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* [[I18N/InputMethods/Bugs]]
* [[I18N/InputMethods/Bugs]]
* indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs
* indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs
* frequency of meetings
* make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead


== Summary==
== Summary==
* bug review


== Log ==
== Log ==
{|
|- id="tSep 09 15:09:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-09-09]]
|| [[#tSep 09 15:09:30|Sep 09 15:09]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ping phuang, tagoh3, paragan, pravins, kaio
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:06|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | shall we have the IM meeting
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:16|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:18|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:23|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, pong
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:23|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:10:45"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:10:45|Sep 09 15:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:11:00"
| colspan="2" | *pravins also have one topic today :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:11:00|Sep 09 15:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:11:34"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:11:34|Sep 09 15:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:12:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # ja OpenWnn
|| [[#tSep 09 15:12:22|Sep 09 15:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:12:31"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Kaio
| style="color: #4b904b" | hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:12:31|Sep 09 15:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:12:35"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hi
|| [[#tSep 09 15:12:35|Sep 09 15:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:13:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well just thought I would mention that android.git seems to include openwnn
|| [[#tSep 09 15:13:13|Sep 09 15:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:13:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but realised it is java of course ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:13:27|Sep 09 15:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:13:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | some maybe not terribly useful for us
|| [[#tSep 09 15:13:38|Sep 09 15:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:13:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | unless someone wants to write a java layer for ibus perhaps ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:13:58|Sep 09 15:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:14:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | originally though it might be interesting to package for fedora...
|| [[#tSep 09 15:14:29|Sep 09 15:14]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:14:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | might still be worth looking that the dictionary though?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:14:41|Sep 09 15:14]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:16:19"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | what's is openwnn?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:16:19|Sep 09 15:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:16:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: ah Wnn is a japanese IM backend
|| [[#tSep 09 15:16:37|Sep 09 15:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | quite old
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:06|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:14"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | and a commercial product ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:14|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (originally for Unix I guess)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:21|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: right
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:24|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:40"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | thanks
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:40|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway think we can move on
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:46|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:17:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that was mostly a headsup
|| [[#tSep 09 15:17:52|Sep 09 15:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:18:55"
| colspan="2" | ---asgeirf__ is now known as asgeirf
|| [[#tSep 09 15:18:55|Sep 09 15:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:20:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | will have a look over the src files later...
|| [[#tSep 09 15:20:22|Sep 09 15:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:20:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/inputmethods/OpenWnn.git
|| [[#tSep 09 15:20:32|Sep 09 15:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:21:47"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Should we:
|| [[#tSep 09 15:21:47|Sep 09 15:21]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:21:59"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | 1) make ibus-java
|| [[#tSep 09 15:21:59|Sep 09 15:21]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:22:11"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | 2) make ibus-openwnn
|| [[#tSep 09 15:22:11|Sep 09 15:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:22:29"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | 3) port ibus to android
|| [[#tSep 09 15:22:29|Sep 09 15:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:22:30"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:22:30|Sep 09 15:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:22:58"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | Sounds good with me. It might be good to think about ibus-wnn and ibus-atok.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:22:58|Sep 09 15:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:23:27"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | We could do some investigation at first
|| [[#tSep 09 15:23:27|Sep 09 15:23]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:23:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: I think ibus-java would be a complete rewrite :-/
|| [[#tSep 09 15:23:29|Sep 09 15:23]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:24:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Not sure how far can JNI go.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:24:42|Sep 09 15:24]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:27:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: jni works with android?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:27:36|Sep 09 15:27]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:28:12"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Don't know.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:28:12|Sep 09 15:28]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:29:04"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: It depends whether/when we want to support android.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:29:04|Sep 09 15:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:29:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: it is an upstream issue
|| [[#tSep 09 15:29:30|Sep 09 15:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:29:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | at least until fedora should support android...
|| [[#tSep 09 15:29:41|Sep 09 15:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:30:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | no resources for that currently anyway
|| [[#tSep 09 15:30:05|Sep 09 15:30]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:30:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's come back to bugs at the end
|| [[#tSep 09 15:30:19|Sep 09 15:30]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:30:29"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: sure. :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:30:29|Sep 09 15:30]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:32:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs
|| [[#tSep 09 15:32:25|Sep 09 15:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:32:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | again more of a headsup
|| [[#tSep 09 15:32:32|Sep 09 15:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:32:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: yes
|| [[#tSep 09 15:32:34|Sep 09 15:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:32:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but I think pravins has a nice idea of IME phonetic IMEs with dictionaries
|| [[#tSep 09 15:32:47|Sep 09 15:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:33:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | this IME will give permutation and combination's of user i/p in candidate windows
|| [[#tSep 09 15:33:25|Sep 09 15:33]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:34:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | but need to developed soe intelligence based combination, so user should find his accepted string in candidate window
|| [[#tSep 09 15:34:15|Sep 09 15:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:34:21"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | s/soe/some
|| [[#tSep 09 15:34:21|Sep 09 15:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:34:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | might be need some backend dictionary for that
|| [[#tSep 09 15:34:46|Sep 09 15:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:34:46"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pravins: what's i/p ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:34:46|Sep 09 15:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:34:52"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | input?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:34:52|Sep 09 15:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:35:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | yeah input :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:35:00|Sep 09 15:35]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:35:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | for example say i/p is 'kitab'
|| [[#tSep 09 15:35:43|Sep 09 15:35]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:35:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | so candidate windows will show
|| [[#tSep 09 15:35:51|Sep 09 15:35]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:06"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pravins: Sounds quite similar with ibus-pinyin and ibus-chewing.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:06|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | kitab, kiitab, kitaab, kittab i.e
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:09|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:18"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | dychen: yes
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:18|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:26"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pravins: fuzzy match?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:26|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sure
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:49|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:36:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | yes
|| [[#tSep 09 15:36:55|Sep 09 15:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | it will be first proper indic IME I think
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:11|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:34"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | yes
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:34|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok move on?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:42|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: yes
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:48|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:50|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:37:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay this is actually about fedora ;o)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:37:59|Sep 09 15:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pravins: sounds great.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:00|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | having discussed a bit about @input-methods with clumens in the anaconda rfe...
