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|- id="tApr 14 15:02:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-04-14
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|- id="tApr 14 15:02:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome to the fedora-i18n team meeting
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|- id="tApr 14 15:02:38"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dychen_
| style="color: #42427e" | hi
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! style="background-color: #818144" | jni_
| style="color: #818144" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:02:59"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:03:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | woohoo
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|- id="tApr 14 15:03:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone else? :)
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|- id="tApr 14 15:03:35"
! style="background-color: #488888" | sflanigan
| style="color: #488888" | g'day
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|- id="tApr 14 15:03:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:04:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | hello
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|- id="tApr 14 15:05:52"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:06:40"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | rahul_b
| style="color: #97974f" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:07:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay let's get started
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | paragn
| style="color: #9b519b" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:09:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | K410
| style="color: #539e9e" | hi
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|- id="tApr 14 15:10:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | cool
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|- id="tApr 14 15:10:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # f11 final freeze
|| [[#tApr 14 15:10:41|Apr 14 15:10]]
|- id="tApr 14 15:11:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let's have a quick look at the blockers and i18n target bugs
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|- id="tApr 14 15:11:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tomorrow is the final devel freeze for f11
|| [[#tApr 14 15:11:20|Apr 14 15:11]]
|- id="tApr 14 15:13:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm should have put the url on the page
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|- id="tApr 14 15:13:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | here they are:
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|- id="tApr 14 15:13:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&amp;field0-0-0=blocked&amp;type0-0-0=equals&amp;value0-0-0=446452
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|- id="tApr 14 15:13:32"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | &lt;http://tinyurl.com/c33xyz&gt; (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
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|- id="tApr 14 15:13:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (blockers)
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|- id="tApr 14 15:15:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | bug 495431
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|- id="tApr 14 15:15:06"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=495431 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus Release modifier doesn't work with Alt
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|- id="tApr 14 15:15:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | doesn't really look like a blocker to me
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|- id="tApr 14 15:15:42"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: as noted, it is a blocker if the dependent bug is a blocker as it currently is
|| [[#tApr 14 15:15:42|Apr 14 15:15]]
|- id="tApr 14 15:15:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't really feel comfortable turning Alt_R into a global ibus hotkey at this stage
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|- id="tApr 14 15:15:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah
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|- id="tApr 14 15:16:02"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: you're the one that suggested adding Alt_R as a global ibus hotkey
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|- id="tApr 14 15:16:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I was? :)
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|- id="tApr 14 15:16:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
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|- id="tApr 14 15:16:33"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: we found yesterday that neither ibus-hangul or ibus global hotkey will work due to 495431
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|- id="tApr 14 15:16:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
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|- id="tApr 14 15:17:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang_: what do you say?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:17:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | phuang_: my question for you, why does SCIM not have this problem?
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | warren, It does not have?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:17:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | afraid I didn't get round to reviewing the list before the meeting
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|- id="tApr 14 15:17:37"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | phuang_: right-Alt works in scim-hangul
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|- id="tApr 14 15:17:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: globally?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm I don't think it is regression
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:08"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: no, it doesn't need that ugly hack, because scim-hangul does it natively
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: are you saying that Release does not work at all?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:26"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: for Alt keys
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: ok for ko&lt;-&gt;en right?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:39"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: which we need to support proper hangul behavior
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|- id="tApr 14 15:18:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I am testing scim-hangul
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|- id="tApr 14 15:19:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: Release not working sounds like a bug - I don't the ibus-hangul en mode will make f11-final
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|- id="tApr 14 15:19:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/don't/doubt
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|- id="tApr 14 15:19:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | warren, where to set the switcher key in scim hangul?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:19:50"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: right, that's why release not working is filed as a separate bug
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|- id="tApr 14 15:19:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: is the bug hangul specific?  well I will test later too
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|- id="tApr 14 15:20:02"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: no
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|- id="tApr 14 15:20:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: gotcha
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|- id="tApr 14 15:20:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: you can't use Alt + Release for anything in ibus currently
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|- id="tApr 14 15:20:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | phuang_: I don't know
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | warren, I think scim-hangul does not have Alt_r too. I did not find it
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: can we move it to target?  I still hope we can fix the release issue
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: 495431 is a blocker only if 494445 is a blocker, which it has been up to now.
