<mattf> morning tim
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<tstclair> morning mattf
<mattf> who's here for the big data sig meeting?
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<tstclair> Morning gil__
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<tstclair> Morning Folks, I figured I would collect a list of agenda items: 1.) Status 2.) Issues / Blockers 3.) Feel free to add to the list.
<samkottler> tstclair: do we want to use meetbot?
<mattf> samkottler, good idea
<mattf> first meeting hiccups
<tstclair> samkottler, 1st time doing this..
<gil__> tstclair: +1
<samkottler> tstclair: hehe no worries :)
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<samkottler> tstclair: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html is a good intro
<tstclair> I thought this channel was always recorded according to the docs.
<tstclair> I think we can figure out logistics for next round.
<tstclair> So current question: is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/bigdata/packaging up to date? And are there other items that folks thave been looking into?
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<tstclair> witlessb, <tstclair> So current question: is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/bigdata/packaging up to date? And are there other items that folks thave been looking into?
<mattf> gil__, i added solr to the packaging list when you announced it on the mailing list, fyi
<mattf> tstclair, it's up2date wrt what i'm working on
<tstclair> To give a brief synopsis: I've submitted curator and updated tachyon to build against the latest 0.4.0 branch. There were several issues in testing and I have to patches that hack around the issues and opened tickets upstream .
<tstclair> Are there any new developments that are not on the list?
<gil__> ... again some BR from finish to review....
<tstclair> besser82, witlessb, rsquared, pmackinn any updates / issues ?
<rsquared> Developments as in new bits being packaged or updates on existing packages?
<mizdebsk> i'm trying to find time to work on better Ivy integration, which should improve packaging of some applications (Scala stuff and others) </nowiki>
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<tstclair> rsquared, both.
<besser82> tstclair: actually no issues / updates from me...
<pmackinn> tstclair, nothing here
<witlessb> tstclair: none from me
<tstclair> mizdebsk, I'm sure pmackinn and willb would be interested there.
<mattf> tstclair, did zookeeper get settled?
<rsquared> hadoop 2.2.0 in F20 has a minor issue with the hadoop-common testing jar/pom. It's misnamed. I've got a fix I can spin if it's blocking anyone.
<tstclair> I took ownership, I'm heavily dependent..
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<tstclair> both tachyon and mesos require. </nowiki>
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<tstclair> mattf, ^
<tstclair> are some of our friends from IBM in the audience?
<rsquared> masta: FYI, guava update coming in rawhide
<mizdebsk> i'll work on guava next week
<gil__> lucene-spatial https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1002154
<tstclair> Second Item: Are there any issues folks are blocked on or need assistance with.
<mattf> i'm not blocked
<gil__> lucene-analysis-morfologik https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1002170
<tstclair> I'll follow up with willb tomorrow, but I know there were issues with scala and sbt.
<gil__> solr core https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1005904
<pmackinn> tstclair, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010383 to start, fpc exception request filed
<rsquared> hadoop-2.2.0 is currently blocked in rawhide by bz1023116. mizdebsk knows about it and is looking into it
<mattf> gil__, will you add those to the packages in review or to the review tracker?
<gil__> just the 1^
<tstclair> I have no blockers.
<tstclair> Item 3: Any new developments in the BIG-DATA ecosystem that are worth watching?
<tstclair> I've seen a lot of new ML coming into the works, no clear leaders.
<gil__> i have only a problem with solr contib module:
<tstclair> A lot of stuff based on Spark 0.8+
<rsquared> HBase has a few dependencies awaiting review and I need to submit the jamon packages as well.
<rsquared> HBase itself is compiling but need eval of test suite
<mattf> at hadoop world this week i had a discussion and the topic of data nucleus came up. turns out it's something the community would like to get rid of.
<gil__> clustering require carrot2-mini-3.8.0 (this one depend with non-free mahout-math-0.6)
<rsquared> pmackinn: I'm sure you're glad to hear that about data nucleus
<pmackinn> i will eagerly follow upstream's lead in this regard
<mattf> ok, i'll give it a few days and see what shakes out
<tstclair> Is jline2 an issue for anyone, I have not dug in there.