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:30|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | pravins
| style="color: #818144" | dychen: will talk more once i will start development
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:31|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:51"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: does it affects only people who use IM on English locale say?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:51|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I get a new idea - which I think turns out to "copy" ubuntu
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:52|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:38:55"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pravins: Sure.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:38:55|Sep 09 15:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:39:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ie just install ibus and immodule but no IMEs by default
|| [[#tSep 09 15:39:12|Sep 09 15:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:39:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: right it only affects non-CIJK installs say
|| [[#tSep 09 15:39:35|Sep 09 15:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:39:43"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 15:39:43|Sep 09 15:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:39:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: I do think M$ at this point do a bit better job. :-P
|| [[#tSep 09 15:39:54|Sep 09 15:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:40:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:40:20|Sep 09 15:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:41:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | then "English" who wants to input japanese say needs to "yum install ibus-anthy"
|| [[#tSep 09 15:41:04|Sep 09 15:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:41:04"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | They have some thing like "East Asian" and "Complex support (which covers Thai and Indic),"
|| [[#tSep 09 15:41:04|Sep 09 15:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:41:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and it should justwork
|| [[#tSep 09 15:41:13|Sep 09 15:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:41:45"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: ibus-anthy will/should pull in ibus and ibus-libs anyway. :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:41:45|Sep 09 15:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:42:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Mmm, but not ibus-gtk and ibus-qt.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:42:36|Sep 09 15:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:42:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | right
|| [[#tSep 09 15:42:57|Sep 09 15:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:43:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | since they will already be installed ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:43:09|Sep 09 15:43]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:43:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: aren't they deps? ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:43:23|Sep 09 15:43]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:44:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp, IMHO, I am not sure how the *purist* will say about this.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:44:00|Sep 09 15:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:44:26"
| colspan="2" | *dychen thinks *purists* wants to get rid of ibus completely.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:44:26|Sep 09 15:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:44:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: anyway the whole point being to avoid having to install the immodules afterwards :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:44:27|Sep 09 15:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:44:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: well at least we get rid of the IMEs
|| [[#tSep 09 15:44:45|Sep 09 15:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:44:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | which are the biggest part by far
|| [[#tSep 09 15:44:54|Sep 09 15:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:45:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: But, like we said before, what's the point to install ibus without IM?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:45:05|Sep 09 15:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:45:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and most users only want one at most
|| [[#tSep 09 15:45:09|Sep 09 15:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:45:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so that immodules work
|| [[#tSep 09 15:45:18|Sep 09 15:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:45:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | until that is fixed...
|| [[#tSep 09 15:45:28|Sep 09 15:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:45:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I am saying it is a step in the right direction, not perfect :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:45:52|Sep 09 15:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:46:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so what do people think of actually doing this for f12? :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:46:15|Sep 09 15:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:46:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | not sure about Live though
|| [[#tSep 09 15:46:28|Sep 09 15:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:05"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | well, just one thing - don't they who use English locale and who want to input some languages, do yum groupinstall any languages first? and IMEs are pulled in with it right?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:05|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: there are still edge cases of course I know
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:06|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:20"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: At some point during the installation, we need to ask which input method they want anyway.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:20|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: why groupinstall ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:26|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well that was our traditional approach
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:39|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:48"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: because no idea how to use that language :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:48|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:47:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: but I think lot of users don't want langpacks say
|| [[#tSep 09 15:47:54|Sep 09 15:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:48:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah no idea which ime
|| [[#tSep 09 15:48:10|Sep 09 15:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:48:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | true
|| [[#tSep 09 15:48:12|Sep 09 15:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:48:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: anyway, and? :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:48:27|Sep 09 15:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:48:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | see we add conditional immodules to every lang group?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:48:56|Sep 09 15:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:01|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: in other words, we don't need to install ibus too by default for them, no?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:02|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | immodules?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:09|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:27"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | could be conditional with the desktop and ibus?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:27|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or go the old ubuntu way and use xim?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:31|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:47|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:52"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Or "Input method solution"? :-P
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:52|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | both
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:56|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:49:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:49:57|Sep 09 15:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:50:15"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | put a conditional with ibus in each desktop section?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:50:15|Sep 09 15:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:50:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: it is already there
|| [[#tSep 09 15:50:25|Sep 09 15:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:50:33"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | doesn't it work then?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:50:33|Sep 09 15:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:50:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | how does it help with lang support?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:50:35|Sep 09 15:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:50:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: at install time?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:50:46|Sep 09 15:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: ?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:08|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | in anaconda you mean?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:17|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:25"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hmm, yum doesn't manage which groups are now installed and evaluate conditions with it?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:25|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: indeed not
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:34|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:38"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | aha
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:38|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:38"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: That was your original suggestion.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:38|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:51:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: yeah but getting push back ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:51:56|Sep 09 15:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:52:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so not sure if it will happen
|| [[#tSep 09 15:52:14|Sep 09 15:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:52:36"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: You will get pushed back, no matter what. ^.^B
|| [[#tSep 09 15:52:36|Sep 09 15:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:52:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we could also have meta-packages for ibus but not terribly keen
|| [[#tSep 09 15:52:46|Sep 09 15:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:52:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hehe
|| [[#tSep 09 15:52:52|Sep 09 15:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:53:00"
| colspan="2" | *dychen thinks he pulled it back. :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:53:00|Sep 09 15:53]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:53:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think installing just ibus by default is reasonable compromise
|| [[#tSep 09 15:53:40|Sep 09 15:53]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:54:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: would be even better if ibus could see newly installed IMEs of course ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:54:06|Sep 09 15:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:54:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, yeah. but many details need considering
|| [[#tSep 09 15:54:43|Sep 09 15:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:55:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I know it is a bit hard
|| [[#tSep 09 15:55:03|Sep 09 15:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:55:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, including update of of ime, install of m17n sub packages
|| [[#tSep 09 15:55:07|Sep 09 15:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:55:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | on the other hand one of the reasons we wanted for moving to ibus imho
|| [[#tSep 09 15:55:25|Sep 09 15:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:55:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | We need to observe all related files
|| [[#tSep 09 15:55:51|Sep 09 15:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:55:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: at least for new IME would be nice
|| [[#tSep 09 15:55:51|Sep 09 15:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:56:20"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | And for server only installation, ibus but neither ibus-gtk nor ibus-qt
|| [[#tSep 09 15:56:20|Sep 09 15:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:56:26"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | how to handle m17n sub packages
|| [[#tSep 09 15:56:26|Sep 09 15:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:56:43"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | if user installs some m17n maps
|| [[#tSep 09 15:56:43|Sep 09 15:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:56:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: yeah - not like ibus is the only case there fedora
|| [[#tSep 09 15:56:54|Sep 09 15:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:56:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | in fedora
|| [[#tSep 09 15:56:59|Sep 09 15:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:57:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I can forgive m17n for now :)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:57:12|Sep 09 15:57]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | The most easiest way it kill ibus-daemon in post script of IME's rpm
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:03|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: better than current ibus-* anyway ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:06|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: is it safe?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:17|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:25"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | and then imsetting will restart it,
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:25|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:25"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | phuang: implement any methods to reload it with a trigger outside ibus and kick it from the package?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:25|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:58:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: have't test when you are inputting something.
|| [[#tSep 09 15:58:50|Sep 09 15:58]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | killing doesn't sound right to me
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:00|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hehe
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:08|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | Or send other signal to ibus-daemon, ibus-daemon could restart by self
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:09|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: reload?
