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|- id="tMar 17 14:58:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fedora-i18n meeting is starting here shortly
|| [[#tMar 17 14:58:24|Mar 17 14:58]]
|- id="tMar 17 14:59:32"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | I always found "i18n" a funny way to abbreviate that.
|| [[#tMar 17 14:59:32|Mar 17 14:59]]
|- id="tMar 17 14:59:57"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | Since it is an abbreviation of the English word, and so the abbreviation isn't very international ;)
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|- id="tMar 17 15:00:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | mharris: true
|| [[#tMar 17 15:00:47|Mar 17 15:00]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:01:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I would not mind another name... :)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:01:03|Mar 17 15:01]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:01:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | dunno who/when actually brought it up
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|- id="tMar 17 15:01:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | Been around since the 70's or 80's no?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:01:48|Mar 17 15:01]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:01:53"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | that and l10n
|| [[#tMar 17 15:01:53|Mar 17 15:01]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:02:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | is it so old?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:02:13|Mar 17 15:02]]
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|- id="tMar 17 15:02:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[I18N/Meetings/2009-03-17]]
|| [[#tMar 17 15:02:20|Mar 17 15:02]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:02:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | "Due to their length, the terms are frequently abbreviated to the numeronyms i18n (where 18 stands for the number of letters between the i and the n in internationalization, a usage coined at DEC in the 1970s or 80s[1])"
|| [[#tMar 17 15:02:48|Mar 17 15:02]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:03:04"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I18n ;)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:03:04|Mar 17 15:03]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:03:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | oh is that what they call them cool
|| [[#tMar 17 15:03:07|Mar 17 15:03]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:03:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | aha
|| [[#tMar 17 15:03:32|Mar 17 15:03]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:03:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | mharris: thanks for that - didn't know they went that far back
|| [[#tMar 17 15:03:37|Mar 17 15:03]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:04:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | learnt a new word...
|| [[#tMar 17 15:04:11|Mar 17 15:04]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:04:46"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | I wasn't totally sure either, just tried to remember the first time I saw i18n in usage.  :)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:04:46|Mar 17 15:04]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:05:11"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | mharris
| style="color: #42427e" | which word, "numeronyms"?  I never heard that one before. :)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:05:11|Mar 17 15:05]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:05:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ping paragn
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|- id="tMar 17 15:06:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm who else is missing?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:06:17|Mar 17 15:06]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:06:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | paragn
| style="color: #854685" | juhp, pong
|| [[#tMar 17 15:06:37|Mar 17 15:06]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:06:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's get started
|| [[#tMar 17 15:06:56|Mar 17 15:06]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:07:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # IBus
|| [[#tMar 17 15:07:29|Mar 17 15:07]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:08:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | http://tinyurl.com/fedora-ibus-bugs
|| [[#tMar 17 15:08:28|Mar 17 15:08]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:09:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | there will be an ibus project meeting on Friday, but if there is anything we should discuss now we can
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | nope from me.
|| [[#tMar 17 15:12:02|Mar 17 15:12]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:12:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren informed me he did a usability test with a Japanese windows user and got some helpful feedback and going to file some bugs based on that
|| [[#tMar 17 15:12:17|Mar 17 15:12]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:12:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry was just going through the latest bugs
|| [[#tMar 17 15:12:27|Mar 17 15:12]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:12:49"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | I will transcribe all the notes into text and file bugs tomorrow
|| [[#tMar 17 15:12:49|Mar 17 15:12]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:13:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | 15 pages of handwritten notes
|| [[#tMar 17 15:13:03|Mar 17 15:13]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:13:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | Pravin isn't here but nearly finished ibus-sayura for Sinhala
|| [[#tMar 17 15:13:04|Mar 17 15:13]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:13:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: awesome!  &lt;applause/&gt; :)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:13:20|Mar 17 15:13]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:13:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: 2 hours of user testing, Windows IME vs SCIM vs ibus
|| [[#tMar 17 15:13:48|Mar 17 15:13]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:13:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fantastic effort!
|| [[#tMar 17 15:13:57|Mar 17 15:13]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:14:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | surprisingly anthy is a lot better than I thought it was.