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: your decision
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | or make it block 494445?  seems more reasonable to me
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:40"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: already does
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | already does
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|- id="tApr 14 15:21:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yep thanks
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | phuang_: can you write a simple test app that I can use tomorrow in talking to the gtk maintainer?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's discuss bug 495431
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:18"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=495431 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus Release modifier doesn't work with Alt
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ugh
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok let's discuss bug 494445
|| [[#tApr 14 15:22:29|Apr 14 15:22]]
|- id="tApr 14 15:22:31"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=494445 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus-hangul missing right-Alt or Hangul Han/En mode
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|- id="tApr 14 15:22:52"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | right-Alt is necessary to support the most commonly used hangul button
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | juhp, I think scim-hangul does not have right-Alt hot key too. I did not find it
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|- id="tApr 14 15:23:17"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | phuang_: hmm, i need to retest, I could have sworn it works here though
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: I think I meant adding Hangul key (whatever it is called) not Alt_R - I remember now - perhaps I was ambiguous
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|- id="tApr 14 15:23:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | there should be something requires a release key event in hotkey. forgot which engine requires though
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: right
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | If the problem really is gtk+ filtering out Alt, then we need to talk to the GTK people?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:25:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm
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|- id="tApr 14 15:25:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | If so a simple test app that demonstrates the problem without ibus involved would really help.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | warren: no, it really depend on immodule implementation
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | tagoh3: oh
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|- id="tApr 14 15:25:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | no fault in gtk+ itself
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|- id="tApr 14 15:25:40"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | so our problem then?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:25:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | at least current design
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I see yes
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | phuang_: do we have the hangul key added?
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|- id="tApr 14 15:27:50"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: as global trigger yes
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|- id="tApr 14 15:27:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yes
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|- id="tApr 14 15:27:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | warren, for trigger? yeah
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | see it
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: your decision to move it to target, but this is a must fix for RHEL6.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: sure
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we are mostly out of time for f11 for this - we did our best :)
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | this isn't a regression for F-11 with defaults at least.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | right
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | ok, move both bugs to target
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | discuss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492510 now?
|| [[#tApr 14 15:29:58|Apr 14 15:29]]
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! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | Bug 492510: medium, low, ---, fangqq, NEW, Regression: wqy-bitmap-fonts preferred font over truetype fonts
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: there is also the ko compat layout - maybe we should mention it in the relnotes?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dunno how good it is?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | yep let's move on
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: i'm not sure what that is
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (maybe gdm does not support it)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | the wqy bug looks a bit hard
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | the font issue is complicated and I don't understand it
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | nod
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! style="background-color: #539e9e" | K410
| style="color: #539e9e" | need more triage on that
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it really needs cleanup upstream.. I put some comments in the upstream bug earlier
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | who would actually do it upstream?
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | I think only WE are the people who care about it and understand it.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3 proposed a new .conf file to help which led to more discussion
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: behdad?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | IMHO all of fonts that is likely to conflict should works in specific langs.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yeah - I think it is ok to fallback to zh say if we don't know the lang
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: perhaps you want to comment on the upstream bug too?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (fallback relunctantly)
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: not read yet carefully but what upstream was saying about a kind of this issue was, to use lang tag for text IIRC.
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | this was introduced by preparing conf file without lang check though, I'm not sure if there are any way to avoid it in fontconfig
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yeah I am not sure either - I think fqq is proposed a default fallback list - starting with zh bitmap...
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway main question is what if anything we can do for f11
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | warren: why did you install wqy-bitmap-fonts?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (added comment I was drafting)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyway we will try to do a little testing and see if we can find a gentle workaround - but I don't want to break more stuff at this point :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any more comments before we move on?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ## Target bugs
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&amp;field0-0-0=blocked&amp;type0-0-0=equals&amp;value0-0-0=446451
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! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | &lt;http://tinyurl.com/ct9cnl&gt; (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: I install all CJK on my system so I cna test it
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: yum groupinstall chinese-support pulled in wqy-bitmap-fonts
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | fair enough
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | right
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| colspan="2" | *juhp wonders if it is a bad idea to rebuild fonts now
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | why bad?