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:16|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | right
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:20|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:27"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | no reload, restart
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:27|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | might be better
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:27|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 15:59:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but frankly we should aim for ibus to do it right not some hack
|| [[#tSep 09 15:59:59|Sep 09 15:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:00:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | restart can resolve all issues,
|| [[#tSep 09 16:00:01|Sep 09 16:00]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:00:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:00:10|Sep 09 16:00]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:00:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: but it is system resetting user's daemon
|| [[#tSep 09 16:00:36|Sep 09 16:00]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:00:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but suppose it might be good enough
|| [[#tSep 09 16:00:52|Sep 09 16:00]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | for now
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:00|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | reload still has some problems, including how to handle the current activated input contexts
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:15|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:25"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | how to restart from the package's postinst, which isn't running under the expected user's role?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:25|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:35"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Or yet another systray icon says "new IME available, restart ibus to enable it." :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:35|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: killall ;o)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:38|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | heh
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:41|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:01:54"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | it's not "restart" nor "reload", you said :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:01:54|Sep 09 16:01]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:02:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: if it can do it that should be able to just add the IME to its lists
|| [[#tSep 09 16:02:11|Sep 09 16:02]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:03:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | wonder if I should propose my @input-methods idea to f-i-l and f-d-l
|| [[#tSep 09 16:03:24|Sep 09 16:03]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:03:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | nearly out of time here...
|| [[#tSep 09 16:03:35|Sep 09 16:03]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:03:38"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: the applet can be active by post install script, but add into IME list, like phuang said, has many issues.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:03:38|Sep 09 16:03]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:03:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any bugs to discuss?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:03:42|Sep 09 16:03]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:03:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: true
|| [[#tSep 09 16:03:57|Sep 09 16:03]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:04:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well I am not asking for a solution tomorrow but agreed that it is something we should tackle
|| [[#tSep 09 16:04:32|Sep 09 16:04]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:04:47"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | dychen: again, how to communicate with ibus from postinst? how to know an abstract adress of dbus and ibus?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:04:47|Sep 09 16:04]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:04:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't accept that killall is a acceptable solution anyway
|| [[#tSep 09 16:04:49|Sep 09 16:04]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:05:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/agreed/agreement/
|| [[#tSep 09 16:05:07|Sep 09 16:05]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:05:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | tagoh3, may kill with a signal
|| [[#tSep 09 16:05:10|Sep 09 16:05]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:05:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: ok that might be better
|| [[#tSep 09 16:05:32|Sep 09 16:05]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:06:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tagoh3: No need, it simply shows that users need to restart ibus themselves.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:06:07|Sep 09 16:06]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:06:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | killall -USR1 or something
|| [[#tSep 09 16:06:18|Sep 09 16:06]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:07:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: I don't think it is a dream solution
|| [[#tSep 09 16:07:01|Sep 09 16:07]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:07:25"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Agreed. It's actually dirty hack. :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:07:25|Sep 09 16:07]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:07:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | perhaps ibus might even be able to wait for user input to complete??
|| [[#tSep 09 16:07:34|Sep 09 16:07]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:07:36"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | Or another way, is add a button [restart ibus for new ime] in ibus-setup
|| [[#tSep 09 16:07:36|Sep 09 16:07]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:07:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: haha
|| [[#tSep 09 16:07:41|Sep 09 16:07]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:08:13"
| colspan="2" | -->krishnababu (n=kkrothap@nat/redhat-us/x-uolqhxxlqrnhmdct) has joined #fedora-i18n
|| [[#tSep 09 16:08:13|Sep 09 16:08]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:08:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: to what extent can the real problem be tackled?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:08:20|Sep 09 16:08]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:08:28"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | If users do not find the IME they want, just need click the icon
|| [[#tSep 09 16:08:28|Sep 09 16:08]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:08:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | s/icon/button/
|| [[#tSep 09 16:08:32|Sep 09 16:08]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:09:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: but it is just restart?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:09:03|Sep 09 16:09]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:09:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe tooltip could mention it?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:09:16|Sep 09 16:09]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:09:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, yeah. or just put some label 'If you can not find newly installed ime, please restart ibus by ....'
|| [[#tSep 09 16:09:59|Sep 09 16:09]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:10:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: I think IMEs should be able to update themselves too ideally
|| [[#tSep 09 16:10:02|Sep 09 16:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:10:23"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | just put updates with a restart flag. give up to think for rawhide. doesn't it sound good, eh? :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:10:23|Sep 09 16:10]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: hmm that is desktop restart
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:06|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:07"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | tagoh3, yeah. we could use restart flags too
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:07|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | back to scim
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:08|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:13|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | no thanks
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:27|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:11:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but for now we may have to...
|| [[#tSep 09 16:11:46|Sep 09 16:11]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:12:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: we used to restart desktops to change IM! don't see dreams! :p
|| [[#tSep 09 16:12:08|Sep 09 16:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:12:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | seriously this is something that ibus should do right at least by 2.0 say
|| [[#tSep 09 16:12:09|Sep 09 16:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:12:25"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | yeah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:12:25|Sep 09 16:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:12:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok.....
|| [[#tSep 09 16:12:41|Sep 09 16:12]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:13:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | long discussion for futurefeature.... sigh
|| [[#tSep 09 16:13:03|Sep 09 16:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:13:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any bugs to discuss?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:13:25|Sep 09 16:13]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:14:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: how about bug 509330?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:14:28|Sep 09 16:14]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:14:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 509330
|| [[#tSep 09 16:14:31|Sep 09 16:14]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:14:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 509330 Press [,] or [.] keyboard have no function to page down or up. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509330
|| [[#tSep 09 16:14:36|Sep 09 16:14]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:15:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: should we open another bug for
|| [[#tSep 09 16:15:13|Sep 09 16:15]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:15:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 501214
|| [[#tSep 09 16:15:20|Sep 09 16:15]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:15:23"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 501214 need better logo and panel icons: light blue ibus icon is not obvious - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501214
|| [[#tSep 09 16:15:23|Sep 09 16:15]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:15:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | i mean for the logo?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:15:28|Sep 09 16:15]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:15:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | yeah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:15:35|Sep 09 16:15]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Kaio
| style="color: #4b904b" | like the logo on the rawhide
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:03|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah but see update
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:08|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe it is ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:11|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | kaio: you mean icon?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:20|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:28"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: it's actually ibus-pinyin. phuang, do you really want me to mock with it? :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:28|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Kaio
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: trayicon..
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:36|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:16:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:16:55|Sep 09 16:16]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:17:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | kaio: yeah we are now asking for better project logo
|| [[#tSep 09 16:17:09|Sep 09 16:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:17:25"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | Kaio
| style="color: #4b904b" | as marketing?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:17:25|Sep 09 16:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:17:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | dychen, ?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:17:35|Sep 09 16:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:17:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Actually one community guy just submit an ibus logo?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:17:50|Sep 09 16:17]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:14"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang: for bug 509330.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:14|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: fixed
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:24|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (assignment)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:30|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sigh
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:33|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that bug has been waiting long time
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:40|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: next place reassign
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:52|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:18:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | please
|| [[#tSep 09 16:18:55|Sep 09 16:18]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:19:13"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Sure.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:19:13|Sep 09 16:19]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | kaio: when will you finish ibus-table-setup gconf?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:01|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Though myself doesn't mind to "light phuang's load". :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:05|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 513901
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:17|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:19"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 513901 ibus-table setup does not store config settings - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513901
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:19|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:22"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | I will check it in rawhide, but it does not happen on my f11 box
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:22|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:27|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: need to keep bugs moving anyway :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:48|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:20:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | f11 with ibus-1.2.x
|| [[#tSep 09 16:20:50|Sep 09 16:20]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:21:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (not sure why I assigned to dchen anyway :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:21:25|Sep 09 16:21]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:21:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | oh
|| [[#tSep 09 16:21:33|Sep 09 16:21]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:21:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: maybe ask?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:21:44|Sep 09 16:21]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:22:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 521591
|| [[#tSep 09 16:22:36|Sep 09 16:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:22:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 521591 ibus: check if the icon filename is a real file before trying to open it - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521591
|| [[#tSep 09 16:22:39|Sep 09 16:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:22:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: is the patch ok?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:22:43|Sep 09 16:22]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:23:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 509518
|| [[#tSep 09 16:23:55|Sep 09 16:23]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:23:58"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 509518 ibus-anthy should only override to jp layout for kana input - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509518
|| [[#tSep 09 16:23:58|Sep 09 16:23]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:24:57"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, does not the patch
|| [[#tSep 09 16:24:57|Sep 09 16:24]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:25:26"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | I guess it's not for f12.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:25:26|Sep 09 16:25]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:25:34"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | fujiwarat, yeah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:25:34|Sep 09 16:25]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:20|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | f11?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:24|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we have to fix 509518 for f12
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:37|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | if no comments I will make it a F12Blocker
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:52|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:54"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | sure
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:54|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:26:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | since it is a regression
|| [[#tSep 09 16:26:55|Sep 09 16:26]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:27:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:27:00|Sep 09 16:27]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:27:21"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | Oh, I thought it's f13..
