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# mkrizek (5) | |||
# jskladan (4) | |||
# fenris02 (3) | |||
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* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095754.html Proposed meeting agenda] | * [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095754.html Proposed meeting agenda] | ||
* [ | * [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-11-29/fedora-qa.2010-11-29-16.00.html MeetBot summary] | ||
== Previous meeting follow-up == | == Previous meeting follow-up == | ||
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# jlaska to prep F15 test day wiki and request ideas on test@ | |||
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|- id="t16:00:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | |||
|| [[#t16:00:15|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Nov 29 16:00:15 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | |||
|| [[#t16:00:15|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | |||
|| [[#t16:00:15|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa | |||
|| [[#t16:00:18|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot | |||
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | |||
|| [[#t16:00:18|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Waiting for participants... | |||
|| [[#t16:00:33|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:43" | |||
| colspan="2" | * jskladan_lunch lurks | |||
|| [[#t16:00:43|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | yo | |||
|| [[#t16:00:52|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:00:59" | |||
| colspan="2" | * jskladan_lunch heh, seems like a long lunch :) | |||
|| [[#t16:00:59|16:00]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:07" | |||
| colspan="2" | * mkrizek is here | |||
|| [[#t16:01:07|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: welcome you lurker :) | |||
|| [[#t16:01:07|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | mkrizek: do you have lecture today? | |||
|| [[#t16:01:16|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | mkrizek | |||
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: yes, but I am not there:) | |||
|| [[#t16:01:30|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | mkrizek: secret is safe with me :) | |||
|| [[#t16:01:38|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | mkrizek | |||
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: I gave up on math | |||
|| [[#t16:01:46|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:01:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | sounds like a good t-shirt idea | |||
|| [[#t16:01:56|16:01]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | jskladan | |||
| style="color: #488888" | hehe | |||
|| [[#t16:02:03|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | mkrizek | |||
| style="color: #854685" | :) | |||
|| [[#t16:02:06|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:16" | |||
| colspan="2" | * kparal here | |||
|| [[#t16:02:16|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: adamw: hello | |||
|| [[#t16:02:28|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone else lurking? | |||
|| [[#t16:02:42|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:02:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods around? | |||
|| [[#t16:02:50|16:02]] | |||
|- id="t16:03:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Proposed meeting agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095754.html | |||
|| [[#t16:03:21|16:03]] | |||
|- id="t16:03:37" | |||
| colspan="2" | * wwoods here! | |||
|| [[#t16:03:37|16:03]] | |||
|- id="t16:03:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: yay, welcome back | |||
|| [[#t16:03:44|16:03]] | |||
|- id="t16:04:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Alright, let's get started ... will certainly welcome any late #joins | |||
|| [[#t16:04:19|16:04]] | |||
|- id="t16:04:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | |||
|| [[#t16:04:23|16:04]] | |||
|- id="t16:04:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | We had no meeting last week ... so I'm not aware of any follow-up items | |||
|| [[#t16:04:59|16:04]] | |||
|- id="t16:05:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I've been working the QA recommendations and prepping for creating new tickets | |||
|| [[#t16:05:25|16:05]] | |||
|- id="t16:05:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so that'll explain our first topic | |||
|| [[#t16:05:33|16:05]] | |||
|- id="t16:05:42" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else folks wanted to raise before we dive in? | |||
|| [[#t16:05:42|16:05]] | |||
|- id="t16:06:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | alright | |||
|| [[#t16:06:15|16:06]] | |||
|- id="t16:06:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Tickets please! | |||
|| [[#t16:06:23|16:06]] | |||
|- id="t16:06:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | A bit late ... but just a heads up on the ticket traffic to the mailing list | |||
|| [[#t16:06:35|16:06]] | |||
|- id="t16:06:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I've been kicking some older F14 fedora-qa tickets ... and will start filing for F15 shortly | |||
|| [[#t16:06:56|16:06]] | |||
|- id="t16:07:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | So apologies for the mail volume :) | |||
|| [[#t16:07:02|16:07]] | |||
|- id="t16:07:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | As always ... if anyone wants to recommend something for F15, tickets welcome | |||
|| [[#t16:07:28|16:07]] | |||
|- id="t16:07:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/roadmap | |||
|| [[#t16:07:31|16:07]] | |||
|- id="t16:07:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | This concludes the public service announcement on tickets (sort of) | |||
|| [[#t16:07:56|16:07]] | |||
|- id="t16:08:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Draft OpenLDAP test case | |||
|| [[#t16:08:03|16:08]] | |||
|- id="t16:08:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | This topic came up on the list as a result of a recent openldap update | |||
|| [[#t16:08:17|16:08]] | |||
|- id="t16:08:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095719.html | |||
|| [[#t16:08:27|16:08]] | |||
|- id="t16:08:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Basically, nirik and jvcelak were discussing documenting the steps to test the openldap-servers package | |||
|| [[#t16:08:48|16:08]] | |||
|- id="t16:08:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hooray! I like it when maintainers / experts give test cases. | |||
|| [[#t16:08:53|16:08]] | |||
|- id="t16:09:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | yup | |||
