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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-03-31


  • Discussion about F9 beta and snapshots
  • No significant decisions made

IRC Transcript

-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>
* poelcat here<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>
f13ping: notting jeremy jwb rdieter poelcat lmacken warren spot<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>
* notting is here<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
* spot is here<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
rdieterhere (but still fixing gcc43-borked pkgs)<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Snapshot<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
f13so we did a snapshot on Friday.  I took Thursday off or else i would have produced it then.<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>
poelcatdid it install for other? didn't work for me<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
* wwoods notices he wasn't pung, goes off to play pokemon instead<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
f13I had to fix a number of things, and integrate an updates.img into the iso<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
notting258 downloads :/<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
f13wwoods: I knew I forgot about someone<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
notting11 of source. wtf?<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
f13wwoods: ping<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
f13notting: seriously I know<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>
wwoods258? that seems pretty good, actually<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
f13poelcat: I'm not sure why it didn't install for you.  Did you try forcing the updates.img from my fedorapeople page?<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
poelcatno, i was trying install from ISO<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
f13and?<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
f13I'm not sure how that changes anything<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
poelcati haven't played around w/ using the updates.img much<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
poelcat<a href=""></a> is the error i got<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13anyway, I thikn it went mostly OK, we got the typical grumbling that torrent was the only option.<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13poelcat: yeah, that's fixed in the updates.img<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
poelcatand the torrent speed was not very good<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13poelcat: do me a favor, mount the iso and see if there is an updates.img in the images/ directory<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
f13For this week's snapshot I'll be doing the spin on Thursday so we have a bit of buffer before Friday<a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a>
f13it would be nice to have a list of things we've fixed and would like to get verification on<a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a>
wwoodshmm<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
wwoodsI'll try to put together a couple of bugzilla queries for that<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
poelcatf13: yes, updates.img is there<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
wwoodsbugs from the various blocker lists that have been closed in the past 7 days<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
f13poelcat: well that's odd, it should have loaded that updates.img when booting and thus fixed the issue you saw.  You said this was from DVD?<a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a>
poelcatcorrect... doing a dvd ISO install w/ vmware<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
f13interesting<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13I'll try to dupe here, it should load that image.<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13so, any feedback/suggestions for the next snapshot?<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
poelcatf13: any way to have more seeds?<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
nottingi'm trying to think of a way to make it easier for people to get, without breaking the world<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
f13notting: I've been thinking about that too :/<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>
poelcati waited all day saturday<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13notting: I mean, we /could/ place it a in a few fedora infra locations and have a mirrormanager url to handle it<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
poelcatsuddently it was done on Sunday AM<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
EvilBobI wonder if the Unity jigdo mirror system could help<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13poelcat: well, I want to release it early Friday instead of late friday which may help a bit with that<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13EvilBob: how fast can we get the bits all synced up?<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13EvilBob: the big problem is that from compose -> torrent available is only a few hours time for the sync, less so when I rsync against existing isos<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
f13EvilBob: having to wait days for syncing to happen makes the snapshot less and less relevant<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
EvilBobf13: I bet we can be synced up in a few hours and help<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>
EvilBobf13: we only have a few mirrors that will do torrent but I can put the word out<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
* f13 thinks some more.<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>
f13notting: the enchilata module sort of kills us here, but we could put the snapshots in an easy to exclude directory and just ask that some of the active mirrors sync fast fast the bits<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>
nottingmaybe. i wonder how much snapshots of CD/DVD helps (as we have rawhide) vs. snapshots of live<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13notting: mostly media install testing<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13which you don't get out of rawhide<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
f13the Live images are the more interesting thing, as it's more about content and less about delivery<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>
poelcatnotting: snapshots have a higher chance of installing? :)<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>
f13there is that<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
f13although updates.img is much smaller to download than DVD<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>
poelcatI thought 'installability' was one of the original intentions of the snapshots?<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
poelcatbut maybe i'm wrong<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
