| f13
|
ping: poelcat notting jeremy jwb spot rdieter warren wwoods lmacken
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10:03
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| jwb
|
here
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10:03
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| jeremy
|
hi
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10:03
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| * spot is here
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10:04
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| * poelcat here
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10:04
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| poelcat
|
f13: i have one agenda item--quick schedule sanity review
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10:05
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| poelcat
|
i recently added some more detail and want to make stuff is land on the right days
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10:05
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| poelcat
|
i found a few that weren't and fixed them
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10:05
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| f13
|
this would be the full view on your people page?
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10:06
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| poelcat
|
current version: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
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10:06
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| zodbot
|
<http://tinyurl.com/6qyfg6> (at poelstra.fedorapeople.org)
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10:06
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| * f13 looks
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10:07
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| * warren here but on the phone
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10:07
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Updated schedule http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
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10:07
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| * wwoods here
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10:08
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| f13
|
poelcat: what all did you change?
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10:09
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| poelcat
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poelcat: added snapshots
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10:09
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| f13
|
everything seems OK, although I'm a bit dubious about snapshot1 coming just 2 days after the Beta release
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10:09
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| jeremy
|
agreed
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10:10
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| poelcat
|
f13: that might be a mistake... I can drop that one
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10:10
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| f13
|
yeah, I'd prefer we drop that one
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10:10
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| poelcat
|
and final devel freeze is 30-sept which I had wrong on the wiki version
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10:10
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| jeremy
|
poelcat: it's not a mistake if you lookat how it falls out. it's just something that might not make much sense (distractions, etc)
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10:10
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| poelcat
|
f13: will do
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10:10
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| poelcat
|
jeremy: well there were three for F9.. and i found a way to fit in four for f10 :)
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10:11
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| f13
|
thanks
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10:11
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| f13
|
anybody unhappy with the snapshot additions (minus removing snapshot 1)?
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10:13
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| f13
|
seems like no, we approve those changes.
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10:14
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| poelcat
|
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html
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10:14
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| zodbot
|
<http://tinyurl.com/6qyfg6> (at poelstra.fedorapeople.org)
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10:14
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| poelcat
|
updated
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10:14
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F10
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10:14
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| f13
|
.rel 24
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10:14
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| zodbot
|
f13: #24 (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/rel-eng/ticket/24
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10:15
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| f13
|
er
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10:15
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9
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10:15
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| jlaska
|
f13: snapshot#1 might be right after beta release, but it is more than 2 wks after the beta freeze.
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10:15
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| f13
|
so the spins have been up for a couple weeks.
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10:15
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| f13
|
jlaska: while that's true, trying to get a snapshot staged, and actually into people's hands two days after beta releases is going to be tough.
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10:15
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| f13
|
jlaska: also, it'll likely take more than a week to stabalize after all the hidden updates flood rawhide post-freeze
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10:16
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| f13
|
anywho, back to topic.
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10:16
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| f13
|
I haven't seen any reports good/bad on the spins. I suggest we ping the spin owners and ask for a go/nogo on upgrading the "beta" to "final" for those spins.
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10:16
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| f13
|
jwb: would you be able to take this back on?
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10:16
|
| * jwb nods
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10:17
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| jlaska
|
f13: that will drop the total number of snaps to 3 ... should we instead keep 4 and push out a week?
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10:17
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| mether
|
f13: the only that I have significantly tested along with others is Xfce. It should be ready to go
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10:17
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| nirik
|
it's worked fine for me here in my testing as well (The Xfce)
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10:18
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| jwb
|
these are the F9 spins right?
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10:18
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| jeremy
|
f13: sounds good to me
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10:18
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| mether
|
yes
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10:18
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| jwb
|
k
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10:18
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| f13
|
jlaska: I can create a snapshot that friday for "internal" testing, I just don't want to muddy the public waters by pushing it out there.
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10:18
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| jwb
|
we need to talk about the F10 spins soon
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10:18
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| poelcat
|
jwb: yes... i'm confused on what to do w/ the feature pages... they are stuck in my queue
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10:19
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| f13
|
what spins have been proposed?
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10:19
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| jwb
|
i've not seen any come into rel-eng yet
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10:19
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| f13
|
and are they ready for us to review/vote? (essentially would they be ready for FESCo if they were other features)
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10:20
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| f13
|
wait.