|| [[#tMar 17 15:14:10|Mar 17 15:14]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:14:14"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | only ibus implemntation has problems
|| [[#tMar 17 15:14:14|Mar 17 15:14]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:14:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | anyway, I really need to sleep
|| [[#tMar 17 15:14:27|Mar 17 15:14]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:14:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we know that ibus-anthy needs some love - we need to assign the package to someone familiar with anthy/Japanese and delegate some bugs
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|- id="tMar 17 15:15:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: hehe :)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:15:12|Mar 17 15:15]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:15:13"
! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | (do you have Japanese engineers?)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:15:13|Mar 17 15:15]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:15:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well there is tagoh3 and me at least
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | will try to work something out
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|- id="tMar 17 15:17:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think bug 488666 is the most serious bug currently for f11
|| [[#tMar 17 15:17:56|Mar 17 15:17]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:17:58"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | buggbot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=488666 medium, low, ---, phuang, ASSIGNED, candidate window cursor keybindings not intuitive
|| [[#tMar 17 15:17:58|Mar 17 15:17]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:18:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it also came up in Warren's testing
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|- id="tMar 17 15:18:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and we talked about in the last ibus meeting
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|- id="tMar 17 15:18:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well if nothing else we can move on
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|- id="tMar 17 15:18:47"
| colspan="2" | ---knurd_afk is now known as knurd
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! style="background-color: #488888" | warren
| style="color: #488888" | my notes will have very specific examples of key bindings being wrong
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # great
|| [[#tMar 17 15:20:39|Mar 17 15:20]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:20:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | oops
|| [[#tMar 17 15:20:42|Mar 17 15:20]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:20:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | great
|| [[#tMar 17 15:20:44|Mar 17 15:20]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:20:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # F11
|| [[#tMar 17 15:20:51|Mar 17 15:20]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:21:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think f11 beta is freezing now, but still some churn
|| [[#tMar 17 15:21:11|Mar 17 15:21]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:22:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think behdad pushed a new fontconfig which probably needs testing
|| [[#tMar 17 15:22:01|Mar 17 15:22]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:22:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=94136
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|- id="tMar 17 15:24:19"
| colspan="2" | *juhp tries it
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|- id="tMar 17 15:24:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that is also supposed to fix gdm lang menu breakage
|| [[#tMar 17 15:24:37|Mar 17 15:24]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:24:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any other f11 issues or concerns to discuss?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:24:53|Mar 17 15:24]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:25:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think recent rawhide is installable so now is a good time to test for beta and after
|| [[#tMar 17 15:25:11|Mar 17 15:25]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:25:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | aha. good to hear. let me try later..
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|- id="tMar 17 15:26:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | though I did try today.. so can't guarantee :)
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|- id="tMar 17 15:27:39"
| colspan="2" | *K410 is glad that dont need to use F11 alpha
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|- id="tMar 17 15:28:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let me see if I can see any target or blocker bugs
|| [[#tMar 17 15:28:56|Mar 17 15:28]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:32:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&amp;field0-0-0=blocked&amp;type0-0-0=equals&amp;value0-0-0=446452
|| [[#tMar 17 15:32:02|Mar 17 15:32]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:32:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | buggbot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | &lt;http://tinyurl.com/ddk34l&gt; (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:32:03|Mar 17 15:32]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:33:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm not sure if hanja counts as a blocker or feature, but would be nice to have certainly
|| [[#tMar 17 15:33:04|Mar 17 15:33]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:35:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry again for the pause
|| [[#tMar 17 15:35:02|Mar 17 15:35]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:35:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | updated tracker links on [[I18N/Bugs]]
|| [[#tMar 17 15:35:21|Mar 17 15:35]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:35:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&amp;field0-0-0=blocked&amp;type0-0-0=equals&amp;value0-0-0=446451
|| [[#tMar 17 15:35:36|Mar 17 15:35]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:35:38"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | buggbot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | &lt;http://tinyurl.com/ct9cnl&gt; (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
|| [[#tMar 17 15:35:38|Mar 17 15:35]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:36:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok mostly ibus stuff
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|- id="tMar 17 15:37:34"
| colspan="2" | *juhp feels like we are missing more bugs
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|- id="tMar 17 15:37:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else for f11?
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|- id="tMar 17 15:38:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # I18n Bug day
|| [[#tMar 17 15:38:22|Mar 17 15:38]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:38:22"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | K410
| style="color: #4b904b" | I have fixed that 490496 yesterday but all bz comments are reverted?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:38:22|Mar 17 15:38]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:38:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 490496
|| [[#tMar 17 15:38:38|Mar 17 15:38]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:38:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | buggbot
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490496 medium, low, ---, ajax, NEW, X hangs at GDM with intel modesetting
|| [[#tMar 17 15:38:40|Mar 17 15:38]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:38:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | K410: ?
|| [[#tMar 17 15:38:52|Mar 17 15:38]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:39:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | K410
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp☺ http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=94234 , thats ok, pls go on
|| [[#tMar 17 15:39:15|Mar 17 15:39]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:39:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | K410
| style="color: #4b904b" | 490396
|| [[#tMar 17 15:39:36|Mar 17 15:39]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:40:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | K410: comments lost?