|| [[#tSep 09 16:27:21|Sep 09 16:27]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:27:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: depends which bug we are talking about :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:27:45|Sep 09 16:27]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:28:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | Oh sorry, I mean 509518
|| [[#tSep 09 16:28:10|Sep 09 16:28]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:29:08"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | I thought it would be a RFE since we have a workaround.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:29:08|Sep 09 16:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:29:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fujiwarat: me too
|| [[#tSep 09 16:29:15|Sep 09 16:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:29:43"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:29:43|Sep 09 16:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:29:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | not saying how to fix but Shift-2 -> " is not acceptable on us kbd IMHO
|| [[#tSep 09 16:29:52|Sep 09 16:29]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:30:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | actually I thought fix should be in IME
|| [[#tSep 09 16:30:35|Sep 09 16:30]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:30:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: anyway please have another look
|| [[#tSep 09 16:30:48|Sep 09 16:30]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:31:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | was hoping we could get rid of keyboard override in ibus-setup
|| [[#tSep 09 16:31:28|Sep 09 16:31]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 514192
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:09|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:12"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 514192 ibus toolbar should use config icon for setup - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514192
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:12|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I started looking at this
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:15|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | looks straightward but needs changes to all IME I guess :-\
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:31|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:38"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | get rid of keymap in ibus? and only uses xkb ?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:38|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, yeah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:56|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:32:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: no I am saying it should be done through IME
|| [[#tSep 09 16:32:58|Sep 09 16:32]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:33:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | not globally
|| [[#tSep 09 16:33:07|Sep 09 16:33]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:33:17"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ic
|| [[#tSep 09 16:33:17|Sep 09 16:33]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:33:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but dunno how much we can do in time for f12
|| [[#tSep 09 16:33:33|Sep 09 16:33]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:34:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I would say might be better to turn off ibus-anthy override for now if we can't find a proper solution quickly
|| [[#tSep 09 16:34:09|Sep 09 16:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:34:47"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ok. to use xkb as default setting
|| [[#tSep 09 16:34:47|Sep 09 16:34]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:35:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ok?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:35:10|Sep 09 16:35]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:35:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | schemas file can be set the default value by locale.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:35:23|Sep 09 16:35]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | If you want hardcoded us layout, probably it might be better to set ja only.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:03|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | we don't like it. jensp, right?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:03|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:11"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I thought that feature isn't yet implemented
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:11|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:19"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | in gconf
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:19|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:41"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | no
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:41|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:36:52"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | oh, yes done
|| [[#tSep 09 16:36:52|Sep 09 16:36]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:37:13"
| colspan="2" | <--Kaio has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
|| [[#tSep 09 16:37:13|Sep 09 16:37]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:38:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: well should only be jp for kana input - but still wonder how many people are going to input kana without jp kbd anyway
|| [[#tSep 09 16:38:23|Sep 09 16:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:38:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so value seems small to me?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:38:38|Sep 09 16:38]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:39:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: yes
|| [[#tSep 09 16:39:11|Sep 09 16:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:39:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I mean just follow system kbd
|| [[#tSep 09 16:39:25|Sep 09 16:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:39:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (sorry irc is hard:)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:39:51|Sep 09 16:39]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:02"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | ok, I'll give the example change later.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:02|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:08|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | cool
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:10|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan:
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:42|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:42"
| colspan="2" | -->Kaio (n=cchance@fedora/Kaio) has joined #fedora-i18n
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:42|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 501673
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:54|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:40:59"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 501673 [indic] Shortcut key should be ctrl+shift for changing keymaps - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673
|| [[#tSep 09 16:40:59|Sep 09 16:40]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 239414
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:03|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | zodbot
| style="color: #97974f" | juhp: Bug 239414 illogical mapping for non-QWERTY keyboard with m17n - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239414
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:06|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | just pinging those
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:19|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:25|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any plans there? :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:35|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:41:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | wish we could fix 239414 for f12
|| [[#tSep 09 16:41:50|Sep 09 16:41]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:42:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | it is a long-standing bug and would highlight improve with ibus over scim say
|| [[#tSep 09 16:42:09|Sep 09 16:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:42:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | yes need to work on it
|| [[#tSep 09 16:42:12|Sep 09 16:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:42:30"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:42:30|Sep 09 16:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:42:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but I fear it needs upstream changes to label maps that assume qwerty
|| [[#tSep 09 16:42:43|Sep 09 16:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:42:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Mmm, not quite sure a table for keylayout <-> input map helps.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:42:54|Sep 09 16:42]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:43:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: why not? :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:43:11|Sep 09 16:43]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:43:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, is  alt + shift was decided as default key for changing keymaps in ibus
|| [[#tSep 09 16:43:40|Sep 09 16:43]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:43:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/qwerty/US/
|| [[#tSep 09 16:43:42|Sep 09 16:43]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:44:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | paragan: Changing input methods, per se.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:44:15|Sep 09 16:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:44:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: can we make Alt+Shift next hotkey for Indic?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:44:21|Sep 09 16:44]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:06"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | paragan, what's Windows keybinding for them?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:06|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | dychen, sorry?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:23|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, current is alt+shift, right?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:29|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: btw xkb uses Shift+Caps_Lock to switch layout
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:41|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:46|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:45:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673#c3
|| [[#tSep 09 16:45:54|Sep 09 16:45]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:22"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | paragan: what's windows keybind for switching keylayout/input method?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:22|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | looks to me its alt+shift in ibus and its ctrl+shift in scim
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:23|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: so it's already fixed?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:32|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | dychen, sorry I don't know
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:39|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, no
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:46|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:46:47"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:46:47|Sep 09 16:46]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: ah ok (actually reading;) so you want Ctrl-Shift back hmm
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:21|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: so can we have Ctrl-Shift for indic? ;)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:39|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, phuang yes. That was request got from scim users
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:40|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:52"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, we can
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:52|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:53"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Doesn't warren against that idea? :-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:53|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:47:56"
| colspan="2" | *juhp doesn't think Ctrl-Shift is a good hotkey
|| [[#tSep 09 16:47:56|Sep 09 16:47]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:05"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, actually, we like ctrl-shift too
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:05|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: indic only?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:08|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah yeah
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:22|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:22"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, why indic only?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:22|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's close wontfix ;-)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:33|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:41"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, we don't like locale different settings. right
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:41|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or any acceptable solution?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:51|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:48:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: I think it Ctrl-Shift is from win95, Alt-Shift is from winxp.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:48:54|Sep 09 16:48]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:02|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think Alt-Shift is better
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:13|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | dychen, really? I think it is ctrl+shift too
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:21|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: I think better indic users got used to it
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:32|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:39|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:49:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Ctrl is too soft
|| [[#tSep 09 16:49:47|Sep 09 16:49]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:50:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | next to shift IMHO
|| [[#tSep 09 16:50:14|Sep 09 16:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:50:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | phuang: Um, ctrl-shift is for IM within the same locale, alt-shift is for IM "among" different locale.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:50:40|Sep 09 16:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:50:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or we leave it open?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:50:41|Sep 09 16:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:50:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't see a short-term global solution
|| [[#tSep 09 16:50:55|Sep 09 16:50]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:13"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp: Maybe stay as-is.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:13|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: for all langs?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:21|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:27|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:31"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp, I don't know. If me, i like change to the old one 'Ctrl - Shift' :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:31|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so wontfix...