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10:20
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| f13
|
lets move that topic later, after we get through the tickets.
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10:20
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| jwb
|
k
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10:20
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| jeremy
|
which, speaking of spins for f10 -- the live image configs are moved as of today (mail forthcoming when I get to it) to the spin-kickstarts repo rather than being in livecd-tools itself
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10:20
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| f13
|
jwb: can you update/take ownership of ticket 24 once more?
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10:20
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| jwb
|
yes
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10:20
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| f13
|
ok, moving on.
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10:20
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| f13
|
well. that was silly, no other tickets there.
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10:21
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F10 Beta
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10:21
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| f13
|
I need to create the various action tickets for the Beta release.
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10:21
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| f13
|
the process started today with a heads up mail to fedora-devel-announce warning people of hte freeze, requesting people be careful with risky changes from here on out, and to do some beta readiness checking.
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10:21
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| f13
|
I'm going to be producing full trees again (once we have a working anaconda) to see where we are with things that failed in Alpha, and to look for regressions
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10:22
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| f13
|
this will be a blocking freeze, so we need to make every effort to have as short of a freeze as possible, which means putting in time now, rather than after the freeze
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10:22
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| f13
|
as far as schedule goes, I don't necessarily have any immediate reasons to adjust the beta schedule, but I've asked sigs/groups/feature owners/etc... to reflect upon where their area of interest is at right now, and if more (reasonable) time would be useful.
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10:26
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| f13
|
Fesco/board et al meet this week and should also consider any schedule changes.
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10:26
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| f13
|
anything further on Beta before we move on to spins?
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10:27
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| wwoods
|
F10 feature window closing. You know what that means: F11 feature window opens
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10:28
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| wwoods
|
heh
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10:28
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| f13
|
right, I hinted at that.
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10:28
|
| * jeremy prefers people to think about f10 features at the moment :)
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10:28
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| f13
|
ok, lets move on.
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10:29
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - Spins
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10:29
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| jwb
|
yeah
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10:29
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| wwoods
|
yeah but we just need to remember to get that across for the inevitable complaints about how we maliciously dropped pet-feature-X
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10:29
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| jwb
|
so poelcat you have F10 spins feature pages?
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10:29
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| wwoods
|
but yes. move on,.
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10:29
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| f13
|
poelcat: you mentioned you had some spins in your queue, are any ready to be presented to releng?
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10:29
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| jeremy
|
as I said above, kickstart configs for default spins have now moved
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10:29
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| f13
|
or do you need info from releng about what makes them "ready" ?
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10:29
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| f13
|
jeremy: this is good. Where would I attach myself to get change notifications of this repo?
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10:29
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| jeremy
|
f13: looks like spin-kickstarts-commits@lists.fedorahosted
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10:30
|
| * warren back
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10:30
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| poelcat
|
f13: just a sec
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10:31
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| f13
|
bah, what's the mailman url to that?
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10:31
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| jeremy
|
f13: dunno :)
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10:31
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BrOffice.orgSpin
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10:32
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationSpin
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10:32
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
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10:32
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| poelcat
|
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XfceSpin
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10:32
|
| * poelcat is unclear what the critiera for reviewing them is
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10:32
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| f13
|
poelcat: these are all ready for review?
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10:32
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| f13
|
poelcat: "ready for FESCo" works for me
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10:32
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| jwb
|
poelcat, use the same criteria you would with actual Features
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10:32
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| f13
|
rather "same criteria you'd use to decide a normal feature is ready for FESCo"
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10:32
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| jwb
|
just send them to rel-eng instead
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10:32
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| poelcat
|
okay
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10:33
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| poelcat
|
so, yes, I believe these are all ready
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10:33
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| f13
|
ok.
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10:34
|
| * f13 goes to look at the first one.
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10:34
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| jwb
|
i'm confused
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10:35
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| jwb
|
why are they debranding the whole spin?
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10:36
|
| jwb
|
# Needed for spin debranding
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10:37
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| jwb
|
sed -i -e 's/Fedora/Generic/g' /etc/fedora-release
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10:37
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| jwb
|
that seems unnecessary if they've gotten Board approval...
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10:37
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| jeremy
|
but it's needed prior to approval
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10:38
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| f13
|
this also seems like just desire to get releng/board approval on the trademark, not to actually have us produce the spin.