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|- id="tMar 17 15:41:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | K410
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp☺ ok, I am doing it again just now.
|| [[#tMar 17 15:41:13|Mar 17 15:41]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:41:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tMar 17 15:41:22|Mar 17 15:41]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:41:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # I18n Bug day
|| [[#tMar 17 15:41:31|Mar 17 15:41]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:41:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[I18N/Bugs]]
|| [[#tMar 17 15:41:42|Mar 17 15:41]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:42:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | our bug count is up a bit again and now that we are in the bugfixing period for f11 I thought it would be good to do fedora-i18n bug day to get on top of them a bit
|| [[#tMar 17 15:42:37|Mar 17 15:42]]
|- id="tMar 17 15:45:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe in two weeks time - after Beta is out?
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|- id="tMar 17 15:46:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | what do people think?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | today there are 190 i18n-team bugs open
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| style="color: #818144" | sounds good to me
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| style="color: #407a40" | then I will send out a announcement later - perhaps we can coordinate something with fedora-qa too
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| style="color: #407a40" | cool
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # Open Discussion
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone brought any other topics along and come up with anything else to talk about?
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| colspan="2" | *juhp was just looking at open reviews
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=Package Review&amp;bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | now that ibus-table-cangjie is in fedora the rest of the tables should be easier to do
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well if there is nothing else... ?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | then let's close the meeting today
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks to everyone who joined :)
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2009-03-17 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode

Agenda

Please add agenda items or propose to fedora-i18n-list ahead of the meeting.

  • IBus
  • F11
  • I18n Bug day
  • Open discussion

Log

juhp fedora-i18n meeting is starting here shortly Mar 17 14:58
mharris I always found "i18n" a funny way to abbreviate that. Mar 17 14:59
mharris Since it is an abbreviation of the English word, and so the abbreviation isn't very international ;) Mar 17 14:59
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juhp mharris: true Mar 17 15:00
juhp I would not mind another name... :) Mar 17 15:01
tagoh3 dunno who/when actually brought it up Mar 17 15:01
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mharris Been around since the 70's or 80's no? Mar 17 15:01
mharris that and l10n Mar 17 15:01
tagoh3 is it so old? Mar 17 15:02
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juhp I18N/Meetings/2009-03-17 Mar 17 15:02
mharris "Due to their length, the terms are frequently abbreviated to the numeronyms i18n (where 18 stands for the number of letters between the i and the n in internationalization, a usage coined at DEC in the 1970s or 80s[1])" Mar 17 15:02
mharris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I18n ;) Mar 17 15:03
juhp oh is that what they call them cool Mar 17 15:03
tagoh3 aha Mar 17 15:03
juhp mharris: thanks for that - didn't know they went that far back Mar 17 15:03
juhp learnt a new word... Mar 17 15:04
mharris I wasn't totally sure either, just tried to remember the first time I saw i18n in usage.  :) Mar 17 15:04
mharris which word, "numeronyms"? I never heard that one before. :) Mar 17 15:05
juhp ping paragn Mar 17 15:05
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juhp hmm who else is missing? Mar 17 15:06
paragn juhp, pong Mar 17 15:06
juhp ok let's get started Mar 17 15:06
juhp # IBus Mar 17 15:07
juhp http://tinyurl.com/fedora-ibus-bugs Mar 17 15:08
juhp there will be an ibus project meeting on Friday, but if there is anything we should discuss now we can Mar 17 15:09
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tagoh3 nope from me. Mar 17 15:12
juhp warren informed me he did a usability test with a Japanese windows user and got some helpful feedback and going to file some bugs based on that Mar 17 15:12
juhp sorry was just going through the latest bugs Mar 17 15:12
warren I will transcribe all the notes into text and file bugs tomorrow Mar 17 15:12