f13it is.<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>
f13however, we also stated that if things were terribly broken, we'dj ust try again next week<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
f13there is only so much you can fix with updates.img<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
f13having weekly snapshots is also a mental thing, to get into people's heads that "Things will be snapshotted at the end of the week, lets make sure I'm in a good shape by then"<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
poelcatf13: on that note... only one feature owner response so far<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
poelcatthat was for ext4<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
f13ugh<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
poelcateric updated the page... nothing affecting F9<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
poelcatbecause it is not enabled by default<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
poelcati'm not sure how to drum more interest in targeting feature stuff for snapshots<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
f13yeah, neither am I.  But I'll poke some people<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
f13Anything else on snapshot?<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
poelcatis there any way to help pre-test them?<a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a>
poelcatbesides installing rawhide<a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a>
wwoodstesting rawhide is always good, but if you're looking to go beyond that<a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a>
wwoodsyou could probably make your own images with pungi<a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a>
f13nod<a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a>
wwoods(we include the config files)<a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a>
wwoodsoh man. can we ship a "generate-rawhide-images" script that calls pungi with the proper flags?<a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a>
f13the only thing I did for Friday's snapshot was put an updates.img into the tree before I called the iso writing phase of pungi<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
f13wwoods: it took you more chars to type "gneeriate-rawhide-images' than it would take to call pungi<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
wwoodsyeah, but I don't know what flags to pass pungi<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
poelcatwwoods: thanks. i'll try that, jds2001 did a blog on that<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
wwoodsor what config file to use<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
f13pungi -c /usr/share/pungi/rawhide-fedora.ks<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
wwoodshey, that *is* easy.<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
f13that's all you have to type.  Stuff will appear in $PWD<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
poelcatso next snapshot will be based on which day of rawhide?<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
f13poelcat: Thursday<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
poelcatokay :)<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
f13unless it's really broken and then we may fix what's broken and retry on Friday<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor<a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a>
f13I don't really have anything else for this week's meeting.  The floor is open<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
nottingwwoods: opinions on The State Of The Release?<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
wwoodsI'm kinda worried, honestly. Partially because my testing hasn't been deep enough recently<a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a>
wwoodsbut there's lingering things all over<a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a>
* f13 notes that rawhide was installable today, at least http method, qemu x86_64<a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a>
wwoodslike UUID weirdness - pm-hibernate seems to change the UUID of your swap partition<a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a>
wwoodsor 'telinit 1' apparently doesn't work?<a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a>
wwoodsor the fact that gnome-system-monitor *still* doesn't seem to let me view all processes<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
wwoodsinexplicably<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
wwoodsjust.. a lot of weird little things that I'm not sure if they're on the proper bug lists and I don't know if anyone's looking at them<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
wwoodsa lot of potential for Fail<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
wwoodsmost of it is probably nothing, but I'm still worried.<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
wwoodsso. gimme a few days to check bug lists and track down maintainers<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
wwoodsand ask me again.<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
f13k<a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a>
f13I'm going to trawl through the blocker list too today<a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a>
f13whilst I wait for composes and installs<a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a>
nottingi suspect not all the upstart stuff is on the blocker list<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>
wwoodsyeah, the upstart blocker should probably go on the blocker list<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>
wwoodsand there's a lot of old junk on blocker/target<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
wwoodsthat are either fixed, no longer relevant, or untouched in weeks<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
nottingwwoods: well, not all the upstart -tracker is blocker stuff<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
wwoodsah<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
wwoodswell, yeah, you can just put the appropriate ones on there<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
wwoodsyou'd know better than me which ones are blockers and which aren't anyway<a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a>
EvilBobf13: RE: Seeds<a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a>
EvilBobf13: we got the message about the slow swarm on Sunday morning and joined up, we will join on thursday this week<a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a>
EvilBob(Or when available)<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
f13EvilBob: thanks, that'll help<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
f13if there isn't anything else, I'll close the meeting<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
* jwb is here-ish now<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
EvilBobf13: <a href=""></a> shows our bump<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
f13thanks all<a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a>

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