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:32|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang: yeah I know it is popular in zh
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:50|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:51:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:51:50|Sep 09 16:51]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:52:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or deferred?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:52:06|Sep 09 16:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:52:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragan: any more comment?
|| [[#tSep 09 16:52:18|Sep 09 16:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:52:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, seems Windows uses Alt+shift as per http://www.conversationexchange.com/resources/keyboard-language.php
|| [[#tSep 09 16:52:33|Sep 09 16:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:52:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#tSep 09 16:52:39|Sep 09 16:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:52:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so should be acceptable
|| [[#tSep 09 16:52:47|Sep 09 16:52]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:53:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | ok then
|| [[#tSep 09 16:53:09|Sep 09 16:53]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:18"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | I will leave resolution for this bug to juhp  and phuang
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:18|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | closed :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:24|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:29|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:30|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:32|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | ok
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:32|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's finish - didn't plan to go on so long...
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:48|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:54:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but glad we did cover some bugs in detail :)
|| [[#tSep 09 16:54:59|Sep 09 16:54]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:55:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's try to keep pushing on the bugs for beta
|| [[#tSep 09 16:55:34|Sep 09 16:55]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:56:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # meeting closed
|| [[#tSep 09 16:56:08|Sep 09 16:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:56:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phew
|| [[#tSep 09 16:56:11|Sep 09 16:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:56:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragan
| style="color: #854685" | thanks all
|| [[#tSep 09 16:56:50|Sep 09 16:56]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:57:11"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | dychen
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Thanks.
|| [[#tSep 09 16:57:11|Sep 09 16:57]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:57:19"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | tagoh3
| style="color: #4d4d93" | thanks all
|| [[#tSep 09 16:57:19|Sep 09 16:57]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:59:20"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | phuang
| style="color: #42427e" | thanks
|| [[#tSep 09 16:59:20|Sep 09 16:59]]
|- id="tSep 09 16:59:26"
! style="background-color: #488888" | fujiwarat
| style="color: #488888" | thx
|| [[#tSep 09 16:59:26|Sep 09 16:59]]
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Agenda

Time:2009-09-09 0500 UTC

Place: #fedora-i18n at Freenode

  • ja OpenWnn
  • I18N/InputMethods/Bugs
  • indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs
  • make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead

Summary

  • bug review

Log

juhp I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-09-09 Sep 09 15:09
juhp ping phuang, tagoh3, paragan, pravins, kaio Sep 09 15:10
juhp shall we have the IM meeting Sep 09 15:10
phuang hi Sep 09 15:10
pravins juhp: hi Sep 09 15:10
paragan juhp, pong Sep 09 15:10
fujiwarat hi Sep 09 15:10
*pravins also have one topic today :) Sep 09 15:11
dychen juhp: hi Sep 09 15:11
juhp # ja OpenWnn Sep 09 15:12
Kaio hi Sep 09 15:12
tagoh3 hi Sep 09 15:12
juhp well just thought I would mention that android.git seems to include openwnn Sep 09 15:13
juhp but realised it is java of course ;) Sep 09 15:13
juhp some maybe not terribly useful for us Sep 09 15:13
juhp unless someone wants to write a java layer for ibus perhaps ;) Sep 09 15:13
juhp originally though it might be interesting to package for fedora... Sep 09 15:14
juhp might still be worth looking that the dictionary though? Sep 09 15:14
phuang what's is openwnn? Sep 09 15:16
juhp phuang: ah Wnn is a japanese IM backend Sep 09 15:16
juhp quite old Sep 09 15:17
fujiwarat and a commercial product ;) Sep 09 15:17
juhp (originally for Unix I guess) Sep 09 15:17
juhp fujiwarat: right Sep 09 15:17
phuang thanks Sep 09 15:17
juhp anyway think we can move on Sep 09 15:17
juhp that was mostly a headsup Sep 09 15:17
---asgeirf__ is now known as asgeirf Sep 09 15:18
juhp will have a look over the src files later... Sep 09 15:20
juhp http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/inputmethods/OpenWnn.git Sep 09 15:20
dychen juhp: Should we: Sep 09 15:21
dychen 1) make ibus-java Sep 09 15:21
dychen 2) make ibus-openwnn Sep 09 15:22
dychen 3) port ibus to android Sep 09 15:22
dychen ? Sep 09 15:22
fujiwarat Sounds good with me. It might be good to think about ibus-wnn and ibus-atok. Sep 09 15:22
phuang We could do some investigation at first Sep 09 15:23
juhp dychen: I think ibus-java would be a complete rewrite :-/ Sep 09 15:23
dychen juhp: Not sure how far can JNI go. Sep 09 15:24
juhp dychen: jni works with android? Sep 09 15:27
dychen juhp: Don't know. Sep 09 15:28
dychen juhp: It depends whether/when we want to support android. Sep 09 15:29
juhp dychen: it is an upstream issue Sep 09 15:29
juhp at least until fedora should support android... Sep 09 15:29
juhp no resources for that currently anyway Sep 09 15:30
juhp let's come back to bugs at the end Sep 09 15:30
dychen juhp: sure. :-) Sep 09 15:30
juhp # indic phonetic dictionary based IMEs Sep 09 15:32
juhp again more of a headsup Sep 09 15:32
