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| sdziallas | hi everybody! | |
| sdziallas | so, who is here for the edu sig meeting? | |
| rdieter | here (mostly). | |
| sdziallas | okay :) | |
| sdziallas | well, i have updated the list of applications in the wiki a little bit | |
| sdziallas | and i was thinking about selecting a few apps or a focus for the spin | |
| rdieter | so what's on your mind? | |
| sdziallas | for example, if we focus on mathematics we might - at least - include drgeo and wxmaxima | |
| sdziallas | on the other hand i have created a very basic spin with just some normal apps and an desktop environment | |
| sdziallas | and we have about 150 mb of space for edu apps (less or more depending on kde, gnome or xfce) | |
| rdieter | well, how about start with a math-focussed spin then, since thats: 1. focussed and 2. we have a pretty good selection of math apps to choose from. | |
| * nirik butts in and wonders if there has been thought of a 'sugar' spin... I guess thats something for an olpc interested group to work on tho | ||
| rdieter | nirik: would be neat. | |
| nirik | and that could be a good thing for a younger age group education demographic. | |
| sdziallas | nirik: agreed. i know, that there is a olpc live cd, but i didn't knew, that you could easily install sugar on f9 | |
| nirik | I'm not sure if it's easily installable yet, but I think it's being worked on. | |
| sdziallas | (some time ago, you still needed to compile it, right?) | |
| rdieter | there's a lot to do with 150mb: kdeedu (kig, we could split this out to make space), geomview, Macaulay2, octave (some good gui's are currently under review) | |
| sdziallas | rdierter: that's true | |
| nirik | well, you can 'yum install sugar' in f9 fine. I don't know if you need to do anything to get it to come up tho. | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: well, i really like kdeedu, since it contains a lot of intersting edu apps, but it includes apps for different topics (math & languages & and so on) | |
| rdieter | R, scipy... | |
| sdziallas | nirik: | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: right, wrt kdeedu, we already split -kstars for Astronomy SIG/spin. can do the same here as needed. | |
| sdziallas | sugar.i386 0.79.4-1.fc9 fedora | |
| sdziallas | nirik: but i have no idea, how it needs to be installed - might be worth a try, hu? | |
| * nirik installs on the test box. | ||
| sdziallas | rdieter: okay, so we would select a few kdeedu (and other related) apps and then start with a math-focussed spin? | |
| sdziallas | nirik: great | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: I think so (as well as continue on working to get more good edu apps in fedora). | |
| sdziallas | +1. we definitely need more edu apps - maybe, if we get good feedback to a first spin, there might be further people encouraged to help | |
| rdieter | right | |
| sdziallas | but i'm not quite sure, which apps to should include - kdeedu has kalgebra, kbruch, kig, kmplot and kpercentage - i think it's important not to include software for the same use 3 times | |
| rdieter | having a "produce" to point at, will get more attention, feedback, etc. | |
| rdieter | true, make the list of apps, wieghted priorities, and include stuff until you run out of space. | |
| sdziallas | okay :)... and some pr might not be bad, too | |
| sdziallas | nirik: if a sugar desktop environment is working, i think we should definitely consider it - for example as a spin for younger children (with fitting edu apps... gcompris, childsplay, and so on) | |
| nirik | it installs fine, but I am not getting it to come up in a vnc... looking. | |
| sdziallas | hmmmm..... | |
| * sdziallas has look at a possible spin config | ||
| rdieter | so app/pkg candidates to top the list of what to include? | |
| rdieter | shameless plug: maxima/wxmaxima (I'll try to let others suggest others, since I maintain a few others and am totally biased). | |
| dgilmore | gday all | |
| sdziallas | hi | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: +1 | |
| rdieter | dgilmore: yo mr. olpc | |
