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Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- [Viking-Ice] - updating meeting channel page w/ new QA time
- Updated Meeting_channel
- User:kparal updated future QA meeting wiki QA/Meetings
- [jlaska] - discuss ideas with fedora-infrastructure for getting test candidates out to testers
- [Viking-Ice] - update on Dracut testing considerations (see agenda item below)
Dracut rawhide testing update
Update from viking-ice on Dracut rawhide test considerations raised in previous meeting.
In the news
Alpha test compose
An F12 Alpha test compose is scheduled for delivery this Wednesday, 2009-07-29 (see schedule). Liam Li has invited install testers to contribute results against the upcoming Alpha Candidate.
- See mailing list announcement
- See QA:Fedora_12_Install_Test_Plan
- See QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_Install_Test_Results
Alpha blocker bug day#3
In preparation for this Friday's blocker bug day#3, jlaska asked the group for volunteers to help announce and summarize the event (in accordance with the draft SOP [1]).
Whose got the ball(s)?
AutoQA update
Open discussion
Mass rebuild
Test Day Live image script
QA blogs
<Your topic here>
Upcoming QA events
- 2009-07-28 - BugZappers/Triage_days
- 2009-07-29 - Alpha Test Compose
- 2009-08-03 - QA/Meetings/20090803 at 16:00 UTC
Action items
- <FIXME>
- [jlaska] - file bug against distribution for rawhide pungi problems
IRC transcript
| jlaska | | #startmeeting | Jul 27 12:00 |
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| zodbot | | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 16:00:03 2009 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | Jul 27 12:00 |
| zodbot | | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | Jul 27 12:00 |
| jlaska | | #meetingtopic Fedora QA Meeting | Jul 27 12:00 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:00 | |
| jlaska | | #topic locating bodies | Jul 27 12:00 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: locating bodies (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:00 | |
| adamw | | mine's here | Jul 27 12:00 |
| * | poelcat here | Jul 27 12:00 | |
| jlaska | | Greetings folks! | Jul 27 12:00 |
| -- | Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <- | irc.freenode.net quits: mbonnet, buggbot, muep` | Jul 27 12:00 |
| jlaska | | this is our hot new meeting time | Jul 27 12:00 |
| jlaska | | I suspect we'll have some confusion this week | Jul 27 12:00 |
| adamw | | heh :) | Jul 27 12:00 |
| jlaska | | I'm always confused ... so that's nothing new | Jul 27 12:01 |
| --> | Netsplit Over - Joins: buggbot | Jul 27 12:01 | |
| * | kparal here | Jul 27 12:01 | |
| jlaska | | Howdy kparal | Jul 27 12:01 |
| adamw | | this isn't the AA meeting? | Jul 27 12:01 |
| jlaska | | adamw: oh oops, wrong agenda :) | Jul 27 12:02 |
| jeff_hann | | howdy guys :) | Jul 27 12:02 |
| jlaska | | jeff_hann: greetings! | Jul 27 12:02 |
| * | Viking-Ice clocks in.. | Jul 27 12:02 | |
| * | dpravec is here too | Jul 27 12:02 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: dpravec greetings gents | Jul 27 12:02 |
| * | f13 | Jul 27 12:03 | |
| jlaska | | f13: welcome | Jul 27 12:03 |
| jlaska | | do we have a wwoods lurking? | Jul 27 12:03 |
| --- | mbonnet is now known as mbonnet_ | Jul 27 12:04 | |
| * | skvidal is lurking | Jul 27 12:04 | |
| jlaska | | skvidal: welcome you lurker! | Jul 27 12:04 |
| jlaska | | ;) | Jul 27 12:04 |
| jlaska | | okay ... let's get started | Jul 27 12:04 |
| jlaska | | #topic Follow-up from last week | Jul 27 12:04 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Follow-up from last week (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:04 | |
| jlaska | | for folks using the play-at-home version, the proposed agenda was sent to the list ... https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00529.html | Jul 27 12:05 |
| --- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet | Jul 27 12:05 | |
| --- | mbonnet is now known as mbonnet_ | Jul 27 12:05 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: thanks for knocking off the first time | Jul 27 12:05 |
| jlaska | | # [Viking-Ice] - updating meeting channel page w/ new QA time | Jul 27 12:05 |
| jlaska | | kparal: thanks for the assist with updating the QA/Meetings links too | Jul 27 12:05 |
| kparal | | no problem | Jul 27 12:05 |
| --- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet__ | Jul 27 12:05 | |