pravins juhp: yes Sep 09 15:32
juhp but I think pravins has a nice idea of IME phonetic IMEs with dictionaries Sep 09 15:32
pravins this IME will give permutation and combination's of user i/p in candidate windows Sep 09 15:33
pravins but need to developed soe intelligence based combination, so user should find his accepted string in candidate window Sep 09 15:34
pravins s/soe/some Sep 09 15:34
pravins might be need some backend dictionary for that Sep 09 15:34
dychen pravins: what's i/p ? Sep 09 15:34
dychen input? Sep 09 15:34
pravins yeah input :) Sep 09 15:35
pravins for example say i/p is 'kitab' Sep 09 15:35
pravins so candidate windows will show Sep 09 15:35
dychen pravins: Sounds quite similar with ibus-pinyin and ibus-chewing. Sep 09 15:36
pravins kitab, kiitab, kitaab, kittab i.e Sep 09 15:36
pravins dychen: yes Sep 09 15:36
dychen pravins: fuzzy match? Sep 09 15:36
juhp sure Sep 09 15:36
pravins yes Sep 09 15:36
juhp it will be first proper indic IME I think Sep 09 15:37
pravins yes Sep 09 15:37
juhp ok move on? Sep 09 15:37
pravins juhp: yes Sep 09 15:37
juhp # make IMEs in @input-methods optional instead Sep 09 15:37
juhp okay this is actually about fedora ;o) Sep 09 15:37
dychen pravins: sounds great. Sep 09 15:38
juhp having discussed a bit about @input-methods with clumens in the anaconda rfe... Sep 09 15:38
pravins dychen: will talk more once i will start development Sep 09 15:38
tagoh3 juhp: does it affects only people who use IM on English locale say? Sep 09 15:38
juhp I get a new idea - which I think turns out to "copy" ubuntu Sep 09 15:38
dychen pravins: Sure. Sep 09 15:38
juhp ie just install ibus and immodule but no IMEs by default Sep 09 15:39
juhp tagoh3: right it only affects non-CIJK installs say Sep 09 15:39
tagoh3 ok Sep 09 15:39
dychen juhp: I do think M$ at this point do a bit better job. :-P Sep 09 15:39
juhp dychen: ? Sep 09 15:40
juhp then "English" who wants to input japanese say needs to "yum install ibus-anthy" Sep 09 15:41
dychen They have some thing like "East Asian" and "Complex support (which covers Thai and Indic)," Sep 09 15:41
juhp and it should justwork Sep 09 15:41
dychen juhp: ibus-anthy will/should pull in ibus and ibus-libs anyway. :-) Sep 09 15:41
dychen Mmm, but not ibus-gtk and ibus-qt. Sep 09 15:42
juhp right Sep 09 15:42
juhp since they will already be installed ;) Sep 09 15:43
juhp dychen: aren't they deps? ;) Sep 09 15:43
dychen juhp, IMHO, I am not sure how the *purist* will say about this. Sep 09 15:44
*dychen thinks *purists* wants to get rid of ibus completely. Sep 09 15:44
juhp dychen: anyway the whole point being to avoid having to install the immodules afterwards :) Sep 09 15:44
juhp dychen: well at least we get rid of the IMEs Sep 09 15:44
juhp which are the biggest part by far Sep 09 15:44
dychen juhp: But, like we said before, what's the point to install ibus without IM? Sep 09 15:45
juhp and most users only want one at most Sep 09 15:45
juhp so that immodules work Sep 09 15:45
juhp until that is fixed... Sep 09 15:45
juhp I am saying it is a step in the right direction, not perfect :) Sep 09 15:45
juhp so what do people think of actually doing this for f12? :) Sep 09 15:46
juhp not sure about Live though Sep 09 15:46
tagoh3 well, just one thing - don't they who use English locale and who want to input some languages, do yum groupinstall any languages first? and IMEs are pulled in with it right? Sep 09 15:47
juhp dychen: there are still edge cases of course I know Sep 09 15:47
dychen juhp: At some point during the installation, we need to ask which input method they want anyway. Sep 09 15:47
juhp tagoh3: why groupinstall ? Sep 09 15:47
juhp well that was our traditional approach Sep 09 15:47
tagoh3 juhp: because no idea how to use that language :) Sep 09 15:47
juhp tagoh3: but I think lot of users don't want langpacks say Sep 09 15:47
juhp ah no idea which ime Sep 09 15:48
juhp true Sep 09 15:48
juhp tagoh3: anyway, and? :) Sep 09 15:48
juhp see we add conditional immodules to every lang group? Sep 09 15:48
juhp so Sep 09 15:49
tagoh3 juhp: in other words, we don't need to install ibus too by default for them, no? Sep 09 15:49
juhp immodules? Sep 09 15:49
tagoh3 could be conditional with the desktop and ibus? Sep 09 15:49
juhp or go the old ubuntu way and use xim? Sep 09 15:49
juhp tagoh3: ? Sep 09 15:49
dychen juhp: Or "Input method solution"? :-P Sep 09 15:49
juhp both Sep 09 15:49
juhp ? Sep 09 15:49
tagoh3 put a conditional with ibus in each desktop section? Sep 09 15:50
juhp tagoh3: it is already there Sep 09 15:50
tagoh3 doesn't it work then? Sep 09 15:50
juhp how does it help with lang support? Sep 09 15:50
juhp tagoh3: at install time? Sep 09 15:50
juhp dychen: ? Sep 09 15:51
juhp in anaconda you mean? Sep 09 15:51
tagoh3 hmm, yum doesn't manage which groups are now installed and evaluate conditions with it? Sep 09 15:51
juhp tagoh3: indeed not Sep 09 15:51
tagoh3 aha Sep 09 15:51
dychen juhp: That was your original suggestion. Sep 09 15:51
juhp dychen: yeah but getting push back ;) Sep 09 15:51
juhp so not sure if it will happen Sep 09 15:52
dychen juhp: You will get pushed back, no matter what. ^.^B Sep 09 15:52
juhp we could also have meta-packages for ibus but not terribly keen Sep 09 15:52
juhp hehe Sep 09 15:52
*dychen thinks he pulled it back. :-) Sep 09 15:53
juhp I think installing just ibus by default is reasonable compromise Sep 09 15:53
juhp phuang: would be even better if ibus could see newly installed IMEs of course ;) Sep 09 15:54
phuang juhp, yeah. but many details need considering Sep 09 15:54
juhp I know it is a bit hard Sep 09 15:55
phuang juhp, including update of of ime, install of m17n sub packages Sep 09 15:55
juhp on the other hand one of the reasons we wanted for moving to ibus imho Sep 09 15:55
phuang We need to observe all related files Sep 09 15:55
juhp phuang: at least for new IME would be nice Sep 09 15:55
dychen And for server only installation, ibus but neither ibus-gtk nor ibus-qt Sep 09 15:56
phuang how to handle m17n sub packages Sep 09 15:56
phuang if user installs some m17n maps Sep 09 15:56
juhp dychen: yeah - not like ibus is the only case there fedora Sep 09 15:56
juhp in fedora Sep 09 15:56
juhp phuang: I can forgive m17n for now :) Sep 09 15:57
phuang The most easiest way it kill ibus-daemon in post script of IME's rpm Sep 09 15:58
juhp dychen: better than current ibus-* anyway ;) Sep 09 15:58
juhp phuang: is it safe? Sep 09 15:58
phuang and then imsetting will restart it, Sep 09 15:58
tagoh3 phuang: implement any methods to reload it with a trigger outside ibus and kick it from the package? Sep 09 15:58