| dgilmore | you can get sugar running with "yum install sugar suagr-journal telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut" | |
| dgilmore | then you can run sugar-emulator or log into suagr from gdm/kdm | |
| dgilmore | though it still needs some work | |
| dgilmore | sugar needs porting to the new NetworkManager | |
| rdieter | An olpc/sugar spin would be... sweet. *ba dum crash* | |
| dgilmore | and we need to get more activites packaged | |
| sdziallas | might sound somewhat euphoric, but +100 | |
| dgilmore | but yes a sugar spin would be awesome | |
| dgilmore | right now im migrating OLPC to F-9 | |
| rdieter | dgilmore: you think NM + activities would be do'able in F10 time-frame | |
| rdieter | ? | |
| dgilmore | rdieter: yep defiently | |
| rdieter | alrighty | |
| dgilmore | we have journal done so far | |
| dgilmore | but thats it | |
| sdziallas | that's pretty cool | |
| * sdziallas is going to try it on on his own machine | ||
| dgilmore | please let me know if you have issues | |
| dgilmore | its worked fine in my testing | |
| sdziallas | okay! :) downloads right now... | |
| nirik | not working for me in vnc... will try a real login soon here. ;) | |
| dgilmore | ive had some issues with suagar-emulator | |
| dgilmore | the Xepher X server doesnt support th 129dpi that my laptop runs at | |
| dgilmore | anyway please ask me if you need any help | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: a calculator like qalculate or galculator and drgeo or kig might be interesting, too?! | |
| dgilmore | rdieter: im hoping that NM will be done ssoninsh since id like to use it for OLPC though. none of the mesh stuff is in NM-0.7 | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: yep, surel | |
| rdieter | dgilmore: well olpc's will presumably run the real thing, not an f10-olpc spin. :) | |
| rdieter | or am I wrong? | |
| dgilmore | rdieter: who knows. | |
| dgilmore | rdieter: though the next release will be based on F-9 | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: i'm moving some things around on the list in the wiki | |
| dgilmore | rdieter: it would be nice if a sugar spin runs on the XO | |
| rdieter | nod | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: the question is, how many kdeedu apps we want to include: for example, if we're going to include all of the kdeedu math apps (and splitting them from the rest of kdeedu), it does not really make sense, to have a gnome based spin, right? (it would pull in way too much deps) | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: we'd have to weight that, and see which would be more economical: kde-based vs gnome-based vs. what we choose to include (much of little of kdeedu) + everything else. | |
| sdziallas | +1. true! | |
| rdieter | again, I'm totally biased, so I'd say go with kde-based, but I'd be willing to accept gnome too, esp if it meant more space for more apps. | |
| rdieter | the apps are certainly the focus here. | |
| rdieter | could even consider a smaller/minimal DE, like xfce, but I have little/no experience with that, so don't know how usable it would be for our target audience (whatever that is... ). :) | |
| sdziallas | well, I'd say go with kde, since kdeedu includes more and imo for our purpose the more fitting apps (unless we find a lot of gtk-based apps for students - i think there are more gtk-based apps for children...) | |
| rdieter | sounds good to me. | |
| sdziallas | okay :). | |
| sdziallas | hmm... how about including taskjuggler? | |
| sdziallas | or scribus? i know, these are all not math-focussed apps - but they might be used by students generally... or should we put those on another spin? | |
| rdieter | imo, let's keep this one focussed. | |
| sdziallas | okay | |
| * sdziallas was just asking for opinions :) | ||
| nirik | gnuplot? higher math stuff? | |
| rdieter | but I don't feel strongly. if others feel the need, and/or have a use-case for including other stuff, fine. | |
| dgilmore | there could be a case for a few education spins | |
| nirik | kpolynome ? orpie ? | |
| dgilmore | one aimed at under 5-6 | |
| dgilmore | one 5-6 though 11-12 | |
| rdieter | dgilmore: definitely, we talked about that @ last meeting, age-based spins. | |