|| [[#t16:09:00|16:09]] | |||
|- id="t16:09:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah definitely | |||
|| [[#t16:09:13|16:09]] | |||
|- id="t16:09:24" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I thought this might be a good opportunity to see if anyone wanted to volunteer to wiki-ize that test case | |||
|| [[#t16:09:24|16:09]] | |||
|- id="t16:10:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | This couples with another topic for F15, in terms of providing a structure for organizing proventester tests on the wiki | |||
|| [[#t16:10:10|16:10]] | |||
|- id="t16:10:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | but for now ... this seemed like a nice K.I.S.S. example to try | |||
|| [[#t16:10:22|16:10]] | |||
|- id="t16:11:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | if no one is anxious to grab this ... I'll add a #help to the minutes | |||
|| [[#t16:11:03|16:11]] | |||
|- id="t16:11:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | if we get a test case i'll wikify it | |||
|| [[#t16:11:29|16:11]] | |||
|- id="t16:11:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | as you said we need to set up some kind of structure for this | |||
|| [[#t16:11:38|16:11]] | |||
|- id="t16:11:57" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | and ideally link it in to bodhi so when you see a testing update notification for a package with a test case there's a link to the test case... | |||
|| [[#t16:11:57|16:11]] | |||
|- id="t16:12:19" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah ... that's the direction I think we'd all like to see it move | |||
|| [[#t16:12:19|16:12]] | |||
|- id="t16:12:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | linking this stuff together, providing quick+easy instructions for how to add content | |||
|| [[#t16:12:33|16:12]] | |||
|- id="t16:13:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | These proventester requests from maintainers seem like really good opportunities to document some test instructions | |||
|| [[#t16:13:03|16:13]] | |||
|- id="t16:13:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I can definitely help on the wiki side ... but I think we need volunteers to talk through the basic instructions with the maintainer so we know what to document | |||
|| [[#t16:13:31|16:13]] | |||
|- id="t16:14:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | this seems like a good challenge for proventesters, but writing wiki pages isn't the most exciting thing for some people | |||
|| [[#t16:14:09|16:14]] | |||
|- id="t16:14:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't mind wiki work myself ... but I'd need help from proventesters to ask questions from maintainers, get instructions, and maybe file fedora-qa TRAC tickets so we can integrate this stuff | |||
|| [[#t16:14:53|16:14]] | |||
|- id="t16:15:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | sure | |||
|| [[#t16:15:22|16:15]] | |||
|- id="t16:15:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | So ... look for more discussion on this going forward. As always, we don't have all the answers, but are looking for someone interested in breaking new ground to figure out a good workflow here | |||
|| [[#t16:15:26|16:15]] | |||
|- id="t16:15:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | let's just do one first | |||
|| [[#t16:15:30|16:15]] | |||
|- id="t16:15:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | exactly | |||
|| [[#t16:15:34|16:15]] | |||
|- id="t16:16:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | so in the meantime ... let's figure out how to get some repeatable instructions out of the thread (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095719.html) | |||
|| [[#t16:16:00|16:16]] | |||
|- id="t16:16:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fenris02 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | openldap test case ... run migratetools and then run queries that you can verify against the /etc files | |||
|| [[#t16:16:12|16:16]] | |||
|- id="t16:16:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fenris02 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | if either the migrate or the query fails, the test fails as a whole | |||
|| [[#t16:16:30|16:16]] | |||
|- id="t16:16:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fenris02: cool, that's the kind of stuff we'd be looking to start fleshing out on the list | |||
|| [[#t16:16:44|16:16]] | |||
|- id="t16:17:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Alright ... anything else on this topic? Otherwise, I'll move on ... | |||
|| [[#t16:17:12|16:17]] | |||
|- id="t16:17:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | fenris02 | |||
| style="color: #4b904b" | migareteools is already in the repo, and already works - so it's really just to wrap a script around the process | |||
|| [[#t16:17:13|16:17]] | |||
|- id="t16:18:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | fenris02: sounds like you might be on to something, let's bring that up in front of the maintainers for input/feedback | |||
|| [[#t16:18:33|16:18]] | |||
|- id="t16:18:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Call for F15 Test Days | |||
|| [[#t16:18:43|16:18]] | |||
|- id="t16:19:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Another public service announcement requesting Test Day ideas and hosts | |||
|| [[#t16:19:00|16:19]] | |||
|- id="t16:19:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | There are a few topics which will likely make for good events already ... | |||
|| [[#t16:19:28|16:19]] | |||
|- id="t16:19:35" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | is there a mail thread for this, so I don't repeat already-suggested ideas? | |||
|| [[#t16:19:35|16:19]] | |||
|- id="t16:19:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | or perhaps they're already on the wiki page? | |||
|| [[#t16:19:46|16:19]] | |||
|- id="t16:19:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: not yet, but I can kick one off | |||
|| [[#t16:19:49|16:19]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:03" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ... if that would help get ideas flowing | |||
|| [[#t16:20:03|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:05" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | or use the Talk: section of the appropriate wiki page to collect ideas | |||
|| [[#t16:20:05|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska to prep F15 test day wiki and request ideas on test@ | |||
|| [[#t16:20:27|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: good suggestion, thanks | |||
|| [[#t16:20:33|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:41" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | might be a good idea - I'd like to get some suggestions from the desktop/gnome3 hackers | |||