dychen juhp: have't test when you are inputting something. Sep 09 15:58
juhp killing doesn't sound right to me Sep 09 15:59
juhp hehe Sep 09 15:59
phuang Or send other signal to ibus-daemon, ibus-daemon could restart by self Sep 09 15:59
juhp phuang: reload? Sep 09 15:59
juhp right Sep 09 15:59
phuang no reload, restart Sep 09 15:59
juhp might be better Sep 09 15:59
juhp but frankly we should aim for ibus to do it right not some hack Sep 09 15:59
phuang restart can resolve all issues, Sep 09 16:00
juhp hmm ok Sep 09 16:00
juhp phuang: but it is system resetting user's daemon Sep 09 16:00
juhp but suppose it might be good enough Sep 09 16:00
juhp for now Sep 09 16:01
phuang reload still has some problems, including how to handle the current activated input contexts Sep 09 16:01
tagoh3 how to restart from the package's postinst, which isn't running under the expected user's role? Sep 09 16:01
dychen Or yet another systray icon says "new IME available, restart ibus to enable it." :-) Sep 09 16:01
juhp tagoh3: killall ;o) Sep 09 16:01
tagoh3 heh Sep 09 16:01
tagoh3 it's not "restart" nor "reload", you said :) Sep 09 16:01
juhp dychen: if it can do it that should be able to just add the IME to its lists Sep 09 16:02
juhp wonder if I should propose my @input-methods idea to f-i-l and f-d-l Sep 09 16:03
juhp nearly out of time here... Sep 09 16:03
dychen juhp: the applet can be active by post install script, but add into IME list, like phuang said, has many issues. Sep 09 16:03
juhp any bugs to discuss? Sep 09 16:03
juhp dychen: true Sep 09 16:03
juhp well I am not asking for a solution tomorrow but agreed that it is something we should tackle Sep 09 16:04
tagoh3 dychen: again, how to communicate with ibus from postinst? how to know an abstract adress of dbus and ibus? Sep 09 16:04
juhp I don't accept that killall is a acceptable solution anyway Sep 09 16:04
juhp s/agreed/agreement/ Sep 09 16:05
phuang tagoh3, may kill with a signal Sep 09 16:05
juhp phuang: ok that might be better Sep 09 16:05
dychen tagoh3: No need, it simply shows that users need to restart ibus themselves. Sep 09 16:06
juhp killall -USR1 or something Sep 09 16:06
juhp dychen: I don't think it is a dream solution Sep 09 16:07
dychen juhp: Agreed. It's actually dirty hack. :-) Sep 09 16:07
juhp perhaps ibus might even be able to wait for user input to complete?? Sep 09 16:07
phuang Or another way, is add a button [restart ibus for new ime] in ibus-setup Sep 09 16:07
juhp dychen: haha Sep 09 16:07
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juhp phuang: to what extent can the real problem be tackled? Sep 09 16:08
phuang If users do not find the IME they want, just need click the icon Sep 09 16:08
phuang s/icon/button/ Sep 09 16:08
juhp phuang: but it is just restart? Sep 09 16:09
juhp maybe tooltip could mention it? Sep 09 16:09
phuang juhp, yeah. or just put some label 'If you can not find newly installed ime, please restart ibus by ....' Sep 09 16:09
juhp phuang: I think IMEs should be able to update themselves too ideally Sep 09 16:10
tagoh3 just put updates with a restart flag. give up to think for rawhide. doesn't it sound good, eh? :) Sep 09 16:10
juhp tagoh3: hmm that is desktop restart Sep 09 16:11
phuang tagoh3, yeah. we could use restart flags too Sep 09 16:11
juhp back to scim Sep 09 16:11
phuang :) Sep 09 16:11
juhp no thanks Sep 09 16:11
juhp but for now we may have to... Sep 09 16:11
tagoh3 juhp: we used to restart desktops to change IM! don't see dreams! :p Sep 09 16:12
juhp seriously this is something that ibus should do right at least by 2.0 say Sep 09 16:12
phuang yeah Sep 09 16:12
juhp ok..... Sep 09 16:12
juhp long discussion for futurefeature.... sigh Sep 09 16:13
juhp any bugs to discuss? Sep 09 16:13
juhp dychen: how about bug 509330? Sep 09 16:14
juhp .bug 509330 Sep 09 16:14
zodbot juhp: Bug 509330 Press [,] or [.] keyboard have no function to page down or up. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509330 Sep 09 16:14
juhp phuang: should we open another bug for Sep 09 16:15
juhp .bug 501214 Sep 09 16:15
zodbot juhp: Bug 501214 need better logo and panel icons: light blue ibus icon is not obvious - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501214 Sep 09 16:15
juhp i mean for the logo? Sep 09 16:15
phuang yeah Sep 09 16:15
Kaio like the logo on the rawhide Sep 09 16:16
juhp ah but see update Sep 09 16:16
juhp maybe it is ok Sep 09 16:16
juhp kaio: you mean icon? Sep 09 16:16
dychen juhp: it's actually ibus-pinyin. phuang, do you really want me to mock with it? :-) Sep 09 16:16
Kaio juhp: trayicon.. Sep 09 16:16
juhp ah Sep 09 16:16
juhp kaio: yeah we are now asking for better project logo Sep 09 16:17
Kaio as marketing? Sep 09 16:17
phuang dychen, ? Sep 09 16:17
dychen juhp: Actually one community guy just submit an ibus logo? Sep 09 16:17
dychen phuang: for bug 509330. Sep 09 16:18
juhp dychen: fixed Sep 09 16:18
juhp (assignment) Sep 09 16:18
juhp sigh Sep 09 16:18
juhp that bug has been waiting long time Sep 09 16:18
juhp dychen: next place reassign Sep 09 16:18
juhp please Sep 09 16:18
dychen juhp: Sure. Sep 09 16:19
juhp kaio: when will you finish ibus-table-setup gconf? Sep 09 16:20
dychen Though myself doesn't mind to "light phuang's load". :-) Sep 09 16:20
juhp .bug 513901 Sep 09 16:20
zodbot juhp: Bug 513901 ibus-table setup does not store config settings - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513901 Sep 09 16:20
phuang I will check it in rawhide, but it does not happen on my f11 box Sep 09 16:20
juhp ok Sep 09 16:20
juhp dychen: need to keep bugs moving anyway :) Sep 09 16:20
phuang f11 with ibus-1.2.x Sep 09 16:20
juhp (not sure why I assigned to dchen anyway :) Sep 09 16:21
juhp oh Sep 09 16:21
juhp phuang: maybe ask? Sep 09 16:21
juhp .bug 521591 Sep 09 16:22
zodbot juhp: Bug 521591 ibus: check if the icon filename is a real file before trying to open it - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521591 Sep 09 16:22
juhp phuang: is the patch ok? Sep 09 16:22
juhp .bug 509518 Sep 09 16:23
zodbot juhp: Bug 509518 ibus-anthy should only override to jp layout for kana input - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509518 Sep 09 16:23
phuang juhp, does not the patch Sep 09 16:24
fujiwarat I guess it's not for f12. Sep 09 16:25
phuang fujiwarat, yeah Sep 09 16:25
juhp ok Sep 09 16:26
juhp f11? Sep 09 16:26
juhp I think we have to fix 509518 for f12 Sep 09 16:26
juhp if no comments I will make it a F12Blocker Sep 09 16:26
phuang sure Sep 09 16:26
juhp since it is a regression Sep 09 16:26
juhp ok Sep 09 16:27
fujiwarat Oh, I thought it's f13.. Sep 09 16:27