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10:38
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| jwb
|
why are we reviewing spins that don't have Board approval
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10:38
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| f13
|
jwb: what's the proper order of approval?
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10:39
|
| jwb
|
Board, Spins SIG, Rel-Eng
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10:39
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| jwb
|
yes?
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10:39
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| f13
|
jwb: releng has to sign off on it technically, board has to sign off on it politically
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10:39
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| jwb
|
kanarip, ping?
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10:39
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| f13
|
one would think it starts as low as possible and works up, rather than the inverse.
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10:39
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| jwb
|
then Spins SIG would be the first stop
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10:39
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| kanarip
|
jwb, pong
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10:39
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| f13
|
kanarip: question on the ordering of spin approvals
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10:40
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| jwb
|
kanarip, for Spins... what is the order of approval?
|
10:40
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| kanarip
|
i just dropped a big note with a couple of exclamation marks to the spins list about the beta freeze
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10:40
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| jwb
|
kanarip, should spins get approval in this order:
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10:40
|
| jwb
|
Spins SIG, Board, Rel-Eng
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10:41
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| jwb
|
or?
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10:41
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| kanarip
|
we as a sig are going to have to sign off on spins technically, they need board approval for trademark usage, then they can become features under the regular FESCo procedures
|
10:41
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| jwb
|
well, except FESCo delegated that last step to Rel-Eng
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10:41
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| jwb
|
so seems Spins SIG, Board, Rel-Eng
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10:41
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| kanarip
|
in this case, I can imagine FESCo will ask rel-eng/spin sig about anything related to releasing/spin concepts in that order?
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10:41
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| kanarip
|
let me link you to the thread...
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10:42
|
| kanarip
|
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2008-August/000048.html
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10:42
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| zodbot
|
<http://tinyurl.com/6n2mmr> (at lists.fedoraproject.org)
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10:42
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| f13
|
kanarip: is the process flow documented in the wiki somewhere, and has the spins sig already approved the BRoffice.org spin?
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10:42
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| kanarip
|
this is what i said so it's basically also what the spin maintainers are going to have to live with *evilgrin*
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10:42
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| kanarip
|
broffice.org.ks is not yet approved
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10:43
|
| jwb
|
ok, well that answers that
|
10:43
|
| jwb
|
:)
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10:43
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| kanarip
|
i'm planning on getting it through the process tomorrow
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10:43
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| jwb
|
ok cool
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10:43
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| f13
|
kanarip: side note, it seems the package that broffice.org wants to focus on isn't even in the distro yet
|
10:43
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| f13
|
kanarip: so I'm somewhat skeptical that the broffice.org spin will make it
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10:43
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| jwb
|
sounds like we can come back to this next week or later...
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10:43
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| kanarip
|
f13, note taken ;-)
|
10:43
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| kanarip
|
you guys have a mailing list at rel-eng@lists.fp.o as well, right?
|
10:44
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| f13
|
ok, the next three are spin approved
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10:44
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| poelcat
|
feature freeze is 2008-08-19... do all spins have to be proposed/accepted by then?
|
10:44
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| f13
|
poelcat: yes
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10:44
|
| jwb
|
poelcat, yes
|
10:44
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| kanarip
|
poelcat, yes and they better have a feature page as well
|
10:44
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| f13
|
kanarip: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/rel-eng
|
10:44
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationSpin
|
10:45
|
| * kanarip subscribed now
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10:45
|
| poelcat
|
kanarip: is there a wiki page summarizing all this?
|
10:45
|
| kanarip
|
poelcat, /me diggs up the link
|
10:45
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| kanarip
|
poelcat, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/SpinSubmissionProcess
|
10:46
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| zodbot
|
<http://tinyurl.com/5pdzqf> (at fedoraproject.org)
|
10:46
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| kanarip
|
i see how the consecutive process is a little vague on that page btw
|
10:46
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| f13
|
ok, Education spin, I like it in general, I want to be clear on what it should be named (label of the iso and the name of the .iso file both)
|
10:47
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| kanarip
|
Education Math please
|
10:47
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| f13
|
also, I think if we're going to produce it, it should be mentioned in the release notes, and the documentation should be "why would somebody use this spin".
|
10:47
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| f13
|
I'm going to make these notes on the discussion page.
|
10:47
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| jwb
|
f13, agreed
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10:47
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| mether
|
how is the educational spin related to http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27610.html
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10:47
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| f13
|
otherwise (given the spin sig's pre-technical approval) I give this a +1
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10:47
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| warren
|
mether: not related at all
|
10:48
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| jwb
|
mether, it's not?
|
10:48
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| kanarip
|
mether, something different entirely
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10:48
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| mether
|
ok
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10:48
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| jwb
|
+1
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10:48
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| kanarip
|
warren, care to submit that to the spin sig nonetheless? ;-)
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10:48
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| warren
|
I suppose I could.
