that to the spin sig nonetheless? ;-)
| 10:48
|
| warren
| I suppose I could.
| 10:48
|
| kanarip
| warren, at the very least it'll give you a central repository to maintain the kickstart in
| 10:48
|
| kanarip
| warren, that is, if you're not going for all the formal approval and releasing and all that
| 10:49
|
| f13
| any other thoughts about the education spin?
| 10:49
|
| f13
| spot: jeremy: votes ?
| 10:50
|
| f13
| wwoods: you too, any qa thoughts?
| 10:50
|
| jeremy
| the education spin could use a little bit of thought on naming just to avoid questions about how it overlaps with, eg, ltsp
| 10:50
|
| wwoods
| bluh. the test plans are terrible.
| 10:51
|
| kanarip
| jeremy, +1, that's why its education-math.ks, to be named "Education Math" as well
| 10:51
|
| jeremy
| kanarip: yeah, the feature page is the main place where the confusion exists I think
| 10:51
|
| wwoods
| I'm gonna need to ask some pointed questions in the Talk: sections of those pages, I think
| 10:51
|
| kanarip
| i'm not sure where i can document this properly but i've discussed it with the maintainer on-list, fwiw
| 10:52
|
| f13
| wwoods: are you willing to accept it as a featured spin of F10, provided you can work with them on the test plan?
| 10:52
|
| wwoods
| mostly "what exactly are you doing" and "how are you doing it" and "who is doing this 'cuz it's not me"
| 10:52
|
| kanarip
| jeremy, ok, /me dropping a note to the maintainer
| 10:52
|
| * spot is +1
| 10:52
|
| jeremy
| but it's reasonable to me in general, so +1
| 10:52
|
| wwoods
| assuming that the owner is willing to accept responsibility for testing (or designate a tester), sure
| 10:53
|
| f13
| ok.
| 10:53
|
| wwoods
| I'll totally help work out a good test plan but we do not have the resources to test spins, nor would I be real happy about releasing untested code
| 10:53
|
| f13
| poelcat: Decision: releng approves the Education Math spin as a featured spin for F10. Feedback has been and will be provided in the feature page
| 10:54
|
| kanarip
| wwoods, this is one of the things they kinda accept as well as being on the receiving end of bugs for the remainder of the lifecycle
| 10:54
|
| kanarip
| it's implicit acceptance though, not explicit
| 10:55
|
| wwoods
| kanarip: exactly. I want explicit acceptance of that fact
| 10:55
|
| f13
| poelcat: also, once the tracker bug has been created for this feature, can we list said bug in the feature page?
| 10:55
|
| wwoods
| "Yes, I will test my own spin", followed by at least a broad definition of what testing will be performed
| 10:56
|
| warren
| regarding educational spin
| 10:56
|
| warren
| My live image right now is almost 1GB without all the educational apps installed.
| 10:56
|
| warren
| It kind of makes sense to do both in the same image
| 10:56
|
| warren
| but it is going to get freaking huge.
| 10:57
|
| f13
| warren: size might not matter if they're running on lab machines
| 10:57
|
| warren
| And maybe it is not a good idea to do both in the same image
| 10:57
|
| warren
| because there are a lot of users who want LTSP without the edu stuff.
| 10:57
|
| f13
| live images are just convenient as a medium to deliver
| 10:57
|
| f13
| ok, lets move on to the next spin.
| 10:58
|
| warren
| f13: in this case live ltsp server is convenient as the easiest way to install it
| 10:58
|
| jwb
| i need to bail for another meeting. as for XFCE and Games, i think both are probably OK but the pages need updating...
| 10:58
|
| jwb
| only 10% done?
| 10:58
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
| 10:58
|
| f13
| jwb: thanks.
| 10:58
|
| f13
| warren: for places using ltsp sure
| 10:58
|
| kanarip
| is there a todo for these spins?
| 10:58
|
| warren
| f13: nod
| 10:58
|
| f13
| kanarip: can you expand upon that question?
| 10:59
|
| kanarip
| well, with 10% completion you'd think a Games SIG has a little todo list of things yet to do, but it's not on the feature page
| 10:59
|
| f13
| ah.