<mizdebsk> jline stuff should be no problem, there is either 1.x or 2.x to choose from
<rsquared> I'm not sure how much jline is used in hadoop, but I am expecting jline 2 to cause a problem. Unsure if I'll need to rely on the compat package
<tstclair> mizdebsk, for now... I thought that there was the intention of deprecating.
<rsquared> tstclair: There's also netty and guava changes coming
<rsquared> I expect both to be an issue for hadoop
<mizdebsk> ideally, yes, i can't say much, but i've ported 2 packages to jline 2.10 and this was just a simple namespace change
<tstclair> do we need compat packages?
<gil__> netty breaks some thing also on gradle
<mizdebsk> for guava, i'll investigate
<mizdebsk> netty already has a compat package (netty31), netty will be updated to 4.x
<tstclair> rsquared, ^
<gil__> for gradle netty31 is unusable
<rsquared> The maintainer of netty said he doesn't plan to maintain a compat package
<mizdebsk> rsquared: i am maintainer of netty and there already is a compat package
<tstclair> well don't they usually hang on until the deps transition?
<gil__> littleproxy is the library which caause the problem with gradle/netty
<rsquared> mizdebsk: who is Jon VanAlten then? He sent the e-mails about the new netty and said he didn't plan to maintain a compat version
<mizdebsk> tstclair: of course, for reasonable time, but i cannot wait for months
<mizdebsk> rsquared: he is a comaintainer
<rsquared> hadoop uses the current netty (3.6). Not sure if 3.1 will work. Is there need/plan for a netty 3.6 compat package?
<gil__> newer littleproxy required some libraries wich dont work and dont compile under java7
<tstclair> mizdebsk, what is a reasonable time?
<mizdebsk> tstclair: depends on the case, if i can see there are difficulties and there is some progress, i can wait
<gil__> Java wrapper for native C++ UDT protocol require also for build native libraries
<mizdebsk> otherwise i'm updating; maintainers of dependant packages can always fork the old version and convert it to compat package
<gil__> org.codeswarm:maven-nar-plugin:20121119 which is not compatible with our surefire version
<rsquared> gil__: Is gradle planning to be dropped?
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<gil__> rsquared: there are too many problems with gradle at the moment
<gil__> asm conflict
<gil__> newer eclipse aether apis
<rsquared> mizdebsk: What's the typical timeline line for updates like these? If a package breaks in rawhide because of a dep update is there a problem so long as it's fixed by next release cycle?
<gil__> please mizdebsk,remember if i've forgotten something...
<mizdebsk> rsquared: according to the policy, announce 1 week in advance and then you can update
<mizdebsk> (that's why i wait with guava for next week)
<rsquared> mizdebsk: What about the packages that are broken by the update? What is there time line like?
<mizdebsk> rsquared: that is up to maintainers of dependant packages
<mizdebsk> sometimes they are not fixed for multiple releases
<gil__> http://pastebin.com/xqed2aWv barchart-udt java7 problems
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<mizdebsk> gil__: these gradle problems you mentioned are IMO minor
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<masta> rsquared: huh?
<mizdebsk> the biggest 2 problems are version incompatibility and problems with bootstrapping
<mattf> masta, tab-completion fail
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<tstclair> Another question which I've not been paying too much attention to, is there going to be a transition to 1.8 in the mid/near term?
<gil__> ah ok is for import latest littleproxy release with netty 4.x support(gradle)
<tstclair> Are there other items folks wanted to discuss...? gil__, mattf, mizdebsk, pmackinn, rsquared , besser82 ?
<mizdebsk> not really
<mattf> let's use the meeting bot next time
<mattf> that's it from me
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<rsquared> I've got nothing more
<tstclair> kalev, I will try to summarize some of the items and I have a few open questions and I will email the list.
<tstclair> Thanks everyone!