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10:48
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| kanarip
|
warren, at the very least it'll give you a central repository to maintain the kickstart in
|
10:48
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| kanarip
|
warren, that is, if you're not going for all the formal approval and releasing and all that
|
10:49
|
| f13
|
any other thoughts about the education spin?
|
10:49
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| f13
|
spot: jeremy: votes ?
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10:50
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| f13
|
wwoods: you too, any qa thoughts?
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10:50
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| jeremy
|
the education spin could use a little bit of thought on naming just to avoid questions about how it overlaps with, eg, ltsp
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10:50
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| wwoods
|
bluh. the test plans are terrible.
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10:51
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| kanarip
|
jeremy, +1, that's why its education-math.ks, to be named "Education Math" as well
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10:51
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| jeremy
|
kanarip: yeah, the feature page is the main place where the confusion exists I think
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10:51
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| wwoods
|
I'm gonna need to ask some pointed questions in the Talk: sections of those pages, I think
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10:51
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| kanarip
|
i'm not sure where i can document this properly but i've discussed it with the maintainer on-list, fwiw
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10:52
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| f13
|
wwoods: are you willing to accept it as a featured spin of F10, provided you can work with them on the test plan?
|
10:52
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| wwoods
|
mostly "what exactly are you doing" and "how are you doing it" and "who is doing this 'cuz it's not me"
|
10:52
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| kanarip
|
jeremy, ok, /me dropping a note to the maintainer
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10:52
|
| * spot is +1
|
10:52
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| jeremy
|
but it's reasonable to me in general, so +1
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10:52
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| wwoods
|
assuming that the owner is willing to accept responsibility for testing (or designate a tester), sure
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10:53
|
| f13
|
ok.
|
10:53
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| wwoods
|
I'll totally help work out a good test plan but we do not have the resources to test spins, nor would I be real happy about releasing untested code
|
10:53
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| f13
|
poelcat: Decision: releng approves the Education Math spin as a featured spin for F10. Feedback has been and will be provided in the feature page
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10:54
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| kanarip
|
wwoods, this is one of the things they kinda accept as well as being on the receiving end of bugs for the remainder of the lifecycle
|
10:54
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| kanarip
|
it's implicit acceptance though, not explicit
|
10:55
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| wwoods
|
kanarip: exactly. I want explicit acceptance of that fact
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10:55
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| f13
|
poelcat: also, once the tracker bug has been created for this feature, can we list said bug in the feature page?
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10:55
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| wwoods
|
"Yes, I will test my own spin", followed by at least a broad definition of what testing will be performed
|
10:56
|
| warren
|
regarding educational spin
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10:56
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| warren
|
My live image right now is almost 1GB without all the educational apps installed.
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10:56
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| warren
|
It kind of makes sense to do both in the same image
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10:56
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| warren
|
but it is going to get freaking huge.
|
10:57
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| f13
|
warren: size might not matter if they're running on lab machines
|
10:57
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| warren
|
And maybe it is not a good idea to do both in the same image
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10:57
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| warren
|
because there are a lot of users who want LTSP without the edu stuff.
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10:57
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| f13
|
live images are just convenient as a medium to deliver
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10:57
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| f13
|
ok, lets move on to the next spin.
|
10:58
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| warren
|
f13: in this case live ltsp server is convenient as the easiest way to install it
|
10:58
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| jwb
|
i need to bail for another meeting. as for XFCE and Games, i think both are probably OK but the pages need updating...
|
10:58
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| jwb
|
only 10% done?
|
10:58
|
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
|
10:58
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| f13
|
jwb: thanks.
|
10:58
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| f13
|
warren: for places using ltsp sure
|
10:58
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| kanarip
|
is there a todo for these spins?
|
10:58
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| warren
|
f13: nod
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10:58
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| f13
|
kanarip: can you expand upon that question?
|
10:59
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| kanarip
|
well, with 10% completion you'd think a Games SIG has a little todo list of things yet to do, but it's not on the feature page
|
10:59
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| f13
|
ah.