|| [[#t16:20:41|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:46" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | already working on that | |||
|| [[#t16:20:46|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | see desktop list archives | |||
|| [[#t16:20:53|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:20:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah ... GNOME3 will have some representation I'm sure (adamw) | |||
|| [[#t16:20:59|16:20]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | "GNOME3" itself is too broad but I'm sure there are some specific areas that would benefit from a test day | |||
|| [[#t16:21:02|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | xorg-x11-drv again I bet? | |||
|| [[#t16:21:09|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | yes | |||
|| [[#t16:21:12|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | systemd | |||
|| [[#t16:21:15|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | yes | |||
|| [[#t16:21:17|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | jsmith | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Yeah... I've been doing some jhbuild tests -- and I'm sure some others would love to test as well | |||
|| [[#t16:21:18|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | ABRT retraceserver | |||
|| [[#t16:21:22|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | jsmith: no rawhide? wimp | |||
|| [[#t16:21:40|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:21:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #link Good place to watch for ideas - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/FeatureList | |||
|| [[#t16:21:43|16:21]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, so I'll take action to prep the wiki and follow-up on test@lists.fp.org | |||
|| [[#t16:22:04|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | jsmith | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: That's on my to-do list this week :-p | |||
|| [[#t16:22:09|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | i've been doing rawhide + jhbuild gnome-shell. actually RAWER than rawhide. woo, yeh, &c | |||
|| [[#t16:22:11|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:25" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | heh | |||
|| [[#t16:22:25|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | linking to what adamw has already kicked off w/ GNOME3 at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-November/006702.html | |||
|| [[#t16:22:26|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | jsmith | |||
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: (although the last time I ran rawhide, the Gnome Shell packages weren't the most up to date) | |||
|| [[#t16:22:30|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | they're pretty up to date now. | |||
|| [[#t16:22:38|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:45" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-November/006702.html | |||
|| [[#t16:22:45|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days | |||
|| [[#t16:22:56|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:22:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | they were kept intentionally old in F14 because we couldn't package the newest gnome shell and still keep f14 a gnome2 environment. | |||
|| [[#t16:22:59|16:22]] | |||
|- id="t16:23:11" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Alright ... any other thoughts around F15 Test Days before moving on? | |||
|| [[#t16:23:11|16:23]] | |||
|- id="t16:23:36" | |||
| colspan="2" | * jlaska intends to follow the same wiki schedule + TRAC ticket approach we used for the last 2 releases | |||
|| [[#t16:23:36|16:23]] | |||
|- id="t16:24:10" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | moving along ... next topic | |||
|| [[#t16:24:10|16:24]] | |||
|- id="t16:24:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA Update | |||
|| [[#t16:24:13|16:24]] | |||
|- id="t16:24:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: take it away | |||
|| [[#t16:24:18|16:24]] | |||
|- id="t16:25:24" | |||
| colspan="2" | * kparal stops eating peanuts | |||
|| [[#t16:25:24|16:25]] | |||
|- id="t16:25:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | let's go :) | |||
|| [[#t16:25:31|16:25]] | |||
|- id="t16:25:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | heh | |||
|| [[#t16:25:32|16:25]] | |||
|- id="t16:25:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | it was quite some time from last AutoQA update, so I don't precisely remember what was said, maybe I'll repeat something | |||
|| [[#t16:25:55|16:25]] | |||
|- id="t16:26:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | we created a nice roadmap, thanks jlaska for improving the layout: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap | |||
|| [[#t16:26:18|16:26]] | |||
|- id="t16:26:36" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Updated roadmap wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap | |||
|| [[#t16:26:36|16:26]] | |||
|- id="t16:26:40" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | we're now busy working on 0.4.4 milestone: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/0.4.4 | |||
|| [[#t16:26:40|16:26]] | |||
|- id="t16:27:06" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | I'm glad we all are finally working on the same task, I feel it moves forward much faster now | |||
|| [[#t16:27:06|16:27]] | |||
|- id="t16:28:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hooray! | |||
|| [[#t16:28:12|16:28]] | |||
|- id="t16:28:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | today I have pushed support for fas.conf (ticket 244), and when mkrizek finished his patch (ticket 205), we will be able to send comments to Bodhi | |||
|| [[#t16:28:33|16:28]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | upgradepath is expected to be the first test bunny (what's the expression in english?:) ) | |||
|| [[#t16:29:09|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:20" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | guinea pig! | |||
|| [[#t16:29:20|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:27" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | right! :) | |||
|| [[#t16:29:27|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | (man, that's a weird expression now that I think of it) | |||
|| [[#t16:29:28|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:48" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | space monkey. | |||
|| [[#t16:29:48|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:29:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | jskladan in the mean time works on rewriting our bodhi watcher so that it works great with depcheck once it's ready | |||