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | warren
| style="color: #4b904b" | juhp: we can still tag things into final for weeks
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | well more late than bad
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_b: did you have a chance to rebuild culmus and ISO8889-2 fonts?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3 fixed bug 488899
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! style="background-color: #a25555" | buggbot
| style="color: #a25555" | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=488899 medium, low, ---, tagoh, MODIFIED, maybe xim related crash when restarting ibus
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragn: I guess the mr iso-codes won't make f11?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragn: what about the .engine files?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: as we've talked, I've disabled xim again by default in the last push.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | aha
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: paragn  can we build iso-codes with patch?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: globally?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: yes
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | paragn
| style="color: #9b519b" | juhp, yes mr iso-codes need some more time
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | paragn
| style="color: #9b519b" | juhp, rebuilt m17n-db and m17n-contrib with removal of .engine files
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: paragn said caillon only wanted upstream source apparently
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | since its distorting all lang list of ibus
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | paragn
| style="color: #9b519b" | juhp, need to test this new m17n packages with ibus yet
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hmm
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | paragn: on then please move the bug :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/on/ok
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! style="background-color: #9b519b" | paragn
| style="color: #9b519b" | juhp, sure will do that
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | cool
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| colspan="2" | *pravins thinks submitting screenshot on bug will help bit more :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: so you mean f11 imsettings won't worry about xim, right?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: could be good
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: unless one explicitly run applet.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: applet allows changing xim backend?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | yes. that's one of features applet contains
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: but not im-chooser?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_b: ping?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | it's just a frontend application to send a signal to imsettings. gconf-im-settings-daemon takes an action for gtk immodule. applet or imsettings-xim is for xim.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok just wondering if applet has more feature than im-chooser?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | anyways
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | will try to poke rahul_b later about those rebuilds
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ##  f11 relnotes
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm I think this was a headsup that we need to review our relnotes and make sure they are up to date for the final release
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pity that ibus didn't get extra attention with the f11beta highlights
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so please take some moments to review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_l18n_Beat
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | ah, moved to new one?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: think we need to add your new ime's :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: part of the wiki namespace cleanup I believe
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! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: yeah, i was thinking same :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | so Docs/Beats/I18n will be removed shortly?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: please go ahead - or I will got to it eventually I guess
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: it redirects there
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| style="color: #854685" | aha
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! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | didn't realized that since url isn't changed.
|| [[#tApr 14 16:06:12|Apr 14 16:06]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:06:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmm I would not mind to move the l10n stuff into a separate beat
|| [[#tApr 14 16:06:29|Apr 14 16:06]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:06:39"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | juhp: will do if after meeting
|| [[#tApr 14 16:06:39|Apr 14 16:06]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:06:48"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | s/if/it
|| [[#tApr 14 16:06:48|Apr 14 16:06]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:06:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: yeah - maybe it is kind of a feature?  aliases?
|| [[#tApr 14 16:06:54|Apr 14 16:06]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:07:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | some more update from collation side also need to update
|| [[#tApr 14 16:07:08|Apr 14 16:07]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:07:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but yeah can be a little confused - there is a message near the top though
|| [[#tApr 14 16:07:18|Apr 14 16:07]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:07:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tApr 14 16:07:22|Apr 14 16:07]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:07:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | s/confused/confusing
|| [[#tApr 14 16:07:28|Apr 14 16:07]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: do you want to update anything there on imsettings?
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:02|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:29"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | sure
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:29|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:32|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | #  ibus
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:37|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" |    * ibus QA test event
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:37|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:08:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we planning a Fedora QA Test Day next month
|| [[#tApr 14 16:08:55|Apr 14 16:08]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:09:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think the tentative date is 14 May
|| [[#tApr 14 16:09:05|Apr 14 16:09]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:09:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | let me see if I can dig out the url
|| [[#tApr 14 16:09:34|Apr 14 16:09]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:12:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Days:IBus
|| [[#tApr 14 16:12:20|Apr 14 16:12]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:12:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tApr 14 16:12:23|Apr 14 16:12]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:12:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | that is still a draft and we need some more test cases so would appreciate input on those
|| [[#tApr 14 16:12:45|Apr 14 16:12]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:13:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | specially for imsettings and CIJK test cases
|| [[#tApr 14 16:13:11|Apr 14 16:13]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:14:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3, phuang_, paragn, dychen: so guess will need some help from you guys
|| [[#tApr 14 16:14:17|Apr 14 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:14:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | dychen
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: Sure
|| [[#tApr 14 16:14:50|Apr 14 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:14:56"
! style="background-color: #854685" | tagoh3
| style="color: #854685" | sure
|| [[#tApr 14 16:14:56|Apr 14 16:14]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:15:09"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | phuang_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ok
|| [[#tApr 14 16:15:09|Apr 14 16:15]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:15:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks
|| [[#tApr 14 16:15:12|Apr 14 16:15]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:15:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | # Discussion
|| [[#tApr 14 16:15:44|Apr 14 16:15]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:15:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any other things to discuss today?