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10:59
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| f13
|
Release alpha and beta releases in sync with Fedora 10 Run the Xfce spin through the QA team basic set of tests on i386 and x86_64 platforms Work with Fedora QA to ensure that we have sufficient coverage
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10:59
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| f13
|
seems the Games spin suffers from a bad cut/paste job.
|
10:59
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| f13
|
mether ?
|
10:59
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| f13
|
it's also missing punctuation
|
11:00
|
| f13
|
(nitpicky)
|
11:00
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| f13
|
kanarip: maybe https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin#Dependencies ?
|
11:00
|
| zodbot
|
<http://tinyurl.com/5ld6tx> (at fedoraproject.org)
|
11:00
|
| mether
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f13: someone else is taking over. I will pass him the wiki page for updating it.
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11:01
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| kanarip
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f13, yikes, nice todo list ;-)
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11:01
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| mether
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basically we will reuse most of the ks file as it is for Fedora 10 too
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11:01
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| mether
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adjust the package content a bit but thats all
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11:01
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| f13
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* Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste job from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you seem to indicate that there are some known.
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11:02
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| f13
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* Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about this spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't advertise a non-available spin.
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11:02
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| f13
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those are the two feedback items I have already
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11:02
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| f13
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other than that, I +1 this spin (though I hate the size of it)
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11:03
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| mether
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games are large. not much to do about that
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11:03
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| kanarip
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other then maybe splitting some -server packages out
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11:04
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| f13
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nod
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11:04
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| jeremy
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+1 with f13's things
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11:04
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| mether
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kanarip: yes, posted to list, I will be filing bug reports
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11:04
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| kanarip
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mether, yeah, i know, i'm dropping a mail on fedora-games to wake people up as well
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11:04
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| wwoods
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same - +1 with previous todos
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11:05
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| f13
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jwb already gave a +1
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11:05
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| spot
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+1
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11:05
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| f13
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spot: warren: ?
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11:05
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| mether
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kanarip: the only person who has been really responding is hans and he is on vacation. So I am mailing some folks offlist
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11:05
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| kanarip
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mether, sure
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11:05
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| f13
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well, everybody that has responded seems in favor. We'll approve this spin.
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11:06
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| warren
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+1 to f13's things
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11:06
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| f13
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poelcat: Decision: releng approves the Games spin as a featured spin for F10. Feedback has been and will be provided in the feature page
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11:06
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XfceSpin
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11:07
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| f13
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User Experience should probably substitute "matches" with "rivals"
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11:08
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| f13
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unless it's intended that XFCE will look like gnome, instead of being integrated with itself like gnome
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11:08
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| f13
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other than that I have the same feedback as the last spin, and give it a +1
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11:08
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| jeremy
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+1
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11:09
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| kanarip
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meaning, you need extension / updates to the feature page, right?
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11:09
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| f13
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right
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11:09
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| f13
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jwb also approved this spin
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11:10
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| wwoods
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I'm wwoods, and I approve this spin.
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11:10
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| f13
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heh
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11:10
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| f13
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warren: spot: lmacken: votes?
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11:11
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| warren
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+1
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11:11
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| spot
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+1
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11:12
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| lmacken
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+1
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11:12
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| f13
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ok, this passes too.
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11:12
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| f13
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alright
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11:12
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Spins
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11:13
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| mether
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f13: xfce default look is intended to be just the same as gnome more or less. same theme, icons, background etc
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11:13
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| f13
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now that we have a set of spins approved for F10, should we produce them for Beta and put them on the torrent?
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11:13
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| f13
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seems reasonable to me, and can be done in parallel with the other composing
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11:13
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| * jwb peeks in
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11:14
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| jwb
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yes. otherwise, what's the point of having them track via Feature pages?
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11:15
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| kanarip
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seems reasonable enough to me, but i'm wondering what happened to developer and electronic-lab?
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11:15
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| kanarip
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did i miss out on something or are they lacking feature pages or anything?
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11:15
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| kanarip
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*that you know of?