|| [[#t16:29:59|16:29]] | |||
|- id="t16:30:01" | |||
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion is here .... wayyyyy late, but here | |||
|| [[#t16:30:01|16:30]] | |||
|- id="t16:30:28" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | jskladan | |||
| style="color: #488888" | kparal: the bodhi watcher is done - I've been fighting with the depcheck lately | |||
|| [[#t16:30:28|16:30]] | |||
|- id="t16:30:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | jskladan | |||
| style="color: #488888" | (at least the quick'n'dirty "run just one autoqa instance for the whole batch of new stuff") | |||
|| [[#t16:30:56|16:30]] | |||
|- id="t16:30:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | did I already mention we released 0.4.3 lately? well we did. and we updated documentation, too! :) | |||
|| [[#t16:30:59|16:30]] | |||
|- id="t16:31:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: jskladan: I was confused last week by the bodhi watcher changes ... but I think I understand it a little better now | |||
|| [[#t16:31:09|16:31]] | |||
|- id="t16:31:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | mkrizek: jskladan: do you want to talk more in detail about your current tasks? | |||
|| [[#t16:31:33|16:31]] | |||
|- id="t16:31:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | it's 2 part right? Part#1) change the watch so it includes all updates since last fire, instead of running for *each* update | |||
|| [[#t16:31:47|16:31]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | part#2 - Change to monitor the koji -pending tag, instead of scrubbing bodhi? | |||
|| [[#t16:32:01|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jskladan: I saw your email about depcheck not working as expected and sent a reply on the list - happy to talk through the problem further on IRC if need be | |||
|| [[#t16:32:07|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:14" | |||
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | dgilmore | |||
| style="color: #9b519b" | win 14 | |||
|| [[#t16:32:14|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info ticket#244 (fas.conf) now in master - http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=commit;h=1b1d73030401a5859751b871043c15a2f8877064 | |||
|| [[#t16:32:33|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:55" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info mkrizek working on ticket#205, see mkrizek branch (http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mkrizek) | |||
|| [[#t16:32:55|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:32:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #488888" | jskladan | |||
| style="color: #488888" | wwoods: sure, let's catch up on that after the meeting | |||
|| [[#t16:32:59|16:32]] | |||
|- id="t16:33:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #854685" | mkrizek | |||
| style="color: #854685" | not at the moment, once the patch (#205) is done (which should be very soon since I only need to test it on server) I will post a description of the patch on the autoqa-devel | |||
|| [[#t16:33:01|16:33]] | |||
|- id="t16:33:25" | |||
| colspan="2" | * kparal ran out of peanuts | |||
|| [[#t16:33:25|16:33]] | |||
|- id="t16:33:38" | |||
| colspan="2" | * jlaska overnights more peanuts | |||
|| [[#t16:33:38|16:33]] | |||
|- id="t16:34:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | ok, so that was a short summary on AutoQA front | |||
|| [[#t16:34:17|16:34]] | |||
|- id="t16:35:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: clumens is just about done with his anaconda_storage unittest integration. Can we get that on the roadmap for a future update? | |||
|| [[#t16:35:12|16:35]] | |||
|- id="t16:35:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | jlaska: I noticed he had mentioned that on his blog, but I basically don't know anything about that | |||
|| [[#t16:35:39|16:35]] | |||
|- id="t16:36:01" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | what does it do? | |||
|| [[#t16:36:01|16:36]] | |||
|- id="t16:36:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: Clumens, or I, will kick off discussion on autoqa-devel@ soon ... just wanted to give you a heads up | |||
|| [[#t16:36:04|16:36]] | |||
|- id="t16:36:15" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | ok | |||
|| [[#t16:36:15|16:36]] | |||
|- id="t16:36:37" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | we can surely add it to the roadmap once we know something more about it :) | |||
|| [[#t16:36:37|16:36]] | |||
|- id="t16:36:44" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | great, thanks! | |||
|| [[#t16:36:44|16:36]] | |||
|- id="t16:37:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | alright ... anything else to add on autoqa? | |||
|| [[#t16:37:16|16:37]] | |||
|- id="t16:37:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: any additional depcheck work you're planning that isn't in the autoqa-0.4.4 milestone (https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=0.4.4)? | |||
|| [[#t16:37:32|16:37]] | |||
|- id="t16:38:31" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | wwoods: I believe there are still a few pending questions about depcheck in autoqa-devel (but I haven't read through those last-hour emails yet) | |||
|| [[#t16:38:31|16:38]] | |||
|- id="t16:39:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | let's see | |||
|| [[#t16:39:30|16:39]] | |||
|- id="t16:40:23" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/248 represents what I hope is the last major problem | |||
|| [[#t16:40:23|16:40]] | |||
|- id="t16:40:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | basically there's some complexities relating to when and how packages get tagged / accepted / karma'd | |||
|| [[#t16:40:47|16:40]] | |||
|- id="t16:41:04" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I'm writing up a blog post explaining the details, hopefully for release later this week | |||
|| [[#t16:41:04|16:41]] | |||
|- id="t16:41:39" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Nice ... those are always good posts | |||
|| [[#t16:41:39|16:41]] | |||
|- id="t16:41:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | in short: bad things could happen if the -pending set changes while we're testing | |||
|| [[#t16:41:52|16:41]] | |||
|- id="t16:42:38" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | there's two ways to prevent bad things from happening: either a) treat packages that pass an earlier test as "blessed" and pretend like they've already been pushed live | |||
|| [[#t16:42:38|16:42]] | |||
