| * notting is here
| 13:13
|
| f13
| ping: notting jwb lmacken wwoods rdieter poelcat spot warren
| 13:13
|
| * jwb is here
| 13:13
|
| * spot is here
| 13:13
|
| * poelcat here
| 13:14
|
| rdieter
| yo
| 13:14
|
| * lmacken is here
| 13:14
|
| * wwoods here
| 13:14
|
| f13
| neat.
| 13:15
|
| ::: f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - ALPHA!!!!
| 13:15
|
| f13
| so... last week sucked.
| 13:15
|
| f13
| multiple bugs found, and discovered as far back as the original freeze. Attempts to fix the bugs with newer trees brought in different bugs.
| 13:16
|
| jwb
| wait
| 13:16
|
| f13
| after a long weekend, I finally found a tree that seems to be "good enough"
| 13:16
|
| f13
| jwb: yes?
| 13:16
|
| jwb
| did you figure out what the differences were between your compose environment and the official one that caused the bugs to be missed?
| 13:16
|
| f13
| no.
| 13:17
|
| f13
| I also didn't spend a whole lot of time on it, particularly because I had to blow away both the local and the remote one due to space issues
| 13:17
|
| f13
| anyway, what we have now is an alpha tag (f11-alpha-2) that has the contents from rawhide-20090130 + a newer nfs-utils package.
| 13:18
|
| f13
| so far, all the tests I've done have passed, including the critical nfs, getting past iscsiadm errors in gui mode, and getting past timezone selection in gui mode.
| 13:18
|
| f13
| The two outstanding bugs that I'm aware of that will likely hit a lot of people is UUID/LABEL mounting of /, and vnc installs
| 13:19
|
| f13
| vnc seems to have stopped working somewhere between the initial freeze and now, however I'm willing to trade vnc for working nfs and graphical installs
| 13:20
|
| f13
| particularly because we don't actually know what fixed a few of these issues, so we don't know what we coudl cherry pick back to an older freeze target to avoid vnc breakage
| 13:20
|
| * warren here
| 13:20
|
| jwb
| f13, any chance to include the .73 kernel?
| 13:21
|
| f13
| I don't think so, unless we want to slip longer.
| 13:22
|
| f13
| Given where we are today, if the rest of our critical path tests complete OK, we could actually ship on Thursday
| 13:22
|
| f13
| meaning only a 2 day slip.
| 13:22
|
| * stickster reminds that Tuesday is usually the day for PR value
| 13:22
|
| f13
| that would mean releasing it to mirrors tomorrow, after I spend all day today staging bits around.
| 13:22
|
| f13
| stickster: Alpha is less of a PR target
| 13:22
|
| f13
| its not exactly suitable for press/reviews/masses, it's more of a reliable starting point for developers to get on the rawhide train
| 13:23
|
| stickster
| In one way, yes... the target audience is really people who want to test the raw bits like developers.
| 13:23
|
| f13
| very few features are functional, no artwork, lots of broken things, etc, etc, etc,...
| 13:23
|
| stickster
| However, we also have a mandate to get our features plenty of PR early on in the process.
| 13:23
|
| f13
| stickster: I'd happily trade 4 days of development time for some extra Alpha PR
| 13:24
|
| stickster
| Just wanted to make sure rel-eng was aware of that issue
| 13:24
|
| f13
| particularly because we asked for a full 6 month schedule so that we could avoid slips :/
| 13:25
|
| stickster
| But if the week translates into slip time, then frankly I'd rather just get Alpha out there.
| 13:25
|
| stickster
| I'd be much more concerned about the PR aspect were this the Beta.
| 13:25
|
| f13
| I would too
| 13:25
|
| f13
| but beta is a blocking freeze and we likely would have had more help finding issues
| 13:25
|
| * stickster nods and sits down
| 13:26
|
| wwoods
| I've got a fix for a ppc blocker that should be building shortly, but... I don't think we care about ppc that much
| 13:26
|
| f13
| wwoods: I still wasnt sure if we were producing ppc alpha images
| 13:28
|
| f13
| that's jwb's call
| 13:28
|
| jwb
| f13, if you can mash the buttons, we can produce them. rawhide install last week at least worked for some subset of PPC
| 13:29
|
| f13
| also on the very scary list, live images. I've been trying to find a tree to make real installs work, that I haven't produced live images in a while from a rc tree to test.
| 13:29
|
| * wwoods wondering about KVM status, reading scrollback
| 13:30
|
| f13
| wwoods: what's the nature of the blocker fix? (he asks has he watches the rest of the evening slip away)
| 13:30
|
| f13
| wwoods: all my kvm installs have gone fine
| 13:30
|
| jwb
| f13, patching iprutils to not hang forever when iprdump starts
| 13:30
|
| wwoods
| f13: new iprutils package
| 13:30
|
| jwb
| i'm doing a local build here and i'll even test it
| 13:30
|
| jwb
| unless you already tested it wwoods ?