warren 15 pages of handwritten notes Mar 17 15:13
juhp Pravin isn't here but nearly finished ibus-sayura for Sinhala Mar 17 15:13
juhp warren: awesome! <applause/> :) Mar 17 15:13
warren juhp: 2 hours of user testing, Windows IME vs SCIM vs ibus Mar 17 15:13
juhp fantastic effort! Mar 17 15:13
warren surprisingly anthy is a lot better than I thought it was. Mar 17 15:14
warren only ibus implemntation has problems Mar 17 15:14
warren anyway, I really need to sleep Mar 17 15:14
juhp we know that ibus-anthy needs some love - we need to assign the package to someone familiar with anthy/Japanese and delegate some bugs Mar 17 15:14
juhp warren: hehe :) Mar 17 15:15
warren (do you have Japanese engineers?) Mar 17 15:15
juhp well there is tagoh3 and me at least Mar 17 15:15
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juhp will try to work something out Mar 17 15:15
juhp I think bug 488666 is the most serious bug currently for f11 Mar 17 15:17
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=488666 medium, low, ---, phuang, ASSIGNED, candidate window cursor keybindings not intuitive Mar 17 15:17
juhp I think it also came up in Warren's testing Mar 17 15:18
juhp and we talked about in the last ibus meeting Mar 17 15:18
juhp well if nothing else we can move on Mar 17 15:18
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warren my notes will have very specific examples of key bindings being wrong Mar 17 15:18
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juhp # great Mar 17 15:20
juhp oops Mar 17 15:20
juhp great Mar 17 15:20
juhp # F11 Mar 17 15:20
juhp I think f11 beta is freezing now, but still some churn Mar 17 15:21
juhp I think behdad pushed a new fontconfig which probably needs testing Mar 17 15:22
juhp http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=94136 Mar 17 15:22
*juhp tries it Mar 17 15:24
juhp that is also supposed to fix gdm lang menu breakage Mar 17 15:24
juhp any other f11 issues or concerns to discuss? Mar 17 15:24
juhp I think recent rawhide is installable so now is a good time to test for beta and after Mar 17 15:25
tagoh3 aha. good to hear. let me try later.. Mar 17 15:25
juhp though I did try today.. so can't guarantee :) Mar 17 15:26
*K410 is glad that dont need to use F11 alpha Mar 17 15:27
juhp let me see if I can see any target or blocker bugs Mar 17 15:28
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=446452 Mar 17 15:32
buggbot <http://tinyurl.com/ddk34l> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) Mar 17 15:32
juhp hmm not sure if hanja counts as a blocker or feature, but would be nice to have certainly Mar 17 15:33
juhp sorry again for the pause Mar 17 15:35
juhp updated tracker links on I18N/Bugs Mar 17 15:35
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=446451 Mar 17 15:35
buggbot <http://tinyurl.com/ct9cnl> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) Mar 17 15:35
juhp ok mostly ibus stuff Mar 17 15:36
*juhp feels like we are missing more bugs Mar 17 15:37
juhp anything else for f11? Mar 17 15:37
juhp # I18n Bug day Mar 17 15:38
K410 I have fixed that 490496 yesterday but all bz comments are reverted? Mar 17 15:38
juhp bug 490496 Mar 17 15:38
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490496 medium, low, ---, ajax, NEW, X hangs at GDM with intel modesetting Mar 17 15:38
juhp K410: ? Mar 17 15:38
K410 juhp☺ http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=94234 , thats ok, pls go on Mar 17 15:39
K410 490396 Mar 17 15:39
juhp K410: comments lost? Mar 17 15:40
K410 juhp☺ ok, I am doing it again just now. Mar 17 15:41
juhp ok Mar 17 15:41
juhp # I18n Bug day Mar 17 15:41
juhp I18N/Bugs Mar 17 15:41
juhp our bug count is up a bit again and now that we are in the bugfixing period for f11 I thought it would be good to do fedora-i18n bug day to get on top of them a bit Mar 17 15:42
juhp maybe in two weeks time - after Beta is out? Mar 17 15:45
juhp what do people think? Mar 17 15:46
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juhp today there are 190 i18n-team bugs open Mar 17 15:46
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tagoh3 sounds good to me Mar 17 15:47
juhp then I will send out a announcement later - perhaps we can coordinate something with fedora-qa too Mar 17 15:47
juhp cool Mar 17 15:47
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juhp # Open Discussion Mar 17 15:49
juhp anyone brought any other topics along and come up with anything else to talk about? Mar 17 15:50
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*juhp was just looking at open reviews Mar 17 15:50
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=Package Review&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com Mar 17 15:52
juhp now that ibus-table-cangjie is in fedora the rest of the tables should be easier to do Mar 17 15:54
juhp well if there is nothing else... ? Mar 17 15:54
juhp then let's close the meeting today Mar 17 15:55
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juhp thanks to everyone who joined :) Mar 17 15:55

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