|- id="t16:42:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info wwoods working on ticket#248 - bad things happen if -pending set changes while test is running | |||
|| [[#t16:42:47|16:42]] | |||
|- id="t16:43:09" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | or b) retest all the pending packages and revoke the +1 karma / acceptance if the package fails due to an interaction with a newer package | |||
|| [[#t16:43:09|16:43]] | |||
|- id="t16:43:18" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | b) is much trickier, so we're doing a) | |||
|| [[#t16:43:18|16:43]] | |||
|- id="t16:43:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #97974f" | kparal | |||
| style="color: #97974f" | well, we don't plan to add karma for now. if the result changes, we post another comment with the new result | |||
|| [[#t16:43:47|16:43]] | |||
|- id="t16:43:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | AFAICT they're equivalent otherwise | |||
|| [[#t16:43:52|16:43]] | |||
|- id="t16:44:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | anyway this requires depcheck to be able to treat some of its inputs as if they were already live | |||
|| [[#t16:44:12|16:44]] | |||
|- id="t16:44:34" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | so I added code to do that, the week before the break | |||
|| [[#t16:44:34|16:44]] | |||
|- id="t16:44:53" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | we'll need to adapt the test wrapper accordingly (to use the --accepted flag) | |||
|| [[#t16:44:53|16:44]] | |||
|- id="t16:45:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | also jskladan seems to have uncovered a confusing problem that we're working on fixing or giving better diagnostic info about | |||
|| [[#t16:45:30|16:45]] | |||
|- id="t16:45:47" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | anyway, the blog post will explain more | |||
|| [[#t16:45:47|16:45]] | |||
|- id="t16:46:32" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for the extra info ... looking forward to the post | |||
|| [[#t16:46:32|16:46]] | |||
|- id="t16:47:02" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we're ready for <open discussion> ... will change topic if no other autoqa discussion | |||
|| [[#t16:47:02|16:47]] | |||
|- id="t16:47:33" | |||
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | wwoods | |||
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | open that discussion! | |||
|| [[#t16:47:33|16:47]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:12" | |||
| colspan="2" | * nirik would like to mention something... | |||
|| [[#t16:48:12|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:22" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: autoqa-related, or other? | |||
|| [[#t16:48:22|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | other | |||
|| [[#t16:48:29|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:49" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... | |||
|| [[#t16:48:49|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:56" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | |||
|| [[#t16:48:56|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:48:59" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: take it away | |||
|| [[#t16:48:59|16:48]] | |||
|- id="t16:49:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, there was another long thread on the devel list recently about updates and updates process, etc. | |||
|| [[#t16:49:29|16:49]] | |||
|- id="t16:49:43" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | I gathered up all the suggestions (good or bad) in a list. | |||
|| [[#t16:49:43|16:49]] | |||
|- id="t16:49:52" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | for fesco to look at adjusting things. | |||
|| [[#t16:49:52|16:49]] | |||
|- id="t16:50:13" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | It would be cool if we could get QA thoughts/input on the ideas... what ones are best worth considering. | |||
|| [[#t16:50:13|16:50]] | |||
|- id="t16:50:29" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | should I just mail the list? do a ticket? or how best to gather that input? | |||
|| [[#t16:50:29|16:50]] | |||
|- id="t16:50:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw | |||
| style="color: #818144" | mailing the list is fine, i think. | |||
|| [[#t16:50:50|16:50]] | |||
|- id="t16:50:50" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | howabout a link here ... and perhaps a follow-up on the list? | |||
|| [[#t16:50:50|16:50]] | |||
|- id="t16:51:07" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | well, here's a paste of the list I have: http://fpaste.org/TYJ6/ | |||
|| [[#t16:51:07|16:51]] | |||
|- id="t16:51:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | yeah, can mail the list... | |||
|| [[#t16:51:16|16:51]] | |||
|- id="t16:52:21" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | great thanks ... I'll be happy to add some thoughts there, as I'm sure others will | |||
|| [[#t16:52:21|16:52]] | |||
|- id="t16:52:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | nirik | |||
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok. Sounds great. | |||
|| [[#t16:52:30|16:52]] | |||
|- id="t16:53:00" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #info nirik to send updates process ideas to test@ for feedback (preview at http://fpaste.org/TYJ6/) | |||
|| [[#t16:53:00|16:53]] | |||
|- id="t16:53:12" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | Any other discussion topics? | |||
|| [[#t16:53:12|16:53]] | |||
|- id="t16:54:17" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, closing out the meeting in 1 minute | |||
|| [[#t16:54:17|16:54]] | |||
|- id="t16:55:16" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty ... 10 seconds ... | |||
|| [[#t16:55:16|16:55]] | |||
|- id="t16:55:26" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks gang ... I'll send minutes to the list | |||
|| [[#t16:55:26|16:55]] | |||
|- id="t16:55:30" | |||
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska | |||
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting | |||
|| [[#t16:55:30|16:55]] | |||
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Attendees
People present (lines said)
- jlaska (97)
- wwoods (28)
- kparal (21)
- adamw (16)
- nirik (10)
- mkrizek (5)
- jskladan (4)
- fenris02 (3)
- jsmith (3)
- jskladan_lunch (2)
- maxamillion (1)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- None
Ticket cleanup
- Owner
- jlaska
- Summary
- Cleaning up F14 tickets in fedora-qa TRAC instance
- Next steps ...
- File F15 tickets for retrospective items
RFE - draft OpenLDAP test case
- Owner
- jvcelak
- Summary
- jvcelak documented basic test instructions for
openldap-servers
(see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095719.html). - Next steps ...