| jlaska | | okay, flying through the list ... | Jul 27 12:06 |
| jlaska | | # [jlaska] - discuss ideas with fedora-infrastructure for getting test candidates out to testers | Jul 27 12:06 |
| --- | mbonnet__ is now known as mbonnet_ | Jul 27 12:06 | |
| --- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet | Jul 27 12:06 | |
| jlaska | | spoke to mmcgrath last week about some of the problems experienced in the past on the alt.fp.org system | Jul 27 12:06 |
| jlaska | | he isn't aware of any new problems since a recent system upgrade | Jul 27 12:07 |
| jlaska | | and has set things up to monitor for bottlenecks once the test compose #1 has been posted | Jul 27 12:07 |
| jlaska | | More information is posted in the fedora-infrastructure ticket - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1554#comment:4 | Jul 27 12:07 |
| jlaska | | hopefully if there are problems, we'll hit them this week and we can then work with the infrastructure team on solutions | Jul 27 12:09 |
| jlaska | | okay next up .. Viking-Ice ... I've moved this into an agenda item to give you some time to discuss any concerns | Jul 27 12:09 |
| adamw | | so what's happening exactly? | Jul 27 12:09 |
| adamw | | we're pushing test compose #1 to a publicly accessible site? | Jul 27 12:09 |
| jlaska | | adamw: they've got phazers on stun and are monitoring | Jul 27 12:09 |
| jlaska | | you betcha ... they want to feel the burn before we make any corrective actions | Jul 27 12:09 |
| adamw | | ok. have we decided to what extent we will announce it? | Jul 27 12:10 |
| Viking-Ice | | I thought we were facing bandwith/storage issues not performance? | Jul 27 12:10 |
| jlaska | | adamw: yeah, QA is going forward on plan with allowing testers to contribute | Jul 27 12:10 |
| f13 | | bandwidth issues lead to performance | Jul 27 12:10 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: storage wasn't a concern as I'm told | Jul 27 12:10 |
| adamw | | jlaska: right, but do we announce to test-list only, or wider than that | Jul 27 12:11 |
| jlaska | | and any performance issues were surprises to them | Jul 27 12:11 |
| adamw | | f13: i think viking means how is a 'system upgrade' going to help if the bottleneck was bandwidth | Jul 27 12:11 |
| jlaska | | adamw: ah, let's stick with what we've done before for now ... keeping things equal (fedora-test-list) | Jul 27 12:11 |
| adamw | | OK. | Jul 27 12:11 |
| Viking-Ice | | adamw: nailed it. . | Jul 27 12:11 |
| jlaska | | yeah | Jul 27 12:11 |
| jlaska | | hopefully if it's going to fail ... let's fail now | Jul 27 12:11 |
| jlaska | | and then we can work the problems | Jul 27 12:12 |
| adamw | | OK, just wanted to be clear on the plan. | Jul 27 12:12 |
| jlaska | | adamw: no worries, thanks for asking | Jul 27 12:12 |
| jlaska | | #topic Testing dracut in rawhide | Jul 27 12:13 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Testing dracut in rawhide (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:13 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: it hasn't been a full week since our last meeting, but I wanted to give you some time to talk about any updates you had with Harald | Jul 27 12:13 |
| jlaska | | give you a chance to walk through any topics that need QA attention | Jul 27 12:13 |
| Viking-Ice | | Well no changes in the front here I have not had time to note down and contact harald ( was out in the country the whole weekend which kinda screwed things up ) | Jul 27 12:14 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: ooh, I wish I had the same experience! | Jul 27 12:14 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: no worries, are there any related issues you wanted to talk about today ... or should we revisit offline (or next meeting)? | Jul 27 12:15 |
| Viking-Ice | | In the meantime dracut reach it's 0.7 version with additional several fixes added cmd options etc | Jul 27 12:15 |
| Viking-Ice | | Next meeting I would say.. | Jul 27 12:16 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: okay, I'll keep it on the list | Jul 27 12:16 |
| jlaska | | okay, just a quick note on upcoming events ... | Jul 27 12:17 |
| jlaska | | #topic Alpha test compose | Jul 27 12:17 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Alpha test compose (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:17 | |
| jlaska | | assuming the F12Alpha list is cleared, we can expect a test compose built this Wednesday | Jul 27 12:18 |
| f13 | | I thought we were in good shape for this | Jul 27 12:18 |