juhp fujiwarat: depends which bug we are talking about :) Sep 09 16:27
fujiwarat Oh sorry, I mean 509518 Sep 09 16:28
fujiwarat I thought it would be a RFE since we have a workaround. Sep 09 16:29
juhp fujiwarat: me too Sep 09 16:29
fujiwarat ok Sep 09 16:29
juhp not saying how to fix but Shift-2 -> " is not acceptable on us kbd IMHO Sep 09 16:29
juhp actually I thought fix should be in IME Sep 09 16:30
juhp phuang: anyway please have another look Sep 09 16:30
juhp was hoping we could get rid of keyboard override in ibus-setup Sep 09 16:31
juhp .bug 514192 Sep 09 16:32
zodbot juhp: Bug 514192 ibus toolbar should use config icon for setup - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514192 Sep 09 16:32
juhp I started looking at this Sep 09 16:32
juhp looks straightward but needs changes to all IME I guess :-\ Sep 09 16:32
phuang get rid of keymap in ibus? and only uses xkb ? Sep 09 16:32
phuang juhp, yeah Sep 09 16:32
juhp phuang: no I am saying it should be done through IME Sep 09 16:32
juhp not globally Sep 09 16:33
phuang ic Sep 09 16:33
juhp but dunno how much we can do in time for f12 Sep 09 16:33
juhp I would say might be better to turn off ibus-anthy override for now if we can't find a proper solution quickly Sep 09 16:34
phuang ok. to use xkb as default setting Sep 09 16:34
phuang ok? Sep 09 16:35
fujiwarat schemas file can be set the default value by locale. Sep 09 16:35
fujiwarat If you want hardcoded us layout, probably it might be better to set ja only. Sep 09 16:36
phuang we don't like it. jensp, right? Sep 09 16:36
tagoh3 I thought that feature isn't yet implemented Sep 09 16:36
tagoh3 in gconf Sep 09 16:36
fujiwarat no Sep 09 16:36
fujiwarat oh, yes done Sep 09 16:36
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juhp phuang: well should only be jp for kana input - but still wonder how many people are going to input kana without jp kbd anyway Sep 09 16:38
juhp so value seems small to me? Sep 09 16:38
juhp phuang: yes Sep 09 16:39
juhp I mean just follow system kbd Sep 09 16:39
juhp (sorry irc is hard:) Sep 09 16:39
fujiwarat ok, I'll give the example change later. Sep 09 16:40
juhp okay Sep 09 16:40
juhp cool Sep 09 16:40
juhp paragan: Sep 09 16:40
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juhp .bug 501673 Sep 09 16:40
zodbot juhp: Bug 501673 [indic] Shortcut key should be ctrl+shift for changing keymaps - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673 Sep 09 16:40
juhp .bug 239414 Sep 09 16:41
zodbot juhp: Bug 239414 illogical mapping for non-QWERTY keyboard with m17n - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239414 Sep 09 16:41
juhp just pinging those Sep 09 16:41
paragan ok Sep 09 16:41
juhp any plans there? :) Sep 09 16:41
juhp wish we could fix 239414 for f12 Sep 09 16:41
juhp it is a long-standing bug and would highlight improve with ibus over scim say Sep 09 16:42
paragan yes need to work on it Sep 09 16:42
paragan ok Sep 09 16:42
juhp but I fear it needs upstream changes to label maps that assume qwerty Sep 09 16:42
dychen Mmm, not quite sure a table for keylayout <-> input map helps. Sep 09 16:42
juhp dychen: why not? :) Sep 09 16:43
paragan juhp, is alt + shift was decided as default key for changing keymaps in ibus Sep 09 16:43
juhp s/qwerty/US/ Sep 09 16:43
dychen paragan: Changing input methods, per se. Sep 09 16:44
juhp phuang: can we make Alt+Shift next hotkey for Indic? Sep 09 16:44
dychen paragan, what's Windows keybinding for them? Sep 09 16:45
paragan dychen, sorry? Sep 09 16:45
phuang juhp, current is alt+shift, right? Sep 09 16:45
juhp paragan: btw xkb uses Shift+Caps_Lock to switch layout Sep 09 16:45
juhp ah Sep 09 16:45
paragan https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501673#c3 Sep 09 16:45
dychen paragan: what's windows keybind for switching keylayout/input method? Sep 09 16:46
paragan looks to me its alt+shift in ibus and its ctrl+shift in scim Sep 09 16:46
juhp phuang: so it's already fixed? Sep 09 16:46
paragan dychen, sorry I don't know Sep 09 16:46
phuang juhp, no Sep 09 16:46
dychen :-) Sep 09 16:46
juhp paragan: ah ok (actually reading;) so you want Ctrl-Shift back hmm Sep 09 16:47
juhp phuang: so can we have Ctrl-Shift for indic? ;) Sep 09 16:47
paragan juhp, phuang yes. That was request got from scim users Sep 09 16:47
phuang juhp, we can Sep 09 16:47
dychen juhp: Doesn't warren against that idea? :-) Sep 09 16:47
*juhp doesn't think Ctrl-Shift is a good hotkey Sep 09 16:47
phuang juhp, actually, we like ctrl-shift too Sep 09 16:48
juhp phuang: indic only? Sep 09 16:48
juhp ah yeah Sep 09 16:48
phuang juhp, why indic only? Sep 09 16:48
juhp ok let's close wontfix ;-) Sep 09 16:48
phuang juhp, we don't like locale different settings. right Sep 09 16:48
juhp or any acceptable solution? Sep 09 16:48
dychen juhp: I think it Ctrl-Shift is from win95, Alt-Shift is from winxp. Sep 09 16:48
juhp hmm Sep 09 16:49
juhp I think Alt-Shift is better Sep 09 16:49
phuang dychen, really? I think it is ctrl+shift too Sep 09 16:49
juhp paragan: I think better indic users got used to it Sep 09 16:49
juhp hmm Sep 09 16:49
juhp Ctrl is too soft Sep 09 16:49
juhp next to shift IMHO Sep 09 16:50
dychen phuang: Um, ctrl-shift is for IM within the same locale, alt-shift is for IM "among" different locale. Sep 09 16:50
juhp or we leave it open? Sep 09 16:50
juhp I don't see a short-term global solution Sep 09 16:50
dychen juhp: Maybe stay as-is. Sep 09 16:51
juhp dychen: for all langs? Sep 09 16:51
juhp okay Sep 09 16:51
phuang juhp, I don't know. If me, i like change to the old one 'Ctrl - Shift' :) Sep 09 16:51
juhp so wontfix... Sep 09 16:51
juhp phuang: yeah I know it is popular in zh Sep 09 16:51
phuang ok Sep 09 16:51
juhp or deferred? Sep 09 16:52
juhp paragan: any more comment? Sep 09 16:52
paragan juhp, seems Windows uses Alt+shift as per http://www.conversationexchange.com/resources/keyboard-language.php Sep 09 16:52
juhp okay Sep 09 16:52
juhp so should be acceptable Sep 09 16:52
paragan ok then Sep 09 16:53
paragan I will leave resolution for this bug to juhp and phuang Sep 09 16:54
juhp closed :) Sep 09 16:54
juhp thanks :) Sep 09 16:54
phuang ok Sep 09 16:54
juhp ok ok Sep 09 16:54
paragan ok Sep 09 16:54
juhp let's finish - didn't plan to go on so long... Sep 09 16:54
juhp but glad we did cover some bugs in detail :) Sep 09 16:54
juhp let's try to keep pushing on the bugs for beta Sep 09 16:55
juhp # meeting closed Sep 09 16:56
juhp phew Sep 09 16:56
paragan thanks all Sep 09 16:56
dychen Thanks. Sep 09 16:57
tagoh3 thanks all Sep 09 16:57
phuang thanks Sep 09 16:59
fujiwarat thx Sep 09 16:59

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