- Looking for volunteer to create test case using provided instructions
Call for Test Days
- Owner
- jlaska
- Summary
- Call for ideas/owners for test days
- See list of approved features
- Next steps ...
Create fedora-qa ticket
AutoQA Update
- Owner
- kparal
- Summary
- Update on the latest autoqa plans
- Next steps ...
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
- No topics suggested
Action items
- jlaska to prep F15 test day wiki and request ideas on test@
IRC Transcript
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 16:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Nov 29 16:00:15 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
jlaska | #topic Waiting for participants... | 16:00 |
* jskladan_lunch lurks | 16:00 | |
adamw | yo | 16:00 |
* jskladan_lunch heh, seems like a long lunch :) | 16:00 | |
* mkrizek is here | 16:01 | |
jlaska | jskladan: welcome you lurker :) | 16:01 |
jlaska | mkrizek: do you have lecture today? | 16:01 |
mkrizek | jlaska: yes, but I am not there:) | 16:01 |
jlaska | mkrizek: secret is safe with me :) | 16:01 |
mkrizek | jlaska: I gave up on math | 16:01 |
jlaska | sounds like a good t-shirt idea | 16:01 |
jskladan | hehe | 16:02 |
mkrizek | :) | 16:02 |
* kparal here | 16:02 | |
jlaska | kparal: adamw: hello | 16:02 |
jlaska | anyone else lurking? | 16:02 |
jlaska | wwoods around? | 16:02 |
jlaska | #info Proposed meeting agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095754.html | 16:03 |
* wwoods here! | 16:03 | |
jlaska | wwoods: yay, welcome back | 16:03 |
jlaska | Alright, let's get started ... will certainly welcome any late #joins | 16:04 |
jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 16:04 |
jlaska | We had no meeting last week ... so I'm not aware of any follow-up items | 16:04 |
jlaska | I've been working the QA recommendations and prepping for creating new tickets | 16:05 |
jlaska | so that'll explain our first topic | 16:05 |
jlaska | anything else folks wanted to raise before we dive in? | 16:05 |
jlaska | alright | 16:06 |
jlaska | #topic Tickets please! | 16:06 |
jlaska | A bit late ... but just a heads up on the ticket traffic to the mailing list | 16:06 |
jlaska | I've been kicking some older F14 fedora-qa tickets ... and will start filing for F15 shortly | 16:06 |
jlaska | So apologies for the mail volume :) | 16:07 |
jlaska | As always ... if anyone wants to recommend something for F15, tickets welcome | 16:07 |
jlaska | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/roadmap | 16:07 |
jlaska | This concludes the public service announcement on tickets (sort of) | 16:07 |
jlaska | #topic Draft OpenLDAP test case | 16:08 |
jlaska | This topic came up on the list as a result of a recent openldap update | 16:08 |
jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095719.html | 16:08 |
jlaska | Basically, nirik and jvcelak were discussing documenting the steps to test the openldap-servers package | 16:08 |
wwoods | hooray! I like it when maintainers / experts give test cases. | 16:08 |
adamw | yup | 16:09 |
jlaska | yeah definitely | 16:09 |
jlaska | I thought this might be a good opportunity to see if anyone wanted to volunteer to wiki-ize that test case | 16:09 |
jlaska | This couples with another topic for F15, in terms of providing a structure for organizing proventester tests on the wiki | 16:10 |
jlaska | but for now ... this seemed like a nice K.I.S.S. example to try | 16:10 |
jlaska | if no one is anxious to grab this ... I'll add a #help to the minutes | 16:11 |
adamw | if we get a test case i'll wikify it | 16:11 |
adamw | as you said we need to set up some kind of structure for this | 16:11 |
adamw | and ideally link it in to bodhi so when you see a testing update notification for a package with a test case there's a link to the test case... | 16:11 |
jlaska | adamw: yeah ... that's the direction I think we'd all like to see it move | 16:12 |
jlaska | linking this stuff together, providing quick+easy instructions for how to add content | 16:12 |
jlaska | These proventester requests from maintainers seem like really good opportunities to document some test instructions | 16:13 |
jlaska | I can definitely help on the wiki side ... but I think we need volunteers to talk through the basic instructions with the maintainer so we know what to document | 16:13 |
jlaska | this seems like a good challenge for proventesters, but writing wiki pages isn't the most exciting thing for some people | 16:14 |
jlaska | I don't mind wiki work myself ... but I'd need help from proventesters to ask questions from maintainers, get instructions, and maybe file fedora-qa TRAC tickets so we can integrate this stuff | 16:14 |
adamw | sure | 16:15 |
jlaska | So ... look for more discussion on this going forward. As always, we don't have all the answers, but are looking for someone interested in breaking new ground to figure out a good workflow here | 16:15 |
adamw | let's just do one first | 16:15 |
jlaska | exactly | 16:15 |
jlaska | so in the meantime ... let's figure out how to get some repeatable instructions out of the thread (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095719.html) | 16:16 |
fenris02 | openldap test case ... run migratetools and then run queries that you can verify against the /etc files | 16:16 |
fenris02 | if either the migrate or the query fails, the test fails as a whole | 16:16 |
jlaska | fenris02: cool, that's the kind of stuff we'd be looking to start fleshing out on the list | 16:16 |