| f13 | | except that apparently we haven't been having images for the last couple days | Jul 27 12:18 |
| f13 | | jlaska: we don't need the list clear for a test compose | Jul 27 12:18 |
| f13 | | we just need it clear of any super debilitating issues, like no images (: | Jul 27 12:18 |
| jlaska | | f13: ah my mistake ... we do need those anaconda showstoppers cleared | Jul 27 12:18 |
| * | poelcat was under the (possibly mistaken impression) that we haven't been able to install rawhide for a week or more | Jul 27 12:19 | |
| jlaska | | poelcat: you are correct | Jul 27 12:19 |
| adamw | | no images being generated sounds different from the anaconda showstoppers | Jul 27 12:19 |
| adamw | | although the _fact_ that there's no images being generated recently means we can't be sure if the showstoppers are fixed, i guess | Jul 27 12:19 |
| jlaska | | http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/rawhide-20090727/logs/pungify-i386.log | Jul 27 12:19 |
| f13 | | there was a short period of time where there were images | Jul 27 12:20 |
| f13 | | perhaps even working images | Jul 27 12:20 |
| jlaska | | and during that time we logged a few installation blocker bugs | Jul 27 12:20 |
| f13 | | when the dbus issue got fixed. | Jul 27 12:20 |
| jlaska | | looks like an error in the pungify-i386.log | Jul 27 12:20 |
| jlaska | | f13: should this be bz'd or sent out for investigate to the you and the release engineering team as a trac ticket? | Jul 27 12:21 |
| f13 | | should be a bug on the blocker list | Jul 27 12:21 |
| f13 | | against component, um... distribution for now | Jul 27 12:21 |
| jlaska | | alrighty ... if someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll get it logged after the meeting | Jul 27 12:21 |
| jlaska | | so images and the 2 anaconda blockers are the install test blockers I'm aware of | Jul 27 12:22 |
| kparal | | i have reported 2 bugs in anaconda and still waiting for fresh images to verify the fix | Jul 27 12:22 |
| jlaska | | kparal: are these issues you feel should be Alpha blockers? | Jul 27 12:23 |
| jlaska | | bug#513175 and bug#513383 ? | Jul 27 12:23 |
| buggbot | | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=513175 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, MODIFIED, ImportError: No module named decorator | Jul 27 12:23 |
| buggbot | | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=513383 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, CLOSED RAWHIDE, Detecting devices crashes | Jul 27 12:23 |
| kparal | | thats it | Jul 27 12:23 |
| kparal | | youre fast | Jul 27 12:23 |
| * | jlaska has some handy links | Jul 27 12:23 | |
| kparal | | both should be fixed, just waiting for new images to confirm it | Jul 27 12:25 |
| jlaska | | okay | Jul 27 12:25 |
| kparal | | and probably it happens only on certain machines | Jul 27 12:25 |
| jlaska | | that's all I had for the test compose ... Liam is driving this initiative, so stay tuned to the list for further details (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00523.html) | Jul 27 12:25 |
| adamw | | well, you said you were using virt-manager, right? | Jul 27 12:25 |
| adamw | | that's a common 'machine' :) | Jul 27 12:26 |
| kparal | | yes, virt-manager | Jul 27 12:26 |
| adamw | | i'd consider installs in virt-manager being broken being close to an alpha blocker at least...but we can discuss it at the next review meeting | Jul 27 12:26 |
| jlaska | | heck, I've been treating virt-manager as a reference platform | Jul 27 12:26 |
| * | jlaska agrees | Jul 27 12:26 | |
| wwoods | | yeah, our testing is going to focus on KVM guests | Jul 27 12:26 |
| wwoods | | err, our automated testing is going to ... | Jul 27 12:27 |
| wwoods | | so if that's broken we're back in the dark | Jul 27 12:27 |
| jlaska | | right on | Jul 27 12:27 |
| kparal | | in that case it sounds reasonable to treat them with high priority | Jul 27 12:27 |
| adamw | | should we throw them on the f12alpha list now so we don't forget to talk about them at the meeting? | Jul 27 12:27 |
| dpravec | | i had problems with virt-manager -> so now i am using only kvm :) | Jul 27 12:27 |
| jlaska | | adamw: kparal: yeah definitely ... kparal won't be around for this friday's meeting too, so that's a good dbl check | Jul 27 12:28 |
| adamw | | ok | Jul 27 12:28 |
| kparal | | let's add them then | Jul 27 12:28 |
| adamw | | i'll do it | Jul 27 12:28 |
| kparal | | ok | Jul 27 12:28 |
| jlaska | | thx | Jul 27 12:28 |
| adamw | | done | Jul 27 12:28 |