| 13:31
|
| wwoods
| yeah, I tested a build locally
| 13:31
|
| wwoods
| WORKSFORME
| 13:31
|
| wwoods
| but I'd like confirmation, esp. with something built from koji
| 13:31
|
| jwb
| ok. then once this mockbuild finishes to make sure i didn't screw up something, i'll commit it and tag/build
| 13:31
|
| jwb
| will let you know when that is done
| 13:31
|
| f13
| what happens if we don't have this?
| 13:32
|
| jwb
| ppc hangs forever on start
| 13:32
|
| jwb
| because iprdump isn't running as a daemon
| 13:32
|
| wwoods
| and, for some reason, we install and run that on all ppc, regardless of whether they actually have the hardware
| 13:33
|
| wwoods
| or want dumping\
| 13:33
|
| f13
| did something recently change to cause it to start hanging?
| 13:34
|
| jwb
| unknown. lack of boot.iso for a while didn't help there
| 13:35
|
| f13
| is there an easy workaround for this?
| 13:35
|
| wwoods
| boot to runlevel 1, disable iprdump (or fix its initscript)
| 13:36
|
| jwb
| single user, chkconfig iprdump off
| 13:36
|
| f13
| hrm.
| 13:36
|
| jwb
| or do it via kickstart or someting
| 13:36
|
| f13
| iprutils is only ppc right?
| 13:36
|
| wwoods
| yep.
| 13:36
|
| f13
| I could just re-compose ppc with that build in, and not have to touch anything else.
| 13:36
|
| jwb
| hm
| 13:37
|
| f13
| jwb: now you want a kernel too
| 13:37
|
| jwb
| you are psychic
| 13:37
|
| jwb
| the oopses appeared to be non-fatal
| 13:38
|
| wwoods
| I'm not sure if I'd done any ppc installs before now, or if F10 installed iprutils
| 13:38
|
| jwb
| we could likely live without the kernel bump, but i dunno
| 13:38
|
| f13
| if it works to get to yum...
| 13:38
|
| jwb
| it does
| 13:39
|
| jwb
| well with the iprutils fix/workaround
| 13:39
|
| wwoods
| I think probably I just hadn't done any ppc rawhide installs since iprdump got its new upstream (Nov. 21)
| 13:39
|
| f13
| ok, no kernel for you
| 13:39
|
| jwb
| iprutils is building in koji right now
| 13:39
|
| f13
| ok.
| 13:41
|
| f13
| Proposal: re-spin ppc with new iprutils, no other changes.
| 13:41
|
| warren
| I know nothing about this, so can't vote on it.
| 13:42
|
| notting
| schedule impact is?
| 13:42
|
| f13
| notting: it'll take about 40 minutes to respin ppc
| 13:43
|
| f13
| no other arch needs to change
| 13:43
|
| f13
| so no significant schedule impact.
| 13:43
|
| notting
| then +1
| 13:43
|
| wwoods
| hrm. my ppc DVD gave me the iscsi asplode
| 13:44
|
| wwoods
| f13, are those images still syncing or something?
| 13:44
|
| wwoods
| anyway, +1, since the fix is fairly obvious and the worst possible outcome is.. ppc still doesn't work right
| 13:45
|
| f13
| wwoods: shouldn't be, what sha1 do you have?
| 13:45
|
| wwoods
| much to the disappointment of all 9 users
| 13:45
|
| wwoods
| f13: hang on while I sha1 the DVD
| 13:46
|
| f13
| 7d769b9f52e4a70802bab5106f6aa7b480bd34c1 is what I have
| 13:46
|
| wwoods
| it'd be quicker if you just gave me the timestamp from .discinfo
| 13:48
|
| wwoods
| oh wait, it finished. yeah, that's the sha1 i have
| 13:48
|
| f13
| that would involve loopback mounting and...
| 13:48
|
| f13
| wwoods: thats.... unfortunate.
| 13:48
|
| f13
| ppc work around, use text.
| 13:49
|
| jwb
| vnc install worked for me friday
| 13:49
|
| wwoods
| f13: alias discinfo='isoinfo -x /.discinfo -i'
| 13:50
|
| f13
| ah
| 13:50
|
| f13
| iso-info ?