jlaska | Alright ... anything else on this topic? Otherwise, I'll move on ... | 16:17 |
fenris02 | migareteools is already in the repo, and already works - so it's really just to wrap a script around the process | 16:17 |
jlaska | fenris02: sounds like you might be on to something, let's bring that up in front of the maintainers for input/feedback | 16:18 |
jlaska | #topic Call for F15 Test Days | 16:18 |
jlaska | Another public service announcement requesting Test Day ideas and hosts | 16:19 |
jlaska | There are a few topics which will likely make for good events already ... | 16:19 |
wwoods | is there a mail thread for this, so I don't repeat already-suggested ideas? | 16:19 |
wwoods | or perhaps they're already on the wiki page? | 16:19 |
jlaska | wwoods: not yet, but I can kick one off | 16:19 |
jlaska | ... if that would help get ideas flowing | 16:20 |
wwoods | or use the Talk: section of the appropriate wiki page to collect ideas | 16:20 |
jlaska | #action jlaska to prep F15 test day wiki and request ideas on test@ | 16:20 |
jlaska | wwoods: good suggestion, thanks | 16:20 |
wwoods | might be a good idea - I'd like to get some suggestions from the desktop/gnome3 hackers | 16:20 |
adamw | already working on that | 16:20 |
adamw | see desktop list archives | 16:20 |
jlaska | yeah ... GNOME3 will have some representation I'm sure (adamw) | 16:20 |
wwoods | "GNOME3" itself is too broad but I'm sure there are some specific areas that would benefit from a test day | 16:21 |
jlaska | xorg-x11-drv again I bet? | 16:21 |
adamw | yes | 16:21 |
jlaska | systemd | 16:21 |
adamw | yes | 16:21 |
jsmith | Yeah... I've been doing some jhbuild tests -- and I'm sure some others would love to test as well | 16:21 |
jlaska | ABRT retraceserver | 16:21 |
adamw | jsmith: no rawhide? wimp | 16:21 |
jlaska | #link Good place to watch for ideas - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/FeatureList | 16:21 |
jlaska | okay, so I'll take action to prep the wiki and follow-up on test@lists.fp.org | 16:22 |
jsmith | adamw: That's on my to-do list this week :-p | 16:22 |
wwoods | i've been doing rawhide + jhbuild gnome-shell. actually RAWER than rawhide. woo, yeh, &c | 16:22 |
adamw | heh | 16:22 |
jlaska | linking to what adamw has already kicked off w/ GNOME3 at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-November/006702.html | 16:22 |
jsmith | adamw: (although the last time I ran rawhide, the Gnome Shell packages weren't the most up to date) | 16:22 |
adamw | they're pretty up to date now. | 16:22 |
jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2010-November/006702.html | 16:22 |
jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days | 16:22 |
adamw | they were kept intentionally old in F14 because we couldn't package the newest gnome shell and still keep f14 a gnome2 environment. | 16:22 |
jlaska | Alright ... any other thoughts around F15 Test Days before moving on? | 16:23 |
* jlaska intends to follow the same wiki schedule + TRAC ticket approach we used for the last 2 releases | 16:23 | |
jlaska | moving along ... next topic | 16:24 |
jlaska | #topic AutoQA Update | 16:24 |
jlaska | kparal: take it away | 16:24 |
* kparal stops eating peanuts | 16:25 | |
kparal | let's go :) | 16:25 |
jlaska | heh | 16:25 |
kparal | it was quite some time from last AutoQA update, so I don't precisely remember what was said, maybe I'll repeat something | 16:25 |
kparal | we created a nice roadmap, thanks jlaska for improving the layout: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap | 16:26 |
jlaska | #info Updated roadmap wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap | 16:26 |
kparal | we're now busy working on 0.4.4 milestone: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/0.4.4 | 16:26 |
kparal | I'm glad we all are finally working on the same task, I feel it moves forward much faster now | 16:27 |
wwoods | hooray! | 16:28 |
kparal | today I have pushed support for fas.conf (ticket 244), and when mkrizek finished his patch (ticket 205), we will be able to send comments to Bodhi | 16:28 |
kparal | upgradepath is expected to be the first test bunny (what's the expression in english?:) ) | 16:29 |
wwoods | guinea pig! | 16:29 |
kparal | right! :) | 16:29 |
wwoods | (man, that's a weird expression now that I think of it) | 16:29 |
wwoods | space monkey. | 16:29 |
kparal | jskladan in the mean time works on rewriting our bodhi watcher so that it works great with depcheck once it's ready | 16:29 |
* maxamillion is here .... wayyyyy late, but here | 16:30 | |
jskladan | kparal: the bodhi watcher is done - I've been fighting with the depcheck lately | 16:30 |
jskladan | (at least the quick'n'dirty "run just one autoqa instance for the whole batch of new stuff") | 16:30 |
kparal | did I already mention we released 0.4.3 lately? well we did. and we updated documentation, too! :) | 16:30 |
jlaska | kparal: jskladan: I was confused last week by the bodhi watcher changes ... but I think I understand it a little better now | 16:31 |
kparal | mkrizek: jskladan: do you want to talk more in detail about your current tasks? | 16:31 |
jlaska | it's 2 part right? Part#1) change the watch so it includes all updates since last fire, instead of running for *each* update | 16:31 |
jlaska | part#2 - Change to monitor the koji -pending tag, instead of scrubbing bodhi? | 16:32 |