| jlaska | | any other questions/concerns/thoughts/hicu on Liam's install testing plans coming up this week? | Jul 27 12:28 |
| jlaska | | alrighty ... stay tuned to the list | Jul 27 12:29 |
| jlaska | | now on to a related topic ... | Jul 27 12:29 |
| jlaska | | #topic Alpha blocker bug day#3 | Jul 27 12:29 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Alpha blocker bug day#3 (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:29 | |
| jlaska | | nothing earth shattering here ... just a reminder about bug day #3 this friday | Jul 27 12:30 |
| jlaska | | adamw: wanted to give you a chance to share and things that worked well, or not so well, about the last 2 events? | Jul 27 12:30 |
| jlaska | | s/and/any/ | Jul 27 12:30 |
| adamw | | i think they went fine really | Jul 27 12:30 |
| adamw | | just the usual exhortation for anyone who sees a bug they think might be a blocker: put it on the list :) | Jul 27 12:31 |
| * | poelcat really appreciates the email recaps | Jul 27 12:31 | |
| adamw | | that way you can be sure it'll be evaluated | Jul 27 12:31 |
| jlaska | | I like meetbot :) | Jul 27 12:31 |
| adamw | | or else, come out to the meeting and mention it there | Jul 27 12:31 |
| jlaska | | in keeping with last week, should we identify who has (or wants) the ball(s) for this weeks bug day? | Jul 27 12:32 |
| jlaska | | * send announcements | Jul 27 12:32 |
| jlaska | | * send meeting summary | Jul 27 12:32 |
| jlaska | | | Jul 27 12:32 |
| jlaska | | anyone new interested in trying it out this week? | Jul 27 12:32 |
| * | poelcat will send announcement | Jul 27 12:33 | |
| dpravec | | :) | Jul 27 12:33 |
| jlaska | | poelcat: danke | Jul 27 12:33 |
| jlaska | | points to whomever can come up with some good ascii art to kick off the meeting | Jul 27 12:33 |
| adamw | | i can do the recap | Jul 27 12:34 |
| jlaska | | adamw: thx! | Jul 27 12:34 |
| * | dpravec will try ascii art | Jul 27 12:34 | |
| jlaska | | nice, just keep it clean ;) | Jul 27 12:34 |
| jlaska | | #action poelcat to send blocker bug meeting announce | Jul 27 12:34 |
| jlaska | | #action adamw to summarize blocker meeting | Jul 27 12:35 |
| jlaska | | #action dpravec to try his hand at ascii art for blocker meeting | Jul 27 12:35 |
| * | jlaska still playing w/ meetbot | Jul 27 12:35 | |
| dpravec | | is it for irc, right? | Jul 27 12:35 |
| jlaska | | dpravec: you got it ... take a look at the SOP poelcat wrote ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop | Jul 27 12:35 |
| dpravec | | hmm thats hard to do right :) some people have wrong fonts | Jul 27 12:35 |
| * | poelcat notes sop is in draft status and needs to be finalized at some point | Jul 27 12:36 | |
| jlaska | | okay ... any other points to discuss on the blocker meeting coming up? | Jul 27 12:36 |
| poelcat | | so feel free to use experiences learned thus far to make it better | Jul 27 12:36 |
| * | jlaska isn't exactly sure of a clean consistent way to track the test blockers | Jul 27 12:36 | |
| jlaska | | poelcat: it's 1000x better than the SOP I didn't write :D | Jul 27 12:37 |
| jlaska | | unless any other questions, changing gears shortly ... | Jul 27 12:38 |
| jlaska | | alright, wwoods + dpravec ... I know it hasn't been a long time since our meeting, but if there are any AutoQA topics you'd like to discuss with the team ... we've got some time | Jul 27 12:39 |
| jlaska | | #topic AutoQA update | Jul 27 12:39 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: AutoQA update (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:39 | |
| wwoods | | I'm writing a couple of longer things about this (a blog post and maybe some wiki docs) | Jul 27 12:39 |
| jlaska | | wwoods: awesome! | Jul 27 12:39 |
| wwoods | | but I've got 7/12 tests from the rawhide acceptance plan automated | Jul 27 12:39 |
| dpravec | | last autotest packages have some problems, I posted something at https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/9#comment:32 | Jul 27 12:40 |
| wwoods | | I'm gonna try to rig something up to send out status emails / logs | Jul 27 12:40 |
| Viking-Ice | | Hum cant we automate this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads | Jul 27 12:41 |
| jlaska | | wwoods: I think there support for sending mails built into autotest | Jul 27 12:41 |
| Viking-Ice | | as in the test | Jul 27 12:41 |
| wwoods | | Viking-Ice: probably, yes, but that's outside the scope of israwhidebroken.com | Jul 27 12:41 |
| dpravec | | wwoods: please ping me when your docs will be online | Jul 27 12:41 |