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11:15
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| jwb
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kanarip, i've not seen pages for either
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11:15
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| kanarip
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right
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11:15
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| mether
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kanarip: nobody created one.
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11:16
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| kanarip
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argh, as well btw
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11:16
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| mether
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there is a fedora electronics list if one wants to reach them
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11:16
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| f13
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mether: where 'theme/icons/backgrounds as gnome' you mean the ones Fedora sets for the Gnome desktop, not upstream gnome?
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11:16
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| mether
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f13: not upstream. Fedora customization
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11:16
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| mether
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Nodoka got ported and is the default Xfce theme
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11:16
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| mether
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within Fedora
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11:16
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| f13
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note that we should probably set an upper limit on how many spins we create, space considerations compose/test/sync considerations and such
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11:17
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| f13
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mether: gotcha, that could be made more clear in the documentation/release-notes/etc...
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11:17
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| mether
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alright, I will clarify that. Kinda assume that was known somehow
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11:18
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| f13
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mether: maybe if you already know what xfce is or intimately involved in the spin. Casual users or first timers wouldn't.
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11:18
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| mether
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right, i understand that. I will expand the docs section
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11:19
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| f13
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jeremy: spot: warren: thoughts on producing spin images for torrent for beta?
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11:19
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| f13
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jwb: think you might have time to do spin image creations for the beta?
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11:19
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| warren
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the spins we talked about in this meeting?
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11:19
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| jeremy
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definitely should
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11:19
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| jwb
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f13, if mmcgrath can get the guests up, yeah i think so
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11:20
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| f13
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jwb: we still have compose-x86
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11:20
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| spot
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seems sane to me, unless the responsible parties want to wait for some reason
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11:20
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| jwb
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just one?
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11:20
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| f13
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warren: and any others we approve before the Beta freeze
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11:20
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| f13
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jwb: there was also test3, not sure if we still have that
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11:20
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| jwb
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f13, maybe the requirements for the spin host have changed since i did it last...
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11:20
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| f13
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jwb: it can all be done from an x86_64 host
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11:21
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| f13
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unless we want to do live ppc images.
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11:21
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| jwb
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i thought we needed x86 and x86_64, both running rawhide with SELinux in permissive?
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11:21
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| f13
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nope, setarch is your friend.
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11:21
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| warren
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Fedora 10-based Live LTSP Server definitely wont be ready for beta.
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11:21
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| jwb
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f13, ok. so is compose-x86 what you are doing the regular composes on?
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11:21
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| warren
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well... I might be able to get it working, but higher priority items like actually getting new mkinitrd code done before beta...
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11:22
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| warren
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I might not make it.
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11:22
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| kanarip
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f13, test3 was down last time i checked
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11:22
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| f13
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jwb: I'll be doing shadow composes there, as well as on reducto internally
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11:22
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| f13
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kanarip: ok, that's fine.
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11:22
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| jwb
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f13, and the SELinux setup is right?
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11:22
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| f13
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jwb: I do believe it's set for permissive
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11:22
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| f13
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if not, we can adjust as necessary
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11:22
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| kanarip
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which is right
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11:22
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| jwb
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cool. if i can't get to the machine for some reason, i'll figure it out
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11:22
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| f13
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k
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11:23
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| f13
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jwb: we should take that for a test drive this week, ensure the spin ks's are in working order.
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11:24
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| f13
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kanarip: Can the spin sig coordinate on a branch or a tag to use for the Beta, so that we have something stable to pull from, but won't block further work?
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11:24
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| f13
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(in the spin-kickstarts git repo that is)
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11:24
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| kanarip
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f13, yes we can
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11:25
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| f13
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ok.
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11:25
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| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor
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11:25
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| kanarip
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f13, actually i'll be branching but what the heck
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11:25
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| f13
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we're 25 minutes over, I know, but it was good to get through the spins we had.
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11:25
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| f13
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kanarip: yeah, either a branch or a tag, either works for us on the pulling side.
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11:26
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| f13
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poelcat: oh, Decision: Releng approves the XFCE spin as a featured spin for Fedora 10
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11:26
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| kanarip
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f13, awesome, a branch will allow me to delete the spins you do not have approved to compose
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11:26
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| f13
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looks like there is no open business, lets call it a meeting. Thanks all!
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