wwoods | jskladan: I saw your email about depcheck not working as expected and sent a reply on the list - happy to talk through the problem further on IRC if need be | 16:32 |
dgilmore | win 14 | 16:32 |
jlaska | #info ticket#244 (fas.conf) now in master - http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=commit;h=1b1d73030401a5859751b871043c15a2f8877064 | 16:32 |
jlaska | #info mkrizek working on ticket#205, see mkrizek branch (http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mkrizek) | 16:32 |
jskladan | wwoods: sure, let's catch up on that after the meeting | 16:32 |
mkrizek | not at the moment, once the patch (#205) is done (which should be very soon since I only need to test it on server) I will post a description of the patch on the autoqa-devel | 16:33 |
* kparal ran out of peanuts | 16:33 | |
* jlaska overnights more peanuts | 16:33 | |
kparal | ok, so that was a short summary on AutoQA front | 16:34 |
jlaska | kparal: clumens is just about done with his anaconda_storage unittest integration. Can we get that on the roadmap for a future update? | 16:35 |
kparal | jlaska: I noticed he had mentioned that on his blog, but I basically don't know anything about that | 16:35 |
kparal | what does it do? | 16:36 |
jlaska | kparal: Clumens, or I, will kick off discussion on autoqa-devel@ soon ... just wanted to give you a heads up | 16:36 |
kparal | ok | 16:36 |
kparal | we can surely add it to the roadmap once we know something more about it :) | 16:36 |
jlaska | great, thanks! | 16:36 |
jlaska | alright ... anything else to add on autoqa? | 16:37 |
jlaska | wwoods: any additional depcheck work you're planning that isn't in the autoqa-0.4.4 milestone (https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=0.4.4)? | 16:37 |
kparal | wwoods: I believe there are still a few pending questions about depcheck in autoqa-devel (but I haven't read through those last-hour emails yet) | 16:38 |
wwoods | let's see | 16:39 |
wwoods | https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/248 represents what I hope is the last major problem | 16:40 |
wwoods | basically there's some complexities relating to when and how packages get tagged / accepted / karma'd | 16:40 |
wwoods | I'm writing up a blog post explaining the details, hopefully for release later this week | 16:41 |
jlaska | Nice ... those are always good posts | 16:41 |
wwoods | in short: bad things could happen if the -pending set changes while we're testing | 16:41 |
wwoods | there's two ways to prevent bad things from happening: either a) treat packages that pass an earlier test as "blessed" and pretend like they've already been pushed live | 16:42 |
jlaska | #info wwoods working on ticket#248 - bad things happen if -pending set changes while test is running | 16:42 |
wwoods | or b) retest all the pending packages and revoke the +1 karma / acceptance if the package fails due to an interaction with a newer package | 16:43 |
wwoods | b) is much trickier, so we're doing a) | 16:43 |
kparal | well, we don't plan to add karma for now. if the result changes, we post another comment with the new result | 16:43 |
wwoods | AFAICT they're equivalent otherwise | 16:43 |
wwoods | anyway this requires depcheck to be able to treat some of its inputs as if they were already live | 16:44 |
wwoods | so I added code to do that, the week before the break | 16:44 |
wwoods | we'll need to adapt the test wrapper accordingly (to use the --accepted flag) | 16:44 |
wwoods | also jskladan seems to have uncovered a confusing problem that we're working on fixing or giving better diagnostic info about | 16:45 |
wwoods | anyway, the blog post will explain more | 16:45 |
jlaska | thanks for the extra info ... looking forward to the post | 16:46 |
jlaska | I think we're ready for <open discussion> ... will change topic if no other autoqa discussion | 16:47 |
wwoods | open that discussion! | 16:47 |
* nirik would like to mention something... | 16:48 | |
jlaska | nirik: autoqa-related, or other? | 16:48 |
nirik | other | 16:48 |
jlaska | okay ... | 16:48 |
jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 16:48 |
jlaska | nirik: take it away | 16:48 |
nirik | ok, there was another long thread on the devel list recently about updates and updates process, etc. | 16:49 |
nirik | I gathered up all the suggestions (good or bad) in a list. | 16:49 |
nirik | for fesco to look at adjusting things. | 16:49 |
nirik | It would be cool if we could get QA thoughts/input on the ideas... what ones are best worth considering. | 16:50 |
nirik | should I just mail the list? do a ticket? or how best to gather that input? | 16:50 |
adamw | mailing the list is fine, i think. | 16:50 |
jlaska | howabout a link here ... and perhaps a follow-up on the list? | 16:50 |
nirik | well, here's a paste of the list I have: http://fpaste.org/TYJ6/ | 16:51 |
nirik | yeah, can mail the list... | 16:51 |
jlaska | great thanks ... I'll be happy to add some thoughts there, as I'm sure others will | 16:52 |
nirik | ok. Sounds great. | 16:52 |
jlaska | #info nirik to send updates process ideas to test@ for feedback (preview at http://fpaste.org/TYJ6/) | 16:53 |
jlaska | Any other discussion topics? | 16:53 |
jlaska | alright, closing out the meeting in 1 minute | 16:54 |
jlaska | alrighty ... 10 seconds ... | 16:55 |
jlaska | thanks gang ... I'll send minutes to the list | 16:55 |
jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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