| Viking-Ice | | yup | Jul 27 12:41 |
| wwoods | | hopefully the wiki docs will give a good idea about how to write a test though | Jul 27 12:41 |
| wwoods | | dpravec: will do | Jul 27 12:41 |
| wwoods | | jlaska: oh excellent. I'd like to have some useful public test results between now and when we get a nice web frontend for this stuff | Jul 27 12:42 |
| wwoods | | I'll give that a look | Jul 27 12:42 |
| jlaska | | wwoods: I could be wrong, there is some email support in the global_config.ini packaged by autotest, we might just be able to update that | Jul 27 12:43 |
| wwoods | | yeah, but if all it does is (e.g.) send out links to internal URLs for logs | Jul 27 12:43 |
| wwoods | | then that's not gonna be real useful | Jul 27 12:43 |
| wwoods | | so I'm not yet sure it'll be that simple | Jul 27 12:43 |
| jlaska | | yeah, probably not in the short term | Jul 27 12:43 |
| dpravec | | xmmp reporting might be sweet | Jul 27 12:44 |
| dpravec | | i mean notifications about finished tasks | Jul 27 12:44 |
| dpravec | | xmpp* | Jul 27 12:44 |
| jlaska | | dpravec: thanks for the update on the packaging ... looks like a file went missing from the previous autotest package | Jul 27 12:44 |
| wwoods | | dpravec: yeah, eventually we want to do a big Fedora Infrastructure Message Bus thing, so we get a signal about the completion of a new compose/build/whatever | Jul 27 12:44 |
| wwoods | | and tests get kicked off | Jul 27 12:44 |
| wwoods | | and then signals get sent about the test results | Jul 27 12:44 |
| wwoods | | and so on. we'll get there eventually. | Jul 27 12:44 |
| jlaska | | f13: do you have any cycles left for an autotest packaging update, or is that something dpravec and I should look into? | Jul 27 12:45 |
| f13 | | I'll look at it today | Jul 27 12:46 |
| jlaska | | f13: sweet, thanks for the turn around | Jul 27 12:46 |
| dpravec | | i will test them... | Jul 27 12:46 |
| dpravec | | i mean if you do new packages | Jul 27 12:46 |
| f13 | | nod | Jul 27 12:47 |
| jlaska | | cool, so I think that's it for AutoQA ... are there any other comments/concerns before moving to 'open mic night' ? | Jul 27 12:48 |
| jlaska | | #topic <your topic here> | Jul 27 12:50 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: <your topic here> (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:50 | |
| f13 | | I have a topic, mass rebuild | Jul 27 12:50 |
| jlaska | | #topic open mic - <f13> mass rebuild | Jul 27 12:50 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open mic - <f13> mass rebuild (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 12:50 | |
| jlaska | | f13: you've got the mic | Jul 27 12:50 |
| f13 | | At some point this week, some 8K new builds will be tagged into rawhide | Jul 27 12:50 |
| f13 | | this is new arch (i686), new compression (XZ), new glibc, and new gcc. | Jul 27 12:51 |
| f13 | | should be exciting | Jul 27 12:51 |
| f13 | | we're going to need to look out for issues like this. | Jul 27 12:51 |
| jlaska | | the perfect storm | Jul 27 12:51 |
| wwoods | | there's a bit of a problem right now AFAIK - the rawhide RPM has been rebuilt twice | Jul 27 12:52 |
| wwoods | | so if you don't already have the RPM with xz support | Jul 27 12:52 |
| wwoods | | you can't upgrade | Jul 27 12:52 |
| wwoods | | because all the packages are xz payload now | Jul 27 12:52 |
| f13 | | oh geez | Jul 27 12:52 |
| f13 | | didn't we go through this with the checksums too? | Jul 27 12:52 |
| jlaska | | so this will require some manual jiggery to upgrade to rawhide? | Jul 27 12:52 |
| f13 | | and decided that having rpm itself need new rpm was a bad idea? | Jul 27 12:52 |
| * | f13 would strongly push for rpm itself to be built with the old compression | Jul 27 12:53 | |
| adamw | | at least it's happening before the alpha | Jul 27 12:53 |
| wwoods | | jlaska: well, no - the rpm package in F11 updates-testing is gzip payload with xz support | Jul 27 12:53 |
| wwoods | | and using anaconda to upgrade is no problem, since anaconda will have xz support | Jul 27 12:54 |
| wwoods | | the only place it's a problem is pre-rebuild rawhide -> post-rebuild rawhide | Jul 27 12:54 |
| jlaska | | gotcha | Jul 27 12:55 |
| wwoods | | a simple but ugly hack is to force the f11 package into the rawhide repo | Jul 27 12:55 |
| jlaska | | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads | Jul 27 12:55 |
| jlaska | | wwoods: f13: this may have already been done ... but is this a worthwhile candidate for the rawhide blog? | Jul 27 12:56 |