| 10:59
|
| f13
| Release alpha and beta releases in sync with Fedora 10 Run the Xfce spin through the QA team basic set of tests on i386 and x86_64 platforms Work with Fedora QA to ensure that we have sufficient coverage
| 10:59
|
| f13
| seems the Games spin suffers from a bad cut/paste job.
| 10:59
|
| f13
| mether ?
| 10:59
|
| f13
| it's also missing punctuation
| 11:00
|
| f13
| (nitpicky)
| 11:00
|
| f13
| kanarip: maybe https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin#Dependencies ?
| 11:00
|
| zodbot
| <http://tinyurl.com/5ld6tx> (at fedoraproject.org)
| 11:00
|
| mether
| f13: someone else is taking over. I will pass him the wiki page for updating it.
| 11:01
|
| kanarip
| f13, yikes, nice todo list ;-)
| 11:01
|
| mether
| basically we will reuse most of the ks file as it is for Fedora 10 too
| 11:01
|
| mether
| adjust the package content a bit but thats all
| 11:01
|
| f13
| * Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste job from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you seem to indicate that there are some known.
| 11:02
|
| f13
| * Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about this spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't advertise a non-available spin.
| 11:02
|
| f13
| those are the two feedback items I have already
| 11:02
|
| f13
| other than that, I +1 this spin (though I hate the size of it)
| 11:03
|
| mether
| games are large. not much to do about that
| 11:03
|
| kanarip
| other then maybe splitting some -server packages out
| 11:04
|
| f13
| nod
| 11:04
|
| jeremy
| +1 with f13's things
| 11:04
|
| mether
| kanarip: yes, posted to list, I will be filing bug reports
| 11:04
|
| kanarip
| mether, yeah, i know, i'm dropping a mail on fedora-games to wake people up as well
| 11:04
|
| wwoods
| same - +1 with previous todos
| 11:05
|
| f13
| jwb already gave a +1
| 11:05
|
| spot
| +1
| 11:05
|
| f13
| spot: warren: ?
| 11:05
|
| mether
| kanarip: the only person who has been really responding is hans and he is on vacation. So I am mailing some folks offlist
| 11:05
|
| kanarip
| mether, sure
| 11:05
|
| f13
| well, everybody that has responded seems in favor. We'll approve this spin.
| 11:06
|
| warren
| +1 to f13's things
| 11:06
|
| f13
| poelcat: Decision: releng approves the Games spin as a featured spin for F10. Feedback has been and will be provided in the feature page
| 11:06
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XfceSpin
| 11:07
|
| f13
| User Experience should probably substitute "matches" with "rivals"
| 11:08
|
| f13
| unless it's intended that XFCE will look like gnome, instead of being integrated with itself like gnome
| 11:08
|
| f13
| other than that I have the same feedback as the last spin, and give it a +1
| 11:08
|
| jeremy
| +1
| 11:09
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| kanarip
| meaning, you need extension / updates to the feature page, right?
| 11:09
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| f13
| right
| 11:09
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| f13
| jwb also approved this spin
| 11:10
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| wwoods
| I'm wwoods, and I approve this spin.
| 11:10
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| f13
| heh
| 11:10
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| f13
| warren: spot: lmacken: votes?
| 11:11
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| warren
| +1
| 11:11
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| spot
| +1
| 11:12
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| lmacken
| +1
| 11:12
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| f13
| ok, this passes too.
| 11:12
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| f13
| alright
| 11:12
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Spins
| 11:13
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| mether
| f13: xfce default look is intended to be just the same as gnome more or less. same theme, icons, background etc
| 11:13
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| f13
| now that we have a set of spins approved for F10, should we produce them for Beta and put them on the torrent?
| 11:13
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| f13
| seems reasonable to me, and can be done in parallel with the other composing
| 11:13
|
| * jwb peeks in
| 11:14
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| jwb
| yes. otherwise, what's the point of having them track via Feature pages?
| 11:15
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| kanarip
| seems reasonable enough to me, but i'm wondering what happened to developer and electronic-lab?
| 11:15
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| kanarip
| did i miss out on something or are they lacking feature pages or anything?
| 11:15
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| kanarip
| *that you know of?
| 11:15
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| jwb
| kanarip, i've not seen pages for either
| 11:15
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| kanarip
| right
| 11:15
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| mether
| kanarip: nobody created one.