| 13:50
|
| wwoods
| discinfo ~/[wwoods@metroid devel]$ rpm -qf $(which isoinfo)
| 13:51
|
| wwoods
| genisoimage-1.1.8-1.fc10.i386
| 13:51
|
| wwoods
| blerg. you get the point
| 13:51
|
| wwoods
| f13: ppc GUI was assumed to be a no-op anyway
| 13:51
|
| wwoods
| I'll try vnc/TUI
| 13:51
|
| jwb
| yes, agreed
| 13:52
|
| f13
| -x isn't a valid option
| 13:52
|
| jwb
| i don't even think i tried to boot into X on pc
| 13:52
|
| jwb
| er, ppc
| 13:52
|
| jwb
| and when the GUI install tried, it vomited
| 13:52
|
| wwoods
| but I thought the iscsi "ValueError: need more than 0 values.." trace was gone
| 13:52
|
| jwb
| presumably due to the SELinux thing
| 13:52
|
| * f13 wonders why we have iso-info and isoinfo
| 13:52
|
| f13
| wwoods: no, those errors still happen, it's just not causing a traceback at least on i386/x86_64 gui
| 13:53
|
| f13
| wwoods: we don't fully understand /why/ we were getting a trace there to begin with
| 13:53
|
| wwoods
| yeah, isoinfo (from genisoimage) not iso-info (from libcdio)
| 13:53
|
| f13
| stuuuupid
| 13:53
|
| f13
| alright so we have a plan for ppc
| 13:54
|
| f13
| I'm going to get on that, start making some jigdo images for the i386/x86_^4 trees and syncing them to the master mirror, so that I can clear up space to start making live images.
| 13:54
|
| f13
| I'll get some live images staged for testing at some point today
| 13:55
|
| f13
| Proposal: Finish testing current tree and live images, propose 2 day slip for alpha release on Thursday
| 13:58
|
| poelcat
| f13: implied is that we hold to all other existing dates?
| 13:59
|
| f13
| poelcat: yes.
| 13:59
|
| notting
| meh. what are the chances we'll have to re-revise on testing?
| 13:59
|
| f13
| notting: the known problems are fixed, it's the unknown problems, but we're getting pretty past the usual install methods, into the realm of "would be nice, but meh"
| 13:59
|
| notting
| and, of course, the usual "how do we avoid this in the future?"
| 14:00
|
| notting
| but that's a separate discussion. +1 to the proposal
| 14:00
|
| warren
| just go ahead
| 14:01
|
| * poelcat +1
| 14:01
|
| f13
| so I don't think there is a FESCo meeting before tuesday, question is how do we get an emergency vote?
| 14:02
|
| poelcat
| f13: file a ticket?
| 14:02
|
| f13
| probably, and send out an email
| 14:02
|
| bpepple
| poelcat: yeah, that would probably be the best bet.
| 14:02
|
| jwb
| do we have a majority here?
| 14:03
|
| jwb
| nirik, jds2001, dwmw2, sharkcz, ping
| 14:03
|
| sharkcz
| jwb: pong
| 14:03
|
| f13
| ok, I"ll file the ticket.
| 14:03
|
| * nirik is around.
| 14:03
|
| ::: f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora releng - open floor
| 14:03
|
| f13
| any last minute items?
| 14:04
|
| * notting swaps hats, reiiterates his vote
| 14:04
|
| jwb
| sharkcz, nevermind. i guess we're moving on :)
| 14:04
|
| dwmw2
| jwb?
| 14:04
|
| jwb
| was going to see if we could call an emergency fesco vote, but *shrug*
| 14:04
|
| f13
| jwb: I'm pretty sure ramming this through a sudden IRC vote will piss off at least 2 people.
| 14:04
|
| jwb
| f13, name the 2
| 14:04
|
| poelcat
| f13: gcc4.4 mass rebuild ... when do we need to plan that on the schedule?
| 14:04
|
| f13
| poelcat: prior to beta.
| 14:04
|
| jwb
| f13, and explain to me how they are involved in this in any manner
| 14:04
|
| warren
| poelcat: still havent' decidded what the compiler flags and minimum arch will be
| 14:05
|
| f13
| poelcat: IIRC we're going to need a build for gcc4.4, rpm sha256, and font provides.
| 14:05
|
| jwb
| warren, that can be changed later
| 14:05
|
| notting
| jwb: not after the mass rebuild
| 14:05
|
| f13
| poelcat: they should all be done at the same time, rather than 3 different builds.
| 14:05
|
| jwb
| notting, oh, i misread
| 14:05
|
| jwb
| i thought it was jsut bringing gcc 4.4 in
| 14:05
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/gcc4.4
| 14:06
|
| warren
| jwb: part of the decision is to make the minimum arch i486 or i586 (as jakub suggested earlier) or maybe even i686
| 14:06
|
| warren
| jwb: so that's a pretty big deal that needs to be decided
| 14:06
|
| jwb
| yes yes, i'm aware of that. i said i misread
| 14:06
|
| poelcat
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ArchitectureSupport
| 14:06
|
| f13
| ok, if there is nothing else, I'll close the meeting. Lots of work to do.
| 14:12
|
| f13
| thanks all
| 14:12
|