| dgilmore | and one 11-12 through 17-18 | |
| dgilmore | very different markets | |
| dgilmore | :) | |
| sdziallas | yeah... but we must start somewhere, right? | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: right, full circle, brings us back to math-spin. :) | |
| sdziallas | so maybe i should focus some ideas (olpc-spin, age-based versions....) in the wiki | |
| sdziallas | nirik: i didn't have them on the list... didn't notice those... somehow | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: eventually yes, but I still think this group would be better served setting a smaller, more-easily attainable goal, and accomplishing that first, before branching out. | |
| rdieter | shrug, but documenting ideas, categorizing apps, is always needed. | |
| rdieter | so, ignore me. | |
| sdziallas | okay ;) so lets talk about math :) i'll post the log and put some things in the wiki, though | |
| rdieter | don't get me wrong, I love all that stuff, I just don't want to get bogged down discussing a ton of diferent things with the end result of nothing. | |
| sdziallas | +1... maybe we should try to get a first spin out asap.... i mean, f9 is not so far away :) and maybe, we should accomplish this *before* f10 | |
| rdieter | I think it's doable within weeks or months. | |
| sdziallas | ...which would be quite nice. i think we need an idea concerning the included apps... than, I might work a possible config (which should not take too long) and than, it's just a question of getting it approved and hosted | |
| wwoods | F10Alpha freeze is 9 weeks away. | |
| * spstarr_work looks at wwoods | ||
| wwoods | Just a friendly reminder. | |
| spstarr_work | shouldn't that countdown only begin *after* F9 is GA? | |
| wwoods | why? people have been building new packages for f10 for a couple of weeks now | |
| spstarr_work | true | |
| rdieter | wow, 9 weeks isn't very long. | |
| wwoods | planning for new features for F10 starts as soon as we close F9 for features | |
| rdieter | time flies when you're having fun. | |
| wwoods | that was months ago | |
| spstarr_work | wwoods: but rawhide hasn't switched to f10-devel yet :/ | |
| wwoods | we move pretty quick here, people | |
| spstarr_work | even if i could just switch myself to it | |
| wwoods | p.s. doooooom | |
| wwoods | heh | |
| wwoods | it'll be unlocked in a couple of days | |
| wwoods | anyway, wasn't trying to derail the conversations | |
| rdieter | wwoods: not at all, thx. | |
| sdziallas | yeah :) | |
| spstarr_work | rdieter: my packages are targeted for F10, since they aren't really useful for post-F9 unless your backporting KDE 4.1 to post-F9 later? ;-) | |
| rdieter | spstarr_work: we will, yeah, most likely. | |
| spstarr_work | ok | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: do you have a good enough list of math apps yet? or do we need some more suggestions and brainstorming? | |
| sdziallas | kdeedu, qalculate, wxmaxima, octave (?), gnuplot, kpolynome, orpie | |
| sdziallas | that's on my list... basically | |
| nirik | orpie is not very pretty, but It's small so I guess it could be handy. | |
| sdziallas | the package is 650 kb... should be fine, hu? :) | |
| rdieter | Macaulay2, R (warning: big) | |
| sdziallas | package is 6,3 mb... i have a look at the deps | |
| sdziallas | not much more.... should stay at about 6,5 mb | |
| nirik | scipy ? | |
| rdieter | nirik: I'd lean toward no, let's stick with apps with ui's. | |
| rdieter | gui preferable even. | |
| nirik | ok, fair enough | |
| sdziallas | would cost us again about 6.5 mb - i have never used this one before.... so?! | |
| sdziallas | leave it off the spin? | |
| sdziallas | maybe, i should just take those apps and work on a kickstart file... | |
| rdieter | cool, I gotta run in a few minutes, thx for the meeting (so far). | |
| sdziallas | okay :) | |
| sdziallas | anything else to discuss so far, or should we talk again in a week or so? | |
| sdziallas | well, I'm going to post some results on the list | |
| sdziallas | thank you everybody | |
| sdziallas | have a nice day | |
| sdziallas | meeting adjourned! | |
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