|| [[#tApr 14 16:15:53|Apr 14 16:15]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:16:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry bit long meeting because of f11 freeze tomorrow
|| [[#tApr 14 16:16:13|Apr 14 16:16]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:18:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok if no others topics then let's closed today's fedora-i18n meeting
|| [[#tApr 14 16:18:13|Apr 14 16:18]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:18:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks everyone for joining in :)
|| [[#tApr 14 16:18:39|Apr 14 16:18]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:19:00"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | pravins
| style="color: #4d4d93" | thanks juhp
|| [[#tApr 14 16:19:00|Apr 14 16:19]]
|- id="tApr 14 16:19:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | * meeting closed
|| [[#tApr 14 16:19:04|Apr 14 16:19]]
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Revision as of 06:36, 14 April 2009

2009-04-14 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode

Agenda

  • f11 final freeze
    • blocker bugs
      • moved 2 ibus-hangul bugs to target, leaving just wqy-bitmaps fonts issue
    • target bugs reviewed
    • f11 relnotes
      • team to review and update final relnotes
  • ibus QA test event

Log

juhp http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-04-14 Apr 14 15:02
juhp welcome to the fedora-i18n team meeting Apr 14 15:02
dychen_ hi Apr 14 15:02
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jni_ hi Apr 14 15:02
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tagoh3 hi Apr 14 15:02
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juhp woohoo Apr 14 15:03
juhp anyone else? :) Apr 14 15:03
sflanigan g'day Apr 14 15:03
phuang_ hi Apr 14 15:03
warren hello Apr 14 15:04
pravins hi Apr 14 15:05
rahul_b hi Apr 14 15:06
juhp okay let's get started Apr 14 15:07
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paragn hi Apr 14 15:08
K410 hi Apr 14 15:09
juhp cool Apr 14 15:10
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juhp # f11 final freeze Apr 14 15:10
juhp let's have a quick look at the blockers and i18n target bugs Apr 14 15:11
juhp tomorrow is the final devel freeze for f11 Apr 14 15:11
juhp hmm should have put the url on the page Apr 14 15:13
juhp here they are: Apr 14 15:13
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=446452 Apr 14 15:13
buggbot <http://tinyurl.com/c33xyz> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) Apr 14 15:13
juhp (blockers) Apr 14 15:13
juhp bug 495431 Apr 14 15:15
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=495431 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus Release modifier doesn't work with Alt Apr 14 15:15
juhp doesn't really look like a blocker to me Apr 14 15:15
warren juhp: as noted, it is a blocker if the dependent bug is a blocker as it currently is Apr 14 15:15
juhp I don't really feel comfortable turning Alt_R into a global ibus hotkey at this stage Apr 14 15:15
juhp yeah Apr 14 15:15
warren juhp: you're the one that suggested adding Alt_R as a global ibus hotkey Apr 14 15:16
juhp I was? :) Apr 14 15:16
juhp hmm Apr 14 15:16
warren juhp: we found yesterday that neither ibus-hangul or ibus global hotkey will work due to 495431 Apr 14 15:16
juhp hmm Apr 14 15:16
juhp phuang_: what do you say? Apr 14 15:17
warren phuang_: my question for you, why does SCIM not have this problem? Apr 14 15:17
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phuang_ warren, It does not have? Apr 14 15:17
juhp afraid I didn't get round to reviewing the list before the meeting Apr 14 15:17
warren phuang_: right-Alt works in scim-hangul Apr 14 15:17
juhp warren: globally? Apr 14 15:17
juhp hmm I don't think it is regression Apr 14 15:18
warren juhp: no, it doesn't need that ugly hack, because scim-hangul does it natively Apr 14 15:18
juhp warren: are you saying that Release does not work at all? Apr 14 15:18