| f13 | | yes | Jul 27 12:56 |
| wwoods | | yeah. if you force it with --nodeps you'll hose your system (unfortunately krh seems to have found this out the hard way) | Jul 27 12:57 |
| jlaska | | doh! | Jul 27 12:57 |
| jlaska | | okay so http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com ... perhaps we can add that to the Feature page "how to test"? Not sure ... how else can we warn testers | Jul 27 12:57 |
| wwoods | | right now AFAICT (I have no Rawhide systems so I'm guessing) the situation will look like this: you can't upgrade anything because of depsolving problems | Jul 27 12:57 |
| wwoods | | the fix is, I guess, to install the RPM package from F11 updates-testing | Jul 27 12:58 |
| jlaska | | anyone interested in taking that discussion to warren? | Jul 27 12:58 |
| skvidal | | that would more or less be this bug | Jul 27 12:59 |
| skvidal | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5139372 | Jul 27 12:59 |
| buggbot | | Bug 5139372: was not found. | Jul 27 12:59 |
| jlaska | | if no takers, I'll be happy to talk with warren after the meeting and see about testing wwoods idea | Jul 27 12:59 |
| adamw | | i don't see why we can't just do f13's solution and have rpm in rawhide built with gzip compression and xz support, just like the one in f11 | Jul 27 12:59 |
| adamw | | it'd only cost a few kilobytes, surely | Jul 27 12:59 |
| jlaska | | skvidal: is there an extra number in that bz? | Jul 27 12:59 |
| warren | | ? | Jul 27 13:00 |
| f13 | | rpm and any of it's deps I guess | Jul 27 13:00 |
| adamw | | hmm, true | Jul 27 13:00 |
| skvidal | | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513937 | Jul 27 13:00 |
| buggbot | | Bug 513937: medium, low, ---, skvidal, NEW, missing dependencies | Jul 27 13:00 |
| skvidal | | yes the 2 | Jul 27 13:00 |
| adamw | | that's bigger =) | Jul 27 13:00 |
| jlaska | | skvidal: thx | Jul 27 13:00 |
| skvidal | | sorry | Jul 27 13:00 |
| wwoods | | I'm not sure how hard it is to disable xz payloads on a package-by-package basis | Jul 27 13:00 |
| adamw | | well, 'all dependencies' makes it rather tricky anyway | Jul 27 13:00 |
| adamw | | rpm has lots of deps :\ | Jul 27 13:00 |
| jlaska | | so stick with the f11-update 'workaround' for now? | Jul 27 13:01 |
| f13 | | adamw: enough deps that you can do a yum update rpm, yum update | Jul 27 13:01 |
| jlaska | | can someone help with the summary for this? | Jul 27 13:02 |
| adamw | | everybody's screwed? | Jul 27 13:03 |
| jlaska | | heh | Jul 27 13:03 |
| adamw | | that's my standard summary for everything, it's usually quite accurate =) | Jul 27 13:03 |
| wwoods | | people using pre-alpha rawhide might notice that they can't upgrade due to dependency problems with rpm/glibc | Jul 27 13:03 |
| wwoods | | (I don't have example messages, sorry) | Jul 27 13:04 |
| jlaska | | wwoods: no worries ... and we'll recommend installing the f11-updates rpm to work around the issue for now? | Jul 27 13:04 |
| wwoods | | it's because of the xz feature (link, brief explanation) - install f11 updates-testing rpm thusly as a workaround: [commandline] | Jul 27 13:04 |
| wwoods | | yeah, that seems to be the recommended fix | Jul 27 13:04 |
| jlaska | | okay, Ican take that | Jul 27 13:05 |
| jlaska | | #action jlaska - talk to warren about a rawhidewatch post on rpm xz workaround for rawhide testers | Jul 27 13:05 |
| jlaska | | okay folks ... if not other topics, let's close things out for the day | Jul 27 13:06 |
| jlaska | | s/not/no/ | Jul 27 13:06 |
| * | jlaska likes extra letters | Jul 27 13:06 | |
| kparal | | well maybe the livecd issue? | Jul 27 13:06 |
| Viking-Ice | | So is rawhidewatch @ wordpress supposed to be our official blog | Jul 27 13:06 |
| Viking-Ice | | ? | Jul 27 13:06 |
| jlaska | | #topic open mic - livecd issue | Jul 27 13:06 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open mic - livecd issue (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 13:06 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: official? Hrmm, I guess it's the first thing that came to mind that would get the work out | Jul 27 13:07 |
| adamw | | Viking-Ice: it's a place to report important issues with rawhide that require user intervention | Jul 27 13:07 |
| adamw | | much like this one :) | Jul 27 13:07 |
| warren | | rawhidewatch isn't very active right now because I'm not using rawhide yet, it doesn't work on my laptop at all | Jul 27 13:07 |