| 11:16
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| kanarip
| argh, as well btw
| 11:16
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| mether
| there is a fedora electronics list if one wants to reach them
| 11:16
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| f13
| mether: where 'theme/icons/backgrounds as gnome' you mean the ones Fedora sets for the Gnome desktop, not upstream gnome?
| 11:16
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| mether
| f13: not upstream. Fedora customization
| 11:16
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| mether
| Nodoka got ported and is the default Xfce theme
| 11:16
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| mether
| within Fedora
| 11:16
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| f13
| note that we should probably set an upper limit on how many spins we create, space considerations compose/test/sync considerations and such
| 11:17
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| f13
| mether: gotcha, that could be made more clear in the documentation/release-notes/etc...
| 11:17
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| mether
| alright, I will clarify that. Kinda assume that was known somehow
| 11:18
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| f13
| mether: maybe if you already know what xfce is or intimately involved in the spin. Casual users or first timers wouldn't.
| 11:18
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| mether
| right, i understand that. I will expand the docs section
| 11:19
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| f13
| jeremy: spot: warren: thoughts on producing spin images for torrent for beta?
| 11:19
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| f13
| jwb: think you might have time to do spin image creations for the beta?
| 11:19
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| warren
| the spins we talked about in this meeting?
| 11:19
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| jeremy
| definitely should
| 11:19
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| jwb
| f13, if mmcgrath can get the guests up, yeah i think so
| 11:20
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| f13
| jwb: we still have compose-x86
| 11:20
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| spot
| seems sane to me, unless the responsible parties want to wait for some reason
| 11:20
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| jwb
| just one?
| 11:20
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| f13
| warren: and any others we approve before the Beta freeze
| 11:20
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| f13
| jwb: there was also test3, not sure if we still have that
| 11:20
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| jwb
| f13, maybe the requirements for the spin host have changed since i did it last...
| 11:20
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| f13
| jwb: it can all be done from an x86_64 host
| 11:21
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| f13
| unless we want to do live ppc images.
| 11:21
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| jwb
| i thought we needed x86 and x86_64, both running rawhide with SELinux in permissive?
| 11:21
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| f13
| nope, setarch is your friend.
| 11:21
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| warren
| Fedora 10-based Live LTSP Server definitely wont be ready for beta.
| 11:21
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| jwb
| f13, ok. so is compose-x86 what you are doing the regular composes on?
| 11:21
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| warren
| well... I might be able to get it working, but higher priority items like actually getting new mkinitrd code done before beta...
| 11:22
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| warren
| I might not make it.
| 11:22
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| kanarip
| f13, test3 was down last time i checked
| 11:22
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| f13
| jwb: I'll be doing shadow composes there, as well as on reducto internally
| 11:22
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| f13
| kanarip: ok, that's fine.
| 11:22
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| jwb
| f13, and the SELinux setup is right?
| 11:22
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| f13
| jwb: I do believe it's set for permissive
| 11:22
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| f13
| if not, we can adjust as necessary
| 11:22
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| kanarip
| which is right
| 11:22
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| jwb
| cool. if i can't get to the machine for some reason, i'll figure it out
| 11:22
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| f13
| k
| 11:23
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| f13
| jwb: we should take that for a test drive this week, ensure the spin ks's are in working order.
| 11:24
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| f13
| kanarip: Can the spin sig coordinate on a branch or a tag to use for the Beta, so that we have something stable to pull from, but won't block further work?
| 11:24
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| f13
| (in the spin-kickstarts git repo that is)
| 11:24
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| kanarip
| f13, yes we can
| 11:25
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| f13
| ok.
| 11:25
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor
| 11:25
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| kanarip
| f13, actually i'll be branching but what the heck
| 11:25
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| f13
| we're 25 minutes over, I know, but it was good to get through the spins we had.
| 11:25
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| f13
| kanarip: yeah, either a branch or a tag, either works for us on the pulling side.
| 11:26
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| f13
| poelcat: oh, Decision: Releng approves the XFCE spin as a featured spin for Fedora 10
| 11:26
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| kanarip
| f13, awesome, a branch will allow me to delete the spins you do not have approved to compose
| 11:26
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| f13
| looks like there is no open business, lets call it a meeting. Thanks all!
| 11:28
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