warren juhp: for Alt keys Apr 14 15:18
juhp warren: ok for ko<->en right? Apr 14 15:18
warren juhp: which we need to support proper hangul behavior Apr 14 15:18
phuang_ I am testing scim-hangul Apr 14 15:18
juhp warren: Release not working sounds like a bug - I don't the ibus-hangul en mode will make f11-final Apr 14 15:19
juhp s/don't/doubt Apr 14 15:19
phuang_ warren, where to set the switcher key in scim hangul? Apr 14 15:19
warren juhp: right, that's why release not working is filed as a separate bug Apr 14 15:19
juhp warren: is the bug hangul specific? well I will test later too Apr 14 15:19
warren juhp: no Apr 14 15:20
juhp warren: gotcha Apr 14 15:20
warren juhp: you can't use Alt + Release for anything in ibus currently Apr 14 15:20
warren phuang_: I don't know Apr 14 15:20
phuang_ warren, I think scim-hangul does not have Alt_r too. I did not find it Apr 14 15:21
juhp warren: can we move it to target? I still hope we can fix the release issue Apr 14 15:21
warren juhp: 495431 is a blocker only if 494445 is a blocker, which it has been up to now. Apr 14 15:21
warren juhp: your decision Apr 14 15:21
juhp or make it block 494445? seems more reasonable to me Apr 14 15:21
juhp ok Apr 14 15:21
warren juhp: already does Apr 14 15:21
juhp already does Apr 14 15:21
juhp yep thanks Apr 14 15:21
warren phuang_: can you write a simple test app that I can use tomorrow in talking to the gtk maintainer? Apr 14 15:22
juhp ok let's discuss bug 495431 Apr 14 15:22
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=495431 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus Release modifier doesn't work with Alt Apr 14 15:22
juhp ugh Apr 14 15:22
juhp ok let's discuss bug 494445 Apr 14 15:22
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=494445 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus-hangul missing right-Alt or Hangul Han/En mode Apr 14 15:22
warren right-Alt is necessary to support the most commonly used hangul button Apr 14 15:22
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phuang_ juhp, I think scim-hangul does not have right-Alt hot key too. I did not find it Apr 14 15:23
warren phuang_: hmm, i need to retest, I could have sworn it works here though Apr 14 15:23
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juhp warren: I think I meant adding Hangul key (whatever it is called) not Alt_R - I remember now - perhaps I was ambiguous Apr 14 15:23
tagoh3 there should be something requires a release key event in hotkey. forgot which engine requires though Apr 14 15:23
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juhp tagoh3: right Apr 14 15:24
warren If the problem really is gtk+ filtering out Alt, then we need to talk to the GTK people? Apr 14 15:24
juhp hmm Apr 14 15:25
warren If so a simple test app that demonstrates the problem without ibus involved would really help. Apr 14 15:25
juhp okay Apr 14 15:25
tagoh3 warren: no, it really depend on immodule implementation Apr 14 15:25
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warren tagoh3: oh Apr 14 15:25
tagoh3 no fault in gtk+ itself Apr 14 15:25
warren so our problem then? Apr 14 15:25
tagoh3 at least current design Apr 14 15:25
juhp I see yes Apr 14 15:26
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juhp phuang_: do we have the hangul key added? Apr 14 15:27
warren juhp: as global trigger yes Apr 14 15:27
juhp yes Apr 14 15:27
juhp ok Apr 14 15:27
phuang_ warren, for trigger? yeah Apr 14 15:27
juhp see it Apr 14 15:28
warren juhp: your decision to move it to target, but this is a must fix for RHEL6. Apr 14 15:28
juhp warren: sure Apr 14 15:28
juhp I think we are mostly out of time for f11 for this - we did our best :) Apr 14 15:29
warren this isn't a regression for F-11 with defaults at least. Apr 14 15:29
juhp right Apr 14 15:29
warren ok, move both bugs to target Apr 14 15:29
warren discuss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492510 now? Apr 14 15:29