| Viking-Ice | | I see so we can close the ticked in infra for official QA blog | Jul 27 13:07 |
| adamw | | no, because that's not what it is | Jul 27 13:07 |
| adamw | | qa covers more than just issues in rawhide which require user intervention | Jul 27 13:07 |
| adamw | | we wouldn't post about, oh, test days on rawhidewatch | Jul 27 13:08 |
| warren | | yup | Jul 27 13:08 |
| warren | | exactly | Jul 27 13:08 |
| Viking-Ice | | no then let's get a move on getting a fedora-qa wp instance from infra | Jul 27 13:08 |
| kparal | | livecd issue: the current guide on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image is I believe not correct, because it uses F11 repos instead of Rawhide repos. you can see that if you follow the includes in the kickstart file. | Jul 27 13:08 |
| Viking-Ice | | were we can have rawhide status etc | Jul 27 13:08 |
| kparal | | sorry, will wait | Jul 27 13:09 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: hmm, maybe something to consider in the future ... it's a neat idea. But someone would need to investigate further and come back with recommendation/plan | Jul 27 13:10 |
| adamw | | kparal: i believe you have the floor | Jul 27 13:10 |
| kparal | | it's just a short note. those people building live images according to that script are in fact building images based on F11. Therefore I'm working on a best way how to modify it so that it is based on Rawhide | Jul 27 13:10 |
| kparal | | if that's what's wanted for a test day | Jul 27 13:11 |
| jlaska | | kparal: indeed, thanks! You caught me cheating in that script ... I often point to a local spins-kickstart.git repo when building test images | Jul 27 13:11 |
| kparal | | :) | Jul 27 13:11 |
| Viking-Ice | | jlaska: investigate what further | Jul 27 13:11 |
| kparal | | and there are jlaska and awilliam extra repositories which i don't know if they are still needed | Jul 27 13:12 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: let's wait until kparal's finished, and we'll move to your topic | Jul 27 13:12 |
| jlaska | | kparal: I usually toss extra packages not yet in koji on the repo url posted | Jul 27 13:13 |
| jlaska | | and adamw includes rendercheck there as well for the X testing events | Jul 27 13:13 |
| adamw | | kparal: nothing in my repos is needed for anything in f12. | Jul 27 13:13 |
| adamw | | well, except rendercheck. =) i should update that build. | Jul 27 13:13 |
| jlaska | | kparal: if we need to gut that page to make things clearer, feel free to give it a once over :) | Jul 27 13:13 |
| kparal | | ok. it was just a note. | Jul 27 13:14 |
| kparal | | releasing the mic :) | Jul 27 13:14 |
| dpravec | | i want to thank you all for moving the meeting time from wensday (in that day i need to take care of my kids, so it was hard to pay attention to the channel) | Jul 27 13:14 |
| jlaska | | heh ... releasing | Jul 27 13:14 |
| --- | stickster is now known as stickster_mtg | Jul 27 13:14 | |
| jlaska | | dpravec: you're welcome, glad this works better! | Jul 27 13:14 |
| jlaska | | #topic open mic - qa blogs | Jul 27 13:14 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open mic - qa blogs (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 13:14 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: you mentioned a request to host qa blogs | Jul 27 13:14 |
| Viking-Ice | | Yes trying to track down the ticket in infera | Jul 27 13:15 |
| Viking-Ice | | in infra I mean | Jul 27 13:15 |
| Viking-Ice | | it's been there since what f9 I think with no movement | Jul 27 13:15 |
| jlaska | | is this something people see a need for now? | Jul 27 13:15 |
| Viking-Ice | | Ok how are we delivering various need to know info to people? | Jul 27 13:16 |
| Viking-Ice | | by mind power ? | Jul 27 13:16 |
| jlaska | | basically through every channel possible right now | Jul 27 13:16 |
| jlaska | | mailing list(s), fedora planet, fedora forums etc... | Jul 27 13:16 |
| adamw | | jlaska, wwoods and I have our personal blogs on planet fedora | Jul 27 13:16 |
| adamw | | and we blog about significant qa events | Jul 27 13:17 |
| adamw | | so they get out via that method | Jul 27 13:17 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: you don't even blog do you? | Jul 27 13:17 |
| jlaska | | ;) | Jul 27 13:17 |
| adamw | | i'm not sure whether a qa team blog would get significantly more exposure...it might, but i'm not sure how to tell | Jul 27 13:17 |
| Viking-Ice | | I dont blog | Jul 27 13:17 |
| Viking-Ice | | well microblog perhaps | Jul 27 13:17 |