buggbot Bug 492510: medium, low, ---, fangqq, NEW, Regression: wqy-bitmap-fonts preferred font over truetype fonts Apr 14 15:30
juhp warren: there is also the ko compat layout - maybe we should mention it in the relnotes? Apr 14 15:30
juhp dunno how good it is? Apr 14 15:30
juhp yep let's move on Apr 14 15:30
warren juhp: i'm not sure what that is Apr 14 15:31
juhp ok Apr 14 15:31
juhp (maybe gdm does not support it) Apr 14 15:31
juhp the wqy bug looks a bit hard Apr 14 15:32
warren the font issue is complicated and I don't understand it Apr 14 15:32
juhp nod Apr 14 15:32
K410 need more triage on that Apr 14 15:32
juhp I think it really needs cleanup upstream.. I put some comments in the upstream bug earlier Apr 14 15:32
warren who would actually do it upstream? Apr 14 15:32
warren I think only WE are the people who care about it and understand it. Apr 14 15:33
juhp tagoh3 proposed a new .conf file to help which led to more discussion Apr 14 15:33
juhp warren: behdad? Apr 14 15:33
tagoh3 IMHO all of fonts that is likely to conflict should works in specific langs. Apr 14 15:33
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juhp tagoh3: yeah - I think it is ok to fallback to zh say if we don't know the lang Apr 14 15:33
juhp tagoh3: perhaps you want to comment on the upstream bug too? Apr 14 15:34
juhp (fallback relunctantly) Apr 14 15:34
tagoh3 juhp: not read yet carefully but what upstream was saying about a kind of this issue was, to use lang tag for text IIRC. Apr 14 15:34
tagoh3 this was introduced by preparing conf file without lang check though, I'm not sure if there are any way to avoid it in fontconfig Apr 14 15:36
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juhp tagoh3: yeah I am not sure either - I think fqq is proposed a default fallback list - starting with zh bitmap... Apr 14 15:38
juhp anyway main question is what if anything we can do for f11 Apr 14 15:39
juhp warren: why did you install wqy-bitmap-fonts? Apr 14 15:39
juhp (added comment I was drafting) Apr 14 15:40
juhp anyway we will try to do a little testing and see if we can find a gentle workaround - but I don't want to break more stuff at this point :) Apr 14 15:40
juhp any more comments before we move on? Apr 14 15:42
juhp ## Target bugs Apr 14 15:43
juhp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=446451 Apr 14 15:43
buggbot <http://tinyurl.com/ct9cnl> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) Apr 14 15:43
warren juhp: I install all CJK on my system so I cna test it Apr 14 15:43
warren juhp: yum groupinstall chinese-support pulled in wqy-bitmap-fonts Apr 14 15:43
juhp fair enough Apr 14 15:45
juhp right Apr 14 15:45
*juhp wonders if it is a bad idea to rebuild fonts now Apr 14 15:45
warren why bad? Apr 14 15:46
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warren juhp: we can still tag things into final for weeks Apr 14 15:46
juhp well more late than bad Apr 14 15:46
juhp ok Apr 14 15:46
juhp rahul_b: did you have a chance to rebuild culmus and ISO8889-2 fonts? Apr 14 15:47
juhp tagoh3 fixed bug 488899 Apr 14 15:47
buggbot Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=488899 medium, low, ---, tagoh, MODIFIED, maybe xim related crash when restarting ibus Apr 14 15:47
juhp paragn: I guess the mr iso-codes won't make f11? Apr 14 15:48
juhp paragn: what about the .engine files? Apr 14 15:49
tagoh3 juhp: as we've talked, I've disabled xim again by default in the last push. Apr 14 15:49
juhp aha Apr 14 15:49
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pravins juhp: paragn can we build iso-codes with patch? Apr 14 15:49
juhp tagoh3: globally? Apr 14 15:49
tagoh3 juhp: yes Apr 14 15:50
paragn juhp, yes mr iso-codes need some more time Apr 14 15:50
paragn juhp, rebuilt m17n-db and m17n-contrib with removal of .engine files Apr 14 15:50
juhp pravins: paragn said caillon only wanted upstream source apparently Apr 14 15:50
pravins since its distorting all lang list of ibus Apr 14 15:50
paragn juhp, need to test this new m17n packages with ibus yet Apr 14 15:50
pravins hmm Apr 14 15:50
juhp paragn: on then please move the bug :) Apr 14 15:50
juhp s/on/ok Apr 14 15:50
paragn juhp, sure will do that Apr 14 15:51
juhp cool Apr 14 15:51
*pravins thinks submitting screenshot on bug will help bit more :) Apr 14 15:52
juhp tagoh3: so you mean f11 imsettings won't worry about xim, right? Apr 14 15:52
juhp pravins: could be good Apr 14 15:52
tagoh3 juhp: unless one explicitly run applet. Apr 14 15:52
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juhp tagoh3: applet allows changing xim backend? Apr 14 15:53
tagoh3 yes. that's one of features applet contains Apr 14 15:53
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juhp tagoh3: but not im-chooser? Apr 14 15:54
juhp rahul_b: ping? Apr 14 15:55
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tagoh3 it's just a frontend application to send a signal to imsettings. gconf-im-settings-daemon takes an action for gtk immodule. applet or imsettings-xim is for xim. Apr 14 15:55
juhp ok just wondering if applet has more feature than im-chooser? Apr 14 15:56
juhp anyways Apr 14 15:56
juhp will try to poke rahul_b later about those rebuilds Apr 14 15:57
juhp ## f11 relnotes Apr 14 16:01
juhp hmm I think this was a headsup that we need to review our relnotes and make sure they are up to date for the final release Apr 14 16:01
juhp pity that ibus didn't get extra attention with the f11beta highlights Apr 14 16:02
juhp so please take some moments to review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_l18n_Beat Apr 14 16:03
tagoh3 ah, moved to new one? Apr 14 16:03
juhp pravins: think we need to add your new ime's :) Apr 14 16:04
juhp tagoh3: part of the wiki namespace cleanup I believe Apr 14 16:04
pravins juhp: yeah, i was thinking same :) Apr 14 16:04
juhp :) Apr 14 16:04
tagoh3 so Docs/Beats/I18n will be removed shortly? Apr 14 16:04
juhp pravins: please go ahead - or I will got to it eventually I guess Apr 14 16:05
juhp tagoh3: it redirects there Apr 14 16:05
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tagoh3 aha Apr 14 16:05
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tagoh3 didn't realized that since url isn't changed. Apr 14 16:06
juhp hmm I would not mind to move the l10n stuff into a separate beat Apr 14 16:06
pravins juhp: will do if after meeting Apr 14 16:06
pravins s/if/it Apr 14 16:06
juhp tagoh3: yeah - maybe it is kind of a feature? aliases? Apr 14 16:06
pravins some more update from collation side also need to update Apr 14 16:07
juhp but yeah can be a little confused - there is a message near the top though Apr 14 16:07
juhp ok Apr 14 16:07
juhp s/confused/confusing Apr 14 16:07
juhp tagoh3: do you want to update anything there on imsettings? Apr 14 16:08
tagoh3 sure Apr 14 16:08
juhp ok Apr 14 16:08
juhp # ibus Apr 14 16:08
juhp * ibus QA test event Apr 14 16:08
juhp we planning a Fedora QA Test Day next month Apr 14 16:08
juhp I think the tentative date is 14 May Apr 14 16:09
juhp let me see if I can dig out the url Apr 14 16:09
juhp https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Days:IBus Apr 14 16:12
juhp ok Apr 14 16:12
juhp that is still a draft and we need some more test cases so would appreciate input on those Apr 14 16:12
juhp specially for imsettings and CIJK test cases Apr 14 16:13
juhp tagoh3, phuang_, paragn, dychen: so guess will need some help from you guys Apr 14 16:14
dychen juhp: Sure Apr 14 16:14
tagoh3 sure Apr 14 16:14
phuang_ ok Apr 14 16:15
juhp thanks Apr 14 16:15
juhp # Discussion Apr 14 16:15
juhp any other things to discuss today? Apr 14 16:15
juhp sorry bit long meeting because of f11 freeze tomorrow Apr 14 16:16
juhp ok if no others topics then let's closed today's fedora-i18n meeting Apr 14 16:18
juhp thanks everyone for joining in :) Apr 14 16:18
pravins thanks juhp Apr 14 16:19
juhp * meeting closed Apr 14 16:19

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