| adamw | | btw, for anyone who doesn't know, anyone can get their blog on planet fedora | Jul 27 13:17 |
| jlaska | | I know other open source projects have team blog aggregators | Jul 27 13:17 |
| adamw | | there's a wiki page with instructions | Jul 27 13:17 |
| * | dpravec needs to go today, see you all later | Jul 27 13:18 | |
| Viking-Ice | | We should have official blog | Jul 27 13:18 |
| jlaska | | dpravec: take care | Jul 27 13:18 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: I like the idea of organizing the blogs of testers, but I'm not ready to put lots of time+effort into a team blog just yet | Jul 27 13:18 |
| Viking-Ice | | instead of spreading the need to know info on various ( private blogs ) places on the internet | Jul 27 13:18 |
| adamw | | a qa 'planet' might be a better idea | Jul 27 13:19 |
| jlaska | | is there a way to aggregate the blogs ... right | Jul 27 13:19 |
| jlaska | | that are already being posted? | Jul 27 13:19 |
| adamw | | in my experience, team blogs often get neglected because no-one really takes responsibility for it | Jul 27 13:19 |
| jlaska | | yeah I agree | Jul 27 13:19 |
| jlaska | | but if we can continue doing what we already do ... and it's aggregated somewhere ... that seems like an easy win | Jul 27 13:19 |
| adamw | | so if we could set up an aggregator and aggregate posts from qa team members, that might work best | Jul 27 13:20 |
| Viking-Ice | | adamw: that just reflect poor management of those team | Jul 27 13:20 |
| adamw | | Viking-Ice: true, but it's hard to push water uphill - always best to look for the path of least resistance (sorry for the management cliches :>) | Jul 27 13:20 |
| jlaska | | hrmm, I guess that's one way of looking at it :) | Jul 27 13:20 |
| f13 | | I think aggregation is the best way to do "team blogs" | Jul 27 13:20 |
| adamw | | the only downside of aggregation is we may get quite a lot of duplication | Jul 27 13:20 |
| adamw | | five posts about the same event for e.g. | Jul 27 13:20 |
| jlaska | | well, that at least agets the word out :) | Jul 27 13:21 |
| f13 | | like we don't already get that on planet fedora? | Jul 27 13:21 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: does this help provide focus for your existing infrastructure ticket? | Jul 27 13:21 |
| adamw | | f13: yes, we do - that doesn't mean it's not a drawback. :) | Jul 27 13:21 |
| Viking-Ice | | team aggregation is not a solutions | Jul 27 13:22 |
| Viking-Ice | | a solution from my perspective+ | Jul 27 13:22 |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: it's a solution that has the support of the team | Jul 27 13:22 |
| * | kparal thinks blogs aggregation can't hurt | Jul 27 13:23 | |
| jlaska | | Viking-Ice: do you want to update the existing ticket ... or is someone else interested in driving this with the infrastructure team? | Jul 27 13:24 |
| Viking-Ice | | then go ahead with it and close bug 489801 | Jul 27 13:24 |
| buggbot | | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=489801 medium, low, ---, notting, NEW, [RFE] rss reader + notification bubble | Jul 27 13:24 |
| jlaska | | hmm, I'm not planning to close any bugs | Jul 27 13:25 |
| jlaska | | okay, it'll be an open action item for anyone interested | Jul 27 13:25 |
| jlaska | | #action - fedora QA planet aggregated blogs? | Jul 27 13:25 |
| jlaska | | okay gang ... let's close it out | Jul 27 13:25 |
| jlaska | | #topic closing for business | Jul 27 13:25 |
| --- | zodbot has changed the topic to: closing for business (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting) | Jul 27 13:25 | |
| jlaska | | thanks for your time everyone :) | Jul 27 13:26 |
| jlaska | | #endmeeting | Jul 27 13:26 |
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| zodbot | | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 17:26:35 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . | Jul 27 13:26 |
| zodbot | | Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-27/fedora-meeting.2009-07-27-16.00.html | Jul 27 13:26 |
| zodbot | | Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-27/fedora-meeting.2009-07-27-16.00.txt | Jul 27 13:26 |
| zodbot | | Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-27/fedora-meeting.2009-07-27-16.00.log.html | Jul 27 13:26 |
| jlaska | | I'll follow-up to the list later this afternoon with some minutes | Jul 27 13:26 |
| f13 | | cheers. | Jul 27 13:28 |
| * | kparal goes home, bye | Jul 27 13:29 | |
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